Has the DC Rebirth hypetrain slowed down? Cause, from all indications,

It started strong but so far nothing rebirthy has really happened to my knowledge

>>88394155
From what it was? Absolutely.
A lot of the books people were really hyped for (Batman, Titans, Teen Titans) turned out to be mediocre, none of the big plotlines from Rebirth #1 have been followed up on, and a lot of people are disappointed that there aren't more "experimental" or unconventional titles like in the early New 52. Plus, there's generally a growing realization that most of the books are decent-to-good rather than fantastic like they were bigged up as.
It's still GOOD, don't get me wrong - best thing to happen to DC in years, and the line is so much stronger than what Marvel's putting out - but it's not the mega-hypetrain thing that it was before.

>>88394155
It's slowed down from the beginning, yes. All we're left with now are good, entertaining comics.

>>88394155
Yes, absolutely. DC's genre-defining masterpieces haven't slowed down and in fact have only stepped up their pace in how based they are. Tomasi's Superman is arguably the greatest Superman run of the modern era and it's only the tip of the iceberg.

Don't let the marlel shills and mouseketeers fool you, Rebirth is lighting up the sales charts with no signs of slowing down. Rebirth is the new gold standard by which every other comic should aspire to. Although without having access to DC's pool of top-tier talent or their best-in-class editors, it's unlikely anyone else will come even remotely close to having such an all around fantastic line of comics. Maybe ever!

We're at a point where the worst Rebirth book is better than Marvel's best book. It's pretty pathetic.

>>88394155
Most of the books are mediocre so yes

As someone unable to keep up with DC's changeups, what exactly was Rebirth in a nutshell?

I rememeber hearing it defined as undoing the New 52 and Flashpoint changes, but I don't know if that's legit

>>88394278
for whom are you speaking? that sounds more like your own opinion.

>>88395038
Same continuity as New 52, but ditching some things that didn't work (ex: Nubo, etc.) while bringing in some classic elements people missed (ex: Classic Superman, Wally West, etc.). Basically a best of both worlds approach. Their mainline superhero books became bread-and-butter superheroics like people wanted. Niche titles that generally don't sell were moved to imprints and mini-series, which have much lower sales thresholds.

>>88394155
Havent been paying attention, i saw that they brought white wally west back. Are they just going back to their old universe?

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Basically all the rebirth books outside of batman fell out of the new 52 and the quality of some flagship books are questionable(batman,teen titans,JL),but in terms of storytelling dc is still at there a game with clear goals in mind and competent writers.Did the hype train slow down?Yes but it was still a publishing and still is a editorial magement success.

>>88395562
Typo meant to say fell out of the top 10*

>>88394155
Rebirth is overrated

>>88395252
It's a general aggregation of the views I've seen. Obviously everyone's going to have their own take, but that seems like the most accurate summary of the general mood, to me.

>>88396760

So is your mom, but you don't hear me complaining

>>88394155
It's the Afterbirth of the New52 with none of the positives the latter had. DC is dead.

>>88396832
My mom is died you sick son of a bitch

>>88394278
>and a lot of people are disappointed that there aren't more "experimental" or unconventional titles like in the early New 52.

Seriously? Because there didn't seem like that many in the early New 52. I just remembered a people bitching that the New 52 seemed so 90's.

>>88394155
It varies. People on here try to claim that Rebirth is doing worse than New 52 but they convieniently forget to mention that during the New 52, Snyder and Capullo were working on Batman, Grant Morrison was writing Action Comics, and Geoff Johns was working on Justice League, Aquaman, and Green Lantern. Morrison's busy at Heavy Metal and Johns is busy overseeing the DC films so he can't write a title yet.

So eliminating the Johns-titles, the Morrison-titles and the Snyder/Capullo Batman, here's some comparisons.

New 52 Superman:

09/2011: Superman #1 -- 131,529 (+266.2%) [150,128]
10/2011: Superman #2 -- 104,703 (- 20.4%)
11/2011: Superman #3 -- 86,386 (- 17.5%)
12/2011: Superman #4 -- 76,532 (- 11.4%)
01/2012: Superman #5 -- 73,719 (- 3.7%)
02/2012: Superman #6 -- 69,633 (- 5.5%)
03/2012: Superman #7 -- 66,588 (- 4.4%)
04/2012: Superman #8 -- 64,486 (- 3.2%)
05/2012: Superman #9 -- 62,232 (- 3.5%)
06/2012: Superman #10 -- 59,081 (- 5.1%)

And Rebirth Superman's sales:

06/2016: Rebirth #1 -- 130,277 (+115.7%) [138,031]
06/2016: Superman #1 -- 115,918 (- 4.3%) [132,050]
07/2016: Superman #2 -- 112,148 (- 15.1%)
07/2016: Superman #3 -- 107,367 (- 4.3%)
08/2016: Superman #4 -- 96,969 (- 9.7%)
08/2016: Superman #5 -- 89,473 (- 7.7%)
09/2016: Superman #6 -- 76,124 (- 14.9%)
09/2016: Superman #7 -- 72,867 (- 4.3%)
10/2016: Superman #8 -- 69,905 (- 4.1%)
10/2016: Superman #9 -- 67,321 (- 3.7%)
11/2016: Superman #10 -- 66,956
11/2016: Superman #11 -- 63,686

>>88397753

New 52 Flash:

09/2011: Flash #1 -- 129,260 (+135.4%) [147,818]
10/2011: Flash #2 -- 114,137 (- 11.7%)
11/2011: Flash #3 -- 90,417 (- 20.8%)
12/2011: Flash #4 -- 77,336 (- 14.5%)
01/2012: Flash #5 -- 71,611 (- 7.4%)
02/2012: Flash #6 -- 68,061 (- 5.0%)
03/2012: Flash #7 -- 64,975 (- 4.5%)
04/2012: Flash #8 -- 63,702 (- 2.0%)
05/2012: Flash #9 -- 62,807 (- 1.4%)
06/2012: Flash #10 -- 55,681 (- 11.4%)

Rebirth Flash:

06/2016: Rebirth #1 -- 98,580 (+275.0%) [123,115]
06/2016: Flash #1 -- 110,431 (+ 2.7%) [126,429]
07/2016: Flash #2 -- 113,639 (- 10.1%)
07/2016: Flash #3 -- 107,067 (- 5.8%)
08/2016: Flash #4 -- 102,208 (- 4.5%)
08/2016: Flash #5 -- 91,830 (- 10.2%)
09/2016: Flash #6 -- 82,930 (- 9.7%)
09/2016: Flash #7 -- 78,057 (- 5.9%)
10/2016: Flash #8 -- 76,749 (- 1.7%)
10/2016: Flash #9 -- 74,311 (- 3.2%)
11/2016: Flash #10 -- 70,681
11/2016: Flash #11 -- 68,304

>>88394155
Still doing amazing sales wise with back issues of Batman taking the #2 spot, which is not common at all. The only issue is Marvel is giving away thousands of free copies of books and calling them sales.

>>88397789

New 52 Wonder Woman:

09/2011: Wonder Woman #1 -- 76,214 (+160.8%) [95,902]
10/2011: Wonder Woman #2 -- 79,060 (+ 3.7%)
11/2011: Wonder Woman #3 -- 65,621 (- 17.0%)
12/2011: Wonder Woman #4 -- 57,675 (- 12.1%)
01/2012: Wonder Woman #5 -- 57,626 (- 0.1%)
02/2012: Wonder Woman #6 -- 54,190 (- 6.0%)
03/2012: Wonder Woman #7 -- 51,314 (- 5.3%)
04/2012: Wonder Woman #8 -- 50,450 (- 1.7%)
05/2012: Wonder Woman #9 -- 48,750 (- 3.4%)
06/2012: Wonder Woman #10 -- 47,229 (- 3.1%)
07/2012: Wonder Woman #11 -- 45,669 (- 3.3%)

Rebirth Wonder Woman:

06/2016: Rebirth #1 -- 103,904 (+316.6%) [123,624]
06/2016: Wonder Woman #1 -- 118,511 (+ 5.5%) [130,381]
07/2016: Wonder Woman #2 -- 114,135 (- 12.5%)
07/2016: Wonder Woman #3 -- 103,912 (- 9.0%)
08/2016: Wonder Woman #4 -- 93,862 (- 9.7%)
08/2016: Wonder Woman #5 -- 85,646 (- 8.8%)
09/2016: Wonder Woman #6 -- 74,856 (- 12.6%)
09/2016: Wonder Woman #7 -- 70,118 (- 6.3%)
10/2016: Wonder Woman #8 -- 66,405 (- 5.3%)
10/2016: Wonder Woman #9 -- 64,555 (- 2.8%)
11/2016: Wonder Woman #10 -- 60,815
11/2016: Wonder Woman #11 -- 58,692

>>88397574

Then they've got fucked up memories. Off the top of my head, the launch titles included: Men of War, OMAC, Frankenstein: Agent of SHADE, Animal Man, Demon Knights, Stormwatch, All Star Western, Swamp Thing and I, Vampire. Of those, the only mediocre titles were Men of War and Stormwatch while the rest were good to excellent.

I'm enjoying Rebirth, and I'm fairly satisfied with the meat and potatoes that we're getting as a result of it, but I'm looking forward to DC going back to taking risks again.

>>88397961
Isn't that what Young Animal is for?

>>88398007
Pretty much. And all those titles are great.

>>88397961
Don't forget Dial H.

>>88397961
>I'm enjoying Rebirth, and I'm fairly satisfied with the meat and potatoes that we're getting as a result of it, but I'm looking forward to DC going back to taking risks again.

That's what mini-series and imprints like Young Animal and Wildstorm are for. It's smart to do it this way. Your main line are meat-and-potatoes books, which is what sells and what people want from those titles. Then you have risky stuff that you don't expect to sell well but are putting out for variety or artistic reasons as mini-series, which have a limited run anyway, or an imprint, which has much smaller sales expectancies. Putting niche stuff as main title books is what fucked over DCYou and is currently fucking over Marvel NOW.

>>88394278

I like Teen Titans.

And Batman is... well, it has heart. And it has psycho pirate.

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>>88394326
>Rebirth is lighting up the sales charts with no signs of slowing down
Look man, I love DC and always have. But were you not here in 2011? This is exactly how the first two years of the Nu52 was. The Nu52 had even more excitement behind it. It was great for awhile, and then it got stale. I don't see why people are acting like this is any different.

>>88394155
It's all falling apart, even Batman is losing 5000 readers with every new issue.

They killed themselves

>>88397789
>Rebirth Flash is selling better despite being way worse
wew

>>88397800
>back issues of Batman taking the #2 spot
Do you not know the concept of double-shipping? Which you would know about if you've read even a single DC comic since almost all of them are double-shipping?

Let me guess. You don't actually read comics and are just here for the shitposting and console-warring.

>>88397961
Don't forget Blackhawks which died equally as fast as Men of War.

>>88398007
It's only 4 titles

>>88399841
The minis and Wildstorm are not experimental.

>>88395038
>As someone unable to keep up with DC's changeups,

It's not that hard. New 52 was the same continuity as per-Flashpoint but somebody fucked with the timeline and made people forget it.

>>88399888
You don't remember N52. People were pissed off because it jettisoned all previous DC history. Rebirth is the opposite.

>>88400824
By opposite you mean a direct continuation of the dumpster fire that is the New 52?

Is Dr Manhattan in it already?

>>88401738
They've said the story would be wrapped up in two years, why would they put doctor Manhattan in it 6 months in.

>>88401830
I dunno, they are almost putting Darkseid in their movies already despite his being the closest thing to the final boss the DC universe has.

>>88394278
>none of the big plotlines from Rebirth #1 have been followed up on
Thats simply not true, we've seen them continue in Detective, Titans, Flash, Superman, and now even Harley Quinn.
> and a lot of people are disappointed that there aren't more "experimental" or unconventional titles like in the early New 52
New Super-Man? Super Sons? The entire Young Animal line? All the Hanna-Barbara comics?

>>88394326
>Tomasi's Superman is arguably the greatest Superman run of the modern era and it's only the tip of the iceberg.

Well thats simply not true

>>88401738

Justice League v Suicide Squad is where the next "chapter" of Rebirth stuff is gonna happen

>>88401936
Stop responding to bait

>>88394326
>Tomasi's Superman is arguably the greatest Superman run of the modern era and it's only the tip of the iceberg.
>Rebirth is lighting up the sales charts with no signs of slowing down
Anon, these are just factually untrue.

>>88401905
Those have been mere mentions of the supposed return of the old DC universe and don't qualify as "following up". And none of those titles compare to the diversity of the New 52.

>>88402075
It's bait, dumbshit.

>>88394278
Titans was practically unadvertised. It's actually doing well.

Teen Titans on the other hand...

>>88400305
I fucking love Flash and I wouldn't touch Rebirth's with a 10 foot pole.

Yes it has slowed down. Numbers look no different to the new 52 . All they have is double shipping and really they are only 6 mths in...new 52 had 5 yrs. DC should be doing better in such a relaunch.

It has.
However, Wave 2 starts soon. And Super Sons with it.

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Getting that holiday special tomorrow. Hopefully batman annual and superman annual if they still have it at my comic store

Ive been out of the loop for a bit. Can someone tell me what is wrong with the current JL run?

>>88397753
>>88397789
>>88397863
For context, it's worth noting all the Rebirth books are only $2.99

>>88405542

bland and boring.

>>88405542
characterfags are mad superman isn't in it full time yet

>>88400328
Why would they order more copies of something than if they dont need it? I do read comics autist but I go to the store and buy them one issue of a time if at all. I've been reading comics longer than you could read son.

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It's over.

Marvel wins again.

>>88394155
Besides Justice League everything is pretty fucking fantastic so far. But Jesus is Justice League fucking bad.

>>88396832
>your mom response
your average Rebirth reader, everybody

>>88403846
>I fucking love Flash
No you don't. Stop false flagging.

>>88405661
Also, they're mostly biweekly as well.

>>88394278
Teen Titans is good bitch

>>88405542
One example.

Last issue a 13 year old girl made a hacking program that her 8 year old brother accidentally used to hack the Batcave, Cyborg and Green Lanterns ring.

>>88404563
>All they have is double shipping and really they are only 6 mths

Except that does affect things. An issue #10 isn't going to have the same sales as a #6.

>>88401905
Name one thing they've followed up on in Titans from Rebirth. And I mean the real Rebirth storyline, not Wally's personal shit.

>>88408991
What the fuck. Surely that's an embellishment

>>88410123

Mmm...no. That's pretty damn accurate.

>>88400305
It was a new #1 for show fags to start at.

>>88397425
? It has tons of the positives! Most of the writers are artists who stuck around in the n52 are still there, some of them doing worse (Snyder), some better (Lobdell, reportedly), some keeping on (Seeley, Tynion, Tomasi, Jurgens), and some old talent bringing it back (Rucka, Jimenez), not to mention really highlighting the artistic pool DC has developed (Shalvey, Martinez, Luppaccino, To, Janin, Sharpe, Scott, Evely, Antonio).

>>88400824
Yup. I really feel like people were ready for a relaunch, especially one that was bringing back things people missed for five years.

>>88401061
No, it continued the continuity, but not the direction.

So since Rebirth is relatively well received, what does /co/ think are some of the biggest casualties of it? Supergirl is at the top of my list

>>88410303

>Snyder

What? All Star Batman is better than his run on the main book. It's fun, original and has a great sense of energy. Not to mention that it doesn't take itself seriously.

>>88410388
Eh. I'm really not enjoying it. The main story's time jumps serve only to distract from the faux dramatic OOC "betrayals" or "reveals" that won't really be anything of the kind, the dialogue is ill-conceived in many parts ("Batman doesn't need Robin"? Really, Snyder?), and the back up is thematically vague, hinting at really awesome ideas in the training through the color wheel, but leaving everything completely unexplored except for lazy references to "black" as evil and everyone's costume colors are their thing.

>>88410368
>Let's make it more like the show!
The fuck were you thinking, Orlando?

I'd say Batwoman got fucked over pretty bad.

>>88410426
Most Batwoman fans don't think so. And she's getting her solo back, so sales don't think so either...(though I'm deeply suspicious of her writer).

>>88410368
Supergirl for me also.
I loved her pre rebirth run, and Orlando is just shitting the bed.

>>88399787
That was second wave

>>88410454
You say that like Detective Comics selling well has anything to do with her.

She's lost everything unique to her.

Her supporting characters are gone or ruined, her status as an actual loner incapable of keeping people close is gone, and her focus on the supernatural is nowhere to be found.
She really is just Lesbian Batman now.

At least the new solo is unfucking her out-of-costume design, but you just know Bennett is going to be truly terrible.

Oh, and Helena Bertinelli got screwed by Rebirth.
Dick too, but not as badly.

>>88410529
Well, I talk regularly to someone who loves Kate Kane like there's no tomorrow, and they constantly gush about how specifically they love her in Tec.

I don't see how Rebirth screwed Helena more than n52 did. At least now she's a main character, instead of a supporting.

>>88410529
>her focus on the supernatural is nowhere to be found.
She never really had one.

>>88410569
Main character in a terrible book rather than supporting in a good one.

And I have to wonder if your buddy will enjoy anything with the character so long as it's readable.

>>88410598
She fought weird, supernatural shit almost exclusively.

>>88410615
If by supernatural you mean Darkseid followers.

>>88410615
Tec is good though

>>88410368
Wonder Woman is moving at a fucking snails pace. And Diana is just so.... childlike?

>>88410615
>She fought weird, supernatural shit almost exclusively.
Her like only story was fighting the intergang and Apokalypse cult to tie into 52 and Morrisons Bat epic and Final Crisis.

>>88394155
Rebirth is slowly approaching in my country too, what book should I read?
I'm pullling off Batman, Green Lantern and Superman right now. What else should I buy?

>>88410708
And then I see retards saying it's the best WW run in forever

Plebs ruin everything

>>88400824
Yeah, the opposite... fucking the entire timeline instead of wiping it