Considering the fact that Tim Burton also supervised and directed

bump, I really want to know the answer.

>>88081323
>>88081540

I never believed it was part of the movie

I always considered it to take place in an alternate universe

>>88081323
Burton directed that show? Holy fuck, that's why it was so good.

>>88081323
>At the end of the movie Beetlejuice gets blown the fuck out into the nether realm.
>In the cartoon he's bros with Lydia
It's almost as if there is a disconnection here.

>>88081323
no if it were canon the Maitlands would be there

>>88081323
I remember watching the cartoon as a kid before I saw the movie, and I was really confused why Beetlejuice was the antagonist. With such a big distinction between the two, I can't see how it's in the same canon unless there's something in an early episode that explains it.

Burton's involvement doesn't really legitimize anything, considering he's a hack.

>>88081649
Show takes place one year later from the actual movie.

>>88081540
I like to think so and that it connects other Tim Burton movies into a universe via the Netherworld. I know Prince whatever depresso mcdousche was actually from a short story Tim Burton wrote or something, not sure about any other evidence aside from Burton directing the cartoon though.

>>88081638
Only a few episodes, but he was head producer, too.

>>88081323
Lydia wanted nothing to do with Beetlejuice in the movie, in the cartoon they're friends

Also I'm pretty sure she's younger in the cartoon than the movie

Also I remember her parents knowing Beej exists in the movie...in fact, didn't they summon him to begin with?

So no it's not canon

>>88081669
>bluh bluh is a hack
I want this meme to end.

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>>88081323
no

>>88081698
Get out of /co/ and have the part of your brain that remembers 4chan exists exposed to heavy amounts of chop stick or knitting needles.

>>88081715
This wasn't meant as an insult, it was my recommendation to get away from that meme. /co/ doesn't LIKE ANYTHING it discusses

>>88081680
Beautifil nip

>>88081323
almost every movie back in days have cartoon version
so it was just for money probably

>>88081671
Still, there are lots of contradictions like >>88081655. The alternate universe theory seems to be the most plausible option.

>>88081698
>using an applicable word is a meme
Dude made his career on ripping off German silent movies and pandering to goth tweens. Fuck him.

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>>88081680
kek

>>88081758
Burton's fanbase may be absolute cancer, but still, he's a solid director.

>>88081745
>just for money
I never saw a cashcow cartoon getting 4 seasons in a row.

>>88081745
Ever buy one of the old Aliens Kenner action figures? They had a non-canon comic included with them where the Marines survived Vietnam Conflict Metapho-, erm, I mean the movie. I remember my dad's reaction being the first nerd-rage I've ever witnessed.
This tells me that they were gearing up for an Aliens animated series to tie in with the toys. A Saturday morning animated series about monsters that were literally designed as an artistic presentation of elemental rape. Look it up, that's what Giger was going for.

>>88081791
He's a kid with daddy issues who loved his dog. We get that.

Doesn't have to keep inserting it into his work.

>>88081816
I was about to mention The Adventures of Teddy Ruxpin but it only had one 65 episode mega season.
I never had the toy but fuck I loved at show when I was kid, enough that he was on my 3rd(I think) birthday cake. It was epic as fuck for a little kids show, probably why I got into high concept sci-fi early, that combined with my dad being a mega nerd.

>>88081816
And we're talking about in a time where shows are literally choking each other for saturday morning slot. BJ was a real success.

>>88081928
>>88081816
>>88081791
>>88081698
>>88081638
Tim pls leave.

>shake shake shake senora
>Shake your body line
>Shake shake shake senora
>Shake it all the time

>>88081758
>pandering to goth tweens
What's so fucking bad about it? You always have to pander someone to sell your work.

>>88081714
What's this face trying to convey?

>>88082028
Plus, considering he was doing it when goth was still relevant and not just a Wednesday night at the dive bar with other degenerate 30-40 something tabletop gamers.

>>88082191
Goth is still relevant tho. I work as a school counselor and half of my cases come from those kids who often have self-harm and bullying issues.

>>88082228
Well, maybe it's hitting a bit of a resurgence, that's kinda cool. The Emo era was so retarded I figured goth had been ridiculed into obscurity.

>>88081695
>Also I remember her parents knowing Beej exists in the movie...in fact, didn't they summon him to begin with?

Nope. The Maitlands (who don't appear or even get a mention in the show at all) "hired" Betelgeuse to get rid of the Deetzes. The Deetzes participated in the ritual to exorcise (re: completely destroy) the Maitlands. The Deetzes only learned of Betelgeuse's existence when he interrupted the ritual as per his deal with Lydia (although he'd been messing with them before that, namely in the "Banana Boat Song" scene).

>>88082228
People always believe that Nerds and Geeks are the bullied ones in schools meanwhile in reality goths have been bullied more often and recklessly than those two. Goth bullying should be the actual stereotype, not the nerd one.

>>88082436
Goths are both though. You never hear about preppy goth or jock goths(as wicked cool as a real life Nathan Explosion on our Highschool football team would have been, doesn't happen.)

>>88081726
Except Atomic Puppet. But yeah, that's true.

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>>88082167
pain

>>88082436
The funny thing is, even the female goths get physical bullying and beating from bullies when it actually rarely happens when a female student gets bullied. I wonder what causes that.

>>88082557
Female goths are usually ugly or fat slobs where people don't give a shit when they get a beating.

>>88082488
Fuck. I would kill to see a goth playing highschool football and kicking ass

>>88082436
There's a whole fucking highschool horror movie subgenre dedicated to goth bullying in the 90's.

>>88081323
It's creepy how cartoon Lydia's hair is perfectly synced with Winona Ryder's in the movie.

>>88082488
Nathan is a (death)metalhead, not goth.

>>88082736
They're both same from the outside. Only one of them listens Scandinavian garbage meanwhile the other listens Bauhaus and Type O Negative.

>>88082736
I come from a smallish tourist town. Maybe death metal isn't city goth but oh man does he count as country goth.

>>88082812
Wrong thread, sorry.

>>88082776
Being slightly offended you didn't call the ridiculous goth crap what it is, as well, garbage, here's a better goth song then Bauhaus and Type O Negative.
https://youtu.be/oMQLBl_ihwg

>>88082788
Maybe deathmetal is "big meathead dude" goth?

>>88082833
>Bloodhound Gang
>Better than Bauhaus and Type O
Damn son, are you trying to trigger me?

>>88082864
>winter reminds me of you..
>as does a sloppy joe
>*dat keyboard solo*
It's better written music and lyric wise than any iof the "real" stuff

>>88082900
I don't know how you can be into a gag band like Bloodhound Gang and not appreciate the tongue in cheek lyrics of Typo O Negative.

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Lydia was a Perky Goth in the show bullied by Preppy.

A query did she ever make that change in the Film. I remember that music number at the end when she seemed happy but don't know if it was definitive.

>>88082956
You know, I think I'm going to give them a little binge. Not that I don't appreciate them but I maybe was taking them a bit too seriously last time they were in my regular playlist. I've been getting pretty retro lately in my listening habits, probably a good addition again, right now.

>>88083013
That bitch bullied everyone in the show, not just Lydia.

>>88083013
She was happy and well-adjusted at the end because she finally had normal parental figures who would pay attention to her in addition to her weird, now-somewhat-less-neglectful ones.

You know, I just realized that with Beetlejuice 2 this thread will be answered. If the cartoon was canon they'll have to do something to explain how they became friends afterwards.
Also, somebody should use this as an excuse to storytime the comics, if they have it saved. I recall from my childhood one issue actually explains the origins of Lydia and Beetllejuice's friendship.

>>88083046
Whereas in the TV show she just had weird but well-meaning parents.

>>88082606
With his girlfriend, the nihilistic cheerleader.

Is Beetlejuice a rare example of a Hollywood movie that is as unkind in caricature to city people as many films are to small-town and rural people?

The Deetzes are shits.

>>88083049
>implying that Beetlejuice 2 will ever made
Forget it anon.

>>88082606
>>88083094
>American high school cliches but scrambled
>Goth footballer and cheerleader
>Nerdy social butterfly/tyrant
>sexually-active band geeks
Sounds fun.

>>88083095
Many of the Gen X movies depicted Yuppies' as soulless assholes and mocked their tastes in life. It's not an uncommon thing. Check American Psycho if you need a good example.

>>88083095
It's not "city" people, it's suburban/condo dwelling scum that are being parodied.

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good morning /co/

>>88081695
>she's younger in the cartoon than the movie
But she attends the same school in the movie. I feel that you guys haven't watched Beetlejuice at all.

The movie is a different canon; in the cartoon Beetlejuice is essentially Lydia's 'real' imaginary friend and Lydia herself is much more of a Perky Goth than a glum one. She's obviously interested in school and her photography passion, and her parents aren't uncaring assholes-- I don't believe the show ever even states that Mrs. Deetz is a stepmother but treats her as Lydia's birth parent instead.

Lydia is also, canonically 14 in the show whereas in the movie... I dunno, I assumed she was 16ish but Wynona Ryder looked like she could have passed for a college student so it always felt weird to me to see the Maitlands treat her like she wasn't old enough to get a learner's permit.

>>88083481
Winona was 16 when Beetlejuice was released and teen/young adult actors typically do play characters who are younger than they are.

>>88083481
Ryder was 16 when she acted a 14 year old, not the vice-versa. People often mistake that.

>>88083481
>'real' imaginary friend
What does that even mean? Are you going to give me that "she/he is so fucking miserable that she/he invented a friend" cliche?

>>88083758
think he means that he's real but nobody else can see him.
Like what we thought Snuffleupagus was until we learned as adults Big Bird and he were a metaphor for schizophrenia. That's why they wrote Snuffleupagus out, they deemed a muppet of a schizophrenic hallucination was too dark.

>>88083968
>think he means that he's real but nobody else can see him.
But Beetlejuice often interacts with other people (he even took Lydia's mother to the Netherworld in one of the episodes) in the show. I fail to see the point at all.

>>88084101
He chooses who can see him, he just lets Lydia see him, under normal circumstances because she's one of the only people who can handle the truth.

>>88084154
>she's one of the only people who can handle the truth
So she's redpilled then?

>>88084193
I guess, in a pre-trump sense of the word. Before 25% of memes became ruined and unfunny by faggots on facebook who think they're anon.

>>88084193
No, she's just a kid with strong imagination, not an autist who edits frogshit into Trump pictures. because that's what "redpilled" people actually do.

>>88083456
People are only interested about how Beetlejuice got his nails red in these threads.

>>88084367
fucking millenials go back to your minecraft facebook community before you out yourself for being underage >>88084254
Ever seen The Matrix? That's where the meme started. It means knowing a hidden truth, that's it. No specific politics, just truth.

>>88084686
No, the meme started when retarded /pol/tards like you happened to use it for your bullshit aryan nazi ideology.

>>88084718
fuck you, I was an /x/faggot when the meme was being used when /x/ was new. you're an idiot. Get off your phone and pay attention to your teacher, you'll need a diploma to survive with how stupid you are kid.

>>88081323
Tim Burton has nothing to do with the show. He only just looked at the script and said "yeah, ok" to it. That's what actually supervisor does.

All of Burton's early works are brilliant. I think Big Fish was his last good movie. He's been in a sad slump since.

>>88081604

It had to, considering how the film's climax involved Beetlejuice trying to force Lydia into marrying him and all.

>>88085722
Maybe he chose to "stay friends" with her.

>>88083094
Nihilistic cheerleader might happen, she would be like you know whatever.

>>88083117
>>88083049
Michael Keaton and Winnona are old as fuck now.

>>88083481
>>88083591
>>88083599
I always felt she was old as fuck. Wow they got away with an underage marriage thing, only thing to come close lately is the Unfortunate Events movie.

>>88084367
>>88084686
Where are people getting this that it is all in her imagination? This is worse than the theory that Clementine´s adventures are a way to deal with her disability when clearly everything that happens is real, even Petit Boy got involved in somethings.

>>88085915
Keaton and Winona would probably get a cameo in the new Beetlejuice. Of course they're not gonna act as the main stars.

>>88085997
Still does not mean B2 will happen.

>>88085997
>>88085686
Oddly his last original work was Edward Scissorhands; Corpse Bride does not count as it is based on a legend.

I loved Tim Burton too, but he has been in a decline and feel that british jew bitch he was with was sucking his energy as he looks old as shit now, but seems they broke up.

>>88083013
>>88083046
It was just a forced way to show a happy ending.

>>88085995
>This is worse than the theory that Clementine´s adventures are a way to deal with her disability when clearly everything that happens is real
She was literally escaping from a flaming monster that can turn humans into insects with the help of a fairy and a fucking talking cat. How does that turn into reality?

>>88086043
B2 will probably happen but not in the near future. Burton had promised so.

>>88086080
My cat says you have no understanding of reality and I'm clicking my mandibles in agreement, broseph

>>88083095
No, it's not rare at all.

>>88086080
Aw come on! Don´t tell me you believe that? Clearly it was real. Where the fuck did the giant rock came from? Why was Clementine walking like nothing in Africa? How come Petit Boy also got involved later? How come even her dad time travelled with her back to WWI?

I fucking hated how that Turkish producer who wanted to make the live action movie 10 years ago went with the theory it was all in her head!

>>88086080
>>88086137
We never knew anything on Hemera. Was she an angel? A fairy? An Alien? Was she even Clementine´s mother somehow?

>>88086080
>>88086137
>>88086151
>>88086176
Guys, stop talking about that. Remember Malmoth is still pretty depressed after Maya left him and it seems Lex no longer wants to talk to him.

>>88086078
How was that forced? It was a natural arc based on her character.

Apparently Beetlejuice's penis is canonically a little Sandworm

Lydia was my first cartoon waifu

>>88086176
>>88086137
>>88086080
Okay the hell are you guys talking about? This is a beetlejuice thread.

>>88086191
Remember that you should probably make a new thread for Clementine The Magic Cripple or whatever the fuck you're derailing the thread with.

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>>88086191
Whaaa... who mentioned me? Maya why did you left me...? I still miss you, I did not burn your house because I wanted to. Ritsuko will never love you, she loves that mornon of Gendo who wants to fuck that albino loli.

And Lex, I miss Lex... :( how come we no longer do Legion of Doom reunions...? I miss the gang, everyone was so happy. Member that?

Hold on, eating these nice berries I found around. Makes me remember around the time I chased around Clementine, sure it was the 1920s but felt like the 1980s. Member the 80's?

I member Lex and Maya?

>>88086176
She's the ex wife of Malmoth. After they got divorced, she won the case and that house in Hemsworth. Malmoth was so fucking pissed that he decided to mess with Clementine because he wanted that house too. Now he wants to speak with her so Hemera could lift the ban and he can live on the house again. And they can also travel in time. True story.

>>88082228
>implying those are inherently goth
>implying those are exclusively goth
>implying goth still exists as a subculture.

Goth's been long dead, and it never even got a revival the way emo has a few times.

Thank God Scene is gone, though

>>88086286
>>88086256
Law of /co/ is we never talk of anything outside American cartoons and maybe Canadian ones. Someone did a CHavo thread but none cares for beaner cartoons.

So no mudslime cartoons like Clementine.

>>88086328
>the way emo has
You clearly no nothing of music history.
Every movement that called itself Emo from Sunny Day Real Estate era, Beck/Sloan era, WHENIWAS.jpeg era, and I'm probably missing one or two eras in there, has been completely unrelated to eachother.

>>88086346
>mudslime cartoons
It was a French/Japanese joint production.

>>88086387
>has been completely unrelated to eachother.
What do you consider "2nd/3rd/4th wave" emo, then? The somewhat noticeable rise in the genre like TWIABP and the like?

>>88086394
they must have only hired french born immigrants to japan for the japanese side of that, then, because it looks french as fuck.

>>88086328
>b-but they aren't the real goths
Of course Goths are long-dead you idiot. They dissolved after Moorish invasion.

>>88086394
>French/Japanese joint production.
>French point production
>French
>Loved by turks

Yeah mudslime

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>>88086482
oh, shit I thought this was the code lyoki thread I had open, disregard me, I suck cocks.

>>88086461
Get your shit together man, you're a flaming monster. Flaming monsters don't get depressed.

>>88086482
>>88086505
>>88086502
How does that even work? French make weird cartoons while japs want to make cartoons on what they believe the French are.

>>88086502
Turks love it because it was shown in Turkish channels in mid 80's and became wildly popular as part of the 80's Turkish subculture.

>>88086462
2nd wave was the least related, I've been yelled at for referring to Beck and CAKE and the whole plaid/glasses wave as emo by a My Chemical Romance fan because apparently that is a fallacy. The different waves did influence eachother but that was because of confused kids hearing about these other so called emo bands, associating them with the current wave and then incorporating influence into the new stuff. The name "emo" for the first three waves was coincidence.

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UH, EXCUSE ME? I THOUGHT THIS THREAD WAS ABOUT ME!

>>88086550
see >>88086505

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wtf are you guys talking about this is bj thread

>>88086597
now it's about an avatarfag and his francofag friends fagging shit up

>>88085955
That was a briefly common kind of role for Ryder, since she went on to play Jerry Lee Lewis's underage cousin/wife a year later and then an underage girl who has sex with a young adult man a year after that in Mermaids.

>>88083123
>sexually-active band geeks
You said SCRAMBLED friendo.

>>88086714
It's almost like that you're trying to imply something my friend.

>>88086826
Oh, and she also played 17 year old Abigail Williams in the Crucible even though she was about 10 years older than that by then.

>>88086869
>>88086714
Do you seriously bothered to watch her enitre fimography? I always thought her as a B- grade actor. Does Ryder even starred in a good movie except Heathers and BJ?

>>88086983
>Crucible
>Not good

>>88086983
Heather's BJ sounds like an awesome movie with Winona Ryder

>>88086983
She's my late 80s/early 90s waifu all right.
There was also Edward Scissorhands, Francis Ford Coppola's Bram Stoker's Dracula, and A Scanner Darkly which is /co/ related because of rotoscoping. I've heard good things about Black Swan and Stranger Things but I haven't watched them.

>>88086983
She usually acts as "that weirdo chick on the next door who was probably sexually abused when she was a child" in movies, that's why her movies only attracts creeps and weirdos except few mainstream ones.

>>88087157
Certainly why her movies attracted me, even as a kid.

>>88084154
That isn't true; one of the first episodes was about him being unexpectedly seen by Lydia's dad when he was doing crazy cartoon shit.

>>88085822
Did he even actually have an attraction to her in the movie? I thought it was basically a supernatural entity marrying a mortal to gain access to the living world at will.

>>88087570
I think that was because he was caught off guard, I kinda remember it.

>>88087601
>it was basically a supernatural entity marrying a mortal to gain access to the living world at will
Nope, he only wanted to marry with her because he's an asshole and also a pedophile. Besides, BJ can enter and leave the living world easily just by someone calling his name 3 times.

>>88081323
Yes Beetlejuice cartoon is canon, Beetlejuice comics and NES game are also canon. Dos game is debatable.

>>88088441
He says that marrying her would nullify the three-times rule. But yes, he was also attracted to her. We've come for your daughter, Chuck.

>>88088612
BJ games aren't canon.

>>88088612
NES game? They made a piece of canon almost unplayable and literally unbeatable?
Fucking sauce, dude, or you're a shit troll.

bumpo

>>88088995
pumbo

>>88082736
There will never be a masculine goth. The only thing separating goths from metalheads is testosterone.

>>88089088
What about Danzig? And goth is a subculture of punk so don't give me that!

>>88089011
jumbo

>>88089782
cr'r'r'rumbo!
r'r'r'r is my attempt to write a tongue roll

>>88089121
Danzig has nothing to do with Goth, both as music and in subgenre.

>>88090654
I've always considered The Misfits to be punk/goth and Danzig's voice is right in the goth vocal range.

>>88090710
Goth has more ties with industrial than punk. Industrial bands has a far better chance to be goth than punk bands.

>>88090750
Goth was an offshoot of punk, anon. Bauhaus, Siouxsie, The Cure...

>>88081680
>giantess Lydia

ALL MY FUCKING MONEY

>>88090750
>>88090806
pretty sure they both had a good deal to do with it. Also industrial and punk have ties to METAL!
>loop back around to Nathan Explosion

>>88081604
That's what I figure, too. The happier, PG-rated AU of the movie (and both are fun in their own ways).

>>88081903
Teddy Ruxpin was the SHIT for my teeny anon self. A great cartoon adventure series with an actual continuous plot was pretty rare at the time. Part of me wonders if I ever actually saw the end of the series, since younger me didn't really understand time slots...

>>88091426
Yeah, I kind of want to re-watch it but don't want to risk the awesomeness being from nostalgia-goggles
>'member when the bad guys made them eat bowls of steam for prison food while they were captive?
>Oooh, yeah I LOVE steam!