>Spider-Gwen and Gwenpool are no longer in the top 100 Is

>>88345633
Until they make her black.

>>88345633
>Spider-Gwen
Good.
>Gwenpool
Fuck.

>>88345633
hopefully.

>>88345633
Nope, she's just been replaced by Gwenpool.

>>88345648
>>Gwenpool
>Fuck.
30k is still doing alright.

>>88345633
Don't tell Slott that, he only started to get in board the Gwen train.

>>88345633
Hopefully the Miles fad will follow.

Aren't they pairing Spider Gwen with Miles? Her own run might get axed, but Bendis probably won't let his self insert's waifu die.

>>88345648
>>88345727

Honestly the only reason I care about Gwenpool is Batroc and the Witch being top lads.

>>88345765

What are you talking about? Miles Morales is the freshest, most exciting and most promising character in all of current Marvel. Truly the Superior Spider-Man, and just maybe, the only one deserving of the name!

>>88345645
>Until they make her GO black.
ftfy

>>88345839
The fact that there are actually people who think like this bothers me. All the time in top ten lists I always see people shilling Miles as "The most interesting thing to happen to the Spider-Man franchise" or "Peter Parker done /better/."

>>88346004

Why, I have it from a good source that he even dwarves Peter's popularity among the readers! Now I can't say I understand the Marvel corporate machine, but I believe it's pretty likely that we will put Miles as the lead of ASM sooner that you could think.

>>88345633
They hooked up Spider-Gwen with Miles Morales, in hopes that Miles' popularity might give her a boost. And of course they'll be milking the interracial/"progressive" angle for all it's worth. We'll see if it works.

If it fails, they'll probably just make her a supporting character/love interest in Miles' book.

Gwenpool is safe for now.

Spidergwen will be forgotten and remembered as a shitty variant of Gwenpool.

>>88346004
His stories were pretty fun back in Ultimate, but I wouldn't say he's "better" or "more interesting" than 616 Peter. More interesting than 1610 Peter, sure.

>>88345633
Do boob socks like that actually provide support or would they just leave her girls flailing around?

>>88345633
It's too bad, I liked both of these books, it was fun that Marvel was doing books with new young heroines.

>tfw you have both on your team in Future Force but there's no way to farm their biometrics reliably

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>>88346004
>Peter around for 60 years
>Miles around for like 5

It's almost like he needs at least somewhat of a proportionate amount of time.

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>>88345633
Who honestly thought that Gwen Stacy of all people would be a successful character to capitalize on? In the vast collection of well rounded characters that make up Spidey's supporting cast, Gwen is a lump of undefinable clay that's regularly molded to fit whatever narrative the writers are trying to create for the sake of convenience.

In 616 she was a generic love interest, in the Spectacular cartoon she was textbook geek, in Ultimate she's a fun-loving rock babe and in this wreck of a comic she's a bag of depression with dwindling sanity points while in other books she's pretty much just Peter with a vagina. There's no hard defining traits about her that would attract people to her character unless they fell for the "First and One True Love" meme.

>>88346065
>, I have it from a good source that he even dwarves Peter's popularity among the readers!

That's bull. Books staring Peter /always/ do better than Miles' books. Even Ultimate Peter sold more than Miles ever has.

>>88346114
He was good for about the first year, then he got boring.

>>88346297
Peter had more character development and personality in his first year than Miles has ever had in all five years he's been around.

>>88346297

At the very fucking least Peter had his Uncle Ben origin story. Marvel went and erased what little Ultimate Miles has and we're left with fucking nothing in the form of 616 Miles.

>>88345633

>tfw Spider-Man 2099 sells even less than these two

Great sorrow.

>>88346114
>Better than 1610 Peter
That's disgusting bait, he's fucking Peter but black. And the fact that Bendis kept killing his damn cast and relying on Peter's old cast was pathetic.

>>88346386
I'll agree with that. He doesn't remember secret wars right? I found that dumb I think the people who saved the place should have been allowed to remember.

>>88346434
They gave based PAD the worst artist this side of Gred Land, what do you expect?

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>>88346320
And in Mexico she was THICC

>>88346320
>Who honestly thought that Gwen Stacy of all people would be a successful character to capitalize on
Somebody who thought the Gwen and Peter scenes in ASM2 were the best parts of the movie.
That movie is 2 and a half years old. That's way too long to try to keep a trend going.

>>88346447
Idk man, 1610 Peter was pretty boring. The most interesting thing happened to him, was his death.

>>88346455

It's all very confusing. Secret Wars ended with both Peter and Miles landing on 616, then they say bye to each other and just go swinf in different directions, somehow not noticing they were in the same dimension.

Then Spider-Man #1 comes out and apparently Miles has never seen Peter before, he just put the costume and stole the name and that's that.

Then in Gwenpool Gwen directly asks her about the Ultimateverse and he has no fucking idea.

>>88345839
Fuck off, Bendis

>>88346584

No, YOU fuck off, Slott. You won't be the ASM writer forever, one day you'll drop your guard and I'll be there to make sure you won't interfere with my plans again.

>>88346504
Dayum

>>88346490

I know right, why couldn't it be based Ramos?

>>88346455
>I'll agree with that. He doesn't remember secret wars right?
Here's the problem, Bendis has yet to give an actual answer outside of random hints dropped throughout Miles' current run which led to guys like Hasting attempting to answer for him during crossovers. But with Bendis being Bendis, he ignores what went on in those books and still entertains the idea that Miles retained all of his memories from Ultimate but somehow got over all of the existential crises he would have had by virtue of being a refugee from another world during the second or third time skip.

>>88346642
Not if based Conway has anything to say about it.

>>88346434
Clearly we need Spider-Gwen 2099

>>88347167

Well we already got Spider-Ham 2099 so might as well.

>>88346297
Spider-Man had the Ditko and Romita runs though.

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>>88346768
>We could have had a book where we focus on Miles coming to terms with the destruction of his universe and having to spend the rest of his life on a world that is not his own.
>We could have had a scenes where Jefferson confronts Miles about distancing himself from his Mother who is supposed to be dead and struggling to explain why.
>We could have had a scene where Miles comes to Peter for guidance since he's the only one with full knowledge of his situation and help reestablish that student/mentor relationship.
>This would have been the perfect time to bring back based Uncle Aaron as an primary antagonist who survived their previous confrontation in this reality and succeeded in his goal of becoming a crime kingpin.
But no, we gotta have pointless appearances from Luke Cage and Jessica Jones along with his sassy Hispanic grandma who does nothing but be a confrontational bitch.

>>88346080
>Miles' popularity
Good one m8. I've had a shit day so thanks for the top laff.

>>88346520
t. Milesfag

In fact, when Miles took over Ultimate Spider-Man after Bendis killed Peter off, the book did consistently worse and worse which is why they did the renumbering and relaunch. The book was tanking, and it wasn't because Miles is black. It's because as a character he's a void. His only defining character traits are handed-down ideas from Peter Parker, which wasn't enough to woo the Ultimate Spidey readers into loving him.

In fact, I don't think any writer has yet to do an iconic Miles Morales story because Bendis still lionizes him and Bendis is TERRIBLE at writing character moments.

>>88347494
What I meant is, he's more popular than her

>>88345633
What's ironic is that Renew Your Vows is more popular than both of them, and Marvel still pretends to not get the hint

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>>88345633
>>Spider-Gwen and Gwenpool are no longer in the top 100

TOP 10 GRAPHIC NOVELS & TRADE PAPERBACKS
1 PAPER GIRLS VOLUME 2
2 MARVEL: THE HIP-HOP COVERS VOLUME 1 HC
3 DC SUPER HERO GIRLS VOL. 2: HITS AND MYTHS
4 STAR WARS: DARTH VADER VOL. 4: END OF GAMES
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Source:
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>>88347362
>We could have had a scene where
But, anon, Bendy's got the most important base covered: Interracial Shotacon!

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>>88348039
>In fact, I don't think any writer has yet to do an iconic Miles Morales story because Bendis still lionizes him
While you are right that Bendis is a shit writer, it has more to do with the fact that nobody has actually had the chance to write Miles' main book. That would require removing Bendis and that's a practically pipe dream at this stage.

>>88348345
>Bendis and Latour
>Writing romance
Pic related

>>88348584
Miles has shown up in countless other books and was even an Avenger. It's very clear when other people wrote for him they have no clue what to do with the character. This also leads people to believe its a corporate decision or Slott not wanting Peter to be in other books.

>>88348276
Trades =/= floppy sales

>>88345814
>Implying Bendis won't just get his own Gwen back.

>>88346381
Hell, in his first two years Peter graduated from high school even.
Miles hasn't stopped being a Freshman in high school yet.

>>88348276
Trade sells dont keep a book alive.

>>88345814
>Bendis probably won't let his self insert's waifu die
Which one?

>>88349143

Any, because Miles isn't a failure at saving people lie that lame Peter Parker.

>>88349042
They've kept Squirrel Girl alive.

>>88349329
Oh god.

First Squirrel Girl, now Gwenpool. Soon Marvel's female superhero line will be a cesspool full of wacky memelord characters.

>>88348787
Pretty sure he's in junior year His story started 8 months before Peter "died" and he was in a lottery for going to a charter high school. 13 going on 14 as he brings up like twice in his first few issues.

>>88349397

Meanwhile Great Lakes Avengers won't live past the issue 5

>>88350267
What's so great about it?

>>88349329
No they haven't. SQ is kept alive for quota.

>>88350677

It's fun to see them fail catastrophically at everything.

>>88346320

Renewed interest in Gwen after ASM2 came out. Marvel decided to cash in and that's how we got Spider-gwen and Gwenpool

So wait, is Spider Gwen the original Gwen Stacy now or is the original Gwen still dead, and if so who is Spider Gwen now?

>>88350778
Gwenpool was only a concept, it only got headway after people online flipped out and demanded an actual book.

I just want Marvel to stop trying to pander to people that barely buy comics

Miles was a mistake

>>88347362

>Bendis: Here's 4 issues dedicated to Miles getting in trouble about not doing his homework.

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>>88350792
Alternate Earth. However, that Gwen keeps coming to the regular Earth to visit the other characters.

Also, people still don't know that Gwenpool is not Gwen Stacy?

>>88350739
So it's a bunch of C listers fucking up everything? I can get behind something like that.

>>88350792
Spider gwen is from another universe where she got bitten and peter took the role of 616 gwen, as in dying

>>88350778
Since ASM1, i love gwen but goddamn, wish Marvel knew how to use her

>>88350822

No, Miles is my self-insert, man. Don't take that away from me.

If you want we can make Shaft white.

>>88350861
I thought there was only one Earth now, and everyone is from there.

>>88350932
Bendis, what are you doing on /co/

>>88350881

Dude go read G.L.A. like right now, it's from back when Slott was good

For some context they debutted in West Coast Avengers as a self proclaimed branch, Hawkeye got butthurt and went to deal with them but since he was mad with the other Avengers at the time decided to make them his team instead. They were relatively competent back then but then they became the butt of more jokes as discount heroes until they became the glovable failures they are today.

>>88350967
Nope. Spider-Gwen is from Earth 63 or somesuch, where Captain America is a black woman, and Matt Murdock is the Kingpin of crime.

>>88350979
Just a mixed race 20-something who has been a spiderman fan since he was in elementary school.

>>88350881

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwSpEQ1p-WI

>>88350967
Reed and his family are working together to rebuild the damage done to the multiverse after the Incursion bullshit, Spider-Gwen's reality was one of the few surviving universes out there.

Really the only universe worth noting that got shafted was Ultimate and place was going downhill for the longest. Marvel grabbed what was worth grabbing (Miles and his supporting cast, Evil Reed) then let the rest burn.

>>88348039
>In fact, I don't think any writer has yet to do an iconic Miles Morales story because Bendis still lionizes him and Bendis is TERRIBLE at writing character moments.
And ironically, they still stole the closest thing he has to an iconic story - his first arc - for Homecoming. They literally had him do the whole standing on the ceiling in front of not-Ganke thing.
I'd honestly rather have a Miles movie than a Miles movie with Peter pasted in.

>>88345633
We need more Gwens. Gwenning is my fetish.

More like Marvel finally killed it. It's like they weren't expecting Spider-Gwen to interest people, so they had to do everything possible to destroy that interest.

>>88350861
I'll say this for Miles. He's a pretty damn good straight man.
If they put him on a double lead book with a character he could actually play off and a better writer than Bendis, he could be great.

>>88351084
>>88350932
>make shaft white
no thanks, shaft is shaft

its this kind of thinking that makes shit like miles happen, when what people like about spider-man isnt just him in a fucking costume, hes been such an enduring and popular syperhero because of all of it, spidey heroing and peter trying to live his life, and the retarded reasoning of a role model for muh minority children is even more retarded, a role model should be someone you look up to, period, it shouldn't matter what color they are or what gender they are, as long as you both have common ground and equal goals to believe in it shouldn't matter because you're just trying to look up to them for the wrong reason. It's like telling me my only hero is allowed to be Django from Django Unchained or Martin Luther King because they're black.

>>88351191
Hi Miles

>>88350967
There is only one Earth now, except when Marvel wants to make some money.

>>88351148
Wait, Evil Reed exists? Cool

>>88351157
i dont, they just adapted what could be salvaged from that shit and pasted it in the character that actually matters

>>88351224
>If they put him on a double lead book with a character he could actually play off
Gwenpool? xD

>>88351084
>Spider-Man fan
>doesn't hyphenate his name

>>88345839
the character is about 4 years old, all of his character development (from his uncle and mom dying) has been undone. the day Bendis leaves Marvel is the day that Miles dies.

>>88351306
I was just making a reference to a joke Donald Glover made https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULdm2NLrN4E

>>88351415
Im a lazy typist on informal writings

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>>88351384
Gwen pls, you blew your chance already.

>>88351708
Why wasn't Tumblr outraged about this?

>>88351148
>Evil Reed
The man is the only Reed willing to share his technology with the world, even if his methods are a bit extreme and genocidal. As far as I'm concerned, Ultimate Richards is the only benevolent Richards. The rest are amoral sociopaths with a ridiculous rigid code of conduct that people misconstrue as morality.

>>88352099
>yet another person who has never read a good ff run

>>88345765
5 years and still going strong

>>88352202
>going strong
is he really, shit sales paint a clearly different picture, ultimate marvel being shitcanned is also a pretty good indicator, and no putting him in 616 isnt going to make him more popular

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>>88351921
Miles is a PoC he can do no wrong. Especially to the tumblr insert.

>>88352549
I'm with Miles on this. I honestly don't get why so many people fetishize race/gender like that.

I understand being glad about minorities overcoming bias or societies showing lack of prejudice. But a lot of people, like this girl character, it feels like they treat these people/characters as mere pawns in some sort of chess game. They aren't cheering that a female character is interesting and can hold their own well-selling comic, they're cheering that "Thor is a lady now", queen to E2, checkmate.

>>88352549

>I don't want to be the black Spider-Man
>I want to be Spider-Man

...But there already is a fucking Spider-Man.

What did he expect would happen if he called himself Spider-Man while wearing black and showing black skin? Or was he expecting that the original would give up his name because it's not his turn anymore?

>>88352725
>...But there already is a fucking Spider-Man.
It's simple... we kill the Spider-Man.

>>88352725
Well, to be fair there are 2 Hawkeyes, several Captain Americas, and don't get me started on Thors.

>>88352754

BENDIS NO

DROP THAT WEAPON

>>88352725
well,
A) Peter was presumed dead when Miles decided to fully commit to being spiderman.
B) There was a whole "its in poor taste" meme when he tried to dress up as the original
C)It wasn't like he was purposely showing his skin

>>88352714
Yeah, it's just a political game to them. "Oh these people hate you but I love you for your skin color so gib me likes/votes/money etc"


>>88352782
Beta Ray Bill Bro is best Thor

>>88352917
>A) Peter was presumed dead when Miles decided to fully commit to being spiderman.
616 Pete has never been presumed ded when Miles wanted to be Spoder-min

>>88348345
WTF is this, isnt miles a kid, i stopped reading Marvel after they killed ult.pete only dabling in 616 pete here and there, but slott shit just kept getting more and more annoying, then i see this stuff here and i dont particularly feel like going back, this shit just seems forced as hell, when did this happen

>>88352917
But all of that was retcon nee after Secret Wars III

>>88352446
Actually Miles is at his peak barring when he was introduced. Leaving Ultimate was the best thing to happen to his sales. He's been stablized at 30k since then instead of the mid20s like he was before.

>>88353059
>then i see this stuff here and i dont particularly feel like going back
But anon, Cap America is black now, Thor is a woman, Iron Man is a little brown girl, cape comics talk about tampons and mansplaining, and every white heroine has a black boyfriend!

>>88353148
He was never actually selling mid 20's in ultimate. It was low 30's

>>88352549

Miles you can't be Spiderman you never will be Spiderman Peter Paker IS SPIDERMAN!

>>88352917

>A) Peter was presumed dead when Miles decided to fully commit to being spiderman.
>B) There was a whole "its in poor taste" meme when he tried to dress up as the original

Ultimate ain't canon anymore.

>>88353201
WTF is happening to Marvel, does doing stupid shit like that actually selling comics, or are they just desperate or what

>>88353056
>>88353098

But the Miles here isn't from 616 right? He decided to be Spider-man when his "died" practically in front of him.

Its all confusing and retardingly retcon'd so fuck it. I'll just take my self-insert and all the white women he can handle.

>>88353474
No, his history was rewritten when he came to 616. Meaning that he chose the Spider-Man name (out of convenience as we see in the flash back with Peter), then got anal when people put an adjective in front of his name, despite him not being the original.

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>>88353379
Peter Parker isn't Spiderman. Takuya Yamashiro is Spiderman (commonly known as Japanese Spider-Man). Peter Parker is Spider-Man though, meaning Miles can fuck off since both roles are taken.

>>88353379
He could just take the name they gave him in the cartoons and call himself Kid Arachnid. It's not a half-bad superhero name and his toys already have that label so it works out.

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>>88353474
>I'll just take my self-insert and all the white women he can handle.
You'd be better off with picrelated as a self-insert than a completely redundant unoriginal copycat of a legacy character with a Hawkman-level confusing backstory, patchy as fuck memory, and a bland personality.

>>88345633
That's gonna make me sad if they do.

>>88354068
But I also have a patchy as fuck memory and a bland personality.

>>88354122
less of a chance to fuck her up even more anon

>>88345633
Well, dying is what Gwen Stacy is best at

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>>88346504

>>88352549
>Bendis is this desperate for his Spider-man to be the only Spider-man

>>88352725
This. Here is what these pussies do

A) Make an uninspired shitty character that's black for the sake of having a black hero(Which is why they're uninspired)

B) Say "fuck white people" and make a white character black.

Just make a new interesting hero that happens to be black, Hispanic or Asian or whatever. Stop being faggots.(They can't though)

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>>88346320

>Not wanting to settle down with a beautiful, smart, loyal girl like Gwen

I do wish they had ran with Pete/Norah rather than Carlie Cooper

Also, inb4 >loyal

>>88354592
>wanting to settle with a girl who either cucks you with your archenemy, or prefers your younger black imitator, depending on the universe

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>>88354592
>loyal

>>88354592
>Loyal
>Smart
>Gwen.

Is this bait?

>>88354735
>>88354806
>>88354692
come on guys lets not do this, we all know this shit was because of quesada and straczynski wanted to retcon that shit, even Marvel ignores that shit like it never existed, we can only hope they fucking retcon it

and fuck bendis and shitty miles

>>88354911
Nigger maybe read a comic, the main reason Gwen wanted to fuck Peter in the first place was because she had already fucked most of the guys she knew
"he's the only boy I haven't given a tumble"

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>>88354911
>Implying that's the only thing wrong with Gwen.

Gwen was boring, shit, spoiled, and a slut. Besides, we all know who the best Spider-Man girl is. It's pic related.

>>88354951
Not exactly (CCA really wouldn't let them talk about sex after all), but she gave off that "hot popular girl" vibe for sure.
It's possible that Gwen basically was used to having every guy in campus drool over her and Peter not only was new to campus he actually didn't pay much attention to her at all due to being wrapped up in his Spider-Man stuff.

She came off across as that REALLY popular girl who wanted this one guy she felt like she couldn't have because she knew every OTHER guy would bang her if she had the chance; she kept going back to Peter because to her his vanishing acts and his seeming ability to dismiss her off-hand while everyone else drooled over here was a lot more interesting to her then the old "yeah, yeah, I get it already you want to fuck me" rountine.
Basically Gwen kind of wanted Peter early on because she felt like she couldn't have him somehow.

Her personality changed quite a bit as different writers took over though, especially when Mary-Jane showed up and took over the "Wild party girl" vibe.

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>>88355132
Gwen's first appearance.
Everyone else wants to fuck her, Peter just doesn't give a shit.

>>88355132
>>88355226
Peter was the original MGTOW

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>>88355226
More Pete not giving a shit and Gwen getting offended now.
This happened a LOT early on and her initial relationship was pretty hot/cold due to her temper yet desire to figure out why he could so easily ignore her.

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>>88355304
More of him brushing her off.
I've met three separate women like Gwen; pretty good looking, a decent number of male friends, most of them want to fuck her, she lacks interest because desperation turns her off.

Two are now married to guys who basically didn't pay any more attention to her then anyone else so they saw them as desireable rather then sad.
The third died.

>>88355369
Did she get tossed off a brdige?

>>88355369
>the third died
KEK

>>88355394
No. Car accident.
She ended up in the hospital after with cranial trauma and a ruined chest cavity and died on the operating table.
>>88355419
I suppose it'a funny in a certain light, though at the time I thought not.

>>88355369
what does it matter if she was interested first because peter didnt really give her the time of day, we had years of Marvel developing that shit to something more

they've been fucking shit up in recent years though, not only to gwen but basically the rest of the Marvel characters

>>88355496
>we had years of Marvel developing that shit to something more

Which they didn't do. The only meaningful thing to happen to the character was her dying.

They should put her in a lesbian relationship with Silk. Everybody wins!

>>88357667
Silk is even more awful than Spider-Gwen

>>88358211
don't talk shit about spider kitana

>>88345814
Wouldn't Bendis want to get his self insert paired up with Kitty?

People still think Gwenpool is Gwen Stacy?

>>88358622
But she /was/ originally. She was part of a Gwen Stacy variant line that got a spin off.

>>88354505
Well yeah, after all if someone else uses Peter then Bendis doesn't get a check.

>>88358954
For one cover right? A variant cover?

>>88355496
She gradually fell into deeper love with Peter and it influenced her portrayal and personality.

>>88354992
Pete was young. He didn't know what he had.

>>88359101
She was created with the sole intention that she was Gwen Stacy mixed with Deadpool. Mean she was in fact part of the Gwen Stacy fad.

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>>88359142
The symbiote is a top teir waifu.

>>88359174
And now she's in an abusive relationship without Flash. Cause Fuckin MArvel.

>>88357667
I'd dig this.
>>88358368
Would she have Gwen's back, so to speak?

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>>88359269
She got dumped by her first love.

Dated his co-worker to get back.

Her first love tricked her into coming back, but only as a ploy to get her to break up with his co-worker.

Spent some time dating a cannibal, that was weird.

Develops Stockholm Syndrome with her first love's high school bully.

Current boyfriend is beats the shit out of her and date raped her.

She deserves a happy ending dammit.

>>88359536

Don't forget that her daughter got married with a completely batshit serial killer and does everything he says.

>>88359536
>>88359635
How would Anti-Venom factor into this?

>>88359635
And yet, her daughter still managed to find true love while she's still getting with mistake after mistake. And they all end up hating her afterwards too, though no fault of her own, the people she's with just make dumb decisions with her.

>>88359536
Actually, I'd love to read an arc where we explore the sentient side of the symbiote and her(?) relationship with different hosts.

At least it'd be something different from all the predictable gimmicky shit that is current Marvel

>>88359665

Her second boyfriend decided to dress as her and he was so popular compared to her that he became the town bicycle until he literally got sucked dry.

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>>88359665
Brock got super anal after the two broke up for good, so he went full on psycho and started to wear her old clothes while hunting her down. Also, it's obvious she still hasn't gotten over Peter, because she makes all her boyfriends dress up like him.

>>88359635
>Eventually daughter came back and she killed and ate her
>batshit serial killer got with an alternate universe version of her daughter afterwards

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>>88345645
You're not wrong

>>88359536
>>88359635

>Daughter's gonna have child of her own
>Venom know's she a complete deadbeat, and will probably just drown the creature when it arrives
>Tries to do something right for once and be a supporting granny
>Too late, grandaughter starts dating a friend of your very first ex that you still dream about, and been taught to hate you by them.
>She also calls her boyfriend "daddy"
>[despair intensifies]

>>88359174
>>88359755
What's this fan art under as?
Venom-Tan?
Venom waifu?

>>88359149
Initially yes. But she has become her own character since.

>>88359906
Symbio-tan?

>>88354992
Yeah... it seems Peter's relationships with his best waifus can't survive the BONG

>>88359906

>AU where the symbiote bonded not with Brock but with a batshit insane Spidey fangirl.
>Hilarity ensues.

>>88359959
NO!!! Don't give them ideas!!
We don't need yet another "quirky" "wacky" female character

>>88359959
>AU where the symbiote bonded not with Brock but with Gwen

Fixed.

>>88360042
NO MORE GWENS

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>>88359723
>and her(?)

She had children, it's a her. But yeah, an arc focusing on the symbiote itself would be awesome. I've always liked the idea that the symbiote is it's own character, instead of some peacefull alien psychic race bullshit Bendis is trying to push.

>>88360099

What did you say anon? The Gween Goblin? That's brilliant!

>>88360010

Please, as if Marvel actually came to /co/ in search of ideas.

>>88359898
>She thinks it's a kink.

>>88359906
Symbiote-tan, but those are the only two I saved/saw.

>>88360042
>>88360156
Gwenom.

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>>88360042
>AU where the symbiote brings Gwen back to life or stopped her death.
>She becomes obsessed with Peter/Spider-Man because she believes in first and true love.
>Eventually starts trying to kill all the other girls so they can have him for themselves.

>>88360144
>It's been a long time, lover.

Fuck it, it's been confirmed. The symbiote is just a tsundere ex.

>>88345633
I hope so
It was a neat else worlds idea that they overused and whored to a point it's trash
It be like right after the success of Red Son DC plug that Superman in the mainline universe

>>88360226
>>88360280
Scarlet Spider Gwen Reilly.

>>88360280

Wouldn't this technically be the easiest enemy for Peter? He would just have to give them the dick, and if they get moody about other girls getting close just give them the dick harder.

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>>88360280
Yeah, but what does Gwen have to do with this?

>>88360345
>Implying Gwenom wouldn't try to bond with Peter to make a threesome.

>>88360042

wait didnt that literally happen in Miles original universe?

>>88360373
I meant to say both Gwen and the Symbiote become obsessed for the spider-dick.

>>88351148
It's amazing how much Nothing that Secret Wars ended up being, especially after the official hype made by Marvel and the unofficial hype caused by /co/ reacting to Multiversity and Convergence at the time. Hell, the only things that actually changed were Miles and Maker coming from 1610 to 616, The Fantastic Four breaking up, and Doom getting a facelift.

I'm not baiting when I say that Convergence did more for the DC Multiverse than Secret Wars did for Marvel's multiverse.

>>88360490
>Implying the symbiote isn't already obsessed over Peter's D.

Why do you think she makes all her hosts dress up like Peter? It's not like it's normal for symbiotes to have spider emblems on them, just look at the other ones.

>>88360650

Toxin's doing it.

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So what would it take for Peter to get back together with best girl?

>>88360345
Well it worked for Black Cat

>>88360727
That's only because Brock is just as obsessed with Symbiote-Tan as Symbiote-Tan is obsessed with Peter. So he dresses like her.

>>88360729
Invitation to coffee and a writer who isn't Slott.

Because then he'd just write the symbiote as the Silver Surfer's surfboard, which he writes as a trained dog.

>>88345633
Spider-gwen was bad but Gwenpool fulfills my western moe quota and I'll be sad to see it go.

>>88345839
*The Ultimate Spider-Man
Seriously though Kamala is already getting a decent rogue's gallery and Miles is doing jacksquat.

Can we please get some villains for the guy that aren't Pete's?

>>88350822
I'm not gonna lie, Ultimate comics was what got me to read comics. Having a fresh continuity without an assload of history to catch up and feeling like I would be there for the whole thing was exciting as a newfriend.

And even then I was still pissed to hell and back that they "killed" Pete.

>>88360843
>Can we please get some villains for the guy that aren't Pete's?

What if Doc Ock was black?

>>88360775

Imagine how Toxin feels about the whole ordeal. First bonding must have been like getting an entire soap opera squished into his brain with both Brock and Venom's memories.

>"Woah a new host I wonder how he's gonna bweeeaaaath the fuuuuuuuuuuuuck-"

>>88360650
True, I suppose adding Gwen to the equation doesn't do much aside from Peter having even more mixed feelings in his love life.
Although, if Gwenom was real I could see Peter's love intrests being in danger a lot more often. Symbi's the type of person who tries to move on or go for the jealously play while "pay attention to me" Gwen I could see taking a more active approach in trying to eliminate the competition.

>>88360729
Redemption arc where the symbiote is seriously injured and needs Peter specifically to keep alive.
They talk it out and stay together.

Could someone explain what's happened to Miles since Secret War?

I dropped USM when it was announced Peter was getting killed, and picked it up again and read through all of the Miles stuff when Bendis brought Peter back. I dropped the whole thing again when they announced the Ultimate universe was getting destroyed because I knew this meant that Peter was getting killed off again.

I will never read a Marvel comic again, I know most people don't give a shit but Ultimate Peter was MY Spider Man growing up, and the character that got me into comic books. I have nothing against the concept of Miles in theory, or even Ultimate Peter passing to torch to him and going off into the sunset, but killing Ultimate Peter is a slap in the face to everyone who grew up reading that character. Why the fuck should I care about Marvel if my favourite character can be murdered on a whim without any criticism just because their replacement is more diverse?

Imagine the fucking uproar if they treated Miles the same way they treated Peter.

>>88360984
You know, if they did that they could make Peter take the moniker Venom, and fulfill their wet dream of having Miles be Spider-Man on a permanent no-backsies basis.

>>88360990
>Could someone explain what's happened to Miles since Secret War?

The Ultimate characters that made the "jump" were literally weaved into the history of 616 and their lives were such that they were always there.

But during the event Miles had a stale hamburger up his ass that he gave to a hungry Molecule man so the guy did him a solid and retconned his mom back to life.

Since then he's teamed up with the Magic School Bus of diverse Marvel kiddies like Ms. Marvel and Gwenpool and Bombshell to fight crime and shit.

His mom hired a PI on him at one point who happened to be Jessica Jones who now knows his secret ID.

And that's pretty much all the major shit.

Oh Ganke's still cool

>>88361092

Yeah but then Peter would be the Superior Black Spider-Man, with the superior physical abilities and bantz.

He would totallt steal the "friendly neighborhood" from the Spider-Man title keep it for himself

>>88361169

How have they reconciled his backstory and stuff with the new continuity?

>>88360828
Hey, sometimes its a magic mirror.

>>88361169

I couldn't get past the first issue of Miles' 616 run because of the shameless fucking dicksucking Miles got, both in the way characters (including Peter himself) fellated him for existing, and how he literally oneshotted BLACKHEART with his unbelievably stupid venom thing.

Has he gotten a sembance of character development since then? All I hear is that he teams with this guy and this other guy, gets involved in this and that event, or kisses this and that girl. But is there personal growth?

>>88360990
Basically bendis OC character, do not steal, got transplanted on regular 616 universe, doesnt rember hes from the ultimate universe, and keeps doing jackshit as usual

His comic sales are basically shit, since hes not peter, only hanging on because of the name on the cover, deja vu anyone, so they keep doing more stupid shit like him and gwen kissing to see if their comics sell a bit more

I'll give this shit 1 to 2 years until cancellation

Wise the fuck up Marvel, get rid of bendis, get rid of black spider-man, get rid of slott, and put someone fresh writing spider-man again, and undo all the fuckery you've been doing to my favorite superhero

>>88361404
Not really no

Bendis is still basically doing the same shit that he was doing in the ultimate Marvel line

>>88354992
>>88359142
>>88359174
How would they even do it? Would Peter just be blue balled all the time?

>>88361314
>How have they reconciled his backstory and stuff with the new continuity?

They haven't. I'm honestly not sure which parts of his Ultimate backstory are canon, which are partial canon or fucking what.

>>88361404
>Has he gotten a sembance of character development since then? All I hear is that he teams with this guy and this other guy, gets involved in this and that event, or kisses this and that girl. But is there personal growth?

We've seen a small smidgen of insight into his relationship with his mother that wasn't there before.

But your post is accurate. He's been in 616 for a year and it's nothing but crossovers and he's already swept up in another event (which I've been pointedly ignoring the shit out of so maybe he gets some development in side comics)

He didn't even make an appearance in his most recent issue.

I mean his supporting cast is great as it always was and is one of the main reasons I still read the comic.

I think (and want to believe) Bendis probably had big plans for Miles when he was in the Ultimate universe, but with its death and the constant events they most likely had to be put on the wayside or scrapped for good.

>>88361463
Marvel has a wide number of problems, and the issue is that Bendis as bad as he is is a WRITING problem.
The writing is legitimately the LEAST of the problems they have; employee problems, management problems (oh my god the management problems), money problems, problems with being stuck as an IP farm and not being taken serious as a real company, a company insularity problem, etc.

Marvel has so many problems that they clearly only still exist via the patronage of Disney.

>>88361169
>They gave Ganke to the new Peter in the upcoming movie.

They just used the name of some rando character but it's literally Ganke. Im fookin miffed.

>>88361701
How is 616 miles doing on sales, personally i hope his book gets canned so we can finally get rid of this character

>>88361889
Decent. Not too well by Marvel standards, but not too low by Marvel standards either.

>>88362083
But its been going down right?

>>88362266
He received a boost because of two things.

He came to 616 and the title of his book change to just "Spider-Man". I don't know if it's been on a decline since the whole 616 thing or not.

>>88345633
Gwenpool is great, but Spider-Gwen has been shit since the Spider-women crossover.

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>>88346004
>"Peter Parker done /better/."
But that was Ultimate Peter Parker.

>>88350700
No, anon. USG's trades consistently sell in the top 10 and have more longevity than most Marvel trades. I hate the book too, but there's no denying that it does extremely well in trades. At least compared to its floppy sales.

>>88362823
A lot of people in the Ultimate universe were done better imo.
It's amazing how much character development & continuity you can get with a sole writer instead of a clusterfuck of multiples with different ideas.

>>88363175
They were done better because he had 40 years of story that he couldd take elements from and be more consistent with the story, but then that writer fucked everything up and killed peter for his OC do not steal oh so unique spider-man, leading to the end of the ultimate marvel, being the proverbial final nail in that coffin, oh well

>>88345839

Eat shit and die, Benis

>>88362635
>Gwenpool is great
0/10 bait

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>>88363565
Best book with Bartoc the Leaper in the market.

>>88363175
>>88363535
I swear Ultimate Spider-man was an amazing fluke, because Bendis is a piece of shit, and so was the rest of the Ultimate universe. It makes no sense that Ultimate Spidey was so good

>>88354068
Miles?

>>88363625
Ultimate spidey was good because he didnt have to think too much on an original plot, he already got 40 to 50 years of 616 pete to take shit from

>>88345645
Gwenpool went for Miles already. We don't want her back.

>>88363400
Agreed. Once Bendis was no longer able to just retell 616 Parker's stories the writing went down the toilet.

>>88363957
I dunno, looking back on it, I don't think it was nearly as good as people remember it. Pretty much all of the drama revolves around the fact that Peter can't keep his identity a secret.

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>>88345633

Good, back to niche mode.

The farther Gwenpool is from the top tier, the less Marvel will want to "diversify" her.

>>88363953
Miles didn't want her too.

>>88364399
But anon, she has already been culturally enriched: >>88346297

>>88364499

That's only cover art.

I realize the tremendous of irony of using that response, specifically where it concerns Miles and a Gwen.

>>88364548
>That's only cover art.
She's falling head over heels for him in the issue, too. Miles just doesn't let her

>>88364606

No way, she just wanted to be superbuddies with him.

>>88345633
I hope so. It's time for the transgender, retarded zombie Muslim characters to shine!

>>88345633
I'm still so mad she's getting Blacked. fucked Bendis.

>>88352725
Too bad miles isnt mtf, he could be the real black widow

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>>88361242
>venom spiderman with a design thats a hybrid of iron spider and venom
I didnt know I could care about marvel still but I want this badly

>>88359898
>Granddaughter enters a good relationship with cop.
>Is powerless to stop BF from getting killed.
>Rebound BF takes complete advantage of her emotional crisis

>>88360144
>She had children, it's a her.

The symbiote is genderless.

>>88359959
>AU where the symbiote bonded not with Brock but with a batshit insane Spidey fangirl.

I'd read that.

>>88359723
>I'd love to read an arc where we explore the sentient side of the symbiote

Then go read Separation Anxiety, The Hunger, the 90s Planet of the Symbiotes, etc.

>>88359959

I once read a porn comic with this premise, except it was three fangirls instead of just one.

>>88345633
>4 miles morales crossover
>written by brian michael bendis
sounds like she's going to die in more ways than one.

also, why would they give a love interest to a character who barely has her own life together. thats just irresponsible

>>88368906
>why would they give a love interest to a character who barely has her own life together

No writer gives a shit with what is going on in the solo Spider-Gwen book.

Just look at how she is written in Spider-Verse, Clone Conspiracy or Web Warriors. Might as well be a completely different character.

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>>88368906
>>88369125
>No writer gives a shit with what is going on in the solo Spider-Gwen book.
Pretty much this. All of that self-loathing, numerous depression episodes and dwindling sanity points gets thrown out the window for the default "Snarky Costumed Heroine" you see in the team books and crossovers.

Hell, In Clone Conspiracy she's able to perfectly masquerade as her 616 counterpart despite being significantly younger and barely matching the physical profile. But nobody gives a fuck for as long as they can tell their own stories without a hitch, Latour be damned.

>>88345633
Implying you don't want to continue to see lewd fanart of Gwen in her costume.

>>88369306
When DID Gwen die actually?

>>88369306
Its to the point where Marvel says its all the same character, but its fuckin' impossible to figure out any form of continuity.

Where in a read order would Web Warriors go when reading the solo Spider-Gwen book, for example? It doesn't lineup with friggin' anything.

>>88369439
She didn't. She was hallucinating.

>>88369614
Web Warriors was a fucking mistake that tried to repair the damage done by Spider-Verse and failed miserably at it. I would have preferred another Noir mini over that pile of nothing.

>>88369809
I don't disagree. But that really doesn't address the issue.

Where the fuck would the series go in a Spider-Gwen reading order? I imagine something like this:

>Spider-Gwen v1
>Spider-Verse event
>Spider-Gwen v2
>Secret Wars: Spider-Verse
>Web Warriors
>Clone Conspiracy event
>Bullshit crossover with Miles

Am I right?

>>88364956
The problem isn't that she's getting blacked. It happens in real life, you know, why can't it happen in comics.

The problem is that suddenly most popular white female character got blacked one after another, while all other types of interracial are very rare. It feels like a weird editorial push, which gets even creepier if you consider the rich history of editors/writers inserting their sexual fetishes into mainstream comics (coughclaremontcough) and the fact that coincidentally this type of interracial is the only one that's been turned into a sexual fetish by white people.

>>88369902
>Bullshit crossover with Miles
You mean, the most touching, romantic, heartwrenching love story in comics!

>>88369941
Sorry, I meant to say:

>Statutory Rape: The Comic

>>88369966
He's 17 and in NY nothing statutory rape about it.

>>88370003
He's 16.

>>88370025
Says you

>>88369923
This.
Why can't Marvel let love be colorblind

>>88370152
Says the actual book. But I wouldn't expect Miles "fans" to actually know anything about the character. Sales show that no one reads his book.

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>>88369923
>suddenly most popular white female character
>most popular female character
>most popular

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>>88369902
Your missing that shitty Spider-Women event where Gwen, 616 Jessica and Silk had to fight an evil Cindy Moon from Gwen's verse. Also I think Clone Conspiracy happens somewhere in the middle of the events of Web Warriors, so it would be something like:
>Spider-Gwen v1
>Spider-Verse
>Web Warriors
>Clone Conspiracy
>Spider-Gwen v2
>Spider-Women event
>The BLACKENING of Gwendolyn Stacy
At least that's what I can put together from what I read so far.

>>88370578

Man Silks costume is pretty cool, but what a fucking mess verything from the neck up is.

>Red scarf that completely breaks the aesthetics for no reason.

It ain't a spider without Spidey eyes, ideally also covering the mouth unlike other spider-women.

>>88370578
>Your missing that shitty Spider-Women event where Gwen, 616 Jessica and Silk had to fight an evil Cindy Moon from Gwen's verse

That would be during Spider-Gwen v2.

How does having v2 AFTER Clone Conspiracy work?

>>88370677
As one anon said, it should be a crime for half-masks to be a thing on Spider-Women. It never looks as appealing as a full-face mask, Mayday and Gwen are testaments to that fact.

>>88370680
>How does having v2 AFTER Clone Conspiracy work?
Kaine gets brought back shortly after the events of Spider-Verse and was looking into the Carrion virus BS while the Web Warriors are still out and about. Gwen finds him snooping around the facility they were in and ends up getting herself involved in his plight while the others continue their multiversal shenanigans.

>>88370916
>Kaine gets brought back shortly after the events of Spider-Verse and was looking into the Carrion virus BS while the Web Warriors are still out and about. Gwen finds him snooping around the facility they were in and ends up getting herself involved in his plight while the others continue their multiversal shenanigans.

Literally none of this has anything to do with what is happening in Spider-Gwen v2.

>>88370578
>>Spider-Gwen v2

You realize that is the currently running Spider-Gwen solo book, right?

v1 - http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Spider-Gwen_Vol_1

v2 - http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Spider-Gwen_Vol_2

>>88370460
Gwen is pretty popular, by Marvel female character standards.

Does anybody have a picture of that issue of Nova where Young Jean and Miles talk about the time they met with Sam as third wheel?

I'm trying to explain to someone why Miles is a confusing mess.

>>88371018
>Literally none of this has anything to do with what is happening in Spider-Gwen v2.
I'm mainly going with the assumption that the events of Clone Conspiracy is over with by the time v2 gets running with it's main plot line (in contrast to Spider-Women which clearly happens during the run).

>>88371234
>You realize that is the currently running Spider-Gwen solo book, right?
Yes. I'm listing by possible time of debut in a rough chronological order. Spider-Women and Miles would be happening during v2's run while Clone Conspiracy and Web Warriors would have already occurred beforehand.

But that's just me trying to make sense of a situation where it's clear writers like Slott and Bendis or editorial (possibly both) don't care about continuity for as long as they can make their own stories get off the ground.

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>>88371277
You mean this page?

>>88371534

Yes Thanks.

>>88371277
>>88371534

Care to explain here too? I'm not quite getting this page either.

>>88371534
What a bitch

>>88371689

Miles and Jean met before Secret Wars when the All New X-Men went to the Ultimate Universe.

Now that Miles has been imported into 616, how exactly does that work?

Bendis has been vague with how much Miles remembers, forcing other writers to try and answer that. This page >>88371534
from Nova's book shows Jean and Miles seemingly remembering how they originally met.

Whereas when Miles met Gwenpool, he had no memory of his mom dying in the Ultimate Universe.

>>88371874

Jesus Christ Bendis.

Just mercy kill this character already.

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>>88371913

Here's the page of Miles not remembering his mom died.

>>88371955
She's an author avatar, isn't she?

>>88372005

She's a mess, but I read her book for Batroc the Leaper and the rest of M.O.D.O.K.

>>88363625
>I swear Ultimate Spider-man was an amazing fluke, because Bendis is a piece of shit, and so was the rest of the Ultimate universe. It makes no sense that Ultimate Spidey was so good

It's not really that strange.

Ultimate Spider-Man started out with the basic concept of "take the Stan Lee/Steve Ditko Spider-Man and re-do those stories and characters with a modern point of view". They also branched out and grabbed a little bit of later 616 Spidey stories, basically cherry picking the best stuff from over the years. It's the same kind of approach that made the Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon so great, it successfully synthesized everything good about Spider-Man into a single run. Of course, Bendis did put his own spin on things in changing characters around which sometimes worked (like ultimate Aunt May or Green Goblin) and sometimes didn't work so well (ultimate Carnage/clone saga). Bendis' run on Daredevil is similar to this and also is pretty good, it mines the best DD stories of the past in order to get good starting material.

It's when Bendis has to come up with the whole framework of the series from scratch that he stumbles and fails. Stuff like Alias, Avengers, X-Men and Iron Man all has him trying to do "his own thing" and it just doesn't work because Bendis' own ideas just aren't very strong. His whole idea for Miles seems to be "Peter Parker but black" for example with no real concern about what makes Miles unique.

So yeah it's not that weird. Bendis has just strayed far far from his comfort zone.

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>>88371934
This reminds me that Teen Jean also wanted the Spider-BBC.

>>88372005

Gwenpool is from the 'real world'. She doesn't treat any of what she's experiencing in 616 and it's bitten her in the ass more than once. If she was an author avatar she'd get away with this shit.

Miles actually threw her in jail for attempting to kill someone.

>>88372056
>for attempting to kill someone.
Who and why?

>>88372112

School bomber, apparently it was a dropped storyline in Ultimate Spider-Man that got recycled since Secret Wars happened. They find the kid and she goes and shoots him.

>>88372112
>>88372141

Oh and the why I believe because she's trying to prevent the "reocurring villain" crap, and since she just doesn't treat the Marvelverse lie a real place she doesn't thin anything of commiting murder.

I seriously hope at some point she realizes it's all real despite being fictional and all murders come bac at her full force.

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>>88372112
>>88372141
>>88372174
Might as well show the scene in question

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>>88372374

>Blush over mask

W-H-Y

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>>88372419

>>88371874
I don't think Bendis has any idea how Miles' continuity works himself.

All he cares about is shilling is his own OC at any cost. Regardless of logic or writing quality.

>>88345633
>Is the Gwen Stacy fad finally dying at Marvel?
What's dying is Marvel

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>>88372466

>>88372419
>>88372466
>>88372498

Geez, Gwenpool is a fucking sociopath.

>>88372469

>Peter Parker gets killed ro protect Miles
>While in Miles' arms, his body dissolves
>TURNS OUT ALL THIS TIME PETER WAS A WHITEWASHED CLONE, MILES MORALES WAS THE REAL SPIDER-MAN
>yfw

>>88372543

I think that would be the one thing that would finally get me to drop Marvel.

Not even Ewing's U.S.Avengers is worth crap like that happening in the same universe.

>>88372531
Ya. Because none of this is real dude. You're just an NPC in my amazing life story.

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>>88372498
>>88372531
There's a reason why Miles punches her out here >>88351708 before she can do any more damage.

>>88372578

But anon think about it, all this time the flashbacks were wrong.

Miles' Parker's race would be explained because Ben Parker was actually black all this time. It would be the most progressive thing in the current year.

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>>88372543
>mfw

>>88355485
>ruined chest cavity

And they say you can't die of a broken heart.

>>88348345
You don't know what shotacon means do you?

>>88372589
>I'm not crazy, Spider-Man

Yes you are, Gwen. Just not in the way Miles thinks you are.

>>88372466
Gotta say, that wrapped pretty neatly around her neck. Is his webbing not sticky or what?

>>88359932
Nicti?

>finally bother to look up what Gwenpool is
So she's Dreadpool Gwen, but less crazy but more of a bitch?

That's fucking horrible, why would anyone read her?

>>88372653
>Is his webbing not sticky or what?

It is, but being Miles, his powers/tools do whatever the fuck the story needs them to do. You know, because Miles is a special snowflake that everyone loves and only says wonderful things about.

>>88372771
Or, you know, he has different formulations of web for different purposes just like fucking Peter.

>>88372815
>he has different formulations of web for different purposes just like fucking Peter.

Show me one fucking example of that being shown.

Oh wait, you can't.

Fucking Milesfags.

>>88372771
>>88372815
You know, a regular person might have their neck broken there.

>>88372767

We're waiting for her to get blown the fuck out and the lesson actually STICKS this time.

>>88372815
You don't know anything about Miles, do you?

I bet you couldn't even tell me where Miles' webbing even comes from in the first place.

>>88372911
>I bet you couldn't even tell me where Miles' webbing even comes from in the first place.
Peter's web shooters.

>>88372890
>You know, a regular person might have their neck broken there.
Nobody's gonna break their neck from getting clotheslined.

You'd have to, I don't know, be suddenly caught mid air during a rapid fall or something to have your neck broken from a tug of webbing.

>>88372944
>Peter's web shooters.
Yeah, and that webbing is just formed out of some mysterious pocket dimension the shooters have, amirite?

>>88373008
>Nobody's gonna break their neck from getting clotheslined.

Depends on how hard you hit your neck. You definitely could break a person's neck doing that.

Why don't you give it a try yourself, anon. Just hit it as hard as you possibly can. Then report back.

>>88373040
I'm ADD. I assure you I've been clotheslined before. By actual line.

>>88373093
Actually it was cable to be specific. Hurt like a bitch.

>>88373093
>I represent every possible variable

kek ok

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>>88372767
>So she's Dreadpool Gwen, but less crazy but more of a bitch?
She's comic fangirl trapped in 616 who attempts to use her knowledge of the world and literary tropes to her advantage which backfires since it only enables her to act like a crazy sociopath who eventually either gets called out or gets her shit pushed in by other more established characters.

>why would anyone read her?
1.) Hastings
2.) Gurihiru's art
3.) Similar to what >>88372897 said, we like seeing her get BTFO and want to see if she actually develops as a character because of it versus reverting back to a reckless GTA protag again.

>>88372644
Her reasoning is not wrong though, if they had killed all the villains when they were in the making Marvel universe would be a better place

>>88373171
Or you'd have a bunch of mutants and mutates powerful enough to keep all the villains in check with no formative direction in life set loose upon an unprepared world and it's just Civil War and vs comics 24/7.

>>88373213

>implying that isn't Marvel's current state with Inhumans VS X-Men happening right after Civil War 2

>>88373171
But in this case Gwen not only attempts to murder a dumb minor in his own home while his mother was still inside but expected Miles, a Spider-Adjacent, to be perfectly fine with it.

Gwen did everything wrong despite knowing how things work in capeshit and rightfully got arrested for it.

>>88373280
The entire Terrigen bomb arc is fucking retarded.

Inhumans will be in the exact same fucking situation mutants are in down the road due to secondary terrigenesis from the cloud as demonstrated by all those Bird People Inhumans getting fucked up.

Their end game is literally turn into monsters and die and take the mutant race down with them because Black Bolt couldn't deal with Thanos.

>>88373424

I feel like Marvel should make another attempt at making a separate universe of comics like Ultimate. Only make sure writers actually adhere to continuity and don't do stupid shit, so it doesn't turn into the shithole that Ultimate was.

>>88346114
>More interesting than 1610 Peter, sure
Fuck right off. Ultimate Peter was the best iteration of the character we've gotten in a long time, and his early stories are still some of the best.

Question, Is Spider-Gwen still supposed to be crazy or has that changed?

>>88352549
I honestly wish Miles just had a different title, it's just dumb to have two heroes called "Spider-Man".

>>88372374
>>88372392
>>88372419
>>88372466
>>88372498
>>88372589

I like the notion of someone going from our world, to the comic book world, but because they struggle to deal with the fact it's real and not a comic book anymore, and the fact that being able to know what works from an outsider perspective and think you know everything everyone else thinks from a totally abstract perspective, would end up turning said person into a complete and utter sociopath because to them it's like Skyrim except the danger is real so they can't just go for the feels before reals option because it's not logical. Eventually they just become a super villain before their heroes reject them and they end up like some sort of Patrick Bateman/Freeman's Mind esque psychopath, unable to tell reality from fiction.

>>88374191
Spider-Noir

>>88374191
>>88374345
Just rename him "Arachnid".