Daily reminder that Alan Moore is the greatest comic book writer

Daily reminder that OP is a faggot.

>>88170447
Wow, comics must suck is fish rape is the best we can come up with.

>>88170447
>>88170479
All true.

>>88170506

t. pleb

>>88170447
>Alan Moore spends years writing superheroes
>says superheroes are killing culture because they reuse ideas
>dredges up Victorian public domain characters and turns them into superheroes

what did he mean by this

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>>88170447
>Daily reminder that Alan Moore is the greatest comic book writer of all time

But he's not Carl Barks or Stan Sakai.

>Daily reminder that Alan Moore is the greatest comic book writer of all time

Hes not even a good capeshit writer.

He's just insecure because his capeshit stories are far and away the best of his works.

>>88170833
>what did he mean by this
It means even idealists gotta eat.

>>88170447
you almost had me, mr moore

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>>88170447
>Alan Moore is right that capeshit is destroying modern culture
Modern culture destroyed modern culture.
Comic books don't even make a scratch on modern culture.

>>88170447
He's fantastic when it comes to themes, foreshadowing, and connecting various elements into a cohesive, multi-layered whole.

His characters, though, feel like mere actors following directions, instead of living people. I guess that's the trade-off when you have such tight plots, but still.

>Daily reminder that Alan Moore is right and that modern superhero comic books are irredeemably shit
FTFY, because there are good comics out there.

>OP manages to make a post that is so false that even the "daily reminder" part is inaccurate

He's good

A few popular movies and some comics that that no one even buys can't destroy shit

For the most part, yeah

I don't care about this topic

>>88171938
Indiean pls

>>88172024
Prove me wrong.

>>88170833
Not really. In fact, that is totally misquoting and taking what he said out of context. Yes, he did state that Superheroes were killing the comic industry. However, the reason he said that is that no writer is allowed to do anything new with them with it being undone to maintain a status quo.

For example, take Loki Trilogy. It was easily one of the greatest things that had happened to the character for a while. It was one which deconstructed and reconstructed his character. In fact, it's ending is easily one of the greatest things to happen in capeshit.

However, in just a year it is undone by a fucking hack who barely acknowledges it and just wants to write his own story while showing no respect for the work Gillen and Erwing did.

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>any British writer
>good

>>88172207
You're not even trying, are you?

Alan Moore actually still is the GOAT comics writer, even if he is a salty old man.

>>88170447
Moore wasn't exactly right about capes, but he wasn't entirely wrong either.

Capes are for kids, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. The constant rebooting and reinterpretation of cape comics means that each generation gets to experience those characters in a way that connects with and makes sense to them.

This does mean however they can't ever provide any kind of fulfilling narrative journey to anyone who hangs onto those characters into adulthood, and it's either impossible or incredibly difficult remain invested in them when you watch them morphing into completely different characters than the ones you grew up with.

All that people who do this are doing is setting themselves up for disappointment after disappointment as they refuse to accept these characters and situations are no longer meant to appeal to them. This isn't some kind of defence of capes becoming more edgy or SJW pandering, the business model of the Big 2 simply made that change inevitable just as capes were different in the '90s to how they were in the '70s, or the '50s.

I do feel like adult comics fans could really do themselves a favor by letting capes go. Let the next generation have them, don't look back and move on to stories with an actual narrative structure, a beginning, middle and conclusive end and character development and progression. Because those stories can be satisfying in a ways capes never will be.

>>88170876
>literally who writers

>>88170447
>Daily reminder that Alan Moore is right and that modern comic books are irredeemably shit

Maybe mainstream geek culture oriented shit like capes and other kiddie shit. Comics targeted towards adults i.e "alternative/undergrund/comix" is in a golden age at the moment. Besides, cape/fantasy/sci-fi comics are dying and moving on to film/TV since that's a much better medium for them so what's he crying about anyway?

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>>88171832
hitler loved the movies, anon. why do you think that was?

>>88172779
Actually this brings up a different question, are people in Europe more familiar with Carl Barks or Alan Moore?

>>88171938
>his characters feel like mere actors following directions

cool emotional plea, anon.

>good comics are out there
and fewer and fewer of them are traditional capeshits.

>>88172024
found the capeshit

>>88172779
Really? Carl Barks created Scrooge McDuck and lots of other Disney characters. Stan Sakai made Usagi Yojimbo.

>>88172852
Carl Barks of course, since his duck comics are classics for all ages to enjoy. Moore has mostly made geek shit like capes for american shit publishers like DC/Marvel which aren't that popular in Europe.

How come Moore never misses an opportunity to put rape and women being beaten in his comics?

>>88170447
If Alan Moore hates capeshit so much, why is the only thing he knows how to write capeshit?

>>88172681
>these characters and situations are no longer meant to appeal to them

if that's the case, then there should be new characters. hence the shitty problem with Superman and Captain America and shit before the 1950s still being jammed down peoples throats via movies and fascist culture

>business model of the big 2
you aren't helping your case. that same business model stifles creativity and new ideas

>let the capes go
>but let the next generation have capes

you've shifted goalposts like 4 or 5 times, anon.

>>88172924
>G rated material is automatically more popular

that's not how it works

>>88172859
For good character writing I turn your attention to Garth Ennis' Preacher.

>>88172931
>i have not read any alan moore except crossed

Lost Girls is nothing but sex and no one is raped. try again

>>88173020
yeah i didn't read passed the first volume because it seemed contrived.

>muh random vampire

>>88172961
Alan Moore has done comics for adults too. One of /co/'s favorite Alan Moore comics is the short underground comic he did with Peter Bagge about the Kool Aid mascot. He has also drawn his comics back in the comix days.

>>88173058
You have a literal demigod enter a preacher's body that allows him to command anyone to do anything so long as they can hear and understand him, and you find vampires to be a difficult-to-buy concept in this setting?

>>88172961

He has just written a 1200 page piece of acclaimed literary fiction which is the 10th longest English language work ever published.

>>88172961
>Voice of Fire
>Jerusalem
>Halo Jones
>Swamp-Thing
>D.R. and Quinch
>Skizz

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>only thing he knows how to write is capeshit

>>88173157
>>88173151
>>88173069
Did you just respond to obvious bait?

>>88173108
fine. if i can find the time and if it's affordable, i'll give it a second chance

>>88173265
n00bs gotta know, anon. just like stan lee says, every thread could be someone's first

>>88170447
And daily reminder that everything he has done has been 100% purely derived from other people's work who he never ever credits and then claims that everyone in the world is plagiarising him. He's an old fool and a blowhard that only appeals to babbys

>>88173404
>And daily reminder that everything he has done has been 100% purely derived from other people's work who he never ever credits

Source?

>>88172976
I don't see how you're contradicting anything I wrote. There are new and more interesting characters for you to read about, ones that aren't superheroes and aren't published by Marvel or DC.

>let the capes go
>but let the next generation have capes
Yes. You let them go, let the kids have their versions.

>>88170447
He's a master storyteller.
He's allso a fucking cunt.

>>88170876
>every thread
Just stop.

>>88174272
When will I stop having to see people imply Alan is horrible based on snippets of things he's said about comics when all the evidence suggests he's actually an awesome and chill person?

>>88173002
Not that anon, but the Donald Duck comics in particular are fucking insanely popular. Especially in parts of Northern Europe.

>>88174688
When people learn to watch videos of him.

When you read him saying shit, the natural inclination is to assume that he's a total asshole who takes this shit way too seriously.

When you watch him saying shit, you realize that he's a friendly jokester with a lovely smile who says it all half in jest.

>>88175083
>says it all half in jest.
Do you think he was half-jesting to Morrison?

Do you think maybe they really don't even hate each other?

>>88170780
>defending that shitting on lovecraft
>probably liked the alice in wonderland porn
>calls anyone a pleb

>>88175131
i always thought they were joking

>>88174318
how mant "Alan Moore said this" threads do you guys have?

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>Alan Moore
>good

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>>88170447
Daily reminder that he's a bearded Bolshevik whose views haven't evolved since 1960, who subsists on the very thing that he whines about.

Daily reminder that said shrivelled Socialist shitfire contributes to the very destruction of our culture through his overly ponderous, slogging, overly perverted and naively ignorant diatribes such as "Watchman" and "League of Extraordinary Gentleman" (the movie was better).

>>88179658
>/pol/tard
>animu poster
the fact that Moore is indeed a fact doesn't make you any less of a retard

>>88179658

alan moore was 7 in 1960.

>>88179658
nice b8

>>88179993
>Anything political is automatically /pol/
I'm right, faggot. Deal with it. Your hero is a hipster troglodyte and a blight on the comics industry.

>>88180031
Doesn't change the fact that he has stereotypical hippy views from that time period.

>>88179658
Moore is an anarchist.

>>88172779
>real comic book "fans"

daily reminder he made fun comics like tom strong

>>88170479

/thread

>>88170447

Daily reminder that Stan Lee will devour Alan Moore's soul and in doing so live forever.

>>88172054
>However, in just a year it is undone by a fucking hack who barely acknowledges it and just wants to write his own story while showing no respect for the work Gillen and Erwing did.

That's nothing new though. That's been the problem with comics throughout many decades.

>>88172054
We need stronger editors

>>88170447
That'd be Araki

>>88184593
That could only happen if Alan lost his beard

>>88170447
Daily reminder that 90% of Moores portfolio is capeshit with a few rare islands of talent.

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>>88170447
Tezuka is better and more versatile and wrote his own stories. Taiyo Matsumoto as well, and Inio Asano. I mean sure he looks good compared to Western writers but that ain't sayin much now is it.

>>88184776
But it shouldn't. And apart from the abuse that their writers suffered, that was why Moore loathed the Big 2. In an industry that has evolved greatly since in started, that is unacceptable. >>88184805
has the right idea.

>>88170447
Will Eisner, Dave Sim, and Art Spiegelman

>>88170447
>Unpopular but true:
Grant Morrison IS a hack, but his shit is enjoyable.

>>88173935
"let the kids have their versions" is NOT LETTING CAPES GO.

if there was a different roster of characters, you might have an argument. but as it is now, superman and batman are what 80 years old? get rid of them. move on. take your own advice.

>>88184857
i'm gonna go out on a limb here and say you didn't do the math, nor did you read his works which are far better than most

>>88172779
>Not knowing Carl Barks
gr8 br8 m8 no h8, appreci8.

>>88185141
none of those are better writers than moore

>>88186061
Do you know what letting go means in this context? I hope when someone tells you it's time to let go of an ex-partner you don't go and murder them.

The only people who can retire capes permanently are Marvel and DC, and they're not going to bludgeon the goose that lays the golden eggs. The whole reason cape comics follow the reboot-reuse-recycle model is BECAUSE it's profitable.

>>88186165
you still aren't realizing that reboot-reuse-recycle model IS bludgeoning the goose.

let me guess, you can't wait to waste your money on yet another fucking shitty reboot?

>>88186181
How in the name of fuck did you get from my posts that I still enjoy cape comics? I'm the one saying adult readers are better off moving on from them. I couldn't give the slightest shit what happens to the Big 2.

>>88186198
if you'll recall, you vascillated back and forth, rationalizing the existence of capeshits. you have not made yourself clear.

>>88170833
>>88170447

I don't get Moore's anti-super-hero bullshit at all. It's like if Micheal Jordan came out against basketball.

It's something he was good at and made a living from, but he tries to knock down. I think it's something personal with him. Like >>88170963 said.

>>88172811

Because Adolf had great taste in everything.

>>88186261
lol i like how you replied to someone mocking capeshits and LoEG when clearly the OP talks about modern culture. what a happily false comparison

>>88186267
i guess that was why he was a vegetarian?

>>88170876
>Stan Sakai

>>88170447
Which one of the Watchmen Babies is your favorite, Ally?

>>88186281
Nobody's perfect, anon. Some people's stomachs just can't handle meat.

>>88171832

Exactly, if anything "modern culture" is destroying comics because it's leeching off them. They want to take popular, recognized characters and make money off them while doing so in a way that condemns the people who made them popular in the first place.

Comics are still "for nerds" but characters from comics are okay to like? That's where the bullshit comes from.

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>>88172931
>>88173027

No I agree with this anon. He does seem to bring up rape. Off the top of my head, three things I read from him have rape in them. Out of the four things I'm thinking about.

So I can admit I haven't read a lot of his work, but almost everything I read has rape in it.

>>88186276

Huh? I'm talking Moore's anti-super hero rants. Learn to read.

>>88186223
The very first thing I said is that I agree with Moore that they're for kids, and that attempting to hang onto capes into adulthood is futile.

I'm fine with cape comics existing, just like I'm fine with anything which doesn't personally interest me existing, because I recognise I'm no longer the target audience. A lot of criticism you see on /co/ of capes is
>not muh
And yeah, they're right, but that doesn't mean they should go back to how they were, it means it's not meant for you any more and it's time to move on.

>>88186647

It always annoys me when adults try to justify their love of childish shit by saying that it's actually got adult stuff in it. Like, yeah, I'm sure that children's cartoon has untold layers of complexity, but perhaps you should ask yourself why you feel the need to act like uncool stuff is cool, instead of just accepting that you like uncool things.

>>88170447
Miller and Pat Mills overall have a much better track record than Moore, and are nice people to boot.

Not even getting into any french/asian writers

GRANT
MORRISON

>>88173108

>and you find vampires to be a difficult-to-buy concept in this setting?

It did slightly awkward in a way; like, what the Hell are vampires in this setting? They have no apparent relation to Heaven or Hell and are seemingly the only supernatural beings besides the ones that originate from those in all of existence.

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>>88170447

>>88170447
Oh, here we fucking go....#3, the most mis-represented Moore quote ever...he doesn't think ALL modern comics are shit, he thinks all modern CAPESHIT is irredeemably shit. Don't think he'd write a blurb for Carol Swain's new gn if he thought ALL MODERN COMICS ARE SHIT. And he's good, but not the best comic book writer of all time. There is no ONE "best" anything in culture, Art is not sports. REEEE THAT WAS SOME WEAK-ARSE BAIT BUT I still FUCKING REPLIED ! ARGH!

>>88187072
You forgot Mike Baron, one of the greatest comic writers ever. His characterisation, world-building, empathy, deep compassion (not to mention wonderful dialogue--I challenge anyone to find more than a handful of cringey character exchanges in the whole Nexus run) and breadth of ideas make all the other "best" writers seem like high-school creative writing drop-outs.
And yes, I am the guy whose been storytiming the Nexus/Steve Rude stuff of late....

ITT
>CAPESHIT CAPESHIT CAPESHIT CAPESHIT CAPESHIT CAPESHIT CAPESHIT AM I COOL YET WITH REPEATING THIS BUZZWORD CAPESHIT CAPESHIT

>>88170833
characters =/= ideas

also

corporation pulling legal tricks to cheat creators out of the rights for their creations =/= writing adventures about public domain characters

>>88174318
>WAHH DON'T POST REPETITIVE REPLIES IN MY REPETITIVE SHIT THREADS
Nah, fuck off.

>>88186647
>A lot of criticism you see on /co/ of capes is
Bad writing, you unbearable condescending pompous cunt. "Not muh" is what idiots like you oversimplify the issue with.
That has nothing to do with "growing out of capes", "cape comics not being for you anymore" or whatever nonsense you're shitting the thread up with. You can find old cape comics as terrible as some modern shit or some good modern stuff as terrible as some old comics. Stop trying to sound so smug and patronizing when you have nothing intelligent to say.

>>88187903
Sports don't have a best either, nerd. Most of them are team sports.

>>88190112
>Sports don't have a best either
You say that, but Mike Tyson in his prime would buttrape every single boxer in existence.

>>88190112
>nerd

>>88190154
Ali.

>>88190310
He's dead.

Before you bully Alan, remember that whatever you do, you will have to live with for all eternity.

>>88170447
Moore is like my dads favorite comic writer, get with the times grandpa.

>>88186385
Let's see:

Moore works that have rape in them:

Miracleman
Watchmen (attempted, though)
Tom Strong (implied that Tom Strong was raped)
Top 10
LOEG
I think someone said Swamp Thing had something but I can't remember.

Moore works that don't have rape in them:

Supreme
D.R. and Quinch
Superman
Jack B. Quick
Splash Brannigan

Killing Joke had Joker committing sexual assault on Barbara and Jim Gordon.

Anything else? I still have yet to read Halo Jones and other stuff though, and it's been a long time since I read Promethea so I can't remember much from it.

>>88193297
>Killing Joke had Joker committing sexual assault on Barbara and Jim Gordon.
That's not explicit in the comic, though - they're definitely left in a dodgy situation, but it "fades to black" and ultimately the reader can decide whether or not they think anything sexual happened.

>>88193297
Providence has a body-swap rape and an unwanted alien blowjob.

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>>88172810
>Maybe mainstream geek culture oriented shit like capes and other kiddie shit. Comics targeted towards adults i.e "alternative/undergrund/comix" is in a golden age at the moment.

You know, it's posts like this that remind me of the last time there was an /indie/ thread on this board. Someone started a thread where people could discuss comics they were reading that weren't published by Marvel or DC. But at some point the thread practically descended into a civil war between people who read genre fiction comics from direct market publishers (Image, Dark Horse, IDW, BOOM!, Dynamite, etc) and those who read comics that were more "literary" in tone, subject matter, or target audience (Fantagraphics, Drawn and Quarterly, small-press publishers, etc.) The former shat on the latter and called them a bunch of elitist hipster snobs who only wanted to read mature comics for mature individuals such as themselves, and the latter shit on the former, calling them manchildren who read comics that were"capeshit" in all but name.

And then I thought, maybe that's part of the reason why non-Big 2, non superhero comics aren't as frequently discussed on /co/ as they could be. Not just due to ignorance or lack of interest, but because a lot of indiefags here are twats.

>>88193614
>but because a lot of indiefags here are twats.

Trust me, it's not just here where that's a problem. This is something that's always happened even as far back as the 1980's.

>>88172810
>since that's a much better medium for them
Oh, it's you again.
Fuck off.

>>88193297
Swamp Thing got raped in space
V for Vendetta had an attempt of rape
Moore's Vigilante story and maybe his Green Arrow one

>>88193891
>Moore's Vigilante story
that was fucking awful, but there was no rape, just a pedo and some dead whores

>>88193297
lost girls i think

i think Crazy Crissie is implied to of raped a subdued D.R in one of the single page stories

Halo Jones doesn't neither do his other tooth works, but he does always have women dying horribly. if there isnt enough rape

>>88193891
>Green Arrow one
missed that If its the one im thinking of, theres no rape, but Black Canary does get penetrated with a arrow

>>88193982
Hmm I remember that the villain in his Vigilante was a rapist but don't remember if rape was shown.

>>88194123
read it last month or just about, story is about a pedo who was caught molesting his daughter and killing a bunch of women till he found her,only to get run over by the friend of one of the women he killed.

Im fairly certain a point was made to say he didnt rape her which is why he got out of jail so easily via contacts.

>>88170447
I'LL KILL YOU

YOU DEGENERATE HACK

YOU TRIED TO KILL SUPERMAN AND YOU FAILED! YOU WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO NO MATTER HOW HARD YOU TRY!

>>88170447
>no mention of Jack Kirby still

Moore's not even close to the best. In fact, he's one of the worst.

>>88190287
almost like there was more to it than just one scene.

>>88193614
Or maybe trying to discuss multiple very different comics in a single thread is just retarded and was bound to lead to conflict. Try having a /capeshit/ thread for all cape comics, I'm sure the result would be much the same because in fact, everyone here is a twat.

/co/ can discuss indie comics just fine, but like any other comic each title needs its own thread.

>>88194261
>YOU TRIED TO KILL SUPERMAN
But anon, it was just an imaginary story.

>>88194746
Superman Red and Blue was a way better imaginary story that should have been the canon ending for Silver Age Superman.

>>88193297
Splash brannigan is a groper.

>>88193297
Superman had whores though.

>>88193297
>Tom Strong (implied that Tom Strong was raped)
What when was this?

>>88194261
Superman's been dead for years people just keep raising him back to life as necessary.

>>88170447
>Daily reminder that Grant Morrison is a fucking hack
No.
>Daily reminder that Alan Moore is right and that modern comic books are irredeemably shit
True.