Batman #12 Storytime

Thank you

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Green Lanterns: >>88233042

This issue sucked.
Fuck King

>>88233142
So does Batman's suit just not get waterlogged in the slightest?

>>88233160
E D G Y
D
G
Y

>>88233160
CRAAAAAAAAAAWLLIIIIIIIIIIING IIIIIIIIIIN MY SKIIIIIIIIN

>>88233160
>>88233165
this seems like a more probable response to a tragedy like what bruce went through,

>it's an all-spread issue but with individual pages as bookends
BRAVO KING

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Green Lanterns: >>88233042
Superman: >>88233192

thanks OP

Not bad, the whole wrist slitting was done better than I thought it would be. Plus we see batman admitting how dam stupid and crazy he is.

Yeah this feels ridiculous.

Sorry, King. This all just feels horribly pretentious.

This is a great issue if you hate Batman.

>>88233160
I mean I'm cool with this, but why did they choose a less effective method than say a gun or something. I see what King is trying to do. Batman changed one form of Suicide for another.

>>88233049
WAKE ME UP INSIDE

AND SAVE ME FROM THIS RUN

>>88233133
This is heavily killing joke influenced but retards will say its out of character

>>88233429
Killing Joke? You mean shittiest book to ever book because Moore is colossal hack?

Hard to believe the arc is over next issue.

Ok so in my opinion it starts terrible until the part where he says HE wont laugh and how after one cut he found that a better form of suicide is his crusade.

Then the writing for this issue suddenly goes up tremendously. It seems like King just wanted to reach the I Am Suicide line and then after he got it he could write more freely.

Say what you want about the spreads but they're a really good use of computer technology and I like them.

>>88233437
retard, i bet you like morrison too

>>88233160
Made me physically cringe.

>>88233517
Definitive Batman run? Of course I do.

>>88233535
i havent read his batman but i can tell you with certainty that he is much more of a hack than moore

>>88233535
kek. I bet you can't even name 3 other Batman writers that you've enjoyed aside Morrison.

>Batman is a dead husk that doesn't care about helping people and fighting crime but is in it just to commit suicide and kill himself

Woah, truly the best Batman ever written.
Thank god hacks like O'Neil and Morrison aren't allowed to touch Batman anymore

>>88233653
no you fucking retard the point is that he channeled his suicidal mindset into a relatively positive thing. how fucking stupid do you have to be to read "i swear by the spirits of my parents to avenge their deaths by spending the rest of my life warring on all criminals" and take away that "Batman doesn't care about fighting crime".

>>88233503
>defending Posershit
kys, senpai.

>>88233190

I'm still not sold on the whole "Cat/Bat" nickname thing. I understand why King is doing it, but idk it just doesn't feel like something Bruce and Selina would call each other.

Overall not a bad issue, though I wish more actually happened.

>>88233671
Because literally after that he says that it's sad, stupid, pathetic etc.

that's your "hero", a guy that sees saving people and helping a city as a bad joke and something he should have never done with his parents laughing at him from heaven

History of Shit Tom kings batman run.

>>88233566
Not him but I love O'Neil, Engleheart, Milligan and Grant and I love Morrison's run as well. Definitely the most. I'm just not pretentious enough to call it definitive Batman run because Batman has had so many great runs.

>>88233690
Janin is actually the best artist who uses Poser. The pages look good, that's all that's needed.

>>88233671
>if you can't do my job for me and rationalize this shit then that means ur deh stupids
King, you're a fucking hack and this "Emperor's New Clothes" bullshit won't work anymore. Go home.

Is it Just Me or is Everything Shit?

>>88233709

Your reading comprehension is pathetic. It's like you can't discern tone or meaning at all.

>>88233722
>artist
>Poser
Pick one.

>>88233712
Robin thread is over there, Damifag. >>88230751

So Batman and Catwoman love one another because they recognize in each other that they costumed lives are their unique attempt of killing themselves and as two depressed suicidal fucks they find some sort of momentary relief when together?

Wow. King turned the whole BatCat into a toxic relationship that does neither character any good. Just two suicidal screw-ups supporting each other in their fucked up view of life.

I don't like this. Catwoman's supposed to save Batman. Show him that he can have more in life. Not dragged him down. Batman also should show Catwoman she's capable of being a good person. Specially when she's caring and attempting to save him from himself. Not make her feel even more miserable about life like he is.

>>88233736
This book is about shit. Not the shit you have in your closet or laying around the house or the shit in your car, it is about shit.

This is the best art I've seen from Janin. Not saying much but some of the spreads are fucking gorgeous. I credit colorist a loooot more for it than Janin though.

>>88233709
im talking about the second time he says it idiot, being aware that dressing up as a bat and punching criminals is stupid and pathetic doesnt mean that he "doesn't care about helping people and fighting crime but is in it just to commit suicide and kill himself"

>>88233421
I can't speak for King himself, but a somewhat popular fan theory is Bruce straight up has a phobia of guns

>>88233723
>i dont like having to interpret the words myself!!! i miss snyder's lengthy explanations for every single action!!!!!!!!! i dont like thinking!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The writing style is a little weird.

>>88233112
Why is Bane talking like William Shatner now?

>>88233733
>>88233751
Stop trying, the entire point is that Batman is nothing more than a kid committing suicide.
Nothing noble, nothing about helping others, it's just a selfish way to kill himself.

He even calls out Catwoman with her "I killed them to protect others" because he knows that "people like them" don't do anything for others but only for themselves.

This is an improvement. Less Bendis, more King please.

>>88233190
Selina nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

>>88233775
>Nothing noble, nothing about helping others, it's just a selfish way to kill himself.
no its not you idiot its a selfless way to channel his suicidal tendencies. do you even fucking remember 2 issues ago where he said about 10 times that he was here to help someone? they even referenced it on the first page for you in case you have memory loss

>>88233783
snyder>> King>>Bendis

>>88233775
Are you retarded? He says Selina is like him, already dead and that they took that choice of a noble suicide.

People like them know death is a choice and that they have no authority to take that choice from others. That is what he's saying. Please go back to elementary school and take a reading comprehension class ffs.

The quality of the current batbooks books is bad. .

>>88233775
no he calls her out on trying to justify the deaths at all, because people like them are loathe to decide for others who should die and none of her excuses are good enough

>>88233800
>He says Selina is like him, already dead and that they took that choice of a noble suicide.
Batman is Tumblr.

This was Janin's last issue right?

>>88233791
>>88233800
He was lying, it's clear now.
I am sorry you can only use petty insults instead of read what's right in front of you.

>>88233800
There's nothing noble about suicide, anon.

>>88233832
What if a baron commits suicide?

>>88233831
hahaha

>>88233832
his way of committing suicide is to put his life on the line to help as many people as possible until he dies

This is literally Twilight. The whole suicide thing with becoming vampire and shit.

From Rich the Leech's mouth:
>Today’s Batman is as good as his run on The Vision.

>>88233842
>This is literally Twilight
Twilight aggggggggggggggggg i hate it ..poor batman

>>88233182
So she lied. She didn't kill these people.
This is bad. It looks like King made some Wikipedia research about Psychoanalysis 101 and is trying to be edgy. But there is no substance. It's boring. Going full blown Emo is not good writing. It's shit writing.

Time for people to interpret any kind of internal angst as emo or tumblr shit

>>88233832
What if you commit suicide to save hundreds, thousands, millions or even billions of people?

>>88233832
Its a metaphorical suicide. He killed Bruce and became the bat. When he saw all of Gotham like him, surrendered to a "knife", he decided that to save then all he had to take a vow and die as a man to be only Batman.

>>88233831
How was he lying? He goes on about finding the truth and taking his sacred vow. Nowhere is it implied he is lying. He thinks Selina is lying about the murders though.

>>88233049
King does it again! I fucking love this run.

>>88233855
batman thinks she lied about why she killed them, i expect that he will turn out to be wrong.

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>>88233119
We did this all ready!

>>88233863
She is lying about killing them to protect others, that's the only point. There is no twist about how she didn't actually kill them.

And Batman knows this because people that put on the mask only do that for selfish reasons and because they are dead inside. So she wouldn't care if other people die, just like Batman doesn't care and is in it just because he has nothing else.

>>88233879
Nope Batman locked her because he thinks she lied about killing them. Locked her to protect her till he finds the truth.

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>>88233160
I prefer Mad Bad Psycho Kid Bruce to Crybaby Martyr Child Bruce.

Makes the payoff of him becoming Zorro Plus instead of Gothic Lex Luthor vis-a-vis the lessons he learned and the people he met on his travels that much more potent.

>>88233176

After all that, no battle damage or anything? Come on...

>>88233176
That book is so shit.

>>88233921
Plus it gets to a point where letting a genocidal maniac live puts you on the hook for the murder they commit later on. It really is laughable to try and claim a moral highground.

>>88233825
One to go.

>>88233049
This was another great issue. Thanks OP.

it's pretty clear at this point that the only people defending this run are people that never read Batman and are just following King from other titles

>>88233989
>implying there was a better run than this in last decade

>>88233837
>>88233861
>>88233863
Suicide is selfish act done because someone doesn't want to live and doesn't care about anything or anyone else. It's mental illness and not a noble act.

Bruce creating the Batman mantle out of obsession with his parents death because he hated how helpless he was that night and didn't want anyone to feel the same pain he felt. This why he took Jason and Dick and why he spent his nights fighting crimes because he value living.

I understand what King is trying to do, but he isn't doing it right and actually sending the wrong message.

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I miss these guys. What happened to them? They'd have been better back up than this lot. Batman's Suicide Squad has been proper useless so far.

>>88233890
>So she wouldn't care if other people die, just like Batman doesn't care and is in it just because he has nothing else.

Did you even read all panels or did you just give up halfway through?

>I say you're me. You're like me. You're dead.
>And the dead know that death is a choice. And they don't take that choice from anyone.

It's pretty obvious that he's saying that people like himself and Catwoman don't kill, so she's lying about having killed those people.

>>88234074
>I'd rather let people die instead of killing them because I am dead inside and we don't steal death from others

>>88234074
Catwoman is lying to protect other people (perhaps relatives) who killed the terrorists. She's taking the blame. Batman know's it but he needs to know the truth.

I know its a Batman comic but I wish his Suicide Squad had done more than die and be background characters.

Bronze Tiger in particular needs to do more. I'm kind of surprised he's not on the JLA or at least spinning off into another book

>>88234024
What if you're committing suicide to save lives

Like jumping on a grenade or taking a bullet?

why doesn't he ask one of the three active Flashes, one of the half dozen Superman or affiliated Superfam, or like anyone useful to just solve this really quickly?

>>88234123
I can see that happening.

>>88234157
fuck it, should of just Rebirthed Halo and the Outsiders
King sucks

What did King say?
>Batman readers are some of the smartest of the world...they don't need to have their hand held...

Then this nigga right here appears >>88234088 . Oh Tommy, Tommy, never overestimate comic book readers.

>>88234184
that's literally what he says

>>88234123
Batman thinks it but he is probably wrong

>>88234203
>literally
no

>>88233190
KEKED
U
C
K
E
D

>>88233049
Okay, sorry King, I've doubted you. I'll never do it again.

>>88234157
This. The whole mission make no freaking sense.

>>88233119
>The world was a burden to them.
Holy shit why is TK's Batman so unlikable.

Sorry for offtop, anons, but someone else know about, if Telltale will have series of figures in future?

(sorry if bad grammar, i`m from Russia and long time didn`t talk on 4chan)

P.S. Pucnh and Jewelee 4ever, Harleyker must die

I don't know, the writing is pretty good, but I disagree with the fundamental premise of Batman being dead inside and only being into Catwoman because she's the same way. Like I don't really feel like someone with such a pessimistic view of what being Batman means would ever have a Robin.

>>88233190
Never would i thought Dogfucker's Green Lanterns would be better than Tom King's Batman

So, people are actually too stupid and blind to understand what King meant by all of this? Really?

This is honestly what I would expect from a self proclaimed Dick fanboy like King

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>>88233049

I understand that it's possibly the editors and not King himself, but my feeling is that his stuff is stretched out way too much. Like, I'm confident the whole I am Suicide story could be done in two or three issues. I am Gotham definitely could have been done in two,

Fucking Future Imperfect is two issues; Death in the Family is three issues.

And this is from someone who enjoys King's writing on Batman.

Batman should've teamed up with Plastic Man and solved this in one issue

>>88234323
>I understand that it's possibly the editors and not King himself
This. It's everything Snyder's fault.

>>88234323
death in the family is more four issues and its also complete shit

Well, desu, Snyder's run is not much worse than King's. But Endgame was utter trash and absolutely disgusing. King's run feels a bit pretentious but still good.

>>88234390
>Endgame
This was actually fun read.

Honestly, Alfred and Harper were the only things I hated in Snyder's run.

>>88234428
>Joker being full crygay genocidial maniac for no reason
>fun read
Choose one

>>88234444
>but it was ok when other writers did that

>>88234365

You have bad taste. Death in the Family is one of the best Batman stories written.

Notice I'm talking about Death IN the Family not Death OF the Family.

>>88234359

Other than Zero Year Snyder's stories didn't feel drawn out in my opinion.

>>88234464
Name any good one.

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>>88234478
yes i know what death in the family is you dickhead and its complete garbage and its four issues long not three

>>88234315
It's possible that they get it but still don't like it, like with Final Crisis, or Hickman.

What is it you think people aren't seeing?

>>88234490
Miller
Morrison
O'Neil
Dixon

>>88233267
So... I am not the only that feel this..

>>88234444
Joker has been crazy and unpredictable since DITF. It's nothing new.

>>88234478
>Death in the Family
>Good

I sure like the Joker in the middle east selling nukes to terrorists, anon! That's such a good story! Some people just don't understand art, right?

And when the Joker gets offered a position in the Iranian govt? Top notch. One of the best Batman stories no doubt.

>>88234506
>>88234528
I don't remember him goin mass murder because
>BAT'S DOSN'T LOVE ME :((
It's always was because of FUN. And it really was fun and jokes all along. But Endgame reason is disgusting.

Did Bendis ghost-write this?

>>88234553
I personally like the result of Death in the Family. Jason's death and ressurection to became Red hood is best thing ever happened to this character.
>>88234570
This meme died after previous issue already. This one has nothing to do with bendis shit.

>>88234568
>Miller
>literally the original "Darling!" Joker
>not fucking with Batman because of love

I guess the final fight in the tunnel of love while he makes sexual innuendos was too subtle

>>88233769
He didn't before?

>>88234570
retard

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>>88234595
>This one has nothing to do with bendis shit.
>An entire issue of double page spreads
>Not Bendis shit
Well meme'd, Bendifender.

>>88234568
Anon, Joker being obsessed with Batman is literally not a new thing. Many things he does are just his way of trying to get Batman's attention.

>>88234609
>miller
>innuendo and hints

>snyder
>states it in plain language in a wordy monologue

>>88233119
Rad

>>88233429
yeah but the killing joke didn't spell everything out to us like we were retarded

You deserve this.

>>88234620
what bendis comic was an entire issue of double page spreads you mouthbreather

>>88234653
Ultimate End.

>>88234633
I'm okay with "getting attention" thing. It's totally in character. But
>I'LL KILL EVERYONE BECAUSE YOU DON'T LOVE ME >:(
Is fucking horrible reason. Also Joker was scared of death. Pathetic.

>>88234674
so in other words a comic that came out about a decade after the concept was first used by people like JH Williams and that guy who did silver surfer

>>88234705
>that guy who did silver surfer

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Fuck if Gaylords it's good

>>88233783
I don't 100% like King on this but yes please. And while we're at it can we get Bendis a good editor? There's a good writer in there.

>>88233267
I can't stand it when writers try and force edge bullshit onto batman, completely missing the point of the character
>hurr he's just as crazy as the people he locks up because he dresses like a bat!
>if not for batman, a lot of the criminals (joker, freeze, ivy) wouldn't exist, maybe batman's the problem!
>batman isn't interested in making gotham genuinely peaceful or else he'd donate to charities rather than waste money being batman, he only wants to fight his war on crime!
>batman has no compassion and only does what he does because he's crazy, and never grew out of being 8 years old!
and now we have
>being batman is another form of suicide for Bruce Wayne!

even zack snyder and miller didn't pull this kind of shit

I have to admit that I'm losing interest in most of rebirth books since last month.

I think double shipping started to affect the books quality which is such shame because I wasreally excited about rebirth.

>>88233160
I like this.

>>88234771
I kind of agree with this.

Only 3 books I'm currently enjoying and all of them are monthly.

>>88234762
King literally shows and says that whole Batman's purpouse to "save people who need to be saved" What the fuck are you talking about?
Also
>even zack snyder and miller didn't pull this kind of shit
>I'M GODDAMN BATMAN xD
>MARTHA?
You're either trolling or just snyderfag.

>>88233165
I WISH YOU WOULD STEP BACK FROM THAT LEDGE MY BAT

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>>88233737
>WonderBats with Diana being his light and her compassion saving him is now best endgame.

Fuck yes.

Eh, I can't say I haven't read worse. It's middling-to-decent.

>>88234323
King originally wanted twelve issues arcs, but the editors told that it's too long. King's work has always been decompressed anyway.

>>88233989
It's underwhelming and worst of King's work by far, but I don't think a characterfag should be a judge for quality.

>>88233737
I don't remember Batman caring about Selina much in new52 though. They had sex, yes. But Batman havein't love anyone in this universe. Only brain-damaged Bruce loved Julia. that's all. Batman always shows that's he clearly can't be more than "friends" with Catwoman. And suddenly he loves her in King's run. Weird.

>>88234976
no reason to read capeshit if you are not a characterfag

>>88233147
I know Batman is mr super ninja, but I'm really getting sick of him somehow dodging multiple people firing automatic weapons at him from point blank range. It's just lazy writing and at that point you might as well just give him Superman's invulnerability.

>>88235167
>armor
>close room
>everyone afraid to get shot by mates
>dexterous af top human
Nothing wrong here, anon

>literally nothing happens except a bat-shaped 3D model beats up generic 3D models while a a maudlin letter narration says nothing interesting
How can this be such a failure on all levels?

>>88234866
yes but king sends that message as pseudo-psychological bullshit instead of the simple origin of "dead parents, doesn't want anyone else to feel the pain he felt". it's not adding depth to the character, it's taking away from bruce wayne by making him some crazed, tortured individual who becomes batman as some sort of bizarre ritual to instead of someone who becomes batman out of altruistic reasons. there's a reason why the better batman writers (dini, o'neil, loeb) don't make batman out to be some nut in a suit, but a hero in the same vein as superman or wonder woman.

>>88235009
Rebirth has included quite a bit of Zero Hour-esque soft retconning.

>>88235009

We're in the Rebirth era now though, which means all those old story concepts that New52 writers wanted to shy away from get to come back full force. And since King is a huge BatCat shipper and now he's writing Batman, he gets to bring back his favorite ship his way. Which means "only someone as damaged as Batman can ever truly understand and love Batman," and that person is [strike]Joker[/strike] Catwoman. They're "soulmates" again, because darkness.

And BatCat shippers are going to eat that shit up with their bare hands, once they get over the "murdered 237 people" which is probably happening by... oh, I'd give it until noon PST.

>>88233190
when is selina going to show her cleavage again?

I thought DC didnt care about sjws no more

>>88233190
Put on some goddamn pants Bane!

I am vengeance

I am the night

I am suicide


Superhero comics are dead and will never return.

>>88235399
King is one. He thinks calling women "girls" is sexist.

>>88233825
For this arc, him and Finch are rotating with some fill ins.

>>88234027
They've been dead for 6 years now.

>>88235442
is he the faggot that wrote that scene were Dick sings?

fuck that

just give me back sexy Selina.
Harley Quinn also shows of her butt and boobs at every opportunity and she is selling like hot cakes so just do they same with Catwoman

>>88235199
You can literally see them pointing their guns at him and firing. There's no dexterity that can counteract that. Also don't tell me that his armor can handle that kind of firepower; again, if it can then there's no functional difference between him and Superman here and he might as well casually stroll up to them.

>>88235442
What? Have you read Grayson? There is literally half-naked Helena.

>>88234703
>Also Joker was scared of death. Pathetic.
I think that's the point. Ever watch Joker's Favor? I rather like the idea of Joker being afraid of death. And the IRS.

>>88233160
>tries to an hero
>decides to fight crime instead

This makes no sense

>>88234323
I'd agree with this but Green Arrow's incredibly short arcs has me content with 5 issue stretches

this just nullifies a decade of training and personal sacrifices

>>88234553
>no fun allowed

>>88235782
I like DitF, but I kind of agree that is sortof falls apart part way through the 3rd issue. Fun issues where Joker does zany things like become the ambassador of Iran are fine, but create a tonal disconnect when the climax of your story is Robin being brutally murdered. Starlin just kind of had a political ax to grind with Iran and pushed it in there.

The nice thing about Vision threads was that the casuals with shit taste stayed away.

I'm a Batfag, and King Bat-threads make me hate batfags

>>88235680
> chooses an hero by actually being a hero and probably getting gunned down instead of just an heroing for nothing

Makes sense to me. He's going out with a bang

>>88236055
If anything the only people that praised that Vision were people that only knew him from the movies

>>88233761
>Tries to kill himself
>Won't use gun because guns are scary

>>88236276
>Vision
>popular

Well memed indeed

>>88236183
>Look at me. I'm the true fan because I dislike this comic that's popular
>normies with shit taste can't compete
Well memed friend.

>>88236316
>Vision
>not popular
Look at the trade sales, look at the critical reception. Then tell me it isn't popular. It's literally on every top xx comic of the year lists.

>>88236361
>it sells a lot it means it's good!

>>88236436
>Those goalposts
>I shall move them!

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>>88235480
>that scene were Dick sings?

>>88233182
How do comic book writers specifically write this kind of panels in their scripts? That's seriously not just Panel 1, Panel 2 and so on.
I can understand writer-to-artist discussion but let's say for some magical reason they can only communicate through the script?

>>88236823
Writers will often do a rough sketch of the idea they have for panel layout

>all the batcharacters have issues about how amazing they are
>Batman only gest issues about why he is such a joke of a character

>>88234762
Frank Miller didn't thought Batman was crazy. He said that he wouldn't be as effectual if he were. But Frank did toy with the idea of Batman being suicidal. "A good death" is a recurrent theme in DKR.

>>88236436
No anon your point was it wasn't popular, which it is. Don't be a retard now.

>>88237416
People just love to meme about Miller but surprise, they're fucking retards that miss the point completely. DKR plays a lot around the idea of Batman wanting to leave a legacy and influence. It's not so much as DKR Batman is suicidal which to be fair he is somewhat but more about Batman gaining his worth again in a society that has completely disregarded him. If Batman was 100% suicidal in that book, he wouldn't go through the trouble of faking his death.

>198 posts
>62 ips

look like King killed batman's storytimes

>>88233165
>"I am suicide"
Roll credits.

>>88233190
So we have like 12 two-page speards and that's it? Man this issue is going to look really bad in flopy form.

>>88236748
This seems like something out of Jojo's Bizarre Adventure.
Do they ever strike poses?

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>>88238465
No that's the other Robin

>>88238558
Someone post the edit

>Batman is crazy meme
>dressing like a bat to fight crime is stupid
>but I would never dare write something like this when writing Nightwing, Batwoman, Batgirl or any of the other derivative characters
>only the idea of Batman is stupid

>>88233160
Hey. Bruce?
It's never as bad as it seems.

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>>88233190
Next, Selina double crosses Bane to activate the Batkaku.

>>88234027
>Shy Crazy Lolita Canary
Everytime.

>>88236275
I mean, phobias ARE irrational. Also, he was 10, and maybe there weren't a lot of guns handy and unattended, with ammunition conveniently in or near them, in Wayne Manor.

BATCAT LIVES

>>88234284
>Sorry for offtop, anons
>sorry if bad grammar
>P.S.
>4ever
Oй, дa иди ты нaхyй.

Why can't we never get a story like Nightwing where everyone comes and says what's amazing about Batman.
I am getting tired of this constant self-criticism.

>>88233182
>Selina didn't kill 237 people

what a shocker

>>88233049
This was a good issue, but my own ''not muh Batman'' attitude prevents me from enjoying it.

King's fatalistic, subdued Batman just doesn't fit my idea of the character.

>>88233246
It's sort of weird for a Batman who lives in a world full of costumed vigilantes and criminals to think of himself, his attire, and his whole crimefighting thing as particularly unusual. In context, in universe, it is not.

>>88238103
Not really, all the snyder issues were also of people complaining, batfags will never be happy

>>88239474
He was the first of them. But this far into his career it is a weird attitude.

>>88233550
>moore defense force barging into a cape thread to talk about comics they don't read
I'm SHOCKED, let me tell you.

Bruce is so bad at writing letters, jesus

>No one answered. No one answered. No one answered.

>>88234024
There are lots of times when suicidal or self-destructive behaviours are seen as noble. We refer to these actions as "self-sacrificing", and laud the victims as "martyrs". It's entirely reasonable for Batman to feel that way.

This particular comic was written by a hack, though.

>>88234151

And what if said person taking bullet did it just because he wanted an easy way out?

>>88233949
If he hands them over to the cops and the state, and nobody does anything about them, it's not really his responsibility. Or, at the very least, it's a responsibility he shares with the entire legal system, every police officer on the force who had a shot at them, and the rest of the crimefighting community. It's a moral verdict rendered by society at large that he's simply chosen not to overrule.

>>88234290
I guess he could hope that the NEXT Batman (or Nightwing, or whatever follows him) would be better and more well-adjusted. That would probably affect his perception of his own role, though.

>>88233182
I knew it was a fakeout.

>>88235782
It's goofy as fuck political propaganda in a story that's supposed to be serious.

>>88234553
were you okay with it when it happened in JLI? Because Joker totally worked with the Bialyan government

>>88240049
>serious
>a major decision was decided by a fan vote
It was gimmicky trash from start to finish.

>>88233246
I feel like that's every issue.

>>88239438
this desu

>>88240211
so you're a jasonfag or what

>>88233246
>Plus we see batman admitting how dam stupid and crazy he is.

these are the people that defend this run

>>88233190
So glad I dropped this.

>>88240294
Nah, Azzarello/Miller's Last Crusade was a much-better written "death of Jason" issue.

>>88240343
okay, fair enough

>>88233126
>Look at how DECONSTRUCTIVE our Batman is!

>>88233160
THEEEEESE WOUUUUNDS THEEYYY WIIIIIILLL NOOOT HEAAAAAL

>>88233921
>killing an innocent owl

Worst Bruce.

>>88234157
Flashes are all busy. One's dissolving back into the Speed Force, the other hunted by assassins, the main one fighting an evil version of Iris in a shadow dimensions or something like that.

>>88234284
Fuck off to sosach.

>>88234157
with that logic why doesn't Batman uses one of the multiple armored batsuits he has to assault the prison

I want to see Bane against the Justice Buster or the giant mech he used against Bloom

>>88234444
>implying Genocide Joker didn't start long before that

>>88234703
>Also Joker was scared of death. Pathetic.
Not out of character in this situation, since his whole prep was turned against him. He relied on Batman buying into all those stories about him being an immortal mystery god he's spread over Gotham, but Bats didn't buy that shit.

>>88235009
Part of the theme of Rebirth, as stated by Wally, is "remembering old love taken from us".

Today's issue coupled with related interviews of King by the media outlets just cemented for me that the decision to drop this run early was the right one to make for me.

The suicide attempt doesn't bother me, not really. It's this: "Batman is real, Bruce Wayne is just the mask." That pervasive, toxic cliché has become unbearably commonplace in the Batman mythos, and King has chosen to write the character from that starting point.

Personally, I can't stand it any longer. If you can, then more power to you but I won't stand behind writers who perpetuate the stale concept that Bruce is a suit the Bat wears for public appearances.

>>88241483
I agree with everything you said.

I always freaking hated the "Bruce Wayne is a mask" meme and hoped that King wouldn't go this route, but unfortunately he did.

>>88240099
There's a difference between working with a corrupt government and being the UN ambassador for a real nation so that the author can get in a cheap dig about how his political opponents are crazy and clownish.

>>88241483

I'm more troubled by how he wrote the Batman/Catwoman relationship;

Batman and Catwoman only being together because they're suicidal and recognize that pain and desire to die in each other is awful.

>>88241641
>>88241483
Surely they're both masks? The Bruce Wayne persona he displays in public is a deliberate facade much of the time, while his Batman persona pretends to be a lot more malevolent and sinister than he actually is, for the sake of scaring criminals.

Batman/Bruce as he acts around people like Robin, Alfred, Superman, and Wonder Woman is the "real him", but of the two "masks:, Batman is probably closer to being the real deal, by dint of still showing concern for innocents, contempt for crime, and obsessive devotion to ideals.

Can King only offer suffering and tragedy to a character? I mean Omega Men and Sheriff 2 of my top 5 books this year but this is starting to become a pattern here. Throw in some more pseudo sci-fi and a little more edge and this is what Memender's run on Batman would be like.

>>88238406
...why?

>>88241927
I can't remember who said it, but someone said the real Bruce isn't the playboy billionaire but neither is the vengeful creature of the night. The real Bruce is when he's in the cave working on a case with the costume on but cowl off, talking with Alfred or Dick or Clark.

>>88233133
I'm really liking the style of this run. They did the same thing one or two issues ago with Selina and the pipe section.

>Bruce is dead
>Batman is just the suicidal dream of a boy
>Alfred is there just to make remarks and offer no emotional support

>>88240392
do you really think the world's greatest detective wouldn't be self-aware?

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>>88234762
>being batman is another form of suicide for Bruce Wayne!
>even zack snyder and miller didn't pull this kind of shit

Well, at the end of Snyder's run, Bruce Wayne literally had to die so Batman could live. So let's not pretend that was any better.

I'm getting real tired of every writer feeling like every arc has to be a meta-commentary on Batman.


Well, at the end of Snyder's run, Bruce Wayne literally had to die so Batman could live.

>>88233421
>>88236275
he wasn't trying to kill himself

>>88242256
a happy Buce Wayne had to die
it was more about that

let's not forget that one of the themes of Zero Year was also how being Bruce Wayne is an important part of him too and he can't be only Batman

>>88239635
I never said morrisons batman is bad since i havent read it you fucking inbred. But i have read severale morrison comics (animal man, doom patrol, zenith, st swithins day, happy, final crisis, multiversity) and concluded he is a hack.

>>88241893
That is BATMAN'S OPINION you fucking stupid cunt. Catwoman obviously does not agree with him, thats the main conflict of the story you dumb fuck

>>88241927

Not according to King. He talked about it on CBR, he's firmly in the "Bruce is a mask" camp. And, he's adding it to his BatCat ship, saying now that Selina Kyle is a mask too, Catwoman is her real face, and only they get that about themselves and that's why they're perfect soulmates.

This book is completely fucked.

>>88238976
Obviously.
Punch/Jewlee faked their deaths, this has all been part of the plan.

>>88243631
I hope not, I want this suicide squad to be utterly pointless

>>88233855
I read it as >>88233879.

>>88233142
>Him
cute

>>88233202
With bats in similar poses from different angles

Pretty great!

also like how it's some groundwork for justification for not killing

>>88233176
this is a really fucking powerful page

>>88241940
> a guy that literally wrote an entire issue of dick grayson singing and doing silly and fun superspy shit

> can only write suffering

its because the books hes working on, anon. its Building A Name books, of course its going to be serious and conceptual

>>88233160
CUT MY LIFE INTO PIECES

>>88233160
DARKNESS
NO PARENTS
CONTINUED DARKNESS
THE OPPOSITE OF LIGHT
BLACK HOLE
CURTAINS DRAWN
IN THE BASEMENT
MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT
BLACKED-OUT WINDOWS
OTHER PLACES THAT ARE DARK
BLACK SUIT
BLACK COFFEE
DARKNESS
NO PARENTS
SUPER RICH
KINDA MAKES IT BETTER

>>88233190
It ain't gonna suck itself Bruce

>>88234284
Punch and Jewelee are dead

So 4chan hates it, reddit hates it, it seems like everyone besides King's twitter followers hates it.

I wonder how much longer DC will let King stay on the book?

>>88246151
As long as Batman remains one of their best-selling books.

>>88233160
Easy to criticize, but it makes sense and is actually poignant

>>88233182
>people lost their shit when she "killed 237" people
>people actually thought based King would ruin a character like that
I had faith in you King.

Great fucking issue.

>>88238558
[3DD]

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>>88243335
Selina Kyle being Catwoman before Selina Kyle is where I really start firmly disagreeing with king.

Part of what makes Selina an interesting foil for Bats is that she ISN'T 100% the mask before the human. She adores and is deeply attached to Catwoman's criminal free-spirit lifestyle, but she can actually run something resembling a natural social life without constantly being in cat/bat-mode.
Personal interpretation.

>>88235399
Selina never ran around with her tits out in the comics you tard, that was an arkham idea

the whole point of the leather bodysuit is that it's a modern, practical cat-burglar's ensemble rather than a big purple halloween costume with heels

>>88238558
What is this from

>>88249619
Red Hood and the Outlaws

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>>88249467

>>88233160

Why does /co/ think edgyness is inherently bad?

>>88233176
Chills. Halfway through and this the best this book has been in...ever. King is really good a writing misery.

>>88251183
Because the 90's showed just how bad it could get.

Just gonna drop my two cents:

>Bruce Wayne is the mask. Batman literally had to relearn Bruce Wayne's mannerisms and voice in Morrison's run because he had been so consumed by his Batman persona.

>Bruce's "suicide" was to destroy a little boy who was in pain that could not be translated into anything better. As batman he takes revenge on crime via noble acts. This arc is literally about how far he's willing to go to save a single person. That's nobility in its purest form. Some of the interpretations are almost as if people wanted to hate the book

>While I prefer the "supersane-completely in control theory on Batman's psyche, the notion that he's somewhat crazy is so deeply ingrained that you can't blame King for buying it.

>Batman readers are not the smartest readers in the world, that was King just being nice
>That's a whole fucking lot of hired guns, jesus christ

>>88251124
Where's this from, Injustice?

Point is, not the norm.

>>88252336
Johns' JLA. It's not the greatest example though, since she was, for the most part, drawn completely zipped up in that series.

>>88233165
I didn't like it, then I read this page, then I liked it...

>>88233769
He's high on Psycho-Pirate.

>>88233190
So...

Batman thinks Selina's lying about who she killed, and is going to figure out who she's covering for after he fixes THIS fucking mess.

Fair enough.

>>88233437
Is someone salty that Batgirl got paralyzed?

>>88233941
Look again. He's bleeding from his nose and mouth.

>>88233160
No batmn you've never been alone or is Morrison run completely forgotten

>>88256219
Part of rebirth's plot is that some of what existed before has been forgotten. That probably includes his whole near death experience with darkseid and the hyper adapter.

>>88256340
no, final crisis happened in an abbreviated form. I can't remember where, but at some point dick comments on being batman, and bruce mentions his death

>>88256454
Same stuff happened with COIE/Infinite Crisis.
>COIE's mentioned to have dealt with time periods merging rather than that plus universes.
>Infinite Crisis is still canon even after New Earths' changes.

This issue doesn't make any sense. At the end of the previous issue, Batman was in the vents in Bane's throne room, right above him. And now he suddenly has to fight his way through the entire prison to get to the throne room? WTF?

>>88233989

Oh well if a Batman expert of such high renown as an anonymous shitposter on a Turkmenistan Babushka fan blog says so, it must be true.

>>88258600
>no argument
>just memes

Yep, this is the level of discussion that people that like this "run" offer

>>88260492

Why did you put "run" in quotation marks? Are you implying it isn't actually a run?

>>88260492

Your continued insight on this matter is riveting, sir.

Batman 012 (2017) (2 covers) (digital) (Minutemen-Faessla)
http://www102.zippyshare.com/v/oKRoOTSM/file.html

>>88260539
it would be an offense toward actual good runs

>>88260831

Good writing, strong themes, good use of supporting cast and originality sure is offensive, holmes.

>>88260978
no one of those things is happening in this run

>>88236823
>double-spread page
>five vertical panels in the background, fixed camera, Batman fighting his way nearing the eye (low horizon so Batman gradually takes up all of panel space)
>between those, five other vertical, narrow panels are interpolated showing Selina, BANE?, and Psycho-pirate's faces
A good writer could add up
>the time brackets between background and forefront aren't synchronous so feel free to make between-panels space dilated
>soldiers should come from the sides of the panels so it looks like Batman is going through a straight line and only throwing aside what look like some last nuisances
>Selina, BANE? and PP's close-ups should look like they're starting to form a full picture, so they're respectively leaning a bit left, full-front, and a bit right
Tom King in these issues is definitely using the narration boxes' orientation and position narratively instead of letting the letterer figure it out, so there might've been some
>narration boxes here will stay on the upper side of the panels but slowly decreasing with the last one being mid-panel, as if those words were physically halting Batman
suggested there, not because Janin is the one who's going to need it, but to know where he might find more useful to leave more space

Batman ended for me with Morrison. Everything since has just been utter garbage. Though Tomasi's run on Dec is promising.

>>88261965
>Everything since has just been utter garbage.
There have been some great books in the New 52 from the side Bat characters.

>>88261965
>Tomasi and his "Batman is not a hero"
>promising

>>88261984
>this meme again

>>88262203
>using shit taste as an argument

>>88262360
Grayson was the only good one and even that one is extremely overrated

The main problem about this for me is that little Bruce would never try to kill himself knowing that the man who killed his parents is still out there.

This can work in a continuity where Joe Chill was caught right after the Wayne's murder, since Bruce would be pretty much without his outlet for anger and revenge. So with the man who killed his parents caught he'd have no more purpose and life and depression would get caught up with him.

But Bruce trying to kill himself while Joe Chill is still out at large? That shit would never happen. He'd still be angry as fuck and obsessing about getting the guy that killed his parents.

In that regard Scott Snyder's little Bruce makes more sense. He was a boy detective obsessed about this large conspiracy that was responsible for his parents murder.

>>88234505
Not him, but everyone is interpreting the "I am suicide" concept as Batman is dead in side, while I interpreted it, perhaps incorrectly, as "Bruce Wayne had to die for Batman to live".

>>88234842
>not enjoying Deathstroke
Pleb-tier af
>>88234771
Though I will concede that most of the good DC shit is coming out as minis, YA and Hanna-Barbera.

This is a terrible take on the character that demonstrates the writer's basic inability to understand why the character has been popular for so long. Again, the writer is sacrificing the character to make him more, "edgy." It's a shame. It's not interesting when you destroy what makes characters great. It's just lazy writing.

>>88233049
This isn't "edgy", this is CRAP! (-why do people waste their hard-earned bucks on this juvenille fan-fiction--??)
And as far as "This is great art!"... Strip away all the slick paper, over-done coloring, all you have is COLORING BOOK TRASH ART!
Comics have gone from college-level readers in the sixties with Marvel, back to pablum for 9-year olds in 2016.
Shame.

This guy's Bat comics are so terrible. It's almost like he's never read any before.
And Bane breaking Batman's back, only to have him pop it back into place like it was nothing... I can't even understand how that got past editors.
What am I saying?
Marvel and DC don't really edit themselves anymore.

this arc is such Garbage. What happened.

>>88233768
Honestly, it feels like this damn arc is being written by Twilight' Stephenie Meyer. All the silly talk about death as being kind of cool, and suicide being a way out of pain... what, did Bruce and Selina shared a passion for Nirvana and Smashing Pumpkins also? So much teenage angst...

>>88252182
This.

>>88239474
In all continues aside from Post-Crisis, by the time he decided to become Batman costumed super heroes weren't really known. They mostly come after Superman's debut and his own.

>>88263269
When i read it, i got the same thought so youre not alone

>>88262472
I think that the implication is that him killing owls and giving death stares at his own window came after his attempted suicide, when he first made his vow.

>>88263386
Bane dislocated it and batman put it back. He performs more difficult feats on a daily basis.

>>88264428

Still makes no sense that little Bruce would try to kill himself before catching his parents killer.

>>88233049

Damian's running around without much parental supervision, and Bruce fucks Catwoman

>>88233176
I didn't like the previous two pages, but I quite like this page. It somehow feels more honest and less artificial than the last two pages.

>>88233049

>>88233202
That's just how comic pages are laid out in floppy form

I can't believe it but I think I'm actually going to have to drop this Batman title, and I've literally bought every issue of Batman since Snyder's debuted in 2011.

I literally haven't truly, legitimately enjoyed a single issue of the last 12 issues. Something here about King's plotting and characterisation of Batman feels wrong to me. I don't feel like he's succeeding in trying to say anything worthwhile, and what he is saying comes off as slightly disingenuous to me.

>>88241993
I actually love that idea of the real Bruce.

>>88233160
Crawling

>>88251183
Because it's the lowest bar for bad jokes and lazy memes. Just look at all the Linkin Park lyrics uninspired people are responding to this with because they can't actually come up with anything even halfway meaningful or independently thought up in response.

This issue kind of follows the trend of King's Batman so far, in that there's plenty of individual great moments but an overall engaging narrative is completely lacking. Not really sure how to feel about it all yet.