Marvel Overshadows The DC Films Universe In This Year's

>>88093055
I mean, that's not surprising.
Marvel films from this year were by and large much better than the smattering of DC films we saw.

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>>88093055
Let me guess, only Skwad got nominations, right?

>>88093176
Both BvS and Skwad got one nomination each both for best actress

>>88093203
>both for best actress

in an action movie

Tilda will win

FUCK

MARVEL

>>88093055
>Shills Choice Awards
Fixed.

inb4 DCfag; I've watched all the MCU so far and at this point I know when critics are being bribed.

WE AWARDS SEASON NOW MOTHERFUCKERS
when do the Oscars get announced I can't wait to see how many civil war is going to get

>>88093590
Damn. I guessed "shills" would be within five posts, but it was the sixth.

>>88093688
he technically isnt wrong about that first part

>>88093619
You and I both know that neither DC nor Marvel will get any Oscars beyond "Best Special Effects" (if that), unless an actor dies. Great as Ledger's performance was in The Dark Knight, I think we can all agree that the Academy Awards are run by stodgy old bastards who don't give a damn about superhero movies.

is anyone surprised by this? With exception of Apocalypse critics ate the marvel offerings up, despite them being objectively poorly made films.

That said, i really like BvS and parts of Squad but they were never going to heavy hitters with the appalling editing they had, its a shame producers wont just put out the films their directors actually make.

>Inb4 i get called a dcfag
Punisher '89 is my favourite capeshit film

>>88093055

so Gal is on the best actress category. LOL

>>88093980

...>>88093248

>>88093590
when they succeed it is because of a conspiracy, and yet when they fail it is attributed to the movie itself?
sounds like you just want to see marvel fail, and cannot comprehend the fact that most people do in fact like it, a lot

>>88094055
>like you just want to see marvel fail
you're on /co/, at this stage how could you not?

>>88093884
apo wasn't a marvel offering

>>88094232
thanks for the input anon, can see that you're an intelligent poster who really wants to contribute to the discussion.

>>88094185
because this is /co/ - MCU

you probably shouldn't be here if you don't love these movies

probably shouldn't be on /tv/ either though

>>88094308
marvel film, as was deadpool. Then again i dont see either listed there so i probably shouldn't of mentioned it.

Fuck company warz

>>88094480
wars need two sides

>>88094332
out of interest what is the /tv/ consensus on them overall?

>>88094055
>and yet when they fail
Name a failed Marvel movie in the eyes of critics.

>>88094633

Fant4shit

>>88093848
this. ledger probably wouldnt have been nominated if he didnt pass away. after that happened people were petitioning he be recognized with a nomination for his final role, and the academy would look like assholes to not do it.

Look Marvel sucks at comics, DC comics are great! Dc movies suck but marvel movies are pretty fun.

>>88094804
consensus indicates that these statements are widely held

>>88093884
>despite them being objectively poorly made films
Fuck off with this bullshit.

>>88094851
well its true.
Civil war's only real credit was the guy who played Crossbones and Black Panther (Zemo was good to but not a very good adaptation). Otherwise it had awful cinematography, special effects, editing, choreography, aesthetics, score, loyalty to source material and writing and for the most part, performances also.

Strange was a bit better, but still had essentially all the same failings attributed to iron man 2 or thor 2.

No one is saying you cant enjoy them anon, but that doesn't make them good.

>>88094804
Who will unfuck themselves first: Marvel Comics or DC/WB films?

I think Marvel's close to hitting bottom which will force them to toss out their terrible progressive pandering to go back to what makes money. WB are making just enough cash to be unhappy and want to executive meddle but not enough to make any major changes like firing Zack Snyder into the sun.

>>88093884
>objectively

Stop acting like your personal opinions are facts you /tv/ faggot.
You're not a film critic. You're not a film scholar. Stop acting like your parroted opinions have any validity to them.

>>88093884
>Punisher '89 is my favourite capeshit film

Now THAT is an objectively terrible movie with terrible cinematography, editing, acting, faithfulness to source material, score, directing etc.

I question your taste in everything.

>>88095176
>You're not a film critic
he did as much as any other critic does

>>88094541
The majority of /tv/ hates the MCU and thinks the DCEU is capekino

>>88095176
But its true, and dont act like most film critics review films objectively either because they dont.
You're not just upset because i talked shit about your favourite films are you anon?

>>88095281
oh i know that and i agree with you (Except for the cinematography being bad), but i like it for nostalgia as i always watched it on VHS as a kid alongside Cobra.

>>88095019
>Otherwise it had awful cinematography, special effects, editing, choreography, aesthetics, score
But you're wrong.

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>>88095764
c'mon dude

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>>88096040
i mean

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>>88096084
why you gotta lie like that?

>>88095601
>But it's true
You're not the authority on anything film related my contrarian friend.

And there's not a better way to spot a /tv/ casual than the usage of the word "objective".

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>>88096040

What is wrong with this?

>>88096084
>>88096135

Trailer gifs?

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>>88096482
why you gotta lie like that?

>>88096201
fucking hell anon here >>88095019
you write like a whiny bitch who got upset when someone said you had shit taste.

And there's no better way to spot a retard who knows nothing about film than someone who unironically think CW was a good film.

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>>88096433
>>88096482
>>88096519
dude, the cgi is awful in them and its awfully shot. The shitty CW shows recently released some shots of their upcoming shows that managed to pull a far better group shot than CW (the film did). I mean its hardly good but its far more dynamic than CW.

and shit dude>>88096433>>88096482>>88096519
are you trying to say this is good cinematography or use of cgi or something? because its either awful or bland as shit.

>>88096642
you have completely wowed me with you're compelling argument anon well done, you clearly are a intelligent person.

>>88096877
>Implying im a dc fanboy
ffs anon

>>88096482
>>88096771
both of you are full of shit

>>88096933
again, what a compelling argument

now tell me five films you have seen more than once that are older than 1940.

>>88097025
>both

>>88097041
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACL8nKOUoxk&t=834s

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>>88097041
>you have to watch old movies to get compelling arguments

>>88097062
ok anon, thats nice :)

>>88097165
if you're gonna argue you have knowledge on film then yeah, it kind of helps, you nonce.
Also a MSPaint .jpg is now a compelling argument?

>>88097272
Would you just make good on your name already you absolute waste of matter.

>>88093055
>critics
Who gives a fuck what these shits think?

>>88097380
would you get a good argument?

>>88097415
>would you get a good argument?

>>88097062

>>88097415
I'm not even the guy arguing with you, I'm just sick of seeing your shitposting and attention whoring.

>>88097475
>Implying im gonna watch that shit
>Literally just proving you cannot even think for yourself to come up with any convincing argument to contradict my points.
u dumb as shit nigga

>>88097534
>shitposting and attention whoring.
nigga, i've only commented to people who replied to me, how in anyway is that attention whoring or shitposting. Or are you just the same person?

>>88097541
>Implying im gonna watch that shit
>Too dumb to watch a video
>Wonders why no one bothers with him

The film is a critical and financial smash hit that fans love.

Who gives a shit about a random on 4chan?

>>88093055
>Marvel and DC have published plenty of great comics
>Disney and Warner Bros. are responsible for countless incredible cartoons
>people would rather shitpost about liveaction movies

...

>>88097630
you evidently do as you keep responding.
>u dumb as shit nigga
top kek

>>88097611
You're shitposting because your posts are shit.
You're attention whoring because you're a faggot who thinks his opinion matters enough to slap a shitty name on it whilst shitposting on an Indonesian cum connoisseur forum.

>>88097695
wait till next wensday for any good comics discussion man, or y'know, make a thread.

>>88097723
damn dude, pretty sure you're autistic.

good contribution to the discussion by the way.

>>88094310
>thanks for the input anon, can see that you're an intelligent poster who really wants to contribute to the discussion.
You're not too intelligent either pal, if you think your opinion stand above everyone else's.

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>>88097041
>now tell me five films you have seen more than once that are older than 1940.
Why does anon have too? I mean I'm old too but fuck does any network show anything around 1940 that anyone will just have time to watch?

>>88097883
when did i say that anon?
>>88097966
most films channels anon, and a large majority of that era is online for free anyway

>>88098080
You didn't say it, obviously. But you did imply it by saying it was an objective fact about the movies you were criticizing.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, sire.

>>88098185
its mostly me and one marvelfag to be honest

>>88098199
>But you did imply
not really, simply because i spoke objectively doesn't mean i consider myself more intelligent, then again looking through this thread...

perhaps you're right peasant.

>>88098433
>objectively
It's not objective, though. It's subjective.

Other people may not share the same view as you, sire.

>>88098269
It's mostly you

>>88098466
but it isnt subjective, the film had terrible cinematography, cgi, score etc. You cant deny it as its literally on the screen as you watch it.

The only way you could think otherwise is if you dont actually watch many films or simply refuse to believe anything that goes against your view on things.

>>88098581
probably, guess you should stop replying then, huh.

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Dr strange made me physically cringe in theaters. At 27 years of age, Ive truly had enough. Only if based evans gets screen time will i watch another marvel family romp.

>"beyonce?"

>>88093055
and water is wet

>>88098659
>the film had terrible cinematography, cgi, score etc. You cant deny it as its literally on the screen as you watch it.
Yes, I can deny it. And unless you present more compelling evidence to clarify your argument aside from images and gifs then I am not going to believe you.

>The only way you could think otherwise is if you dont actually watch many films or simply refuse to believe anything that goes against your view on things.
My favourite films are 12 Angry Men, Suspiria and Metropolis. And of course I'll refuse to believe those things if someone says they're objective when they're clearly subjective.

>>88093055
>*Popularity Choice Awards
fixed it for you

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You mean the company that makes entertainingly bland movies is better liked than long, morose nonsense?

I say this as someone who is sick to shit of Cape movies

>>88095083
As a black comic fan who's favorite character was replaced and hates with a passion what marvel has become I hope this is true

>>88098767
i posted some earlier evidence of that in the thread anon, and all that i got responded with was screen caps that only furthered my point. but from your point of view using images from a film when talking about bad cinematography isnt a valid point so its a bit like arguing with a brick wall here.

You want a good film that have multiple fighting at once and has good choreography? look at any shaw brothers film or even Chow Yun Fat action films.

>My favourite films are 12 Angry Men, Suspiria and Metropolis.
ok? that nice, my favourite films are Phantom of the Paradise, A Lady in the Dunes and Lady Snowblood, not that this proves anything or goes against what i said.

How about you post some examples of good cinematography or choreography from the film?

>>88094633
Iron Man 2 was considered pretty unsalvageable, if I remember right.

>>88098185
>that pencil dick

lol

>>88099003
Except >>88096519 and >>88096433 don't exactly look like bad cinematography, the composition is very good and the colors contrast to show a darker focal point within the picture, creating a foreboding mood.

>You want a good film that have multiple fighting at once and has good choreography? look at any shaw brothers film or even Chow Yun Fat action films.
Okay, I wasn't talking about fight choreography but how was it bad? Present evidence. I don't care if Shaw Brothers or Chow Yun Fat films have good fight choreography, we weren't talking about them previously.

ok? that nice, my favourite films are Phantom of the Paradise, A Lady in the Dunes and Lady Snowblood, not that this proves anything or goes against what i said.
It does, you said I don't watch many films and I do.

>How about you post some examples of good cinematography or choreography from the film?
Unlike a lot of other people on this board I don't take screenshots of films for the sake of starting arguments with others.

>>88099022
>>88096933
Fuck, nevermind. I guess any bland 5/10 gets a 70% and a Certified Fresh these days if they're inoffensive enough.

>>88093055
>posts a only headline and a link

When did this place literally become reddit?

>>88093848
Not true, Mad Max got nominated for everything last year including Best Director and Best Picture. Comic book movies are just not really that good aside from a few out liars like TDK, they're content with just playing it safe and making middle of the road blockbusters to make as much money as possible.

>>88093055
>at the very least enjoyable films are liked more that boring, depressing slogs that totally betray the characters
I'm shocked. Haven't they read any of the BvS essays? Don't they realize how super deep and amazing it really is?

>>88097966
>but fuck does any network show anything around 1940 that anyone will just have time to watch?

You ever heard of Turner Classic Movies? It's old movies 24/7.

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>>88099210
>don't exactly look like bad cinematography
correct its just dull, which i did previously state.

>Okay, I wasn't talking about fight choreography but how was it bad?
you asked for evidence of what i was saying, i gave you examples to contrast to dipshit.

>It does, you said I don't watch many films and I do.
no it doesn't, just says you have a slightly against he norm, but not very much taste in film. Doesn't exactly prove you watch a lot of films.

>Unlike a lot of other people on this board I don't take screenshots of films for the sake of starting arguments with others.
HAHAHAH, the were from fucking google images mate. This shit works both ways, i posted examples for my viewpoint, now try and counter me with your own evidence or gtfo you absolute faggot.

>>88099270
>>88099299
did you mess up there?

>>88096040
>>88096084
>>88096135
All you're doing is posting things and saying "See". You havent elaborated on what makes them objectively bad to the point no one should think they're good. You can not defend your position.

>>88099545
-In the first image the cgi on the suits is awful and looks worse than the cgi suit used in the original 2008 Iron man.

-its a terribly composed shot designed to look epic but failing spectacularly and looks awkward as fuck in motion. Oh, not to mention the bad cgi again.

-Do you really need me to go into detail here? seriously? Just look at Panther there for starters.

>>88096135
>Spidery and Warmachine have the same walk cycle

kek

>>88099746
Those are opinions, not facts.

>>88100240
goodnight anon, i hope for your sake you eventually get over the wall you've built yourself.

>>88100311
You too

>>88093055
>Marvel had at least 4 films
>DC only had two

gee big surpise the company with the most movies was the one to overshadow the other

On the other hand all of the cape movies this year where garbage so who fucking cares; capes movies need to die already

>>88100311
>>88100421
get a room you two!

>>88100311
>Mommy~ people don't like my opinion!!!

>>88100704
MCU had 2 movies this year and the MCU alone has more nominations, you dolt

>>88093055
>MCU > DCCU
And water is wet.

>>88093203
>BVS Best Actress

What? For all four of her lines? Fuck off.

>>88097397
Those who keep posting RT screencaps.

Fire Snyder, quit trying to catch up to Disney. I don't care at all about company wars except that DC's the only real competition for Disney and they're pushing huge turds. If Disney goes unchallenged, they'll get lazy and the movies will stop being good.

>>88099388
Mad Max was made by an old guy they all knew who made it "the old way". Of course the Academy...filled with old people, will like that.

>>88104268
You know the Academy is filled with current actors right?

>>88100704
They both had two. Nice try though.

>>88104413
Once you're in the academy, you're in it for life though. It's probably filled with retired actors, tech guys, writers, directors, you name it. If you were a rising star, and accepted an invitation in, and then your career petered out and haven't worked in years, you're still in the academy.

>>88101531
Yeah

>>88093055
They can't keep getting away with this

>>88093055

Well deserved.

>>88101362
yet no one can back up their opinion against him, funny that

>>88107281
Pretty sure i saw some do it.

>>88107502
kek where

>>88096834
You don't get a 90% if your movie was garbage man. Even paid shills can only do so much.

Of course, that also begs the question, why wasn't DC using shills as well since they're one of the biggest comic book companies in the industry?

>>88099746
You say that as if DC is rocking good CGI themselves.

At least the iron man suits look plausible and don't look as though they've been dipped in mud and filmed using a gray filter.

>>88097397
>When it supports me: Look at these review scores.
>When it doesn't support me: Who cares what these cucks think?

>>88093055
>Civil War
>Doctor Strange
One near-unanimously praised movie and one generally thought to be good movie.
>BvS
>Suicide Squad
Two near-unanimously hated movies, even if they made mad bank.
>Deadpool
>Apocalypse
One near-unanimously praised movie and one near-unanimously hated movie.

Remind me what part of this is meant to be surprising?

>>88095083
>I think Marvel's close to hitting bottom which will force them to toss out their terrible progressive pandering to go back to what makes money.
The funny thing is that the "progressive pandering" is actually entirely unrelated to Marvel being shit right now.
Their worst ANAD books were stuff like Slott's Spider-Man, Bendis Iron Man, All-New X-Men, Buckybolts, Hercules... sure, there were some shit books with Progressive characters in, but one of the best ANAD ongoings was dismissed as soon as it was announced as a "diversiteam" with no white men on it.
Marvel getting rid of the progressive pandering and changing nothing else would result in an equally shitty Marvel.

>>88110741
its surprising that people still denounce these awards when it goes against them, while simultaneously using it to brag when it supports them

>>88101382
>>88104481
Thought this list was counting all the non-MCU movies like Deadpool and the X-Men movie

>>88110115
because its honestly unlikely there are shills on either side. This doesn't change the fact critics will rarely go against he popular zeitgeist and for the most part have shit taste. Look at this year for example, Ghostbusters or Force Awakens.

Dont think i dont think SS and BvS dont deserve the poor ratings, both of their theatrical editions were fucking garbage, beuatifully shot, cheographed garbage, but still garbage. That said there were certainly a lot of reviews that didnt actually adress the problems actually present within the film and more wined about politics or not muh. Thankfully the UC rescued BvS and hopefully something similar will happen for SS.

>>88110635
>You say that as if DC is rocking good CGI themselves.
No i dont, dont be a faggot and deflect this into a fanboy thing, the iron man suits look fucking awful and have done more and more with each film. same as Hulk to be quite honest.

Snyder's films make the best usage of CGI i've seen. That being said SS was very mixed in quality and WW looks awful.

>>88093055

what a surprise

SAID NO ONE EVER

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>>88093055
>comicbookmovie

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>>88111102
>dont be a faggot and deflect this into a fanboy thing
>Snyder's films make the best usage of CGI i've seen.

>Unfortunately, Batman v Superman and Suicide Squad were only recognised with Best Actress in an Action Movie for Gal Gadot and Margot Robbie.

Wow

Just straight up wow. Really? Gadot?

>>88108974
When he couldnt back of the objectivity of Marvel's badness.

>>88094633
Hulk

>>88111217
not an argument anon

>>88093055
Not surprising, DC's offerings were turgid shite.

There is literally not a single redeeming quality in SS or BvS.

>>88093055
Well, were there any better action movies than Strange and Civil War this year?

I don't remember any.

>>88111791
Israeli money.

>>88113395
If you're going for the actual action the DC films were far better then either Marvel film, deadpool too.

Hardcore Henry was the best action film this year though.

>>88113445
DC films were incoherent and without a sense of peril of any kind of engagement in the conflict. You need more than big explosions and dude staring really hard at each other for an engaging action sequences.

Deadpool was okay.

Hardcore Henry was a highly enjoyable mess. As much as I enjoyed parts of it, it became pretty repetitive pretty quick.

Do we really have nothing better this year?

>>88113304
Then why'd you say it?>>88113304

>>88093884


Can you answer this for me, man?

>>Bruce should have investigated Supes, if he and Lex want to kill Superman, discovering his identity or information about him is primordial. Lex managed to do this, so why not Bruce?
>>Why Luthor used a bomb to explode the congress, that was easily conected to him, that would make him go to jail anyway at the end?
>>Why he made Doomsday, if he had no way to control him? Is he completely insane?
>>Why Superman has halucinations with his dead father? Is he retarded?
>>Why you kill the main hero of your universe on the second movie, when he barely had any characterization?
>>Why you think it is a good idea to make a MC with almost no agency?
>>Why Superman didnt shouted to Batman that his mother was kidnapped?
>>Why Batman think that WW is with Superman, if he knows her identity and is actually the only one that talked to her?
>>Why kill off Clark Kent, the human aspect of Superman?
>>Did they expected anyone that doesnt read comics to know what the hell was happening on the Knightmare sequence?
>>Why not use the credits to show the JL members, instead of akwardly shoving them in the middle of a dramatic scene?
>>Why this movie sells less than Deadpool?

Not wanting to be an ass, but I really want to know what people have to say.

>>88113892
i guess
>>Bruce should have investigated Supes, if he and Lex want to kill Superman, discovering his identity or information about him is primordial. Lex managed to do this, so why not Bruce?

correct me if im wrong but didnt he already know? The dialogue seemed to at least imply that when they met at the party.

>>Why Luthor used a bomb to explode the congress, that was easily conected to him, that would make him go to jail anyway at the end?

Was it easily connected to him? Either way i doubt he expected his only witness (Supes) to live anyway. And he went to jail for more than just that anyway.

>>Why he made Doomsday, if he had no way to control him? Is he completely insane?
Pretty much, he expected he could control him as he saw it as his child, drawing parallel to his own childhood experience.

>>Why Superman has halucinations with his dead father? Is he retarded?
Just a kind of standard story telling technique, have you never come across it before?

>>>Why you kill the main hero of your universe on the second movie, when he barely had any characterization?
i disagree with that to be honest, regardless only answer i can give is because the creators decided to have it happen.

>>Why Superman didnt shouted to Batman that his mother was kidnapped?
You mean like a black canary thing? Dont think supes has a super scream.

>>Why Batman think that WW is with Superman, if he knows her identity and is actually the only one that talked to her?
Did he actually know her identity? From what i remember he only had some vague idea as to what she was from the war photo. Shouldnt be to far a reach to think the only other super human would be with supes.

>>Why kill off Clark Kent, the human aspect of Superman?
thats probably something to be later addressed. What happend when supes came back from the grave in the black suit?

1/2

>>88113892
>>Did they expected anyone that doesnt read comics to know what the hell was happening on the Knightmare sequence?
probably not, but a film shouldnt really spoonfeed its audience or tell everything right away, a proper explanation will likely come in one of the darkseid films.

>>Why not use the credits to show the JL members, instead of akwardly shoving them in the middle of a dramatic scene?
they shouldn't of done it period, the entire scene was terrible, but credit sequences are an equally bad idea.

>>Why this movie sells less than Deadpool?
action comedies are popular i guess. While i think the film was kind of bad it does make me hopeful for some of the other X films now.

>Not wanting to be an ass, but I really want to know what people have to say.
Its cool man, nothing wrong with that

2/2

>>88114510
>Dont think supes has a super scream.
ignore that, he used one in final crisis

sweet

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>>88113514
>DC films were incoherent and without a sense of peril of any kind of engagement in the conflict. You need more than big explosions and dude staring really hard at each other for an engaging action sequences.

This. Marvel brought their A game for 2016, incredibly inventive action sequences. 2017 looks damn good too.

>>88117049
im fairly certain he was being sarcastic there

>>88117401
>im fairly certain
>im

Are you stupid?

>>88117049
>Thor wearing his helmet
i want to believe this is real

>>88093055
No one gives a fuck about any of the categories they're nominated for at the Critics Choice Awards. It's all about Best Picture, Actress, and the TV stuff.

>>88117446
>Caring about grammar on 4chan
pretty petty anon

>>88117049
is this an official image?

>>88118273
>is this an official image?

yes

>>88118281
damn.
Cautiously excited now.

good