Was this the worst Expanded Universe installment? Even the Vong

>>88200585
The legacy era novels were horrid because of its stupid plot that rehashed the conflict Coreilla and its allies against the Galactic Alliance to become a mix of the clone wars and the galactic civil war. The Jacen going evil was pretty stupid since he learned nothing from his grandfather's story.

Mara Jade is also pretty shitty.
>no personality
>elite badass master assassin because _____
>falls in love with luke because _____
>becomes a jedi master because _____
>constantly asserts her no-nonsense im a strong independent wimyn who doesnt need a man attitude

Insufferable as fuck.

>>88200585
Hey remember that time Han got Leia to marry him by zapping her with a hypnosis gun and kidnapping her so he could give her Dathomir (which he owned because lol Sabacc) as a present?

>>88201098
I thought the whole "owning Dathomir" was the equivalent to owning the deed to the Brooklyn Bridge.

>>88201098
You can talk shit about CoPL but Zsinj is the best SW villain and nothing in either EU will ever top the Wraith Squadron trilogy.

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>>88200585
>the worst Expanded Universe installment
That would be Jedi Prince

>>88201318
I can't deny that it introduced some great characters (Zsinj) and had an actual impact on the canon (introduction of Nightsisters), but the courtship plotline itself was stupid.

>>88201547
Holy shit I remember some of these books...not that image though.

So explain; why is Leia Cyclops'ing Trioculous while Moff Hissa watches?

>>88201635

She's an LMD iirc

>>88201547
Jedi Prince is literal fucking nonsense

>>88200585
I bid you all Dark Greetings!

Back to your cancerous general

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>>88201547
My school library had the whole series. They were shit but as a 10 year old who loved SW and wasn't ready to read Zahn's work or any of that, they were a blessing.

Zorba is the shit, too. Totally dumb, but awesome.

>>88200585

Is that bad? I've always like the imagery though. I like Luke's vader vampire look.

>>88200787

that was the point, with all of his knowledge, once you cross the line, you finally truly understand, and having not crossed it before, that was the entire point, you can be told a million times about something but not really understand without going through it yourself.

I agree the civil war was a rehash but in a lot of ways the war itself made a lot of sense and was different from anything before because Luke was fighting his nephew with the entire order that he grew up in and made for a much more different situation than when it was with his father.

It was handled badly in the end of both though.

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>>88200585

What's wrong with Dark Empire?

If you're a massive EU fan I guess you could be mad about fanfic continuity not being in line with other fanfic continuity but I'd take Dark Empire over most of the rest. All of the characters act in-character and actually have something to do in the story and it's one of the only EU stories that seems to understand that Star Wars is space fantasy and not shitty sci-fi. Plus the art is stellar.

>>88200585
I certainly hope this is as bad as it gets, it was pure shit but it's some of the only Legends I've read so far and doesn't fill me with hope.

>>88200585
Which one had the glove of Darth Vader.
What was up with that

>>88204433
As we all know, Dark Empire was made before the prequels. The Chosen One shit meant that Vader had to stop Sheev once and for all, so clones and lingering souls are no go.

Still better than TFA. I'll take Sheev's keikaku again over some copycat shitters

>>88204433
>What's wrong with Dark Empire?
That bizarre colouring for a start. Stupid artsy crap. And then there's the plot, innit.

> All of the characters act in-character
Eh, the dialogue is far more in-character than the new Marvel stuff, I'll give you that. But it's not all dialogue I can imagine the actors saying. But words aside, Luke's actions don't seem the slightest bit in character and his whole plot is the daftest shit.

>>88200787
>The Jacen going evil was pretty stupid since he learned nothing from his grandfather's story.

Same with TFA. It should have been set many more generations later to make any sense.

>>88200585
thats not crystal star

[s]she literally wrote in were-wolves, and fucking spelled it wyrewolf or some retarded shit[/s]

>>88204716
i have got to stop posting with so little sleep, i cant fucking think/type

>>88204716
nothing and I mean nothing will ever top Waru for sheer ridiculous

I already forget the name of the trilogy it was so lame...
It was like the Bosnia of the EU.

>>88200585
rebel dream and rebel stand (the fighter pilot / wraith infiltration of coruscant) in the vong plotline are probably my favorite EU things ever

>>88200585
Yes, but it's funny, because at the time it felt great. Back then, we were so starved for Star Wars that anything was great.

>>88204670
Or make the fake Vader a total stranger only trained in the dark side

What use is a time gap when when ghost Anakin can always show up to say "shoo shoo"

Which of course they completely ignored in TFA

>>88204433
God TIE Tanks were stupid.

Reminder that even the absolute worst stuff that was in Legends is still better than the current Disney canon crap.

>>88200585
I thought it was really cool as a kid for some reason. Clones of Palpatine does seem silly now, though.

>>88200585
Yuuzhan Vong

>>88204527
that was a young adult series. i had every/read everyone of those when i was in second grade. think they are still in my old attic at my parents house. ended up the glove wasn't darth vaders. case closed.

I read Tales of the Jedi comics and loved them, what are some other stuff like it with similar art?

>>88200585
None of it matters, Disney said so.

>>88200892
>>no personality
>>elite badass master assassin because _____
>>falls in love with luke because _____
>>becomes a jedi master because _____
None of that is true.

In fact she had a great reason for falling in love him, she'd been forced to become obsessed with him due to Palpatine's sway on her mind.

>>88200585
No, that would be the Dîsneyverse.

>>88200585
Is heir to the empire any good?

>>88210794
>Is heir to the empire any good?

Novels are alright. Comic adaptations are too condensed so everything is real spontaneous and clumsy (so in that regard, Dark Empire reads better as a comic because it was written to be a comic).

Mara Jade is really bad in the Thrawn Trilogy, where she was introduced.

>The Emperor's super duper secret badass personal assassin who was so cool no one ever heard of her and also she was in the movies but hiding in the background so you didn't know she was there but she was totally there.

Her romance with Luke is pretty bad. And Luke himself is pretty bad; written like cardboard. There are weird elements that are too fantasy, even for Star Wars, like Wraiths and shit, but some of the ideas are kinda neat, like the Ysalamari lizards that can cancel all force powers. They're silly but give the non-Jedi characters a fuckin chance.

There are unresolved plotlines in it, like all this shit with Bothans and secret plans and stuff that never goes anywhere; apparently it was all a lead-in to another set of books I didn't want to read.

Thrawn-himself feels really distinct, even if his rapport with Pelleon gets obnoxious after a while (they were going for a Holmes and Watson thing, but it was the bad sort of Watson that's a fuckin idiot and has to constantly ask questions for audience benefit). He does feel 100% distinct from Palpatine as a main villain and his methods are less strongarm and more subterfuge, even when he's trying to copy some of Palpatine's tactics that worked (but he needs a Jedi to make them work).

Joruus and Luuke were kinda shit, but we got lightsaber fights out of them and Star Wars requires those.

The Thrawn Trilogy and the Dark Empire Trilogy read like SHIT in tandem, though, because they were written independently of each other and at almost the same time, both intended to be Episodes 7-9 when they were created, so you end up with this huge disconnect between them.

>>88210975
Star Wars should just have embraced the multiverse concept beyond Infinities and those joke Tag and Bink stories, instead of erasing tons of stuff, some of which was really good, for new stuff that isn't even good.

>>88210975

I love Mara, but everything else you put, I can respect the way you saw it. I think I like it for exactly those reasons.

Except the Ahoska bit. She never comes close to being as competent as either Obi-Wan or Anakin, she just comes close to being a Knight by the end, tested and refined by the war, and as this isn't an anime or some shit the gap isn't so wide between characters (unless you are Sheev) that you can draw a clear divider in skill and ability. If anything, I was actually more annoyed at how much of a challenge Barriss gave him late on. But we also got to see a few examples of Anakin 'unleashed' towards the end that were always good.

I thought it was a beautiful testimony to his training that she so readily handled the Inquisitors like children in Rebels. She was, in a way, Anakin's legacy in the Rebellion, in defiance of Darth Vader.

>>88211045

Ignore the suits, and take it that way. I do. I consider them two different and equally valid canons, especially considering they are still selling the Legends stuff.

>>88204892
Ghost Anakin could literally show up 25,000 years later and say shit.

The whole point of the GFFA is that it has reached pretty much peak civilization; there are still poor people, nobody is turning into energy beings (except Jedi) as part of a bullshit process of evolution, and technology has reached a point where the only advances to be made are sideways rather than forward, because it's now a matter of technique how you travel FTL or blow up a planet or take over the galaxy, not a question of whether you can do it.

In a setting like that, story comes down not to the grand sweeps but the individual plays, because literally any plot device is a mcguffin. Strangely, Star Wars is more character focused than almost any other series, simply because it has already established all the worldbuilding crap and doesn't need to waste time on it.

And the thing about individuals is, they make mistakes. They choose things counter-intuitively to the crowd. Some of them act impulsively, especially if this runs in the character of one or more of their parents or grandparents.

>>88211063

I think you might have me confused with someone else who was talking about the Clone Wars cartoon. I've only read the Thrawn Trilogy and Dark Empire Trilogy; didn't watch the Clone Wars cartoon because I have little interest in Prequel era stuff.

>>88210975
>but some of the ideas are kinda neat, like the Ysalamari lizards that can cancel all force powers. They're silly but give the non-Jedi characters a fuckin chance.
No. That was some of the worst parts of Star Wars.

>>88211114
Sorry anon, linked wrong.

And I can't find who I was talking to. Oh god, am I going insane?

>>88210975
>Thrawn does feel 100% distinct from Palpatine as a main villain and his methods are less strongarm and more subterfuge

To elaborate on that, Clone Palpatine in the Dark Empire Trilogy was fuckin boring because his schemes were just constant repeats of the Death Star. Shit like the Galaxy Gun or those World Engine things. Just an endless string of planet-busters. Like, if it didn't work the first or second time, why are you doing it a third, fourth and fifth time?

In that regard, Dark Empire was like The Force Awakens.

Also, Empire's End sucks as the last installment in the trilogy for a wide array of reasons; partly for lacking Cam Kennedy as the artist (who was the real selling point for the first two installments) but also for being cut back to just 2 fuckin issues to wrap things up. And the way Palpatine is killed "for good" is the wrong kind of stupid, even by Star Wars standards.

Both the Thrawn Trilogy and Dark Empire have their problems in the worst ways, but Dark Empire is so much worse on all fronts.

>>88211134

The Space Chameleons or whatever those things were wind up only making sense thanks to the prequels and the midochlorian retcon. The lizards emit some sort of pheromone or something that disrupts/nullifies that bacteria that gives Jedis their superpowers.

But that's not really a compliment. Those things were stupid. Talon Karde was stupid.

>>88204433
>in-character
Luke has a personality? When did that happen?

>>88205294
>current year
>not replacing an F35's wings with trads and calling it a tank

>>88200585

The best part of the Dark Empire comics was that there were Ewoks among the Rebels. Like, out in space, piloting ships and everything.

I fuckin loved that. But that's it.

>>88211179

>The Space Chameleons or whatever those things were wind up only making sense thanks to the prequels and the midochlorian retcon

Zahn only put those slugs in because he didn't give a shit about The Force and wanted to deal with it as little as possible. He wanted to write military fiction instead of Star Wars, which is why Joruus is an afterthought Staurday Morning Cartoon villain and the Stormtroopers suddenly became badass noscope space operators right out of an 80's sci-fi paperback.

I totally get why people love those books, but their weird obsession with "legitimising" Star Wars by turning it from Flash Gordon to Legend of the Galactic Heroes always annoyed me, as though Star Wars somehow needs to "grow up" by becoming something it never actually was.

But that's jsut me.

>>88211160
>Shit like the Galaxy Gun or those World Engine things. Just an endless string of planet-busters. Like, if it didn't work the first or second time, why are you doing it a third, fourth and fifth time?
>In that regard, Dark Empire was like The Force Awakens.
Frankly, I think it makes way more sense for the First Order to do it than Clone Palpatine. They're basically a bunch of failed officers who want to go back to the "glory days" of the Empire, and repeating as obviously flawed a plan as the Death Star illustrates that. It's their nationalism and nostalgia blinding them to reality.

>>88211262

Yeah, but then he adds shit like the Wraiths, that are straight outta fuckin DnD. So he put some crappy fantasy elements in there.

>Also, Lando invented hot chocolate in the Star Wars universe.

>>88211446

> So he put some crappy fantasy elements in there.

I really think he only put that stuff in because he would occasionally remember that he was writing a Star Wars novel and go "Uh I should put magic or some shit in this part I guess, here I go." amnd half-heartedly add those elements in out of obligation.

In some ways the Hand of Thrawn books were better handled because they had pretty much no Force or magic in them at all, they were pure political thrillers. Which again, annoyed me on a personal level but I can't deny that not having to pretend to give a shit about the magic parts of Star Wars didn't make it easier for Zahn.

>>88211387

Yeah, that makes a little more sense.

The Crimson Empire trilogy tried to clean up the Clone Emperor stuff by saying that it wasn't REALLY Palpatine but a defective copy that went insane, hence why he kept clinging to those bad ideas. Of course, that doesn't make sense because we actually SEE Palpatine's fucking ghost jumping from body to body so we know he wasn't just some malfunctioning copy, but at least they tried.

Still disappointed Jainia and Zekk did not end up together. Those young jedi books were my first.

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>>88200585
>>88201547
I think you're all forgetting this masterwork.
>for people that thought the politics in TPM were too exciting
>also we Dino Planet now

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>>88201318
>The Wraiths will NEVER EVER be reintroduced into the canon.

>>88204433

>understand that Star Wars is space fantasy and not shitty sci-fi.

Dude I've been calling Star War's "Science Fantasy" for years. Glad someone else sees it that way, it takes after fantasy universes in a lot of ways.

>>88212426
I love SW politics. I would love if we got a book like this in the new canon

>>88200585

How about that one time really late in the EU where they failed to realize the super trippy Mortis stuff from TCW was meant to be a giant metaphor and tried to actually make it a super big important thing that's at the center of like everything and everything bad goes back to Anakin refusing to replace the Father.

>>88204607
>Stupid artsy crap
I'll cut u, m8

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>>88210975
Zahn is an incredibly overrated author and Thrawn definitely is the only reason to read his books. Poor Chiss bastard has to pull the weight of a mountain of shit writing behind him.

That being said, he still does it, and he does it well. Thrawn might be my favorite Star Wars character of all, and he came very, VERY close to bringing the Empire back into power.

>>88211063
I personally didn't hate Mara; she was very bland and generic, but tolerable. What killed me on her was the legions of drooling fanboys who jacked off to her and the "fans" of Star Wars (who'd maybe seen half of one movie or at least A New Hope) who started cheering about how good of a feminist role model she was and how she was such a badass female don't-need-no-man hero.

Her death to the Solo kid was so poorly written, but I liked it solely for the fact that it pissed so many people off, especially those who called her dying "sexist".

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>>88211575
The Clone Palpatine saga could've been redeemed if it was done better. Ignoring the fact that it fucked up the whole Darth Vader redemption thing, it was a cool idea; the strongest Sith ever suddenly returns and tries to reunite the Empire. Republic shits its pants. What are we gonna do now!?!

But it was so anti-climactic in the end. Luke turns evil for reasons unexplained, joins Palpy, Palpy gets a super star dreadnought that's probably the most powerful ship ever built, and he loses; why?

''because luke and leia use the light side of the force to block his force power so the eclipse begins blowing up and they stroll out unopposed as if nothing happened''

then he comes back with ANOTHER Eclipse to do the SAME shit, and loses. Why?

''because r2 goes inside and tells the ship to crash and it does and he strolls out like nothing happened and palpatine dies and the entire plotline is over''

I know I'm skimming some details here, but overall, Dark Empire was a classic example of a somewhat workable concept being ruined by shitpoor execution and an author too rushed to write good conclusions to his stories.

"A Galaxy Gun, Palpatine, two Eclipses, Empire resurgent, evil Luke... Shit, I only got 5 minutes left. Both ships blow up Gun blows up Luke's good the end."

>>88204607
>Stupid artsy crap

Wasn't this literally because the artist was trying to cover up the fact that he had developed some eye condition that made it diffcult for him to make out colours in general?

>>88216954

Don't forget:

>Ghost Palpatine only has one bodyswap left on his Bodyswap Repeat Customer Card, so he tries to jump into Luke but OH NO dying deformed Jedi midget jumps in front of the ghost and absorbs him and that's how Palpatine dies for good and oh god this is so fucking dumb

Empire's End was just the worst.

>>88201547
They were never completely canon though.

>>88201635
It's an android the rebels sent in her stead.

>>88216815
>especially those who called her dying "sexist"
Pretty ironic since it was a female writer who killed her off.

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I hope we aren't pretending that TFA is a better continuation of the story than the EU.

>>88218978
The Expanded Universe as a whole was really bad about pussifying Palpatine and Vader.

Vader loses almost every fight he's involved in and Palpatine loses to the most contrived shit.

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>>88201547
>10 years old
>Watch episode 6
>Huh I wonder what happened after it
>Read Glove of Darth Vader

>>88219307
You are right. The Vong and Luuke is SO much better!

>>88219393
>Luuke
Nothing more than a way to quickly differentiate a clone of Luke in the print medium.

>Vong
There were some amazing books in the NJO.


You haven't read any of what you're talking about though.

>>88219393
better than Mary-Sue and the minorities "epic"

>>88219502
>better than Mary-Sue and the minorities "epic"
Clearly you have never heard of Mara Jade

>>88219502
falseflag

TFA is terrible for reasons that have nothing to due with /pol/ shit.

Rey was terrible, yes. But Finn's actor was fine.

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>>88219519
>Dies
>Mary Sue

>>88219557
Everybody dies retard

>>88219538
the obvious diversity push for no reason is a reason for the poor quality
but yeah Finn was fine, awful "comedy" lines but fine

>>88219572
Yes, but she was defeated in combat.

>>88219519
>>88219557
Mara Jade was a major Mary Sue. Even back then morons were cheering for feminism when she was introduced. Fitting that a female author killed her off.

>>88219684
>>88219519
Difference between her and Rey is that Mara at least had a backstory that made her skills plausible.
She didn't sit around on not!Tatooine her whole life.

>>88219684
A female author who wanted nothing but to be assfucked by Temura Morrison.

>>88219684
Not to the extent of rey, she doesnt have the excuse Mara has, of being a superr good trained spy lady, rey is literally a 20 yo savant whos good at combat and ships and tech and somehow knows advanced force techniques without having training, and if she did have trining before being dumped on jakku, she was tops 6 years old and could not possibly have the powers she displayed in TFA

at least mara had training and shit that they could fall on

>>88219741
Don't get me wrong, I agree with you on Rey completely. But in regards to Mara, her backstory wasn't much better.

Rey: Spends life doing nothing on Notooine.
Mara: Elite assassin enforcer with no backstory or example of training, she's just there.

Not to mention the idea of Palpatine keeping some assassin enforcer around is retarded in and of itself, considering no one in the galaxy individually posed a threat to him and Vader was quick to choke out anyone who spoke against him and the Inquisitorius did the rest, but nope, we needed an assassin bodyguard because girl diversity. Then there's the fact that Palpatine didn't just kill her outright when she betrayed him, considering he was infinitely stronger than she ever was or ever became.

Had Mara Jade been a dude it still would've been retarded.

>>88219779
>move all erections to sector five-one-five

>>88219779

Explain

>>88219842
being an elite assassin implies extreme training and abilities, obviously.

Sith lords have a history of keeping powerful minions around them.

I think you just hate Mara Jade

>>88219918
No, Palpatine has a backstory. He's the Lord of the Sith, but we know why.

Mara jade is an Emperor's Hand assassin, and that's all we're told about her. Not how she got there, not how she got her power, but just that she is powerful and is there. Pretty boring.

And even feminist bloggers often commented, critically, on how much of a bitch Mara was, especially to Luke even AFTER they were married. Luke was quiet, but not a whipped pussy. He wouldn't have chopped her in half or something in anger, but he would've at least kicked her to the curb so she could face Palpatine's wrath instead of treating him like shit every chance she got.

>>88220002

>No, Palpatine has a backstory. He's the Lord of the Sith, but we know why.

And that took thirty years

>>88220002
she is boring, she was a bitch, but she at least had a thin strand of explanation, which rey doesn't have.

i dont really give half a shit about her, shes just not as much of a mary sue as Rey

now Anakin on the other hand.

>>88220074
Rey and Mara are on equal terms of shit.

>>88205294
i think you mean to say "fucking awesome"

>>88220110
They both suck ass, but Mara doesn't make me wanna blow my fucking head off when i think of her.

Even with its faults, I take Dark Empire over the Vong and Jacen going dark side. The latter felt like it shit so hard on Jacen's character development when the Solo family was already fucked over enough by Chewie and Anakin's death.

I don't get the dislike for Rey. She and Finn made the movie tolerable for me because they were fun to watch. It was fun seeing the old characters return but Poe and Maz sucked, some of the other newcomers were underwhelming, and the plot was neat until bigger, badder Deathstar.

Is it the "Mary Sue" thing? Because I'm tired of the overwhelming amount of protagonists who suck at everything and are terrible people for the sake of "realism"

>>88219870
Karen Traviss was rockhard for Boba Fett and the Mandalorians, that's why her books were lousy with them.

Thankfully, in the next series of books they promptly returned the Mandalorians as immoral shitbirds who only care about money and killing - literally have them killing innocent unarmed white girls and retarded slave elephants.

>>88220199
She didn't have to be terrible at everything. One thing would've been nice.

>>88220255

She also got her ass beat and kidnapped

>>88220199
You don't have to be terrible at everything to not be a Mary Sue.

>>88220285
Which she promptly escaped by using cheatcodes.

>>88220216
Her order 66 retcon was great
>It wasn't a planned betrayal, just a contingency plan. Those poor innocent clones were just being manipulated

>>88220199
How is having a character thats good at EVERYTHING a good thing in any way?

Is Rey in danger? no she has all the force powers and knows how to use them

oh no theres a problem with the falcon that not even han solo himself can figure out! oh rey pulled some wires, no problem

how are they gonna fly this ship? neither of them can fly theyre both naive young, oh no Rey can fly it

yeah great story, alot of tension.

>>88220321
>they dindu nuffin

Seriously, I loved Daala in the EU. She was the most evil cunt and she was a fantastic character. Hiring Mandalorians to kill of slaves who revolt is a real scumbag move.

The idea that the Mandalorians would do that... Karen probably had a uterus cyst form.

>>88220285
>clearly outnumbered and overpowered
>gets kidnapped
see guys shes not good at everything, she didnt literally become deus ex machina THIS time

>>88220409
>accosted by ruffians
>luke needs Obi Wan's help, Rey clears them on her own

>chased by Imperials
>luke celebrates killing one with Han and Chewie's help piloting, Rey literally outpilots them in a drydocked falcon

>Falcon's broken
>literally an entire film trying to fix it... except Rey did it in three seconds

>captured by Imperials
>Han is tortured to near death then frozen, Leia only able to escape due to Lando betraying Vader and fucking his people. Rey? HAHAHAHAHA MIND TRICK BITCH - AND I AM NOT EVEN A JEDI!!!

Bonus:
>luke's been missing like 5 years
>hey, send Rey - this girl we just met

>>88220440
no she just waited 5 minutes and then used Jedi mind tricks.

>>88200585
>Jacen turns into Vader/Sheev and takes over the galaxy
Who thought this was a good idea?

>>88220440
>>88220494
>you will remove these restraints

>he does it

broke the movie

>>88220494
reading this just makes it worse, in just 4 examples its objectively clear how much better the OT was

just fucking end my life.

>>88220313

Yeah, and it was cool as fuck.

Turn your brain off, it's just a movie

>>88220623
It wasn't perfect, but it was a hell of a lot better than Kylo's backstory.

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>>88220643
kill thyself

>>88220628
can't tell if you're being a cunt, but the point is that her being able to use such an advanced Force power at all is retarded and mary sue to the max

>>88220643
> come on man its just a movie, it doesnt matter if its shit and is a disgrace to the OT
>dont worry why do you people always critique just enjoy this literal shit

go watch barney or some shit faggot

>>88220665
>>88220730


I think you're all just jealous of how obviously perfect Rey is. I don't even like white girls, but I want that sandy, unwashed sweaty desert puss on my face.

>>88220646
It was, actually. He's the idealistic kid who is forced to wear the big boy shoes after his brother is killed and he's tortured by his enemies. He then defeats them with love and peace and vanishes on his quest to understand the force.

He then comes back and is... odd. No one really knows why but he's acting strange. Then, after getting seduced by his Uncle's Ex, he begins to dismantle all the useless shit by himself. To do so, he recruits his dead brother's ex and fucks her while keeping her addicted to time travel to see said dead brother alive.

He does all of this because he was afraid of the evil in the Universe and wanted to protect his daughter.

Sheev just wanted to live forever.

Kylo's an emo faggot Columbine case.

>>88219741
>>88219842
We literally don't know Reys backstory

>>88220799
Dude, I agree with you...

>>88220769
>how obviously perfect Rey is.
At least you understand the problem.

>>88220840
Yes, we do.
She was sitting on Tatooine since she was a toddler.

>>88200585
I heard that it was supposed to a distant finale to the Marvel Comics of the 70s/80s. I feel like seeing it in that way would make more sense, turning the weird but fun universe into a dark, nonsensical nightmare world. I think it doesn't really work in the context of the modern EU. Early EU was kind of weird with the more adventure style stories, goofy alien designs and focus on the OT and all that.
I can't really say that this is worse than Triocolous, though I have yet to actually read Jedi Prince.

You really can't see all of this stuff in one timeline like Disney implies with the Legends rebrand. You have to pick and choose what fits, otherwise you get a total mess.

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>>88220848
I know :)

>>88200585
What would you guys say is the best Expanded Universe installment?

>>88220898
>You really can't see all of this stuff in one timeline like Disney implies with the Legends rebrand. You have to pick and choose what fits, otherwise you get a total mess.
This.
And this is approach other authors took to Jedi Prince.

>>88220840
the logistics given make it impossible for her to have any training before or during her time on Jakku, some tech knowledge came from her time there im sure, but if youre dropped of on a desert planet at the age of 6, believe me youre carrying no training or important knowledge with you at that point. so there being no jedi on jakku and her obviously not owning a ship, kinda means shes just inherantly amazing at everything, which makes a shit character.

>>88220873
She was apparently Jason Bourne'd at age 3.

>>88220922
ok, cool


>>88220925
Darth Plagueis
Kenobi
Yoda: Dark Rendezvous
Dark Lord: Rise of Darth Vader
Traitor
Tatooine Ghost

off the top of my head

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>>88200585
Boba Fett: Enemy of the Empire was far worse.

>>88220925
Death troopers and it's sequel were both very fun, though I don't think they were considered canon at any point.

Darth Bane trilogy is amazing if youre into the old republic stuff, lots of sith lore and stuff there,

>>88221044
How on Earth was this in any way bad? All of Wagner's Boba Fett comics were amazing, including that one.

>>88220925
Darth Vader and the Ghost prison is amazing.

>>88220925
Star Wars Legacy comics
Fate of the Jedi Nineology
Heir to the Empire Trilogy
The Jedi Academy Trilogy
Tales of the Jedi
I, Jedi
X-Wing Books
Specter of the Past/Visions of the Future

>>88219779
There's literally nothing wrong with that.
The Mando-wank in her books, that's the problem.

>>88221124
> The Ancient Order of the Pessimists is a way too thin stretched joke
> that dog guy is a joke
> the officer Boba hunts is a joke and complete idiot
> every single character appearing in this is a joke except Boba and Vader
> that headless woman still living
> Imperial Officers wearing completely different uniforms
> that weird drawing style for an action comic

I think I am not getting it in a way but it felt like a franco belgian independent humor comic which happened to star Boba Fett and that kind of story doesn't suit Boba at all. And of course the final confrontation was based on silly power arguments which i more associate with obsessive Super Heroe fans which also felt out of place.

Though I quite liked the emphasis on Boba tracking the guy by evidence as opposed to him just knowing where that guy likes to hang out.

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>>88200892

>all those falsehoods

>>88214509
When was that?
Though it's heavily implied that all of it really happened.

>>88202240
Did you go to my school?
>>88219377
I know that feel

>>88214509
>meant to be a giant metaphor
wrong

>>88200787
eh isn't like the theme than any powerful Jedi is going to eventually turn evil for a time? Which is why Rey is destined to turn evil and Ren is destined to turn good

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>tfw I really like the Traviss novels

>>88224111
me too
She's a better writer skillwise than hacks like Anderson.

>>88219502

Exactly. We can't get a cool character like >>88216815 Thrawn as a bad guy because they have to specifically make sure all "bad guys" are white human people!

>>88220199

>I don't get the dislike for Rey. She and Finn made the movie tolerable for me because they were fun to watch.

Finn was a bumbling moron that was a pain to watch and Rey was eye-candy that just got everything right the first time for the sake of moving the plot along.

>Maz sucked

Maz was the only original Star Warsy thing about this movie. And we don't even know what happened to her after her bar got blown the fuck out.

>>88220665

Thanks for making me hate Rey even more, I didn't even know it was possible.

>>88224673
Maz was fucking terrible.
>where is my boyfriend

*shoots up the theater*

>>88224111
I liked the clone novels, but mando analog-space ship made of mando-steel that only mandos can smelt that's gona Makes Mandalore Great Again was pretty silly.

I'm sad that clones don't have mando-culture anymore

Being a star wars fan at this point in history is for the birds.

All the SJW pandering and being told that they are not catering to the white male is causing the story lines to be destroyed.

I mean comon the empire and new republic has entered a cold war. Which took only 8 years. But in the books took 20 years. And there were many great battles and stories. Just to have it all ripped away is total suffereing.

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>>88224945
>mando analog-space ship made of mando-steel that only mandos can smelt that's gona Makes Mandalore Great Again
The what? What book was that in?

So, what's the consensus on the new, post-Disney-buyout canon?

From what I've read of the new Marvel comics, it seems pretty decent so far.

>>88225364
>what's the consensus
There is no consensus.
But it's shit.

>>88219346
I will never forgive the bullshit of Vader getting schooled by Padawans and Boba almost killing him. You can hate new canon all you want but Vader never once looked weak.

>Vader gets beat and his special stormtroopers save his ass
bullshit bullshit

>>88225409
>You can hate new canon all you want but Vader never once looked weak

>what is Revenge of The Sith

>>88225088
Its the Bes'ulik
>Legacy of the Force: Sacrifice (First appearance)
>Legacy of the Force: Revelation
>Legacy of the Force: Invincible

>>88225434
>upset wife died
>turns everything in the room into jelly and spare parts
come again?

>>88200585
>He's an anti-power level fag

FUCK ALL YOU FAGGOTS.

There was nothing more amazing than Palps proving that The Force>Science.

The absolute best part of the EU was that it showed just how massively OP the magical space samurai are.

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>>88225577
It's a starfighter with beskar armour, how good could it-
>the defenders then realized how powerful the ships were, eventually having the entire fleet bombard the small group
>Most of the shots ricocheted off harmlessly
Okay I love the Mandos more than a lot, but WHAT THE FUCKING SHIT

>>88220925
Thrawn Trilogy

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Best Star Wars comic coming through

>>88221004

Plagueis is actually a pretty great story by itself especially if you like Palpatine.

I was surprised how much I liked the Vader story because in a lot of ways it felt like a novel built on The Vader Purge years.

Traitor is a decent NJO novel, I also like Destiny's Way, mostly for jacen.

>loses his weapon
>realizes he is the WEAPON

>>88224673

Rey was eye-candy? for who?

>>88225364

Having a handful of decent vader comics does not make up for all the shit fluff in the new EU.

and people thought they were going to be better this time.

>Chuck Wendig gets a three book deal
>that short sentences pasta review

>>88204607
>Stupid artsy crap

Sorry but I genuinely think your a pleb and would indeed say that to your face if I could.

>>88225409
Vader was without a lightsaber and face 2 masters 3 knights and a dozen padawan who had planned for this and he still almost won.

You know a lot of you might not like Boba Fett, but god I love how much of badass they made him.

>tfw he will not appear in the cartoons as Vader's preferred Hunter.

>>88225791
Mando steel was completely ridiculous
>The Empire mined it but couldn't figure out how to work it properly because they're not mandos
They built a weapon that blows up planets but can't use a fucking microscope to look at some iron? Bullshit

>>88220925
Wraith Squadron triology. They aren't aces, they aren't strategic geniuses, they aren't force users but they win because of teamwork and grit

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>>88227136
That's on par with saying lightsabers are ridiculous because only Jedi can assemble them properly.
>the Empire had millions of engineers but weren't able to mass produce simple implements that can cut through anything because they're not Jedi
It's actually not as bad as some things in the proper canon

>>88227237
Even worse with the inquisitors in nu canon.
The inquisitors could make a bunch of lightsabers for the empire.

>>88227237
>imolying sheev wanted anyone to have lightsabres

do the animated series improve or at least provide better foreshadowing of Anakin's fall to the Dark Side? If you just watch the films it's downright comical in how abrupt it is

how does /co/ feel about this fight scene?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nr7ufR7utEo

>>88227500
Yeah, Clone Wars definitely helps Anakin's descent. Makes it more believable, makes him a better character, makes the relationship between him and Padme more believable.

>>88227559
It's shit, just like all how Rebabies.

>>88227657
but I thought that /co/ liked Ahsoka

>>88221123
>Death troopers and it's sequel
Red Harvest was the prequel to Death Troopers, not the sequel.

>>88227500
>If you just watch the films it's downright comical in how abrupt it is
wrong
You just think it's happening for a reason that it's not.

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>>88227559
I thought it was pretty great.

For the budget rebels has.

>>88227204
My man.
So many golden moments. Dinner Squadron, yub yub commander/ Lt. Ketch, Lara Nostils character arc, Face and Ton banter. Think I'll have to go re-read it now.

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>>88227559
I don't like Rebels at all honestly, but this was at least a good fight scene.

>>88225409
As you pointed out, in the E.U. a lot of the shittiest material was Vader getting the fuck beaten out of him or his suit being made a joke or his general pussification. The Farce Unleashed probably was the worst offender of this.

>>88229387
If you like Star Wars, sure.

>>88228688
Galen had the potential to become as strong as Palps man.

>>88229387
Best parts of the EU are way better than nu-canon.
I'd start with them.

Would you guys say either Star Wars expanded canon is worth getting into?
>>88229411
>>88229427
Deleted the post as I wanted to specify the EU

>>88229418
Which breaks lore for no fucking reason. Palpatine, Anakin, Luke and Leia were top dogs not some bitch on Wookie world.

>>88229461
Yeah it's alright. The best part is the autism in that most everything has a backstroy. Which at its best captures the epic feel of star as a High Fantasy story set in outer space the best. At its worst its hilariously bad.

That said find a recommended reading list.

>>88229461
>Would you guys say either Star Wars expanded canon is worth getting into?
Most definetely.
I'd say either start with a few of the best prequels era standalones, or if TFA really pissed you off, read The Thrawn Trilogy to wash the taste out of your mouth.

>>88211084
It's still a lazy rehash of the "evil Skywalker pupil" thing.

Anakin probably wouldn't appear to some dark side stranger, but he probably would to his autist grandson who is literally praying to him. That was bantha poodoo.

>>88221123
the Death Troopers as a thing that actually happened is still canon

>>88229418
Galen was pure cancer.

>>88229781
This, Force Unleashed felt like fan fiction of someone's overpowered OC

Who /BlackFleetCrisis/ here?

>>88229885
Are those any good?

>>88230038
1/3 is politics and fleet schlock, 1/3 is a fun Lando adventure, and 1/3 is a bottom of the barrel alternative force user educates Luke episode.

Recommended if you like adventures, diplomatic meetings, and space battles.

>>88230171
Luke is my main man, so the Luke parts have to be good.

>>88229885
>>88230171

I remember Black Fleet Crisis being the series that ended me being a regular EU reader.

It's just so completely dull and inconsequential.

>>88201098
Fuck you Courtship is a rad fucking book

>>88200787
The books after that were far far worse.

>>88229482
They don't need to be the be all end all of power level. Except for Lucas' statements that Luke would become the greatest Jedi ever there's no relative power scale for the Emperor and other previous Jedi/Sith

>>88230538
>Except for Lucas' statements that Luke would become the greatest Jedi ever
Got a source?
Sounds interesting.

>>88216815
Fuck Thrawn and Fuck You

>>88230593
wow, rude

>>88219346
Shadows of the Empire's novel was all about Vader being rad as fuck

>>88227237
Don't you need an attuned force crystal to make a lightsaber? So sure, you can make cheap copies (and they do have those) but real ones actually require a force-sensitive component.

totally different from Mandos, whose whole schtick is 'skill'. Skill can be learned. Magic, not really.

>>88230843
see
>>88227287

>>88230865
The Inquisitors were a thing in the EU too, you know. Jerec from Jedi Knight was one, for example.

>>88225409
>>88226751

It was also a month or two after he got put into the suit and he was still figuring out how to adjust his fighting style.

>>88224932
That's what bothers you about Maz? That's like standard shit for weird dirty old lady diner owners.

>>88230943
Yes, but she just offhand calls Chewie her boyfriend and then it's never brought up again.

Also the scene in the basement where she's just LARPing as Yoda.

>>88204670
Kylo Ren didn't learn because he is an idiot. That's the whole point of his characterization. He is fucking stupid. He is commentary on the whiny bitches that shoot up schools instead of discussing their concerns and finding constructive solutions.

>>88231010
He's also a shit villain. I can't take him seriously after he got his ass handed to him by a girl who had literally never used the Force or a lightsaber before that very fucking day.

Having him redeem himself while Rey goes evil is the only way to save him.

>>88227559
>>88228345
Man I really can't get over the pencil-thin lightsaber look. It's annoying as fuck.

sdv

>>88220925
Empire Comic Series and its sequel Rebellion
Dark Times comic series and its first three issues released as Republic #78-80
Darth Vader and the Ghost Prison
Darth Plagueis
The first Darth Bane Novel (didn't like 2, have yet to read 3)

Tales of the X / Tales from the X books are very interesting as well but resulted in some of the most nonsensical EU stuff which I don't want to spoiler here
Star Wars Tales also has nice stories

>>88231111
I get how it can be offputting, but it's a homage to ANH lightsabers

>>88231074
Rey is a shit character who magically learned the full complement of OT force powers in a half hour with no training, she had hyper plot armor

is Aayla Secura /ourgirl/?

>>88220494
It'd be at least tolerable if Kylo Ren was even more OP or at least wasn't a complete bitch

>>88231074
He's a shit villain, period. Nothing about him makes any sense. Even worse than Jar Jar since he's not a comedy side character, he's the fucking villain face of the franchise now.

And shit villains make for shit movies. Look at Eisenberg's Lex.

Fucking Disney Kool-Aid.

>>88235380
Adam Driver should have died in a freak accident, not Anton Yelchin.

>>88235195
I kind of liked it how Kylo Ren was a bitch. It would have been annoying if everyone took him seriously, but his compatriots in-universe obviously don't respect him just like the audience doesn't respect him, so the "little bitch" characterization kind of works

>>88235400
I think his schnoz would have stopped the car from crushing him

>>88234451
That mind trick scene just made me want a Dune movie.

>Remove my mother's gag
>lolwut
>「REMOVE MY MOTHER"S GAG」

>>88235380
I just hate this "the villain is an inept manchild" trend. Why doesn't anyone try to give the villain depth without resorting to making them as comedically pathetic as possible anymore? I don't care how evil the villain is or how cruel their acts are, with very rare exceptions I can't give two fucks about them when they act like a retarded brat.

>>88234451
Rey vs Starkiller: who wins?
>88234003
Shut up, Wesley

>>88220925
Legacy of The force
Cry of shadows

>>88220900

Cam Kennedy is the tits but only, ONLY when he colors himself in his water color style.

Try reading his Boba Fett one-shots where somebody else colors his lines using typical digital techniques. You can't even tell it's him.

>>88220898
>You really can't see all of this stuff in one timeline like Disney implies with the Legends rebrand. You have to pick and choose what fits, otherwise you get a total mess.

That's how I always interpreted things (otherwise we'd wind up with Boba Fett getting eaten by and escaping from the Sarlaac Pit on 3 separate occasions).

That said, Dark Horse STILL tried to tie the Thrawn Trilogy and Dark Empire Trilogy together as continuations and it didn't work.

>Thrawn Trilogy ends with the last vestige of the Empire destroyed by the New Republic.
>Dark Empire Trilogy opens with the Empire rallying, retaking Corruscant and the New Republic being reduced to the Rebel Alliance all over again... all of which happened off-screen.

Either trilogy works fine as alternate Episodes 7-9, but not as Episodes 7-9 and 10-12. They're irreconcilable no matter what clumsy opening scrawl Dark Horse tried to slap on Dark Empire to patch the continuity.

>>88236496
It looked alright in Agent of Doom.

>>88230593
wow, rude

>>88238644

Art looked fine, but didn't look like Cam Kennedy.

>>88219307
No, just showing that past mistakes can be repeated

>>88200585
suncrusher plot. also Crystal Star is up there
>>88204716
you forgot centaur jedi
>>88200787
fuck you, I liked it

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