>2006 >X-Men 3, Superman Returns >2007 >Spider-Man

>>88355602
Sadly.

>>88355602
Iron Man was horrible though?

>>88355602
not single-handedly but yeah it happened with Blade and X-men in the late nineties Burton's Batman in the eighties and so on

oh wait I forgot the other movie is overrated and people only liked it because an actor died

>>88355602
Obviously.

>>88355602
not single handedly, but he was a major contributor

>>88355890
Why do people keep saying people liked it because the actor died? I don't hear that many people bring up the fact that he died unless it's a descending opinion at this point. Hate it all you want, but op is referring to residual effect the film can have

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>>88355602
goddamn why does the cgi in Iron Man 1 look better than some of their films now

only related webm I have but some parts in CW were the same

>>88355602

It was *a* saving but not the only one.

Superhero movies were dead for 3 years after Batman & Robin killed the genre, and it wasn't in too healthy of a state before then as only Batman movies were getting made going back to 1989's first Burton batman film.

Then, The Matrix happened. 1999 and Hollywood got one clear message from that movie, put everyone in leather outfits. We got Charlies Angels and we got... the first X-Men movie in all its leather splendor. X-Men launched the modern superhero movie era with Hollywood once again interested in giving this niche genre a try. Just look at all the post-Xmen superhero movies and look at the barren wasteland of superhero movies before it. So thanks Singer, and thanks leather fetishism!

Iron Man is the true start of the modern *Marvel* movie era but in all fairness it was riding a rising tide that lifted all boats.

We'll get another crash eventually. For whatever reason it seems that the moviegoing audience is ok with the muddled messes that DC is bringing to screen so it'll take something *worse* than BvS to crash the industry. My guess is it'll be some ultra-hyped AAA title that cheaps out on special effects, a studio starts assuming that simply slapping a superhero name on a vacant product will sell. It could be Infinity War, it could be Justice League, but IMO it'd need to be a huge project like that falling flat on its face.

Just remember, Batman & Robin made a quarter-billion dollars in '97 when that was big money and it still killed the genre for years, it could be financially successful but something the audience almost universally walks away from going "well that was just awful"

>>88355602
TONY OF MURDER

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>>88356202

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>yfw Iron Man will never be this based again thanks to Disney toothless direction
its not fair bros

>>88355602
No, all of films you listed got warm response from audience. Iron Man only truly kickstarted Marvel Studios.

>>88356143
because they make money

they could replace all the cgi with cardboard cutouts moving on popsicle sticks and it would still make over a billion

>>88355602
You're forgetting Batman Begins from 2005 you tard

That was way more influential

>>88355602

Iron Man and Raimi's Spider-Man 2 are the only two cape movies I'd call perfect.

>>88356202
while i wont condone murder

iron man was never known for a no-killing rule, and the movies all show across all movies that he has been in, that while he is willing to kill people actively shooting him, he also goes out of his way to non-harmfully subdue people

so we end up with a hero who "kills, but only sometimes"

>>88356262
No
>>88356263
No
>>88356278
No
>>88356285
Why?

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>>88356278
when people saw The Dark Knight in theaters most didn't even know it was a sequel

>>88356313
I was just memeing lad.

>>88355602
>Before
>Blade, Spider-Man 2, X-Men Films, Burton Films, Nolan Trilogy (last movie that made critics consider the possibility that cape films could be regarded as art)

>After
>All Cookie Cutter Quip Flicks and Action Comedies

Iron Man was good but its legacy killed the genre.

>>88356313
Did he killed anyone in IronMan TAS or I'm comics?

>>88356385
>Trilogy
The latter part didn't even come out for years after IM

>>88356327
Yes. Ask any normie what he thinks about Spider-Man 3 and Iron Man 1, I guarantee he will answer "yeah, kool movies, I like superheroes".
Wake up.

>>88355602
No you see there was this one other superhero movie which came out and made > 1 billion in the same year

For some reason /co/ hates admitting it exists

>>88356399
occasionally, but he never fell off the slippery slope

>>88356385
>Quip
There's that buzzword again

>>88356530
for some reason it trigger people here

>>88356530
Is it wrong?

>>88356327
yes you people will gladly eat shit as long as you like the logo that comes before it

>>88356143
>goddamn why does the cgi in Iron Man 1 look better than some of their films now
Ike the Kike and Robert Dowhere.

Honestly?
Yes. Iron Man 1 was absolutely the turning point for cinema in respects to superhero and overall, it's totally changed the entire fucking scene with blockbusters and the like.

>>88356385
Didn't all the Rami films all follow a similar beats?

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>>88355602
how could this board of all boards have forgotten this film?

>>88355602
What's so funny is that when Iron Man came out, I was saying "Man, they are running out of characters"

>>88356143
Because they have to pay RDJ half the budget now.

>>88359209
Because it takes itself seriously and true fans only want self aware comedies :^)

>>88355602
Who, Jon Favreau? Yeah probably in addition to >>88359209

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Yes. Though I wonder if it should've

>>88359415
I remember distinctly The Dark Knight being a more popular film than Iron Man that year. It is unquestionably the film that made people take this genre seriously again.

Iron Man may have started a franchise, and it may have ushered in our current era of superhero films. But as to what "saved" the genre, as to what made these films popular in both the highest and lowest brows of society again, it was The Dark Knight.

>>88355890
Dark Knight was miles better than Dark Knight Rises, even if Ledger hadn't died, it still would be the better of the two.

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>>88359209
Reminder that TDK is the apex of the DC comic book movie, and that none of their other films have sold as many tickets since.
Nor are they honestly likely surpass in moving forward.

>>88359619
I was being sarcastic. The Dark Knight is an infinitely better film than anything that's come after it in this shitty genre. Iron Man just started the horrible trend of origin films and the safe, bland CGI shitfests that plague all modern blockbusters.

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>>88359673
TDK beat TDKR in unadjusted ticket sales, and by 100 millon adjusted. Batman 89 sold more tickets than TDKR.
Batman vs Superman literally sold half as many tickets domestically as TDK.

>>88359673
Reminder that after a dozen movies the MCU hasn't cracked a billion without RDJ starring in the movie. He's literally their only money maker, which is why they keep paying him to stick around.

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>>88355602

>>88359708
TDK is just a sequel to an origin film, Anon.

When you say Iron Man started the trend in origin films you sound like a retard.

>>88359776
Batman Begins wasn't very popular when it came out. It got good reviews, but no one went to see it.

>>88359750
Cool company wars?

>>88359825
>implying I started the company wars

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>>88359750
Yeah, they need RDJR to break into the 1.2 billion dollar range.
On the other side, anymore it takes The Bat to get past half of that.
Or was getting outgrossed every year part of your plan?

>>88356399
He got the entirety of San Francisco hooked on extremis by poisoning the water supply with it then charged them 99$ a day for it.

>>88359837
>Implying you did not
An anon compared DK to all other DC movies, not all cape movies, so Marvel shouldn't have been mentioned at all, right?

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STILL the only WB capekino to outgross the film it's a sequel to.

Diminished returns.

>>88359903
He was clearly trying to take a jab at DC movies, which is company war shitposting at its finest.

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>>88359963
Jesus Christ, someone took a jab at something on 4chan.
You are worse than an SJW, congratulations.

>>88359880
I don't have a financial stake in either company so I don't care. Why do you?

>>88359963
Now that's an implication if there ever was one.

Looks like Ladderbro is back.

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>>88356385
You have to be 18 to post here.

>>88359995
Are you the person I am responding to?
Because if so, you obviously do.
If not, why are you responding to my post?

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>>88360014
>Implying I ever left, even for a day.

>>88360043
>Because if so, you obviously do.

In what way? You people who obsess over box office numbers are pathetic. Unless you're a literal stockholder in Disney or Time Warner what difference does it make to you? Are you just trying to validate your enjoyment of terrible movies?

>>88360043
Not the anon in question, but, it's called shitposting anon. It happens quite a lot these days.

>>88359825
>>88359837
>>88359903
I would pay to go see a "The Big Short" style film about the executives and producers of D.C. and Marvel, and all the competitive bullshit that goes on behind the scenes.

>>88360081
says the person currently raging over box office numbers

>>88359750
>Reminder that after a dozen movies the MCU hasn't cracked a billion without RDJ starring in the movie.
>>88360081
>In what way? You people who obsess over box office numbers are pathetic.

Are you mentally retarded, drunk or just pretending?

>>88360111
Trip confirmed for shit I want to see happen

>>88360130
That wasn't me. I'm just interjecting to tell you guys you're all a bunch of flaming autists fighting over which corporation you've pledged your undying loyalty to.

>>88360130
Its just a literal shill that feel the need to protect a company like he was a dog.

>>88356016
Because the first dark knight didn't do that well and was boring as shit.

So when Heath died of an overdose, they used that publicity to get more mooks to see it, and anybody can be told to like something via lying and propoganda, see starwars 1-3. Cucks actually believe those movies were unironically good now.

Without Heath, dying, you'd see that the Joker was really overly edgy, the romance subplots sucked, Bale was a ridiculous Batman, and they rushed the Two face plot lines.

The only memorable thing about it was that boat scene and it wasn't even that spectacular.

>>88360111
I honestly don't think Marvel Studios makes films with any consideration to what WB is producing.

Disney occasionally aggressively schedules openings around WB films (especially Pirates and Wonder Woman), but I don't think Marvel Studios sees anything worth mirroring over at their "rival".

>>88360111
Despite what you think, they both want each other's movies to succeed because that means better business for both of them. Company wars only exists on the internet.

>>88360183
oh, ok. thanks, I guess.

>>88360205
>I honestly don't think Marvel Studios makes films with any consideration to what WB is producing.

Either Kevin Feige or one of the Russo's literally admitted they only made Civil War because of BvS.

>>88360219
At this point, with 3 movies a year, I don't think that Marvel needs Batman movies to prop up their numbers, if they ever did. If anything, with 3rd studios involved, it's getting crowded.

Especially if WB actually produces all the movies they've "scheduled" (which I strongly doubt).

>>88360237
link?
because even you seem uncertain.

>>88360314
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Batman-V-Superman-Actually-Helped-Marvel-Realize-Civil-War-Was-Right-Call-127537.html

>>88360374
That article doesn't even imply that.
It simply quotes him as saying that BvS confirmed for them that going with their planned storyline for Cap 3 was the right move.

Sort of. In shaping a world where superhero movies are treated the same as any other blockbuster, and even setting a new rule for Hollywood and its treatment of movie franchises, it also kind of doomed Hollywood as a whole. Now every superhero movie has to be a part of a larger franchise, any and every movie has to have its own expanded universe. Movie sequels and spinoffs are planned out fifteen plus years in advance. Actors are sidelined by contracts to play their comic counterparts. Comics themselves fall victim to the jewery that is synergy.

>>88360807
I actually still like the expanded universe deal, it allows characters to more freely interact with each other, and not just in special gimmicks. and by tying.everything together it gives it a more "and the world keeps turning" vibe, like star wars, where each movie picks up where the last left off. it makes their world feel more alive, more natural

>>88356143
Because IM1 had legitimate effort put into it. Most of the MCU movies don't have that level of care in them now.

>>88356399
In the comics he has a couple times, but usually it's only when he has no other choice. Then sometimes he kills in a huge screwup, like with Titanium Man 2.

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>>88360982
I don't know anon. That dream scene or whatever in Doctor Strange was pretty good.

Also, when Ant-Man shrunk down the first time. Obviously it was CGI but it didn't feel or look cheap but maybe that's just me.

>>88356177
>audience almost universally walks away from going "well that was just awful"
bvs?

>>88356611
yes

>>88361170
Compare this to the big fight at the end of SS, where everyone stands around and watches two big CGI monsters clumsily slug it out.

>>88361888
I don't think he was implying that is a well made action scene - just look at the filename. It's a gigantic clusterfuck.

>>88355602
I'd argue the Batman movie that made a billion dollars and won an Oscar did.

>>88361943
it beats having 5 guys stand behind cover giving "reaction faces" while two CW-tier monsters wrassle.

>>88361984
Let's not imply that movie won a Best Picture or anything.
Heat got his posthumous apology Oscar for being snubbed for his controversial Brokeback Mountain performance.

>>88355602
>2006
>X-Men 3

That was over 10 years ago? Christ.

>>88362094
Still the only Superhero movie to win and Oscar

>>88362109
Yeah, while you were drifting off, they made an entire new trilogy of X-Men films.

>>88362094
Still best performance from capeshit. Best capeshit villain. Well, all Nolan's villains are great. And DK is objectively best capeshit ever made. IM was good, no shit, but it's on BB level of quality.

>>88362179
Did your parents have any children that weren't retarded?
Could you have them post instead?

>>88362179
>Still the only Superhero movie to win and Oscar
aside from Superman, Batman, The Incredibles, Big Hero 6 and Spider-Man 2, sure.

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>>88361170
rick would be proud

>>88360982
this. Iron Man was a movie first, cape flick second.

I remember reading that they barely even had a script while filming. lots of lines they just made up on the spot, and there was lots of ad-libbing.

or do you think

that "with a box of scraps" bit is something Marvel wouldve come up with?

Iron Man pretty much let the Actors become the characters and sort of interact naturally.

the current marvel cape flicks are way too micromanaged and everything is thought out down to the littlest detail and down to the last period in the script, and the visuals themselves are too focused on being "epic" instead of just being good movie visuals.

for example, compare

>>88355602

with

>>88361170

>>88355602
No, but TDK did.

>>88356342
Holy shit this
I knew people that were asking me "where do you think the 3rd Dark knight will go?"

>>88360935
I'd agree if it didn't mean studios force you to build you initial movie around what might come after it. /tv/ memes alot, but it really is a sort of death of creativity. And I'm really gonna fucking hate Star Wars once there's two or three movies coming out per year.

>>88360019
The people most apt to think that the MCU films are the best thing ever are the kids who grew up on them and know nothing else. You're responding to a post made by an oldfag noting that things were better in the old days, and in this case they were.

>>88356385
Out of the ones you mention, only Batman Begins and Spider-Man 2 are good. Meanwhile, you seem to have forgotten Hulk, Daredevil, Fantastic Four and all the other complete misses from the early 2000's.

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>>88367569
Nah, it is just a baby crying over baseless assumptions, probably because their favorite movie is trashed by the critics and audience.

Xmen movies still have varied receptions going from "awful" to "great" and take themselves way more seriously. Winter Soldier for example, is one of the most loved movies of the franchine and is one of the most serious. Tranktastic, BvS and Spider2 were also attempts to make more serious movies, but everyone agree that they ended up horrible anyway, independent of trends.

>>88356342

Its unfortunately true. They didn't know how directly connected Batman Begins was to the TDK. People through begins was a prequel to batman movies. Even though it contradicts the keaton/burton films.

Its really how WB got away with batman in BvS. People don't care, as long as batman is in it. They go see that shit.

>>88367590
>Hulk (2003)
>miss

that movie is a miss on being a "Hulk" movie, only getting it right in pedestrian ways. Though its an amazing movie and in retrospect a brilliant subversion of the super hero genre. It's heavily tied in emotions, legacy, duty and what is "right" in the face of horrors, genius and power. Ang Lee made a masterpiece of a movie and unfortunately did it with Hulk so people don't take it seriously and Hulk fans don't get enough anger and punching.

>>88360517
Wasn't the original plan for the third Captain America to be called Serpent Society?

>>88360807
>and even setting a new rule for Hollywood and its treatment of movie franchises, it also kind of doomed Hollywood as a whole.

Umm the universal monsters were in the same film universe like 60 years before the MCU was thought up.

>>88367844
i take it you dont want to see hulk smash

>>88359672
Begins was still the best of the three.

>>88355602
Of course Iron Man did. The only other movie to even compare was Batman Begins. The other two TDK movies were garbage.

>>88367931

movie crossovers had largely been seen as jokes and "jumping the shark" type last ditch efforts to boost interest. Only monster movies did it. We're in hero age now I guess.

>>88355602
>Did he singlehandedly save the genre?
Nolan? Sure. Otherwise Marvel wouldn't have made that Batman ripoff movie you posted.

>>88367962
>TDK movies
You don't even know what you're talking about, are you?

>>88367844
Just watched it. It holds up better now.

>>88367919

That was a joke that /co/ still somehow takes seriously.

The very early rumours were that Cap was going to fight the Grand Director.

>>88367844

>Though its an amazing movie and in retrospect a brilliant subversion of the super hero genre

Maybe on a conceptual level, but in execution its ruined by Lee's bizarre artistic flourishes and the terrible acting from people who have all done better work.

>>88368087
i t also failed to deliver on what everyone wants most in a hulk movie, smashing things to little bits

>>88368093

>i t also failed to deliver on what everyone wants most in a hulk movie, smashing things to little bits

Well the smashing we actually got was so poorly directed I didn't want much more of it. It's a long way from what Lee did with Crouching Tiger.

>>88367939
I don't think anyone wants to see Hulk Smash

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>>88356177
It's too big to fall now man. We've got franchises