5 new OK KO shorts were released on the CN app https://www.

What are the other 3

Or are they just the original batch

>>88253344
anyone else a little tired of the shorts and wish the show would just premiere?

I don't get this show. It doesnt seem to have anything going for but DBZ references.

>>88255185
This IS the show.

>>88255644
what more could you ask for?

>>88255742
Bleach references

rip em nigga

>>88255741
uhh i'm pretty sure it's not
>>88255761
oh god no. i'd take naruto references before that.

>>88255742
80s/90s video game references

I want to bend Enid over the counter and j-j-jam it in!

link to the new shorts:
http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/video/ok-ko/episodes/index.html

>>88256545
This shit doesn't work.

>>88256258
i will never have enough of those
however i see no references here, more like homages and style influences.

So they still cannot commit to an artstyle I see.

>>88255185
If this is the quality of the show, I'm not sure what you're looking forward to. It looks nice, but there's no real substance. The humor is 100% typical of a modern CN cartoon.

http://ianjq.tumblr.com/post/154192942199/all-new-ok-ko-shorts

>>88257515
>>88257654
these are just guest spots
>modern CN cartoon
yeah, those things we have all enjoyed for 6 years now, but they're being canceled like mad, so we need new ones

>>88258065
>we
>have all
Uh huh.
Frankly, the average CN show is garbage. Which is why they're getting canceled like mad. I'm not sure how Regular Show survived on the same damn formula as long as it did.

>>88258121
herpaderp. go to a different board.

>>88258188
No. Just because you have low standards doesn't mean everyone else should.

>>88258206
i will not let you drag cartoons back to the depths of the 00s

>>88258310
Barely a decline.

>>88253344
fuck apps
but I am going to draw so goddamn much fanart of this show once it's on my TV

>>88258447
You don't have to use the app. >>88256545
Click "minisodes"

Yeah, this is definitely looking really charming and expressive.

Can't wait for the actual premiere.

I love the shorts, but when are they just going to announce the show?

FUCKING BELIEVE IT

http://z0nesama.tumblr.com/post/154199291256/here-are-the-2-super-simple-shots-that-i-animated

>>88260545
So I expect porn parodies soon?

>>88260570
Zone is probably working on porn already but I'm hopeing it's straight forward instead of a parody.
Not even into the straight stuff, just like seeing her work.

>>88260570
Hopefully

>>88260545
I ... is this ... what?

Did Cartoon Network or Studio Yotta or whoever go "this person makes great animated porn. Let's hire her"? Did they browse through a bunch of rule 34 of kids cartoons during the vetting process? And she's not even bothering to keep the two things separate? It's not a secret?

This is the world I want to live in. God damn.

>>88260651
disney hired paul robertson who is known for nazi dickgirl guro

>>88260651
Zone's a her?

>>88260671
>>88260651
>her

Zone's first name is Peter, fellas.

>>88260706
peter's just another word for a dick desu

>>88260706
My mistake.
I only knew him as Zone.

>>88260651
>>88260666
>studios are finally hiring people who do porn
I'm glad. People with talent shouldn't be exempt from working for other companies just because the majority of their work is adult content (they're tasteful about it, too, making sure to tag it all as 18+). I hope this continues.

>>88260651
Most animators are perverts and the industry knows it.
As long as you keep your private stuff separate from the work you turn in and don't draw literal pedo shit they don't care all that much.

>>88260740
>As long as you keep your private stuff separate from the work
Except Zone DIDN'T.

>>88260651
Dude this is studio Yotta, it's a bunch of 20 something internet animators, not some crusty kids' entertainment executives.

>>88253344
Ruby?

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>>88253344
>OK K.O.! Let's Be Heroes
Fans butcher it, crew members butcher it, even official Cartoon Network websites butcher it, too!

Ian JQ really should've just stuck with Lakewood Plaza Turbo.

>>88262206
this is lakewood plaza turbo

>>88253344
ill watch them when they are uploaded to YT

>>88253344
KO sounds like Kid Goku/Gohan.

>>88262206
Hopefully, the booru, Paheal, Tumblr, and whatnot can just agree to tag it as Lakewood Plaza Turbo to prevent confusion or disorganization.

>>88262318
It's the same voice actor.

>>88253344
What a horribly written episode. The only saving grace is the animation.

>>88253344
The animation is very fluid, but besides that, it just seems like a bunch of nothing.

>>88262318
It IS the woman who does Kid Goku

Also, why'd they shorten the chick's purple hair? Did she look too much like that Shantae genie character?

Fun shorts, but I really want a show. I wanna get more into the characters and world.

KO's mom is hot, needs more art.

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>>88264031

>>88253344
This art style's cool, but I don't think I'd be down for watching a full 11 minutes of it. If a show does get made, I hope they can compromise a more "relaxed" style. I like some of the slower-paced shorts like the original pilot, but I also favor the designs from these types of shorts.

I hate the art style so much, but the animation is really good.

>>88263191
>>88262571
So did anybody ever find out why she got replaced in Kai. I always heard it was because Chris Sabat and the rest of the guys at FUNi didn't like her.

>>88260738
>>88260666
>>88260651
Guys Guys. This ain't new.

Every artist, in some capacity does porn.You'd be hard pressed to find an artist who hasn't. Especially a professional artist.

>>88260803
Do you know what Zone's personal stuff is? I'm 100% sure they probably have a demo reel and an official site somewhere, probably under their real name, that isn't porn at all! Just because YOU know them for porn doesn't mean that's all they do.

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>>88264031

>>88264736
I haven't seen the Kai remakes, but that's horseshit. You can't replace someone as iconic as her.

>>88264969
But he literally posted his animation he did for OK KO on his porn account. I don't think he separates that shit that much.

>>88265607
the replacement voice works fine for gohan but everytime they do something with kid goku now it sounds like shit

>>88266040
Nah gohan kai voice is downright terrible

>>88262206
the problem is lakewood plaza turbo sounds too random, and that combined with the neon just brings to mind some terrible recent shows. it'd be one thing if it was like 'lakewood turbo plaza' then you're like OH i see, it's a shopping mall or a street or something
>>88262258
I think anon is aware of that, his post makes no sense if he isnt

>>88264736
I don't know but it's consistent with her moving to cartoons like this. Unless I'm wrong, Funi still isn't union, so she might have joined SAG to go do this kinda shit instead

It makes no sense for it to be other people not liking her, since.. yknow, they don't record together

>>88266300
>>88266040
It took a long time for me to not hear Luffy.

>>88267149
oh wow i didnt notice that at all. doesnt help that i wasnt super into one piece.. come to think of it not sure I ever watched the funi dub
in any case the new girl is a better gohan, but a worse goku. them's the ropes.

>>88260616
Zone is a guy!

please tell me this was greenlit

>>88268118
long time ago. it's just taking a while to get started and for some reason they're dragging their heels and trying to build hype with a bunch of unrelated guest-animator shorts first
I guess they figure kids don't watch TV anymore, they watch short internet videos. the problem is these have no hook

>the show will most likely look a lot shittier than the shorts

feels bad man

>>88268048
Really?

>>88268220
for about half the shorts, that doesn't seem possible.

in terms of complexity of animation though yeah probably

(unknown production code) Lakewood Plaza Turbo pilot (Boarded by Ian JQ, animated at SMIP)

501-235-001 KO (Boarded by Toby Jones and Stu Livingston, animated by Science Saru)
501-235-002 Enid (Boarded by Ian JQ, animated by Rubber House)
501-235-003 Rad (boarded by Victor Courtright, Animated by Studio Yotta)

1044-501S Enid's Bad Day (Boarded by Mira Ongchua, animated by Studio Yotta)
1044-502S Rad Cries (Boarded by Parker Simmons, animated by MOI animation)
1044-503S Carol (Boarded by Ryann Shannon, Animated by Science Saru)
1044-504S unknown for now
1044-505S Barrels and Crates (Boarded by Parker Simmons, animated by Studio Yotta)
1044-506S Rads Van (Boarded by Ryann Shannon, Animated by Science Saru)

>>88268220
The "Rad Cries" short looks just about right in terms of TV animation.

>>88255742
>>88255761
>>88256258
Actual stories and not just the retarded anime-convention-crowd "I got way too attached to foreign media as a child and it's the only thing I can do now!" stream that has made the 2010s such a shit decade for animation as a medium.

>>88270158
>Actual stories
not gonna happen dude. give up

>>88270158
>I got way too attached to foreign media as a child and it's the only thing I can do now!
>2010s
no, that would be the 00s. Puffy AmiYumi, that kinda shit.
the 2010s is finally unique-ish and doing some fun shit that feels more like old comic strips and whatnot.
besides that foreign media is based on american media in the first place. it'd be weird to intentionally avoid it just because it's foreign.

>>88270158

>Actual stories

what did he mean by this

>>88270158
i'm sorry you don't like anime and have to resort to complaining about the state of today's cartoon shows for children.

>>88270179
I mean actual settings that don't appeal to quirkiness or melodrama or inoffensive 90s anime. There's enough legends and cool shit in the world that you shouldn't have to keep resorting to memes and video games and whatever you enjoyed as a child.

>>88270404
Even /tv/ things are doing this; all capeshit and scifi shows just try to be "modern retellings" of some vague appeal to nerd nostalgia. Some nostalgia I'm not too sure ever actually happened like we remember it.

Do I sound like I'm projecting with this? I want to be convinced that I am.

>>88270564

>you shouldn't have to keep resorting to memes and video games and whatever you enjoyed as a child.

Dexter Labs and PPG are both heavily inspired by that same kind of shit but nobody complains about that.

>>88270564
I've heard of goalpost-moving, but it sounds like you're uprooting it, twisting it into a different shape, and dropping it into the playing field for a completely different sport. you're a gigantic moron and 90s anime and comics and videogames are pretty much the pinnacle. they SHOULDN'T be, but it's not our fault nobody has made anything better since. they're trying to. pen ward WANTED to make a really badass and cool monster hunter type adventure time game.. but it didn't happen. Anyone who tries to make a new serious action show, it doesn't make enough money. quality toys don't sell. quality comics don't sell. either get murdering and clear out the fucked up morons screwing up the sales demographics, or get off the pot.

>>88270621
I think for some reason that's more acceptable because A) it does so -poorly- and B) it also apes gross terrible american cartoons from the no-budget no-quality era. the "cartoons are mindless pablum only for kids" era of hanna-barbera and filmation

>>88270659

> that's more acceptable because A) it does so -poorly-

What? How does doing it worse make it BETTER?

There's no difference between 90s animators being inspired by anime and 10s animators being inspired by anime. The ONLY difference is that one existed when you were a kid, therefore it gets a free pass from you.

>>88270749
because this guy obviously fucking hates anime
so obviously the irrational hatred doesnt trigger as badly when it's done poorly. that's the only reason I can think that samurai jack, ppg, etc doesn't get his dander up

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>>88253344
Here's the two new shorts from CN's website, not the best quality, but still watchable:

>Rad Cries
https://aww.moe/ekkfzq.mp4
>Rad's Van
https://aww.moe/1qoifw.mp4

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>>88253344
Will a Cartoon Network show look different again?
Seriously, what's the reason behind every artstyle and character design from so many shows being so similar? Even Disney and Nickelodeon are starting to get infected.

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why is this allowed

>>88270843
okay I think the first one is the actual style we're getting for the show.. maybe.
I also wonder, if this girl can do this 'softer' voice that isnt quite as harsh as goku's, why didn't she use it for gohan?

>>88270965
this doesnt look like anything
youre confusing the present with the past, I think, where everything did look the same because there were a lot fewer people in the industry.. whereas now each individual person is doing their own damn thing

>>88270843
The bit with all the phones in the stomach did make me laugh. But it is a bit whatever apart from that

>>88270965
will /co/ ever stop bitching and accept that we're in a new renaissance? (or possibly at the end of one)

>>88271093
I accept it, anon. But what's the reason?

THICC
BROWN
GAMS

>>88270828
The guy he's replying to isn't me, and I don't hate anime. It's just that things like DBZ and Sailor Moon and the NES were made for a different time. By trying to "recreate them better" like every 2010s cartoon is, we're refusing to look forward to whatever's next. Maybe this has existed for every generation, it probably has.

Perhaps it's worse right now in that a lot of creators and executives don't quite know how to handle the inevitable transition from traditional television channels over to digital streaming, so they're trying to use the established past as a safety net.

...My media theory courses are fucking turning me into a huge piece of shit.

>>88271121
I think it's giving creators more control
now we're also seeing the downside of that: modern creators are a lot more shiftless than, say, the greg weismans and paul dinis of the world. they're doing this for fun, they can burn out if it becomes too much work, and they aren't really used to really making the hard decisions, but... there's no denying there's a lovely charm to our recent results. it's a fuck of a lot better than the no-risk 00s

>>88271237
It's not exactly the same. nostalgia is a factor, to be sure, but there are definitely legitimate changes in industries that means certain eras are discernibly different from others, objectively.
anime has sucked recently. it's committee-ish as fuck, innovation is right out. gaming has changed significantly, SEVERAL times.. it's not just the same thing anymore.. music has been on a downswing since the 90s began, basically the two things that killed it were the demographic splitting of the rap era, and before that the whole disco sucks movement

basically new cartoons ARE being pretty new in some ways. Yeah they're taking a ton of inspiration from the past, but they're doing so in ways that haven't been done in western cartoons before.. either weren't allowed to or weren't as aware of it yet. Probably the former, because you feel a gleeful "yes, we can finally fully indulge in the shit we like!" feeling in these cartoons. So naturally they're doing their favorites, and adding in all the dbz and sailormoon that they feel is "missing" from media up til now. That's how I feel for sure. It would take me a lifetime to inject enough zelda-ness into things to feel I'd had ENOUGH zelda shit crammed into my media.. because for years it just tore at me how little there was, and how out of the question it was

>>88271237
If you mean shit like dragon ball super or the terrible new sailormoon, you're dead right. People keep trying to remake old shit but instead of fixing the problems, they're making it worse.. Generally half the shit that made it popular isn't allowed. Kinda like the general way Wolverine has been treated ever since he became popular. Oh kids like this guy because he's angry and slightly murdery but still a good guy, and has knives in his hands? let's make him tall, generically handsome, thoroughly good-aligned, and never use the knives in his hands to draw any blood... because we have to. our bosses are telling us to do what's popular while still followin the rules, despite that following the rules has never been popular.

What the hell are you guys talking about?

What does it have to do with OK KO

>>88271984
Someone's overblowing the significance of OK KO's aesthetic and themes

>>88270993
thicc

pee

>>88270965

>it's a "anon pretends animation trends never happened before 2010" episode

>>88271490
Vidya's doing really well right now. Infie games are flourishing, AAA titles being forced to innovate or die out, PC gaming being the best as per usual, shit's fine.

>>88271237
I just think you fail to understand that nostalgia IS the 2010's aesthetic. Retro, flannel, postmodernism, grim irony, the whole idea of a culture mired in conflict and reflection. Political polarization as real life turns to parody, exaggeration, etc. etc. etc.

If the 90's was a climax of the 20th century, and the 00's an epilogue to the 20th century, the 2010's are a satire of the 20th century, specifically the latter half.

And if you can't look past those surface details to find all the genuine pieces of innovation and development (love it or hate it I fucking dare you to name three cartoons since the heyday of the 90's that have dealt with theme, tone, structure, and serialization as well as Steven Universe).

As far as mediums that aren't declining right now, I'd put cartoons up there, if not all that far up there, probably along with video games, literature, and anime (which has been supposedly dying since 2004)

p

>>88269907
Rad Cries was animated at MOI Animation (who usually does TV work), so it's no surprise that it looks the most standard

>>88270843
thanks

>>88272914
all I said is it has changed
not that i agree with you

I hope this show is at least funnier than everything else presently on CN.

>>88273801
How is vidya not doing well right now?

> generic AAA franchises like COD struggling
>Other AAA studios being forced to take genuine risks (AssCreed's hiatus, Six Siege)
>Splurge of indie titles on all platforms, even mobile, with a variety of gameplay styles and concepts (Guacamelee, Nuclear Throne, Tumblr Meme)

Yeah, there were a lot of dissappointments this year. But even if not all the games are good, the fact is that more and more studios are actually trying to make better video games.

>>88270993
It's funny how the other characters are named RAD and KO and she has some plain ass name. I feel they're lampshading how tacky the girl character usually is.

>>88273350
>love it or hate it I fucking dare you to name three cartoons since the heyday of the 90's that have dealt with theme, tone, structure, and serialization as well as Steven Universe
You can't name three cartoons ever that are on the same wavelength as Steven Universe because it's a fucking mess. The closest I could get to something that tries to tackle certain down-to-Earth scenarios in a "shit gets real" kind of a way, but actually successful, would be Hey Arnold. You could also argue that elements of B:TAS and PPG do certain elements of what Steven wants to do, but better, but it doesn't do them all because SU is literally a giant melting pot of seeing how much shit can we throw in the recipe before it breaks and it broke well over a season and a half ago, but they keep going.

And that's a big problem with a lot of modern cartoons like Adventure Time, Regular Show, Steven Universe, OK KO. They don't feel innovative so much as misguided. They aren't creative cartoons, they're watered down versions of other successful material. Whenever I watch SU, all I crave afterwards is a good anime that does what it wants to do but actually does it. When I watch Courage the Cowardly Dog, I feel like it's actually unique and I can't find anything else quite like it.

GF is the closest a cartoon got to not letting its inspirations override the content and trying to be its own thing but it dropped the ball when Alex got lazy so I can only give it points for trying.

The fact that Rebecca changed the SU designs from the pilot to make them more appealing and to make it easier for the board artists to imitate (No, it wasn't a budget issue, Ian confirmed it on Tumblr) speaks volumes to how "safe" these cartoons want to play it despite being so desperate in trying to prove that they're for mature audiences to the point of verging on a try-hard level. When Rugrats was one of the most popular cartoons around, fuck anyone who redesigns their style to be "more appealing".

>>88274351
It has strong themes and tone though, that no other show has ever really tackled. It is very consistent in its themes of gender and sexuality and fusion as a metaphor for sex is genuinely one of the most clever things that I've seen in a cartoon.

You of course can't say any of that on 4chan, because the culture wars bullshit has gone on for so long that you can't even defend artistic value anymore without being painted as "for us" or "against us". It has clear and present character development, specifically for the main character who gradually grows from annoying brat to uncertain leader pver the course of the show. And it combines it with a lore that, while cock teased harder than a BDSM hooker is genuinely interesting and well realized.

And it uses an easy to emulate style in order to give the storyboarders more freedom in how the potray the characters from episode to episode. Which on one hand results in the inconsistency that drives /co/ up the fucking wall, but on the other hand allows for a new extension of auteur theory by allowing the nuances and stule of the individual storyboarders to carry the episodes visually, albeit to very mixed effect.

The only shows that I can think of that have that level of theme put into them are Samurai Jack and Batman TAS. Not that SU is as good as them, far from it, but that few shows are as ambitious, and instead settle for well executed action or well executed comedy or well executed fanservice.

>>88274067
all I said is it has fucking changed! jeez. eat a bag of dicks.
also just because the current bullshit AAA stuff is struggling doesn't mean things are doing/going well. current anime is struggling to make a profit too.

>>88274351
>They aren't creative cartoons, they're watered down versions of other successful material.
in what way?
even if that was true, it's better than not-like-other-successful-material-at-all which was the name of the game until recently.
>the rest of what you said
when that guy posted that, I knew you'd misinterpret it. he said SINCE the heyday of the 90s. not DURING it.

>>88274651
Dude, no. i like SU too but you just mentioned the absolute worst part of it (possibly even the sole negative) and called it clever. it's mindless. it's regurgitation of the lowest common denominator of insipid braindead youth culture.

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>>88270843

>>88274843
How? It takes a real world concept and conveys it in a way that children can understand and adults can recognize. You might not agree with SU's politics, but no other show sans the ones I listed (and Avatar, now that I think about it) in the past decade is able to actually tackle with those subjects without treading into "and now a very special episode" territory.

>>88275956
love dem low-ridin'-front in pants. fuck the back. that's where poop lives. the front is the best

>>88276205
>real world concept
yeahh no. I'll grant you it's better than a very special episode, but then again it's a lot more effective, so that's bad. these aren't real issues, they're imaginary things invented by bored children who want to be part of the civil rights movement too, because they've been raised on how wonderful and heroic it all was, and then, when they aren't being hit by fire hoses, get even more bored and more out of touch.

seriously what the FUCK is with this thread, I came here for cartoon talk not this pseudo-psych bullshit

>>88277202
well the show is a bit simple so there isnt much to talk about at this point except that it's a lot of fun and kinda badass by current pansy standards
i was looking forward to the big guy but so far he's kind of a dud of a character. I dunno if he'll get more likeable over time.. whatta you think? i mean shit, he's no piccolo

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>hey kid

>>88274804
>If I move enough goal posts I can logically PROVE that SU is the best cartoon ever!

>>88276508
It doesn't matter if you care for the politics. I don't really care about them that much. But the fact is that Steven Universe attempts it, and judging by the reception it got from the SJW circles it did a pretty good job with that. It has high aspirations as a show, and I respect that.

Out of everything airing on tv right now, I can say easily that Steven universe is going to be what most heavily influences the next generation of cartoonists in the same way that so many animators point to things like Invader Zim and Space Ghost Coast to Coast as their jumping off points.

>>88278022
I'm not saying SU is the best show ever, hell I'm not even sure if it's the best show right now.

What i am saying is that it is the most creatively ambitious cartoons on television right now for being able to tackle larger themes and plots, even if it doesn't always succeed, and even if those themes and concepts are based on political principles that not everyone agrees with.

In short, while the character design is shit, on every other front it is taking the animation industry forward, and while now we have lots of surface level emulators (Bee and Puppycat, all the failed CN pilots, ironically modern Adventure Time), in time it's going to br clear how big of an influence this one show is going to have, by sheer virtue of the fact that there isn't anything else to compare it against.

>>88278056
I just disagree that it's in any way laudable to attempt something for attempting's own sake, that a positive reception by people being pandered to is in any way an indication that it's being done well, or that its aspirations are in any way a good thing.
i hope to god you're wrong about it influencing the future but you're probably right. i want adventure time to influence the future.

>>88278162
Except there are and have BEEN shows with strong tones and themes like Gargoyles, Samurai Jack, most DC cartoons, Hey Arnold, Avatar, Courage the Cowardly Dog was very good at "Aesop's Fables" storytelling, and probably a lot more that I'm missing. And none of these were influential enough to "change the industry" like you somehow think SU is going to do. Despite these great cartoons, we still went backwards with storytelling and have gotten less focused and more adept at just being retro or throwing arcs at the wall and see which stick (If any).

AT was mimicked because it was a financial success, not because executives actually WATCHED the show. SU struggles to get above a 2 mil in ratings, ain't no one copying that aside from some amateur artists who, again, steal surface level elements and throw it into their own shit (See: Neokosmos).

SU is a loose remnant of what used to be good on TV but is still so severely lacking, one season doesn't nearly fill the void as well as one episode about Arnold reuniting Mr. Hyunh with his daughter does. It has ideas and a format that it wants to use but then loses it in a clusterfuck of dropped plot points, hiatuses on top of hiatuses, flanderization of a character's flaws, forced drama in every other episode, an over-reliance on crying, mediocre songs, boring townie episodes, and a narration that needs to bend over backwards to fullfill Steven's need to solve most of his problems via talking.

Sure, Hey Arnold doesn't have continuity or arcs like SU, but SU just having them doesn't make it a better cartoon if those elements aren't handled properly and end up dragging the overall narration down because they simply don't know what to do with that kind of storytelling power in an 11-minute format.

I mean shit, most children's literature blows SU the fuck out of the water. SU should not be judged on a grading curve and considered "good" because the alternative is Pickle and Peanut or Mighty Magiswords.

>>88278573
>literature
yeah since literature is the only thing people are still reluctant to censor

>>88278800
SU gets away with a lot more than is per usual for a kids cartoon and is still beaten by basic books like a Series of Unfortunate Events where, despite the characters having tragedy after tragedy still cry less than Steven in the course of several books than he does in a couple of episodes.

>>88278907
well the idea that sadness is something subversive is an EXTREMELY recent concept. One that appeared when ratings started including vague descriptions of the content including such vagueries as "peril" and "intensity" and "mild language". well diddly, can't let the kidderinos hear mildness!

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>>88278977
No.

You're actually just leaping over made-up hurdles to try and prove a point that SU is a top-tier cartoon in some specific era in comparison to only a select group of toons. Good writers just know that crying should be used sparingly and if abused, it becomes the laugh track equivalent of "That was the joke! Laugh, audience!".

They still cry in Unfortunate Events, but only at select points otherwise they would be a group of hypersensitive protagonists and the audience would get sick of their whining. You know, kind of like a real person if they cried every other day over something.

The fact is that Riley sobbing because she misses her old home was much stronger than Steven crying over the responsibility and lies his dead Mom threw onto him, something that SHOULD be intense, simply because prior to this SU had used crying as an acting tool to make the audience "feel" several times before it lost it's impact.

>>88279216
mmm no. nobody had this attitude until SU came around
i dont even remember much crying in SU for all that /co/ loves to whine about it. then again i've never watched an episode twice. never felt like it.

>>88279571
>nobody had this attitude until SU came around
Nobody abused crying as much as SU, so there was no reason to complain about it.

Do you complain about trends that don't exist yet?

>>88279571
>Revealing your autism like this
For what purpose.

>>88278573
>SU is a loose remnant of what used to be good on TV but is still so severely lacking, one season doesn't nearly fill the void as well as one episode about Arnold reuniting Mr. Hyunh with his daughter does. It has ideas and a format that it wants to use but then loses it in a clusterfuck of dropped plot points, hiatuses on top of hiatuses, flanderization of a character's flaws, forced drama in every other episode, an over-reliance on crying, mediocre songs, boring townie episodes, and a narration that needs to bend over backwards to fullfill Steven's need to solve most of his problems via talking.

Nah.

>But I compared it unfavorably with a thing /co/ likes!

Nah. You can't just spout shit like "narration bends backwards for Steven to solve problems with talking" and ignore all the episodes where Steven's insistence on talking is exactly the reason he fails. And you can't go about nostalgiafagging as if EVERY episode of Hey Arnold was Birdman quality and that SU doesn't have singular episodes that are impactful as well.

You talk a lot and you do it with the impression of someone speaking passionately but it falls apart when observed by people who actually watched all the shows you're talking about.

>>88279685
>Here's a list of criticisms!
>Nah
>Proceeds to tell someone they're blindly favoring a show while ignoring the flaws

oh ok

>>88279621
that's a good fucking point.

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Can we at least agree that this show is probably going to be superior to SU, at least in regards to humor (and maybe action and visuals)

>>88280653
It really depends how much they fall onto SU's formula. AKA Silly antics/ action in the beginning, then a descent into drama and continuous plot that tries to explain the early antics in the beginning as something actually deeper. If it does that I'm jumping overboard.

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>>88280900
I don't know.
I don't feel like you could play this show for drama if you tried.

I'm hoping for a happy medium between flapjack's viscera and season 1 and 2 of adventure time's tone and antics.

Or basically season 1 of SU, Ian had a pretty big a effect on it.

>>88280977
SU already exists for that purpose. I would hope this show wants its own identity just a bit more than that.

>>88281082
SU doesn't even behave like it did in season 1.

Completely different show.

>>88281134
That was kind of my point though. I'm saying there's a chance this will go through all the same motions, when at most I'd want them to stay in the first phase.

>>88280977
yeah I'd rather just see some solid action
like Regular Show wishes it could, but can't, deliver on

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>>88281174
Hey. If this show is at least funny, it's already superior in my eyes.

>>88281224
Fair point.

>>88281224
It's amazing how unfunny su is, isn't it?

>>88274651
>It is very consistent in its themes of gender and sexuality and fusion as a metaphor for sex is genuinely one of the most clever things that I've seen in a cartoon.
I've never seen a more clumsy, inconsistent metaphor than their use of fusion to represent sex. I can't even begin to list all the incompatible ways it has been used, by Garnet alone. I like this show, but I can't defend that part.

>>88284632
its supposed to represent any form of intimacy so that might make it more broad

>>88284648
So why do they continue to push for the sexual metaphor?
>"It's okay if you're not ready."
>"Was this your first time fusing?"
>Pearl blushing when Garnet throws her against the wall
>"Come on Lapis... Just say yes."

Yeah they have a couple of friendship based ones too, but they seem WAY more insistent on pushing for the sex part of it.

>>88284696
cuz its any form of intimacy, and sex is a form of intimacy. in theory you'd say those things (in different ways, but still basically the same thing) to someone if you were having sex or getting into a romantic or platonic relationship. the language and variation of those phrases are largely sexual, but that's something that older audiences are familiar with already and something that younger audiences will be familiar with and be able to be like "this person was talking to me like jasper talked to lapis, hey that's kinda abusive, guess i know where they were getting that from, i should disengage with that person"

>>88284648
no fucking wonder. if there's anything these modern 'do whatever you want' neo hippies dont understand at all, it's intimacy.

>>88284824
You didn't answer the question, you just repeated what the hell the metaphor for fusion was.

The question was even though they want it to be broad enough for all intimacy, why does most of the writing push for the sex part of the metaphor more than anything to the point where Steven/Connie or Garnet/Peridot seem misguided because we're constantly hit over the head with Ruby/Sapphire, Pearl/Rose, Rose/Greg (Attempts), Lapis/Jasper.

>>88284971
what it does is both give VERY bad lessons about sex and also make itself make no sense even within the framework of the setting.

>>88255644
US
GAMERS

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>>88284971
>why does most of the writing push for the sex part of the metaphor

It doesn't, Tumblr just thinks it's all about sex because "OMG CARTOON LESBIANS HOW PROGRESSIVE" and /co/ thinks it's all about sex because they think everything is about sex.

They've said like 10 trillion times that fusion is about relationships: every kind of relationship. It can be romantic, it can be sexual, it can be friendship, it can be family, or none of the above. Sex is just one aspect, which doesn't need to be present at all.

>>88285491
>Sugar loved to ship characters
>Still ships characters
>Even does it with not her own products like Adventure Time when Pen Ward isn't looking
>Talks about how a lot of Steven Universe is influenced by her experiences as a bisexual woman

But yeah, it's all in our heads, sure.

Should I draw more fan art so I can have more stuff on their fanart board

>>88285602
Yeah

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I thought the game was fun, but haven't really been enjoying the shorts. Hopefully if this gets a full show it will be better.

I think Enid looks better with long hair.

>>88285554
That doesn't mean that it has to be all about sex. A relationship built mostly around that is not very healthy. I thought this show was supposed to be about love and friendship, but apparently 90% of gay relationships are all about fucking. Makes you really think.

>>88270210
>Steven Universe is anime in western or try to be
>Star Vs. is Sailor Moon on LSD
>Magi Swords is if John K watched Slayers

The only cartoons worthy of the feel like a comic strip is the Loud House and Wander Over Yonder were inspired by classical cartoons such as Averys and whatnot. Everything else is anime inspired, even Bee and Puppycat.

Craig McCracken and creator of the Loud House is saving cartoons, brining the roots back.

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>>88260740
>and don't draw literal pedo shit they don't care all that much
How is Sugar still around?

>>88262206
>Ian JQ
>of RPG World fame
>wanting OK KO to get a full animated show
Sure, can't wait for OK KO to go on haitus forever after season one when the fandom get to him again as RPG Worldfags did.

>>88285491
Still, think it is comical Sugar tries to articulate these mature themes, when the children watching it only think and see it as something cool, fusion that is and everything else.

Meanwhile, teenagers and adults are the only ones who debate endlessly over thematics of the show because Sugar want everyone else to see it beyond as an ordinary cartoon when it is.

This is why TTGO get marathon after marathon CN know what their demographic want. Shows like TTGO, Gumball, and Adventure Time.

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>>88253344
>its another "lets make a bunch of shorts and pilots and call them ''''''minisodes'''''' and not make any actual full shows" episode

OP and CN can sod off.

>a young brown fighter girl will never jam her fist into your throat
Why carry on in this mortal coil?

>>88292369
It's the truth. Anime is more influential then Westerner animation.

Where have you read a current creator like Sugar or Hirsch saying "Tex Avery inspired me" it's always "Anime this, anime that." No respect for their fucking birth place. Communist I tell ya.

>>88285491
In that case, it's trying to say that all relationships are the same.. which is even more warped

>>88294003
anime is just disney run through a filter of hardworking artists who care. disney is the most influential style and definitely the best