What is the key to Harley Quinn's appeal, and what do you

Complete whore, and she appeals to the whore crowd, but considering the age we live in I guess it could be worse

>>88297896

Did you delete the other thread and make this one because it had actual discussion instead of shitposting?

>>88298016
It'd be funny if he actually did it because of it

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>>88297896
I like old damaged goods Harley. The deranged and genuinely pitiful minion of the Joker. She was in no way heroic, and the polar opposite of a role model, but she was a great character and highly effective in her role.

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>>88298016
No, I didn't delete the other thread. I figured it was deleted because the OP's post seemed too much like bait.

>Why is the most popular female supervillain a gullible domestic abuse victim? Really makes you think.

I don't see the problem, but whatever. I worded the OP post a lot less provocatively in hopes that we'll get the same level of discussion and the thread won't be deleted.

>>88297896
>What is the key to Harley Quinn's appeal

I wouldn't know.

>nd what do you personally think of her character?

Boring. I enjoy the concept of the Joker slowly corrupting Dr. Harleen Quinzel. But any point after she would snap and effectively becomes Harley, she ceases to be interesting.

>What's your take on her current trajectory and surge in popularity?
Unwarranted and unwanted. I can't begin to imagine why a character who started as basically the Joker's piece of ass/henchwoman is so popular.

>>88298139

Okay, cool. As long as we are recognizing that this is a continuation of the previous thread. Sorry for assuming the worst, OP.

>>88298154
>I can't begin to imagine why a character who started as basically the Joker's piece of ass/henchwoman is so popular.
I think she did really well as the Joker's sidekick. She really broke out as her own character and really enhanced the Joker's portrayal and screen presence as well. And of course her design was memorable.

>>88297896
A post from the last thread I thought was very well put:

Because she had a unique gimmick that was sexy, funny, or genuinely sad depending on the presentation of the moment and who was writing her, all without changing any of the actual details. Harley is just a good character, and one of the best things that B:TAS invented right alongside Mister Freeze's sympathetic backstory.


She is overexposed these days, and popular characters tend to get ruined because they get passed around the office and different writers feel obligated to throw their own unique spin on things until it builds up into a shit heap. But the core concept of her character is solid yet flexible.

Besides, who is her competition for best female villain? Probably some femme fatale wannabe-superhero-girlfriend in the vein of catwoman, who can't keep a consistent personality from panel to panel much less issue to issue.

>>88298297
>She is overexposed these days, and popular characters tend to get ruined because they get passed around the office and different writers feel obligated to throw their own unique spin on things until it builds up into a shit heap. But the core concept of her character is solid yet flexible.
Didn't the same thing happened to Deadpool?

>>88297896
For boys, she's sexy and devoted

For girls, especially teenagers, she's what they want to be. Sexy, confident, rebellious

She's the female equivalent of like a guy who wears leather jackets, sunglasses and says "Pssh, nothing personal"

>>88297896
She was one of the most interesting Bat-villains of 90s. Her character is ruined after The New 52.

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I like how broken Harley was. Cartoonishly wacky, sure. Cute, sure. But also dangerous and broken inside. As illustrated by the way she always returned to the Joker.

Is she still broken, or is she too cool for that now?

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>pink and blue
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>88297968
Correct.

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>>88297968
Hurm. I wonder who could be behind this post.

>>88298811
a good old "abattoir full of retarded children" Rorschach

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>>88297896
Always liked Harley, currently hate how they're handling her solo. It's just terrible writing and characterization (if there even is one). Also I agree with this >>88298297 and I'll add that without the Joker in the picture she's less compelling.

>>88297896
Her relationship with Joker.

Seriously, that's it. She is a totally fucked up very smart woman who knows being with Joker is very bad, but she just can't help it. Her biology overrules her intellect.

Everything about the character is framed around this, and its why women love her. She is their paradise and nightmare fantasies rolled into one. She's a strong woman, a psychiatrist, who understands how the human mind works, but cannot even control herself, and does anything for that Joker dick, for that Joker slap, for that Joker beating. She doesn't care. Her reproductive system overrides her higher brain function, and she will fight all of heaven and hell just for another chance to get fucked or even beaten by Joker.

Everything else Harley does is just her trying to cope without him, or resist going back to him, including her lesbian relationship with Ivy.

This is the appeal of Harley. She's immediately identifiable to every woman with a working sexual system.

>>88297896
It has to do with being unapologetically trashy

>>88298896
>OPs pic
>a contest
That's what New 52 Joker should have done with all those wannabe Harleys instead of just killing them: drop each one in different parts of the country to see who can cause the most mayhem and migraines for the Bat. The winner gets to find out how long they can avoid being killed by her puddin'.

She is the most versatile character ever created. She can be a heroine, antiheroine, villainess, straight edge sidekick, comic relief sidekick, the main character, a supporting character, a background gag, a positive role model, a negative personification, a cautionary tale or even a tragic figure and never once be out of character. Harley Quinn is that lightning in a bottle combination of personality and backstory that lets her be anything anyone wants her to be and still be herself.

There isn't another fictional character in history that possesses that quality.

>>88299222
I think you might be giving her a little *too* much credit, but nice trips.

>>88297896
Every teenage girl can relate to her because she's so quirky xd

It's really "in" right now for some reason and when SS was first released I saw it all over social media.

>>88299324
She became the world's most prominent female comic book/cartoon character in just five to twenty years depending on how you view things.

With Harley, ther's no such thing as too much crediy.

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>>88299452
I created the thread after the other thread got deleted, probably for being "makes you think" bait, and I can assure you no one is paying me for the privilege of looking at your clowngirl fart fetish pics.

>>88299512
>I'm about UNPAID intern.

Did you expect me to respect you at all after telling me that?

>>88297896
>What is the key to Harley Quinn's appeal
Hear appearances in B:TAS that portrayed her as a villain that was near a victim as all of her actual victims were. A few episodes with her in it were especially sad about her.
Being cute helped too.

I don't think anything of her because you neee to clarify; which version of Harley? There's like three major characterizations of her over various media and all are quite different.

>What's your take on her current trajectory and surge in popularity?
She doesn't really have one.
/tg/ thinks "well-known" means "popular", when it fact all means is that those who are not comic-literate finally knows who the character is. At best they know about the outfit and costume and basic origins.

In the comics her trajectory is capitalizing off of WB's pushing of her and making it semi-successful, but it's slowed down by the fact that she doesn't really have an "iconic" characterization and so instead they've borrowed a lot of inspiration from Deadpool and She-Hulk.
It works I suppose, but when something works when it comes to comics it's not so much "successful" by public definition and more "hovering barely above loosing money for the company".

>>88297896
She's sympathetic and fun. People latch onto a sympathetic and fun character. Also in this day and age, being a woman, an abuse victim at that, gets you points with the sjw crowd.

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>>88297968

>>88297896
>that perky original Harley
Instead, all the general public will associate her with the "so insane and dangerous xD" idiot that the movie sharted out.

Criminal genki girl, and the Brooklyn accent didn't hurt.

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>>88297896
Popular with casuals who enjoyed Kick Ass and Deadpool movies, as well as with "Le Comic Gurls" to project themselves onto

>>88298652
In the movie, at least, she was decidedly not too cool for that. They just downplayed and romanticized Joker's abuse, instead.

>>88297896
broadly, guys like her because she is hot, women like her because she is a well written woman, comic fans like her because she is pretty cool

she is several comic creators wifu, so got a lot of push

that made her appear popular, because they put effort in because they like her and she got some good stories that sold because they were good

that created a feed-back loop of author pushing-quality-sales-executive pushing

over the last five years, it became obvious she would be in the suicide squad movie, so she got even more push that foregrounded her further, so people know she exists, making her as popular (minimum) as green arrow

then she was actually in a movie so the normies like her more just for that

>>88300058
Nice phonepost faggot

>>88297896
A fucking porn game ahs a better harley than current harley.

>>88300349
Can you do me a favor, and give me the game's name? For purely research purposes, of course

>>88300058
>narwhal tooth on a horse
Why do people do this?

>>88300432
Something to do with mythology I think. Probably some weird pagan thing that got co-opted and rolled up into Christianity somehow.

>>88300469
actually its idiot European early AD monks making shitty drawings of rhino, then poets getting fanciful, which back-contaminated folklore

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>>88299106

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>What is the key to Harley Quinn's appeal
Fond memories of her original version from Bruce Timm's BTAS and comics.
The reason anyone gives a shit about her in her current incarnations in videogames and movies is the fucking incredible characterization and character design she had in her original appearance.
Now she's incredibly bland and coasting on her original reputation.

surge in popularity? people have always wanted to fuck her. That is the LITERAL APPEAL!!

PEOPLE JUST WANT TO FUCK HER

>>88297896
Original Harley was entertaining because she was a woman who was slowly convinced that she was denying herself by trying to live within society's rules. She abandoned it all to live in a fantasy with a violent lunatic, but doesn't see the problem because she's just having fun and everyone else is just being giant sticks in the mud by trying to stop them.

>>88297896
she'sa subby little bottom

>>88298896
they messed her up long before that.

A marginally empathetic character associated with Batman's arch enemy.

>>88298016
OP's can't delete their own threads anymore so probably not

>>88301046
yep. The only canon Harley is the BTAS one.

>>8830040
Something Unlimited......not even joking.

>>88297968

This. Men like whores and women secretly want to be whores. Harley is a complete lack of inhibitions and people find it incredibly interesting.

>>88297896
Harley is insane, co-dependant and wacky.

Harley is at her best when she's playing off a straight man which is why i find her insufferable in her own series.

Despite being wacky she's actual incredibly competent when she puts her mind to something, but without someone to lead her her plans end up scattered and unrefined. This bugs the Joker because, if left alone, Harley does what he does even better than him.

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>>88303909
>This bugs the Joker because, if left alone, Harley does what he does even better than him.

>>88297968
>considering the age we live in

/pol/?

>>88303909
I'm torn, I like the old school Harley and Joker pair but it eventual leads down the same story
>Joker takes it too far
>She leaves
>Teams up with Ivy
>Ends back with Joker anyway

>>88302082
There is nothing wrong with being a whore.

>>88305549
I liked the comic series where Harley kinda went around working as a sidekick for a bunch of different people before becoming her own love themed crime boss for a short while before everything blew up in her face again and she killed her best henchman

>>88297896
It's weird her pre-NU52 books sold like garbage and NU52 Suixide Squad sold like garbage.

It's only her Conner and Palmiotti book that people actually like.

I only liked her character in TAS run. I kinda don't like how they made her into a slut.

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>>88297896

Because she's totally crazy random like me lolololol!!!!1!!

#relationshipgoals

>What is the key to Harley Quinn's appeal

Cramming her down peoples' throats until they love her, like a bad case of Stockholm's Syndrome. Also, she gave a bunch of people their first boners.

>and what do you personally think of her character?

Can't stand her, and she was only tolerable at best in the DCAU.

>>88300995
...yes.

>>88298652
Now shes more craaazy and dangerous than the joker. Its the reason waller recruits her to fight a god

>>88298378
OTOH Deadpool works as a stand-alone character. You can't really write Harley without bringing in her whole story with the Joker, and his story with Batman. And even then you still don't have much to work with.

>>88306156
That was a great run. It really pushed just how competent she could be when motivated, and that despite her charm and innocent demeanor, she really was a dangerous person who deserved to be locked up.

>>88306925

Coming from you that doesn't mean much.

Harley Quinn has always walked that fine line of being a hero and a villain which is what makes her appealing. Anyone can take a character like that and go either way with it. There is nothing concrete about her except her sanity.

>>88297896
She a Hot Topic Rape Victim.
...
So she an alright character in small doses.

>>88310739
Don't respond to him.
Tripfags feed of attention, and I would really like it if Boco starved to death.

>Batman dresses like a bat
>Catwoman dresses like a cat
>Joker dresses like a clown
>Harley Quinn dresses like a punk whore

>>88297896
bad girls are hot especially when they are also bimbos?
its not really rocket science, i love when braindead feminist complain about harley pandering to horny men, not shit sherlock
chances are if a girl where to become a super villain she would want to be hot and sleep with the coolest one anyways

Can't stand her and never saw the appeal.

>>88310776
>bad girls are hot especially when they are also bimbos?
That's not true those. Slutty bad girls are boring. Bad girls that are pure are hot.

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Many women - not all, but most - want to do whatever they please without inhibition. They want the ability to say and do whatever they feel while some universal force they don't comprehend smiles upon them and declares "it's alright, what you have just done is just and true somehow because it felt good." They essentially want plot armor to handwave their moral transgressions and they want the ability to do whatever they want. People who say power fantasies are purely a male thing don't understand why characters like Harley (and indeed most maniac pixie girl characters) resonate in the female mind, particularly evil renditions.

Similarly, they want someone with an identical blessing to accompany them on this deranged and self-gratifying journey. They want someone who does and says whatever they feel and gets away with it, all while reserving the Harley in question as "that one exception." They want a man who is strong and confident and dominant, who battles the entire world to get what they want and wins, and they're willing to accept any degree of abuse if he embodies all of these qualities yet still keeps them on board for the ride. This has been true for about as long as apes have been breeding and it will continue to be true because that is how weaker women have evolved to survive.

In contract, women don't want a Batman. Despite Batman being strong, confident, wealthy and almost always winning, he is a solitary and reserved creature. He does not enable being a stupid amoral asshole. If you act like Harley Quinn and try to cry on Batman's chest when shit starts to go south, he's going to tell you outright you had this coming and won't coddle you. The Joker will insult you, berate you, beat you and probably come close to killing you, but he'll still drag you back in and shelter your idiocy in the end. Batman doesn't do this. He sends you to jail because you aren't special, and more than anything pathetic Harley-worshiping women want to feel special.

>>88297896
Today? Marketing and the "lol random xD unique" posture.

>>88302082
>>88305599
There is nothing interesting about it either. Literally anyone can make the decision to not care what society thinks of them, Harley just takes it upon herself to become the Joker's smacked ass on top of it.

>>88310850

Hello Schopenhauer

>>88310850
Man, and here I thought my rum I'm drinking was bitter and then I read all this.
Maybe relax a bit and talk to someone about your issues rather like slicing your wrists open just so you can directly inject poison into the veins dude.
It's your choice of course, but your method never got anyone anything worth having or anything that they actually wanted and that seems like a bad deal for you to me.

>>88310850
That's pure poetry.

>>88310890
They're 100% right, whiteknight.

>>88310890

I hope my explanation has hurt you, not because I enjoy pain but because it means you have digested it somehow.

>>88297896
Once upon a time she was a funny and genuinely refreshing character who contributed something interesting to the Batman mythos.

Then Heath Ledger Joker happened and DC decided they needed a Deadpool and, well, the rest is history.

>>88310904
Never knighted for anybody.
Too much work for no payoff. It's against my general life choices to put constant work into something and not even get anything like warm feelings for it.
It's just a poor investment of time and effort overall you know?
>>88310914
It didn't, but clearly you've got some hurt you need to get off your chest.
I'm not saying you have to do it here (not really board-appropriate content), or that you even have to do it at all for that matter.
It IS your life of course, all I did was make a suggestion.

>>88297896
This is a promotional thread. This is paid shilling.

>>88310953
>expressing an opinion means I have issues

I don't think you understand people, least of all women. More importantly I won't pretend all women like or want to be Harley Quinn because people are made with many different outcomes. But the sort of weak, selfish, licentious, self-centered brats who want to become Harley rather than just marvel at her misadventures can all be summarily dismissed as awful people. If you disagree then I'm tempted to dismiss you in the same way unless you're prepared to provide a genuine thoughtful rebuttal.

>>88310992
I suppose that makes sense.
Actually, the vast majority of women (girls really, calling most of them women does a disservice to adults) who like the costumes she wears but basically know nothing else about the character, often up to and including the fact that her she is a joke and a play on words.
The majority didn't read comics, never watched much B:TAS and if they did can barely remember a single episode. One of them did, but it was the episode with HARDAC and robot the Marilyn Munroe looking chick. One of them hadn't even seen Suicide Squad for that matter. Two were absolutely convinced that Batman and Harley were lovers at some point because they either heard that or saw a picture somewhere.
Basically they mostly liked her because she was easy to cosplay as and they liked to cosplay. Them being Harley "fans" only really revealed that their fandom was fairly shallow and they were acquainted with only the basics of the character, and sometimes not even that.
The two I knew who were more familiar with her in the detailed sense were old enough to more accurately remember the B:TAS cartoon and liked her there but were not "fans" of the character. They just actually knew about her beyond what her outfit looked like.

So I feel like despite her sudden newfound "popularity", they basically aren't so much "fans" as they are aware that the character exists now I guess, and like to play dress up sometimes, either for attention or for the usual reason girls dress up (for themselves).

But yeah; if they liked her and knew more about her for the reasons you described I'd be inclined to buy into your theory.

>>88310697
What run was that?

>>88311129
Or the short version; most of the self-confessed Harley fans who belong to the female gender were like football fans who had a hard time remembering which teams were from where, who played for who, who wore what colors, or how the rules of the game worked but watched a game or two on TV once in awhile and decided they liked it.
They would technically be "fans" since anyone at all could be a fans, but they would basically lacked any and all relevant knowledge of the subject, even on a basic conversational level.

The vast majority of Harley Quinn fans I've met are men, actually.

>>88311129
>the usual reason girls dress up (for themselves).
why the fuck do women do that anyway?

>>88311176
Women just like dressing up.
Let me put in this way; you never hear about girls playing with Barbies so they can show off how well-dressed their Barbie is to the Ken doll or real-life guys.

They just like dressing up Barbie.
Later on in life they can hopefully actually afford clothes like Barbie dresses up in and can fit in them and so do the same thing for personal enjoyment.
Now apply the same logic to nerdier chicks who were never into Barbie but liked superheroes and cartoons and you have the reason why so many women in our little areas of interest are into cosplaying and costume stuff.

If you mean why as in "why do they like it at all", then fuck if I know.

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>>88298811
Well, he's not wrong.

>>88298652

Always love this shot.

>>88310850
>Many women - not all, but most - want to do whatever they please without inhibition.
That's what everyone wants anon

>>88297896
She's a sexy clown you want to fuck.

I think she's a sexy clown I want to fuck.

It's dumb because she's damaged goods, going back to the Joker because she's obsessed with him. She's only popular because "le geeky girls xD" want to seem cool and really reach hard to try to give her character positive traits when there really is none.
Case in point, when a bunch of tumblr girls took a panel out of Injustice where Harley rips on Doctor Fate for not being a real doctor while she technically is certified and they started wanking themselves off saying Harley has always been a character standing up for women's representation.

>>88311131
Karl Kessel, Harley Quinn 2000

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>>88311254
WHAT the FUCK

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>>88311254
All according to keikaku.

Harley's original popularity came from the fact that she was the self-proclaimed girlfriend of the Joker, and not much else. She was a curiosity in the fact that no one could figure out how the Joker landed such a good looking and seemingly competent woman by his side.

What made her popular in her own right was the fact that she was deemed insane and this seemed to be be correct in the fact that not only did she stay no matter how badly she was treated, but over the course of time you could see that Joker's insanity was rubbing off on her. If you watch B:TAS you notice that more and more in each episode she seems to be a lot less sane and more incompetent in each appearance. You come to realize that her insanity is her love for the Joker.

IMO the current trend and popularity with Harley comes from the SS movie and the current feminization of comics. She's a safe character that writers can use. She has some appeal with male fans and she cane be written to appease the feminists who are always whining about women in comics.

Now i do not think she is a bad character, but she risks being over used and then tossed aside when no one cares. Much like the Joker uses her. I suspect DC will do the same thing eventually.

>>88297896
I don't like her. Don't even watch porn with her.

>>88297896
I think it's her color scheme.
They same girls who love Harley also adore Thor, Deadpool, and Bucky.
All four of these characters are mostly Red, Black, and White/silver.

>>88297896
DC wants the lolrandom crowd. Girl's love her because she's quirky and cool and great for self inserting into.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XhIq6g6dxY

first clip from this is pretty much why I love her as a character.

She isn't just some damaged damsel in distress waiting to be pulled from her puddin and rehabilitated. She's just as murderous as Joker but really only gets that way when faced with rejection.

Nu-52 obviously has nothing to do with this characterization and I don't know why anyone loves her other than crazy person with breasts.

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I like Harley and the Joker as Batman's occasional rapists.

As someone with a laundry list of psychotic and personality disorders, I'm really really sick and tired of the whole "broken crazy" misunderstanding about Harley. like the idea that the joker made Harley "snap" and that she's just crazy and totally beyond reason. i feel like its just a real "sane person" perspective on mental illness, and also that sane people kinda find that kind of insanity romantic. all they see is someone actin irrationally and they try to imitate it by writing insane characters as irrational. there's also an obsession among sane people with the idea of someone "snapping" and "going crazy" and from that point on nothing they do makin any sense--a point where they become pure instinct or lol random or "edgy" or whatever other trope the writer wants to use to excuse the fact that they are unable and unwilling to understand mentally ill characters and their very real and thought out--if warped--motivations.

Mentally ill characters don't "not make sense." everyone operates on reason, even crazy people. It isn't that it doesn't make sense, it's that their perception of the world is skewed. when you're crazy, you don't feel it in your mind, it's everywhere else. it's everyone else. everyone is just doing what they think is right, and that's all anyone ever does. in most modern Harley stories, the joker is inexplicable and Harley's mental illness boils down to "she went crazy" like crazy is a sort of thing you change into, but that's just what it looks like from the outside.

One of the biggest things psychosis does, in my experience, is take something tiny. unimportant. coincidental. and it make it huge. purposeful.

>>88318724
Because that's what psychosis is! It's what happens when the part of your brain that gives meaning to things goes into overdrive and gives meaning indiscriminately to everything. That's why it's so hard for people like me to stay on medication.

Psychosis is, above all else, addiction to meaning.

And when you take medication, suddenly all that meaning goes away. The world is cold and suffocating. If you could live in a world like the dc comics world, where fantastic things happen every day, where everything is bright and even if it isn't it's still interesting, wouldn't you? You can get addicted to meaning the same way you can get addicted to drinking or food or anything else. Paranoia may be terrifying. It may be horrible, it may be frightening. It may even make you want to kill yourself. But suddenly everything makes SENSE. In a way it didn't before. In a way it doesn't for other people. Who wouldn't cling to that?

But writers, being primarily of sound mind (comparatively) don't really understand the thought process, and so this especially happens with Harley. Nobody seems to get why she's with the joker other than Paul Dini, they all say "oh well he twisted her" "oh he just broke her" like that's some kinda explanation and i feel like that's just lazy. i think it takes away her agency, avoids the underlying logic behind her decisions and generally just reduces her character to a collection of dumb story elements with a pair of tits.

>>88318002
Sounds good to me.

>>88318724
>>88318768
So in essence, I guess, she's with the Joker because she found MEANING in him and in the Harley identity, and she's unwilling to give that meaning up.

>>88318724
Harley is broken not just because she is crazy, which she is, but also because she handles it in a very negative way, i.e. her relationship with the Joker.

They seem to be moving her away from that so that quirky badass 14 year old girls that dream of being punk Barbie dolls can self insert though.

Oh and this isn't /soc/. I couldn't give less of a shit about your baggage. I'll stick to the character as written.

>>88318907
As written by who? That's more or less how she's written by Dini. That's my point. Other writers kind of fuck her up.

>>88318873
I'mm sure you'll find some armchair psychologist to play with if you try hard enough in here, but take my advice: you'll get a lot more action on r9k or something. Try it out next time you're in the mood to blog.

>>88318997
>You can't have an in-depth discussion about a comic book character's motivations in a thread about that character on a board about comic books
>Go to an unrelated board instead.

What?