So...what's Galactus' deal now? Is the lifebringer

>>88159982
>is it a genuine lasting change
No matter how long or how far or how hard you push that rock up that mountain, eventually it'll just come tumbling down.

Doesn't mean you should stop pushing.

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>>88159982
>Is the lifebringer schtick just a one time thing that's going to last until Eternity war which is going to restore the status quo? Or is it a genuine lasting change.
You sweet, naïve child.
>>88160026
This. That was the message of the issue. Needed it explained to me desu, to my shame
It shares the theme with Loki Agent of Asgard. But this Galactus rebrand wasn't the payoff to 4 years of other writers' stuff or supported by popularity in movies so it's significantly less likely to stick.

Why is Galactus orange now?

>>88161040
He's actually white and gold, that's just the lighting.

Now he breathes life into dead worlds instead of eating alive ones

>>88161049

I imagine that like that South park episode where Randy eats with ass and shits trough his mouth

>>88161040
Secret Wars rearranged the metaphysics of the multiverse and some Superscientists were able to use a new quantum particle to complete Galactus' incubation process. Kirby throwbacks were involved and crossreferenced.

>>88160982
>It shares the theme with Loki Agent of Asgard. But this Galactus rebrand wasn't the payoff to 4 years of other writers' stuff or supported by popularity in movies so it's significantly less likely to stick.

Literally a month after it was canceled he was being a stubble-twirling MRA analogue in Thor.

>>88161080
I'm suddenly not feeling so bad about not keeping up.

>>88161116
Yeah but he's still probably playing a long game and will backstab Malekith and Ymir when the time is right

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>>88161105
>MRA analogue
oh heavens no say it ain't so
Ya got worked son. Loki's still a gamesman.

>>88160026

nothing lasts.

>>88161178
That fucking beard.

>>88161192
Death is what gives life meaning.
To know your days are numbered,
your time is short.

>>88161192
And yet, everything stays.

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>>88161178
Loki isn't even a man half the time.

>>88160982
>Needed it explained to me desu, to my shame
Well, now I don't feel so bad about needing Multiversity explained.

>>88161178
When was Loki a cat?

>>88163739
In Squirlgirl

>>88159982
I'm gonna feel really bad when galactus returns to purple.

>>88161192
Everything dies

>>88163908
Why? the gold looks terrible

>>88168389
For real, he looks like a giant Fruit Roll-up.

>>88161040
Making Marvel great again, anon.

>>88168672
Plus they just gave him a fucking palette swap too. They didn't even change any of his patterns even, let alone his overall shape/silhouette

>>88161105
>Literally a month after it was canceled he was being a stubble-twirling MRA analogue in Thor.
that's fine, too.
The whole point was Loki now being whatever the story needed him to be.

>expected to revitalize dead worlds and bring them life
>can't even raise a child
pffft

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>>88161363
Sometimes he doesn't even bother to stay human. And Sleipnir's father will corroborate.

>>88159982
I just hope that there is the correct amount of fallout when Galactus turns back. He was literally the seed for a whole new big bang after the heat death of this universe. By a few arrogant humans changing him they basically doomed existence to end/become void at the end of all things. He is now tapping into the powersource that was supposed to be the next Big Bang in order to make a few planets and fight beings that were slightly above him powerwise but in the same organizational hierarchy in The Grand Scheme.

I just really want to see the Ultimates get called arrogant children by some higher being and then have their error explained to them so that it doesn't come off as "Adult didn't like what you did so he slapped your hand even though you did good." kinda thing.

>>88169283
>By a few arrogant humans changing him they basically doomed existence to end/become void at the end of all things. He is now tapping into the powersource that was supposed to be the next Big Bang in order to make a few planets and fight beings that were slightly above him powerwise but in the same organizational hierarchy in The Grand Scheme.
That's not what''s happening though anon. Even masters order and chaos are demanding he be lifebringer, it's happening right there in OP's page. The Marvel universe has shifted on a metaphysical and cosmological scale because of the universal reform after secret wars that has made Lifebringer big G possible when before it wasn't.

>>88169046
shhh we don't talk about her

>>88169283
But the universe did end though and Galactus did jack shit to restart it.

>>88169415
The post above you talks about, that's the point. His previous role is no longer there, thus there's no reason, at least for now, that he "Has" to be what he was.

After all, considering how all that shit started, I'm pretty sure when reed rewrote things he took "the universe is doomed no matter what" off the physics table.

>>88169382
They're demanding that he become the devourer again.

>>88161105
>he was being a stubble-twirling MRA analogue in Thor.
What the hell are you talking about

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>>88159982
>Or is it a genuine lasting change
It's the Big Two son, of course it isn't.

Now let's read the best Ultimates issue, in which Galactus faces the status quo.

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>>88169633
I really like this cover.

Also, this one minute wait between posts is terrible. This is how you kill storytimes.

>>88169633
so is this main-canon galactus or ultimate galactus

didn't those two personas merge or some gay shit

god why do they keep fruiting up cool characters

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>>88169690
Ultimate Galactus was a swarm of robots canon Galactus temporarily fused with and became super Galactus, but in the conflict the robots died and it was just canon big G occupying/attacking the Ultimates universe. Now that's the only Galactus.

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>>88169761
cool, thanks for the heads up anon

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>>88169761
HA the robots died before the big conflict, Ultimate Nova killed them all.

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>>88169839

>>88169415
>>88169464
That's not right, that is comparing getting shot to death in your 20s to dying of old age in your 80-90s. Galactus is there to ensure that when the NATURAL death of the universe happens due to heat-death that a new big bang happens. His role wasn't undone because the universe still works on the same principles of physics that control matter and energy.

Doom and the Beyonders wasn't the 'end of the universe' that Galactus was designed to stop, he is the last thing that happens at the natural end of the universe.

>>88169876
5 minute delay folks, my lapop died on me. Phoneposting right now, gonna be back.

>>88169952
thanks either way, anon

I hate the lifegiver thing but I'm a sucker for anything cosmic marvel

>>88169693
>and giving little thought to those living on them.
Get bent, half of the best Galactus stories mention how his cosmic awareness means he knows exactly how many beings are on a planet when he eats it and that he actually KNOWS them and sees their faces. Hell one went as far as to mention that he still sees their faces at their moment of death.

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>>88169876
Alright I'm back.

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>>88170011
Might I ask why? I think it's an interesting concept and Ewing really makes it work here.

But then again, I'm a sucker for the "status quo is shit" type of meta commentary.

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>>88170088
The reason this sucks is because it isn't a matter of status quo. Galactus had a solid and reasonable purpose in the marvel universe. They turned him into the lifebringer because of some kind of new age belief that death in any form is against nature. The Lifebringer is the comic version of those Futurama hippies that taught a lion to only eat tofu.

Life and death are part of existence, sometimes things need to die so that others can live, sometimes an animal eats another animal to live. Galactus eats worlds to stockpile energy to restart the universe after it dies.

They changed him because the idea of a neutral or good galactic entity that exists by feeding off of planets triggered them.

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>>88169876
>If that was ever true
>It is true no longer, Order
He has a point, Abraxas was erased from existence over 15 years ago.

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>>88169633
Based. This is one of my issues of the year.

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>>88170216
>>88170247
>>88170272
Did they redraw this art? I swear I saw it in a preview and the lines were a lot more crisp and there was a lot more detail.

>>88170057
I like that Galactus looks like he's rolling his eyes here. Like, he does not have time for their shit.

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>>88170338

>>88170349
No clue, got this from the Win O' way back when it came out.

>>88170338
In a creepy kind of way Molecule Man was being nice.

>>88170368
I like how meta this is. He knows that Galactus will return to normal eventually, but he thinks this story is still worth telling.

>chaos gets btfo when the inherent paradox of a guy who's job it is to be chaos is pointed out

lawfags WHERE WE AT?

>>88170531
Probably on /tg/. You could post that there and wank together.

>>88170697
Why do you single out /tg/?

>>88169046
if big G restores planets does little G eat planets now to keep rebelling against him?

>>88170905
Cause Chaos and Law are alignments, and /tg/ knows alignments.

Or at least, /tg/ likes to argue about alignments.

>>88169690
>so is this main-canon galactus or ultimate galactus
Considering it's not a giant swarm of robotic bugs, it's obviously not Gah Lak Tus.

>>88170295
That just means that he's now chilling in Oblivion's domain, because that's where stuff that gets wiped from existence goes.

>>88169864
Some of them survived and fused with the remnants of The City thanks to Ultimate MODOK, but they were finished off by Ultimate Machine Man.

>>88170216
>>88170247
I've said it before, but I really want a Molecule Man-hosted What If where he actively interferes in the stories when he doesn't like the outcome.

>>88172876
That'd be a fun twist on the old Watcher-ran What If?s where it always ended with him thinking about what had transpired and commenting on how he couldn't interfere. Instead of MM talking about how he can't interfere on the last page, just have him blatantly change the ending because he didn't like something about it.

I wish they'd bring back What If? Their current system of doing What If?s as ~5 issue minis for events is stupid.

>>88169925
>the universe still works on the same principles of physics that control matter and energ

But it doesn't. Ultimate Reeds says explicitly that while the big lines of the physics are the same the small stuff is a lot different.

>>88170236
hey surprise the universe died and restarted

>>88170110
I still maintain that the lifegiver shit is still kinda gay

but this panel is hilarious and great

>>88170296
>I am as I wish to be
>no longer I am because I must be
good for Galan

>>88172973
Honestly, if they just did, like, 2-4 issues of the hypothetical What If ongoing as "Civil War II Aftermath" issues or whatever, that'd be fine. They're obvious places to go for "divergence points" anyway.

>>88171691
Even though the Ultimates changed his purpose to the lifegiver, the universe still requires a destructive force. So the Ultimates help Galactus give life to an offspring that would fulfill his previous purpose, but also be caring and have empathy for mortal life.

IN EWING WE TRUST

>>88173924
>no reason to hate her father anymore
>implying Galactus himself was not always empathetic for mortal life
What's the point?

Wait, Eternity is the omniverse? He's everything? I thought he was just the universe.

>>88170110
>infinite cosmic powers
>just punch it

I guess Hal Jordan is contagious

>>88170236
>They changed him because the idea of a neutral or good galactic entity that exists by feeding off of planets triggered them.

You seem to be the only one getting triggered about the status quo being changed, friendo.

>always hungry/starving galactus
>so he jobs.

So how does it work now?
>always full
>food coma
>job?

BASTARDS

>>88178080
I think that's the anon that also gets triggered by reused panel art.

>>88170170
love this page

>>88178256
>Doesn't have to job because he's temporarily the protagonist and good guy

>>88178798
>aspect of the universe being a protag and good.

Well i hope we get a celestial comic not that emo fag the dreaming one though.

so is this series any good? I thought everything marvel was putting out was garbage

>>88178946
It's one of the few that is good.
In irony it's an example of Bendis logic of "Crossovers bring down the quality of good writers"

>>88178946
That't because you get your opinions spoonfed to you by contrarians.

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>>88163739
:^P

>>88168672
...And purple doesn't?

>>88170236
It was predicted that one day he would give back a lot more than he ever took. Also, humans don't want to die screaming in the mouth of a cosmic god, you can't blame them for trying to solve him. A major theme in the run is that the status quo isn't a neccesity, and even though cosmic balance is important, it doesn't mean that the definition of balance isn't subject to change.

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>>88170236
This is Universe-8.
Pre-Secret Wars was Universe-7.
Galactus is from Universe-6.
It counts, anon. The Isotope that made Lifebringer possible only even exists because it counts. Let it go already, you've gotten too twisted up in your own headcanony assumptions.

Why are you so clingy to that specific interpretation anyway?

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>>88176134
Multi-Eternity. From the FF story that had Abraxas.
t. anon from a prior Ultimates thread

>>88178946
Every single fucking time we have one of those threads there's an '*except Ultimates'

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>>88181780
>even though cosmic balance is important, it doesn't mean that the definition of balance isn't subject to change.
thisthisthisthisthis

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>>88170137
>"Dude, what the hell?"
>"If it's any consolation, this ass whooping I'm giving you is a lot more meaningful than it appears to be."

>>88178946
Garbage. Except for the people who like meta. Who are the easiest people to pander to.

>>88159982
>universe restarts
>Galactus is white and gold now
'sup [Galactus Over Heaven]

>>88178080
I just hate Ewing. He's a shitty writer who gets away with it by nostalgia fagging with metafags.

Also he's a pedo.

>>88161104
Can you list all the Kirby throwback references?

>>88182235
Its not really about balance, its about natural vs unnatural. The Beyonders are the definition of an unnatural end to the universe. They are literally from outside the marvel multiverse and destroyed it because they wanted to see what happens to a multiverse when it stops being.

Galactus was part of a natural system that was supposed to prevent the permanent death of the universe.

It's not some deep transformation, its "Hey, Kirby once wrote that Galactus would give back to the universe when it ended, and we ended the universe... so let's completely change him by using a retconned in element that only our retconned in character knows about or can access!"

The whole thing seems forced and needless. Galactus could be doing all of this as the devourer of worlds. His purpose as the devourer of worlds was to insure that the universe continues, to help protect his brother Eternity. They retconned his origin to now merging with the heart of the last universe to create a new form of life to help support that the marvel multiverse has been reset multiple times, even though that isn't what happened at all in the original.

I don't like this change because it seems like a bunch of idiots trampling over well written stuff with their soapboxes.

>>88160026
Is that really true though? Hawkeye isn't going to become a villain again, nor will Scarlet Witch of Quicksilver stay evil.

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>>88169722
>based Ward is doing the black bolt solo

>>88183380
And yet Scarlet Witch became one of the most hated mutants, and still has random moments when people go "Hey, I remember you! You depowered all mutants!".

Also Quicksilver has one of the most shady histories with him constantly being seen as a villain, a hero, an anti-hero, and etc that helps make sure that a large group of people always distrust him.

Characters get stuck in these patterns, these roles, that define them.

Look at Cyclops.

The thing is that I think the roles these characters play stay the same, but the world evolves around them so that certain viewpoints and ways of doing things change from being evil to being good.

>>88159982
I have this feeling that Galactus will remain not really galactus until marvel get the F4 movie rights back.

Just a feeling. Not sure why.

>>88170110
Finally someone punched that shithead in his dumb fuck mouth
Master Order has always pissed me off, he's such a shitter

>>88170272
so when did comics start using omniverse now instead of multiverse? Because back when i still read comics, an omniverse was something completely different than what it seems the writers today throw around

Is Slott's surfer run still going on? What's Norrin think of this?

>>88183948
Marvel has decided to rip off DC and have a 'superflow' blood dimension that all their universes float in, complete with a monitor mind like 'white space' or 'The Outside' that few beings can actually exist in. The old multiverse is gone because it was destroyed by the Beyonders and so they rebuilt it with the same design blueprints DC has.

>>88183866
That's kind of a weird opinion m8

>>88184002
so omniverse is just marvels comics then? Not all universes that ever existed in fiction or reality?
>complete with a monitor mind like 'white space' or 'The Outside' that few beings can actually exist in
Is white crown of the phoenix and white hot room still a thing?

>>88182111

More like "except anything by Ewing, who aims his writing pretty exclusively at hardcore comic book fans rather than going for a mainstream appeal"

>>88184002
>'superflow
That's been around for a while before secret wars and it was Ellis ripping himself off.

>>88184074
I don't think has been mention since Sentry sensed the void going there.

>>88181975
I wonder what Universe 1 was? Perhaps Universe 1-5 were the comics Marvel put out back when they were Timely Comics? Random monster, romance, mystery, etc books and the like.

So like
We see death often
She has avatars and shit
We've seen avatars of life
What does the aspect of life look like? Have we ever seen them?

>>88184002
Well I do remember one crossover confirming that the entire DC multiverse and the entire Marvel multiverse were brothers. If one was breaking down and being rebuilt why not use the same plans their brother uses? They do seem to pass ideas between them all the time, hell one time they even tried fusing.

>>88184262
>What does the aspect of life look like? Have we ever seen them?

Captain Universe.

>>88184381
Does she exist post-SW?
Or will there be a new one? Is that really the aspect of life? Seems kinda dumb 2bh
Aspect of death is a constant entity, but captain universe just kind of possesses different hosts
If there's ever a point in time where there's not a host is there just no aspect?

Why does big G even need to fucking keep Eternity being in chains a secret?

Doesn't every universe have a Galactus? Why does the burden fall on an abstract from a single universe to save the multiverse

>>88185540
Presumably his recent change made him the perfect candidate since his currently awol from his original cosmic purpose. Eternity is keeping it a secret for some reason and no other cosmic entity could know unless they went to the edge of the multiverse and saw Eternity in his entirety.

>>88184118
Not really. Mighty Avengers, New Avengers and Contest of Champions are all pretty accessible.

>>88170338
Hehe, look at his tiny little arms.

I've always hated the ultimate line and ultimates but this is pretty fucking great.

>>88187206
Maybe it's because it doesn't have absolutely anything to do with the Ultimate universe's Ultimates except for the name.

>>88187235
Could be,
Could be.

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>>88183312
>His purpose [...] was to [...] protect his brother Eternity.
exactly, and now eternity is in chains and he is trying to protect him

>>88170137
>Abstract entities meet to do battle in the abstract plane
>One character has to explain to the abstract entities how battle between abstract entities works.

I was lead to believe that Ewing is a better writer than this.

Why do the colours seem so fucked up in the dump. Its like they tried the old school type of colouring with vibrant colours but did not know how to pull it off because of lack of artistic knowledge.

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>>88176134
Each universe is Eternity, all of the Eternities together are the true eternity (the one who is chained up)

>>88187505
like the art itself it's just shit tier rushed computer bullshit drawn by someone who doesn't have an artistic bone in their body. this is really bad art.

>>88187728

I dunno, the art seems to be hit or miss. Some panels are nice, some are horrid, some things have good proportions and look well only to have some glaring mistake. Its really odd.

>>88183949
>Is Slott's surfer run still going on?
Yes, but plagued with delays because of Allred's commitments. Moreover it's below the cancellation level.

>>88187890
I think he does the cosmic trippy stuff beautifully, but the down to earth stuff is absolutely horrid.

>>88183948
Since the 80s, I think? There have been several mentions of the living tribunal being the guardian of the omniverse. Though multiverse and omniverse have been used alternately several times.

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>>88183172
Final issue of Mighty Avengers
Latter half of Loki
Give 'em a read sometime
>Also he's a pedo.
You actually gonna qualify this statement or are you just THAT guy.

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>>88183948
They're two different things.
>>88184074
Nah, he's wrong you're right.

>>88184226
All of that is canon to Universe-7/8.
Patsy Walker, Blonde Phantom, Millie the Model, Agents of Atlas, Fing Fang Foom and Groot and Xemu, keep in mind that Timely's first ever publication featured Namor & Human Torch.
Theoretically (and this should be aimed at >>88183312 too) Universe's 1-6 were all the reconizable Marvel Universe as well. Doom or Thanos or maybe both had a What If where they became omnipotent and met a dude called Galan on some backwater world, implying that the Universal death & rebirth process is cyclical.

>>88184262
Death's opposite is Eternity. I'm pretty aure he has an avatar but I can;t remember who.
There's the "Protector of the Universe" like Quasar but they're avatars of Infinity.
>>88184381
I could've worn Captain Universe was something entirely different. Like, made from energy linked to Prince Wayfarer and the Microverse or some shit.

>>88190740
What's weird to me is that Galactus was from universe 6, brought to universe 7, and is still here in universe 8. I was always under the assumption that Galactus would die in order to help birth universe 8. does universe 8 have their own Galan pre-black celestial kicking around.

>>88185540
616 is Universe Prime now, since the people fixing the multiverse are from there. t. Brevoot

>>88187484
It's for the audience.
Besides I'm pretty sure Galactus has never found himself in the position of fighting Order before so it's news to him.

>>88183146
[JIMMY EAT WORLD]

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>>88190923
oh fuck he's even got the black sclera eyes

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>>88183312
The circumstances of a Universal shift are not static. It doesn't have to be a cut and dry Heat Death - Big Bang to count, nothing so astronomical should be so comprehensible. There's wiggle room.
According to Ewing himself it probably shouldn't be "Universe-8" so much as "Multiverse-8", Presumably the end of Universe-6 that Galan experienced was an event consistent across every universe in the multiverse at the time. 616 has been obliterated and recreated at least 3 times pre-SW and nothing changed, because it was JUST 616.

>>88187484
They didn't meet to do battle, they met to tell Galactus to go back again. Chaos was under the impression that he is more powerful than Galactus so there would have been no battle involved just instant suppression, so Galactus punching him is kind of a big deal

>>88190523
>Final issue of Mighty Avengers
Good taste.
Mighty Avengers itself was only middling but that conclusion was one of the most emotional things I've ever read in comics.

Bad or good, I always imagine Galactus speaking with the dub Charles vi Britannia voice.

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>>88191807
>they met to tell Galactus to go back
/r/ Master Order version of this

>>88191858
That's the wig dude right?

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>>88191885
Lelouch's dad, the big bad of the show

>>88191907
Yeah, wig dude.

>>88184366
there was that one comic where the DC version of Eternity was female and fucked the Marvel's Eternity

what happened to Molecule Man's jagged face scar?

>>88192326
Did Secret Wars fix them?

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>>88170531
SON OF MAN. I AM HERE

>>88161178
That fucking cat

>>88169229
>>88161178
What's some good Loki and Thor?

>>88192792
Depends. Are we talking classic, ugly-old-man-who-wants-his-brother-dead Loki? Post-Siege, young and mischievous kid being tempted down his predecessor's path Loki? The memories of the first Loki in the stolen body of the second, trying to attain redemption for his past self's actions and stop himself falling back to evil?

For the latter two: Gillen's Journey into Mystery and Ewing's Loki: Agent of Asgard... though the main interactions between Loki and Thor are in the Original Sin miniseries, which was a bit shit.
Young Avengers takes place between the two but 1) doesn't have Thor and 2) is bad. Just be aware that Loki gets aged up from a child to a young adult in it.

>>88192792
The last few years have had God of Thunder, Agent of Asgard, and Original Sin: The Tenth Realm. Good Thor run, good Loki run, good Thor/Loki mini by both writers.
Agent of Asgard was a sequel to Kieron Gillen's work with Loki in Thor, Journey into Mystery and Young Avengers. JiM is especially well-liked.
Honestly the easiest thing to do would be to start reading from Thor's #1 relaunch after Civil War (the TPB's called Thor Reborn) and go from there. But maybe that's a little much.

>>88192410
I dunno. He could always fix it himself, I assumed it was either an unconscious or conscious choice not to in order to retain his humanity and ego at his power level. It's likely not even addressed verbally in-universe. Last time I noticed it was Secret Wars 2 with the Beyonder running around the Marvel Universe being an annoying meddler and trying to rebirth himself

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>>88192792
Oh, also there was a Loki mini over a decade ago by Robert Rodi & Esad Ribic. Real good shit. Predicts a lot of the Loki stuff I just mentioned.The TPBs called Thor/Loki Blood Brothers (as is the animated adaptation, if that's more your thing).

>>88192993
Sounds a lot like Doom's situation.

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>>88192792
Read Gillen's Journey Into Mystery.

Just do it, trust me. Here's a reading list.

>>88183948
>>so when did comics start using omniverse now instead of multiverse?
Moore's Captain Britain.

>>88184226
Universe-5 was a Full-blown Magic Universe
Universe-6 was the X-Men Animated Universe of the 90s

>>88183312
>The Beyonders are the definition of an unnatural end to the universe. They are literally from outside the marvel multiverse and destroyed it because they wanted to see what happens to a multiverse when it stops being

There was the implication that the beyonders were the closest thing to god in-story (While TOAA is the writer). They created everything, secretly manipulated it, tested it reorganized it, and when they got bored they destroyed it. The beyonders set the rules of what was natural, essentially.

Also, they altered Galactus because humans strive to suvive and, luckily, the cosmic balance isn't static. For the literal big heads that think the cosmic order can't change, that's sacrilege. For a being with a better understanding of the comic book universe/ neverending story, such as Owen Reece, change and the fight for survival are what keeps the omniverse afloat.

>>88190808
>Death's opposite is Eternity. I'm pretty aure he has an avatar but I can;t remember who.
Death's Champion, before Secret Wars, was Thanos and Oblivion's was Doorman.
Nowadays, who knows?

>>88190839
it's both.
it's the "prime" universe because it was the first to be rebuilt, but its quantum denomination(its "physical placement") is still 616

>>88191090
the last time before SW it involved another universe, actually... but we were also said universal fusions are "normal" if not "common".

Technically, the Time Variance Authority was in charge to collapse together "too similar" parallel timelines as well.

>>88170349

I think that's Christian ward art, not Rocafort

>>88193569
>There was the implication that the beyonders were the closest thing to god in-story
Each Beyonder is a universe personified, with Owen Reece-level powers if you want to believe the 80's/90's stuff.

>>88183948
>>88193487
It's basically just that Ewing uses "omniverse" because he's a Marvel UK kid.
Personally, I hate it, since it seems like the height of arrogance to act like your stories can affect those of people who've never even heard of them.

>>88190923
It's irreverent, aspirational - speaks to my needs.

>>88193595
Nope universe 8 , the prime universe is the order. I expect ewing to remove most of the multiverse into one "ultimate universe".

>>88193726
More specifically:
the OFFICIAL definition of "Multiverse" in Marvel is "all the dimensional plans and realms composing a timeline"
Multiverse-616 includes Universe(normal space)-616, Negative Zone-616, Dark Dimensions-616

Omniverse includes all the iterations\parallel timelines.

But Marvel never kept much consistency with terminologies, especially not since Gruenwald left us

>>88193856
Except there is still Earth-001.
The number means the POSITION not the IMPORTANCE.

616 is now the most important(or one of the most important) universe, but its "quantum address" is still 616.

As long as you all are discussing the Marvel Multiverse, are the Many Angled Ones still a thing?

I mean they technically existed outside the multiverse so none of this bullshit should have affected them.

I mean if the powers that be need a lifebringer, shouldn't they call them instead of fucking Galactus?

>>88193901
the Many-Angled Ones live in either the Superflux or the White Space\Neutral Zone. They got HURT, a lot, by Thanos back in Thanos Imperative.

Most likely they didn't have the necessary might to affect anything on a real cosmic scale for a while

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>>88193520
>Universe-6 was the X-Men Animated Universe of the 90s

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>>88193569
TOAA is the writing staff.
Beyonders are the editors.

>>88193901
How Secret Wars affected mystic entities is generally vague.
I wanna know Dormmamu's stance on it.

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>>88193901
Also
>outsourcing your universal caretaking to the FUCKING CTHULHU CORPS
WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG

>>88170474
Perhaps, for but a brief moment, that rock will stand on the peak and sisyphus will be relieved of his burden, if just for a moment. Perhaps that moment is worth all the effort.

>>88195420

Cap was a complete asshole in that story, thought. And hunted down all those that made sacrifices to salvage the multiverse.

>>88193901
The entire omniverse died, not just the lower, physical dimensions of the multiverse. And the entities and gods that may have been able to escape from the destruction were killed by the beyonders.

>>88195999
>The entire omniverse died
It was just he mahvel multiverse fampai.

>>88196042
Ultimates #5 and Loki: AoA #13 or 14 (I don't remember which one) explain that it was the entire omniverse. Hickman and Ewing use "multiverse" and "omniverse" alternately to refer to everything that exists. They are essentially synonims.

>>88196111
>everything that exists
Incursion didn't happen to DC universes, Valiant universes our universe for that matter. It was only Marvel.
>They are essentially synonims.
Except they're not.

>>88192975
Young Avengers is also the ugly stepchild in between Journey Into Mystery and Agent of Asgard.

>>88195573
>WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG

Nothing.

Everything will be fine.

>>88196191
>Incursion didn't happen to DC universes, Valiant universes our universe for that matter. It was only Marvel.
various thousands of universes were destroyed when Doom detonated the Molecula Men Time-Travel Bomb against the Beyonders.

it makes sense those universes were among them.

Also, (almost)everything was remade so they wouldn't notice anyway

>>88196238
pains of growth.

>>88196238
I read the first volume of YA and thought it was actually pretty good.
Then I read the rest and realised that none of what I thought was lead-in actually went anywhere and felt cheated as fuck.

>>88196111
See >>88190594. They're different.

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>>88196362

BIG G IN THE HOUSE

>>88200824
DROP THE BEAT, HERALD


Damn, I hope that with Ultimates2 Ewing goes back to writing stuff as out there as this particular issue or issue 5. Both were probably among the best issues I have read this year, and almost definetly the best from Marvel. I fear that travel foreman won't be able to capture the feel the way Rockafort and Ward did.