DC really dropped the ball with Wonder Woman thanks to the Superman/Wonder

>>88058311
Your mom is a huge cunt.

>>88058326

She's actually really nice.

It was all just a dream

>>88058311
I agree with you, I dislike the wonder woman/superman relationship.

>>88058311

No real opinion on OP's posting, would just like to add this.

Its *rare* to see Diana have any real characterization, an actual personality, in the comics. She is a perfect blank slate, she might as well be carved out of granite. Perfection is *boring* but DC will not let its writers do anything interesting with her.

OP's pic of Diana taking a selfie with a statue of Athena is cute, its personable, its human. I've read entire runs of WW that were drier than that single pic.

(Athena is her sister in current continuity? Or at least half-sister?)

>>88058441
>OP's pic of Diana taking a selfie with a statue of Athena is cute, its personable, its human. I've read entire runs of WW that were drier than that single pic.
She also looks fucking obnoxious.

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>>88058311
>When you look at the entire picture she comes off as a self-serving and haughty bitch who changes men like she changes clothes.

So she has adapted to the lifestyle of the modern woman, then?

But in all seriousness, classic Wonder Woman who was a kindhearted and gentle woman who knew when to throw down is long gone, I last saw her in the DCAU, and as they are borrowing a lot, maybe the DCEU once her apathy is eaten away.

>>88058399

Even with the Rebirth stuff she comes off as a cunt.

Look, sure, end the SM/WW thing, but at least take the time to show WW dealing with the fallout in an mini or annual. The whole salted earth approach isn't helping the character.

They should have shown WW grieving about the loss, imagining about the what ifs, remembering the things both did wrong, trying to make her peace with the future and so on.

>>88058463

Well, I find selfies to be largely pointless and often narcissistic myself, sticking your tongue out is goofy and at least as bad as making a duckface.

I guess thats what I like about the pic. "Hey, look, Diana isn't an emotionless block of stone, shes actually human with good and bad traits"

The thing about Steve which i found odd is that the dude has been a soldier his entire life. It's what he does. It's what he knows. The dude was a soldier before meeting her and he kept being a soldier after being dumped by her.

So to dump him because she feared about his well-being and thought him being far away would help is pretty dumb. He'd still keep working and fighting as a soldier.

The way it looked like she just didn't wanted to feel responsible for his eventual death, not that he'd die fighting at all. She just didn't wanted to be doing something related to her so she wouldn't feel guilty.

That... is egotistical and selfish as fuck.

>>88058441
>she might as well be carved out of granite
Well that's because she's pretty much just that, except it's clay

>>88058479
>I last saw her in the DCAU
DCAU WW was not kind and gentle. She had the same "BADASS TOUGH GIRL" personality that all female characters have these days.

>>88058683
Nah that was Hawkgirl

>>88058743
It was both of them. Hawkgirl was a bit rowdier, and WW was more stern.

But they were still generic.

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>>88058630

On the flip side, I do like this concept of Diana as well. If she isn't going to be allowed to be human then take it to the next logical step and make her completely cold and emotionless. Or let her fill the Red Tornado/Vision role of the non-human yearning and striving to be human.

But don't tell me flesh-and-blood Diana is the very embodiment of love and compassion when she never emotes. Go one way or the other, DC. Human emotions, both good and bad. Or cold marble.

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>>88058683

Eh, perhaps, but she was still better in personality than her comic counterpart, and she was tender enough with Bruce.

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I find it hilarious that this was the start of the ULTIMATE POWER COUPLE romance.

1/4.

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2/4.

>>88058743
They were actually at a loss for what to do with wonder woman because they wanted to give here hawkgirl's personality, but already had hawkgirl, so they just left her as a sort of bland, discount hawkgirl

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Who thought this characterization for a super-heroine who's supposed to be likable was good?

3/4.

>>88058436
Because you ship her with Batman, you filthy cartoonfag.

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She doesn't even show any care for the poor old injured dude. She was going right back to flirting before being BTFO by Superman once again.

She was pretty much Nu52 Maxima here in all but name and design.

4/4.

>>88058801
I don't recall any tenderness.

She was always serious and stonefaced. Not exactly a warm and welcoming woman.

>>88058930
She smiled and giggled every so often, most when she was flirting with the batdick

>>88058781
Turning her into a lifeless statue would be the perfect metaphor for DC's treatment of the character

>>88058910

Let's be honest, DC dropped the ball big on the SM/WW relationship.

They had Wonder Woman as the distant and brutish warrior bitch that constantly tempted Superman to rise above humanity, while Superman was his still wholesome self who had the headache of constantly dealing with her shit.

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Legend of WW is best WW

>>88058915

jesus christ, this is the person they gave a compassion ring to?

>>88059037
They wouldn't be able to generate any drama between them otherwise. Two compassionate characters together would just be boring if not sickeningly sweet

>>88059086
It was the love ring, because of her love for Batman

>>88059130

That's the biggest problem with the SM/WW thing, be it in a romantic pairing or merely in a partnership dynamic.

They're too much alike. They're both two dedicated and compassionate do-gooders who believe in a better tomorrow and strive to inspire people to be better in their roles as role models.

So when they're together one of them must be twisted to serve as a foil for the other, be the bad cop to the other's good cop, and since Superman's DC's Mickey Mouse and Wonder Woman has the whole amazon background she's usually the one that ends up twisted.

This is also why Superman and Batman work so well, since Batman as a character is already meant to be full of character flaws. So very little of Batman is changed and any bad changes the character can take it since one bad portrayal won't damage him.

>>88059323
I happen to like sickeningly sweet pairings

>>88059371

DC cooooould do them as that, but they don't, which is fucking stupid. You don't need to turn Wonder Woman into a Female Fury for her to work in a relationship with Superman.

>>88058801

The Batman Beyond comics fucking sucked. They had DCAU Wonde Woman be stranded in the Justice Lord's universe for some dumb reason and have a clone-baby with Justice Lord Superman who in the comic was merely evil as fuck. She was also battle-hardened and cold as fuck, because of course why not.

>>88059043

I wish Legend of WW was the current main canon. That comic was sooo fucking nice and got so many things out of WW right. I'm also starting to believe that Steve Trevor only works as a charming WII soldier. It just adds this heart whelming "doomed romance" quality to it.

>>88058896
WW was the naive newcomer in JL. One would think at a glance J'onn would be filling that role but with Batman's constant absence the role of Stoic loner was open.
Then in JLU WW had more of a mentor role.

>>88059729

She was a serious and dutiful Starfire.

Naw that is just fucked up writing. Inconsistent. Steve was a whiny asshole who wanted a girl just out of her teens to stay with him. She can dump him if she wants. She was moving on like any normal woman maturing. No need to guilt her in staying with the first man she meets. The Superman relationship was handled better than Steve under Soule. Diana was very supportive of Superman while with him. So don't even try to blame the relationship. It's Rucka who makes the character seem a shallow bitch now who is willing to suck Steve's face when Superman has not yet died. You can argue about bad writing but not about the character's motivations and relationships. Wonder Woman relationship with Superman has prob been th ebest she's ever been represented in an actual relationship for years. They actually explored stuff before they killed the guy. Before this all we had was boring Steve Trevor who is a mansel. Then she wets for self for Batman for no good reason and who treats her like shit and actually could not be assed to date her because Gothan and Catwoman were his interests. The we had some boring stupid love interests like Trevor Barnes who ended up dead. Then Nemesis who Diana treated like crap under Gail Simone. She basically used him.

The Superman/Wonder Woman romance simply needed time committed to it. Time DC did not give it. We back now to damsels in distress. Which frankly is boring.

>>88058915
Peter J Tomasi was sent to destory the Superman Wonder Woman relationship built by Soule. The guy tried to retcon their meeting as well. This was not how they originally met. So don't blame Tomasi's shitty writing. You want to read a decent Superman/Wonder Woman? It's Charles Soule and Diana was pretty strong and capable in terms of how she was presented.

>>88058930
I remember one scene in the beginning of that one episode where she got turned into a pig by Circe where she basically BTFO'd Batman's argument for why they couldn't be together and at the end of the episode where she whistles the song that Batman sang in order to convince Circe to turn her back into a human.

There was also her interactions with that princess who married Vandel Savage in that one two parter episode.

She also decides to mend her relationship with Hawkgirl, even if she still didn't like her for betraying the planet but in all honesty, she wasn't exactly out of line for not trusting her.

Then that one episode where her, supes, bats, and GL were turned into kids.


Overall, DCAU had a lot of tender moments, it's just that they weren't thrown into your face and developed slowly over time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7jL0NJ98Nc

>>88059918

No, she really wasn't.

The JL/U WW was written like a teenager crushing on Batman. And she never even dated anyone so Bats prob be the first man she was interested in. That relationship would have been doomed to fail too if Batman had been interested because 1. she is too naive and has no clue about relationships. 2, Batman was not that into her. 3. It was forced.
So forced that in the Batman Beyond book that Diana did not hook up with Batman she chased. Nope she world hopped and hooked up with another Batman. So this says Diana wasn't interested in the man Bruce from her verse. She was interested in the cowl. Wear a Batman suit and she's yours, no matter the verse. That just demeans her. At least she and Superman in the new 52 WERE in a relationship. Unlike all these other forced, half assed ones. Including Steve.

>>88059841

>The Superman relationship was handled better than Steve under Soule. Diana was very supportive of Superman while with him.

In that run she was complaining with her amazon friend that Superman wanted to keep the relationship a secret and his need to lead a double life, saying that he feared embracing himself as a godlike being and that she'd change that in him. Then you had moments where it was shown she knew almost to nothing about his life other than the fact he was Superman.

>Wonder Woman relationship with Superman has prob been th ebest she's ever been represented in an actual relationship for years.

You must be crazy. She was awful in the books that featured them as a couple. Her best characterization at the time was in her own book while it was handled by Brian Azzarello.

>Before this all we had was boring Steve Trevor who is a mansel.

We hardly had any Steve Trevor for the last 30 years. Steve in the golden and silver age was also dapper as fuck.

>Then she wets for self for Batman for no good reason and who treats her like shit and actually could not be assed to date her because Gothan and Catwoman were his interests.

You're talking about the cartoons where Catwoman was a backstabbing villain that didn't appeared in JL/JLU and that showed caring for Wonder Woman to the point of almost being OCC?
Or the comics where both flirted and taunted each other for bantz and that ended after a single kiss started by Batman because Wonder Woman was afraid of moving forward when Batman was all for it?

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Never forgive, never forget...

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>>88059918

This is from Charles Soule's run. Wonder Woman didn't even knew where Superman lived, because she thought of Superman as "Kal, The Alien God" first and foremost.

>>88060055
>Her best characterization at the time was in her own book while it was handled by Brian Azzarello
She was a stone statue that mumbles something about love every 5 issues. The run was good, but Diana's characterization was the worst part of it

>>88060055
No I ain't crazy. Relationships are about people growing. Why wouldn't Diana question that? It's more genuine she did. That she just do the shit he and Lois does. Strip away what Superman and Lois does and they two hypocrites who pretend to be reporters for the truth. But they conveniently leave out themselves. Soule had her and Clark grow through out the book. Coming to terms with their differences and bonding over their similarities. Growing. That is what couples do. They don't just coo at each other all the time.
Steve Trevor is still as irrelevant as f. It's 75 years ans people still want her with superman or batman. She worked fine without him as well in the Bronze Age/ Post Crisis. One of the best WW is said to be by Perez. Her reasons for being a hero not because of the hots for the first man she sees. She is motivated because of her self.

And Steve is so relevant, if we are to believe what we read, his butt will be dead come when JL comes around. They kill him in the DCEU. Prob toss her at Batfleck for no good reason other than Batman is so popular.

>>88060051

>The JL/U WW was written like a teenager crushing on Batman.

How's that any different from the pre-Nu52 stories where Wonder Woman initially lusted after Superman after meeting him for 5 seconds because she thought he was like a god and later kept pinning and making moves on a married man who loved another woman with all his heart?

>So forced that in the Batman Beyond book that Diana did not hook up with Batman she chased. Nope she world hopped and hooked up with another Batman. So this says Diana wasn't interested in the man Bruce from her verse. She was interested in the cowl. Wear a Batman suit and she's yours, no matter the verse. That just demeans her.

That story was awful, but Wonder Woman being interested in Superman just because of his awesome super-powers is equally demeaning.

>Unlike all these other forced, half assed ones. Including Steve.

There's nothing more forced than SM/WW, which is done merely because the characters are important, iconic and alike, and their stories revolve mostly about their superhuman nature or powers.

>>88060185

I said it was better in comparison to all the rest at the time.

>>88060249

>Why wouldn't Diana question that? It's more genuine she did. That she just do the shit he and Lois does. Strip away what Superman and Lois does and they two hypocrites who pretend to be reporters for the truth. But they conveniently leave out themselves.

The book showed that she didn't knew Superman, but thought she did. She wanted him to be only Superman when he's mostly Clark. She had an issue with that.

>Soule had her and Clark grow through out the book. Coming to terms with their differences and bonding over their similarities. Growing. That is what couples do. They don't just coo at each other all the time.

Soule had them bickering back and forth because Wonder Woman couldn't accept Superman for what he is and because she didn't wanted to commit herself fully to the relationship

She was terrible in that book.

>>88060139
You think people are stupid. You'd post up a page to try to say oh Diana doesn't care. Diana is learning about the man she has started a relationship with. You would have to post the whole of Soule's run because his run is not about pandering. There were payoffs to every conflict set up. Clark wanted to keep secrets but then they got outed to the world and eventually he learned that the truth was not such a bad thing. In fact liberating. Why should it be? But if you are a believer that he should be banging a star reporter on the side and pretending he is some quiet geek while in reality she writes glowing stories on him and the world doesn't know this...then what can I say? But fact is new 52 Superman and Wonder Woman explored different troupes. Up to them not wanting to compromise the world for each other. The world came first. Rucka's Wonder Woman as well is not even new 52 Wonder Woman. RucKa wiped her out by saying it was a lie. He wants his stamp on WW so he spits on Azzarello's and Soule's. So all of this is just messed up writing, inconsistencies that needs to fall on writers' heads. Not the character. She does not write herself.

>>88060341
Wasn't Legend of Wonder Woman running then?

>>88060449 Stop lying. She accepted Superman. Fact she stuck with him even when Tomasi did his shitty break up. You just spinning your own bias and hate. No one could ever accuse new 52 WW of never caring nor committing to for Superman. It's there on the pages for every one to read IF they read all the books and tie ins including Pak's. So don't think you can mislead people who read the books.

>>88060494

>Diana is learning about the man she has started a relationship with. You would have to post the whole of Soule's run because his run is not about pandering. There were payoffs to every conflict set up.

You get to learn about a person by asking them about their life, not assuming shit about them and then nagging about them not fitting your expectations and wanting them to change to fit you image of them.

>Up to them not wanting to compromise the world for each other. The world came first.

That's every superhero couple ever.

>>88058479
>I last saw her in the DCAU,

She celebrated at the sight of men dying from an Amazonian-made illness because "it brought the sisterhood together".

DCAU Wondy was just as bad as modern comics Wondy.

>>88060675
Which episode was this?

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>>88060591

>Stop lying. She accepted Superman.

Only as Superman.

>Fact she stuck with him even when Tomasi did his shitty break up.

Tomasi had her as being totally in love with him to the point where she'd follow him even if he didn't wanted her near, as well Superman totally in love with her to the point of wanting to marry her but not doing so because of him lately not having his powers and thus feeling he couldn't be with her because he couldn't protect her.

>No one could ever accuse new 52 WW of never caring nor committing to for Superman.

She kept her personal life and problems out of their relationship. Superman was constantly complaining about he keeping secrets, because he thought they should share everything.

>>88058311
I'd love an arc where Doctor Psycho or some other piece of shit villein manages to trick/brainwash Wonder Woman into getting pregnant with their child. I would fucking love to see her deal with the emotional trauma of rape, having to deal with the decision to keep or abort the kid, and having to deal with how her acquaintances treat the new, damaged goods Wonder woman.

Yes I do have a sick fantasy about having powerful women get knocked down a peg. I still think it would be a great story to tell. Wonder Woman is so boring as the neck-snapping feminist who never deals with issues surrounding men and motherhood that real women face.

Hellacare, SM/WW crazy shipper, is here. Now we have her to deal on top of Damifag.

>>88060721
>Which episode was this?

"Fury"

An Amazonian who hates men creates a magical virus that will kill all the men on Earth. There's a scene where a city is on fire because all the men fell ill suddenly and had to be taken to the hospitals. Wonder Woman and Hawkgirl fly over the city in the Javelin and WW, looking down, smiles and remarks how beautiful it is because the death of the men is bringing all the women together (as firefighters, doctors, police officers, etc.).

She is never called out on it and Hawkgirl just makes an offhanded joke that there are some aspects of men that make them worth keeping (a vague sexual allusion).

>>88060619
Clearly you've never been in a real relationship if you think it doesn't have questions or nagging. Every man and woman in a REAL relationship when the honeymoon period is over will tell you YES. It is easy to fall in love. It is tough to stay in love. It takes work. It involves emotions and yes it sometimes involves assumptions and leaning the realities and accepting them. That is why you stay with people , kid. You learn to love the good, the bad and the ugly. It's about what you love also but what you can tolerate because you love that person and sometimes you learn from each other. You have these unrealistic ideas about relationships. Love is not some room you sit in and tick boxes as your limited view seems to have. As for every superhero couple? Maybe though we hardly see them having those conversations but sure as hell doesn't define him and Lois. Dude would drop everything for her and that is prob why I like SMWW too.

>>88060848
Oh right, I remember that one.

Eh, WW was basically a militant warrior who never had someone to anchor her down like Hawkgirl did with GL.

Tbh, between Supes, Bats, and WW, WW was the type to rush in and cave in some fucking skulls because it's the easiest way to avert a tragedy, like when she literally crashed that one princess' wedding because Vandel Savage turned out to be Vandel Savage.

>>88060876

The problem with SM/WW is not that the couple had assumptions, misunderstandings or nagging in their relationship, but most of the problems came from Wonder Woman only being interested in the Superman persona or being uncaring to normal people. That was an awful characterization for Wonder Woman.

And every super-hero couple deal with the fact that their lifestyles leave them with little time. This was something that was explored over and over with Superman and Lois Lane as well, with Superman never having time to enjoy a quiet time or a long awaited date with his wife.

>>88060876
Every relationship is about giving and taking. You can't just nag someone to death over every little fucking thing they did wrong and expect the other person to deal with your bullshit every waking hour of every fucking day.

People would rather be alone than deal with some harpy who wants to change every single aspect of your being to suit her expectations and women need to understand that that bullshit works both ways.

If I don't spend every minute telling her to fix her flaws then I'd expect the same level of decency from her as well, especially when I'm already a nervous fucking wreck who spends his quiet time dealing with anxiety and depression caused by self-esteem issues.

>>88060830
Are you the owner of these boards? Or is it being banned from so many others and attacking DC creators on twitter that is making you so territorial? Don;t see the name Blacksun written anywhere here.

>>88060675
>>88060848
>>88060997

Yeah, saying that DCAU Wonder Woman was the last appearance of the "caring" WW that wasn't a man-hater is rubbish. She had fallen down that rabbit hole well before the DCAU shows and her portrayal in that series was extremely anti-male.

WW has been a third wave feminist for the past 20 years, minimum.

Are there people really saying Wonder Woman/Steve Trevor is forced in comparison to Superman/Wonder Woman?

>>88059918
>The guy tried to retcon their meeting as well. This was not how they originally met.

How so? That's pretty much WW characterization at the start of Justice League, Remember? The shitty first arc of the new 52 with Johns and Lee?

Even i don't like it, it's not a retcon: Johns's WW on JL was that bad.

>>88059924
I loved the way she mothered baby Etrigan

>>88058326

I've met OP's mom. She's a nice person, you take that back!

>>88061571
Supes was written as something of a dumb brute in early JL. iirc wondy punched hal or something and supes said "you're strong"

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This exchange show that the only reason why the characters hooked up was because of their awesome nature and how their awesome nature alienated and isolated that makes them feel.

1/3.

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And later in Soule's run she was complaining about him wanting to keep a double identity to protect his loved ones. You know, this despite her and Steve relationship being a public spectacle and her feeling bad for getting him hurt due to their association.

2/3.

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Aaand right there. There it is. The fact that they're not gods, but not like the feeble humans as well, which is the whole problem in this arc because Steve was tortured because of his affiliation to the Justice League. Wonder Woman sought someone who wasn't weak and fragile like Steve.

That's the main route they go with SM/WW other than the immortality thing where they end up together thanks Lois kicking the bucket since WW was waiting decades for the chance.

I wish for one day there to be a SM/WW story where they hooked up because WW thinks SM is funny and he makes her laugh or something. You know, something beyond the superficial.

3/3.

>>88061869
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>>88061925

It's kinda funny, they seem to think during the whole conversation that they're utterly special and alone for having super-powers and having to keep secrets from normal people in their lives to keep them safe, despite you know, them both being in a team filled with guys with super-powers that wear masks and keep secrets from the normal people in their lives to protect them.

Hell, even with the Zeus comparison. In most stories Flash outruns Hermes with his OP powers. Should Wonder Woman give him a round next time?

>>88061333
Well let's examined what forced is. Steve/Wonder Woman not a couple for 30 something years. SMWW explored by Perez and Byrne. Got together in many Elseworlds. Then only referenced in the new 52 briefly. We see Steve pining and we know he was smitten. Diana and his relationship never really shown not got off the ground. Then we had a whole series of SMWW that lasted for 4 years and did cross over into JL, SM and Action bks. Then Rucka had Steve show up and then make out with Diana in Rebirth is less than two issues. I would say it is very easy to say which is forced or rushed might be the apt term.

>>88061925
Read Savage Dawn trade extra add in... Superman Wonder Woman 30/31. It's from Wonder Woman's perspective. And just within those two issues gives a better reason as to why she fell for Superman. This scene was given more depth too.

Rushed shock value, contrived conflicts does nothing but screw up their character.

>>88062269

So SM/WW if both forced and rushed, right?

Because SM and WW hooked up in JL in a really rushed way.

You had SM praising WW for her super-strength when they first met, which according to Geoff Johns was the only necessary moment of flirting needed between the two.
Then you the arc where they hook up which started with an unreasonable and angry WW kicking SM in public because she wanted to go after Steve without any backup or plan and finally the three pages above where they talk about their lives and kiss. They went from fighting each other to hours earlier to later that night patching things up in a small talk right to the kissing part. Four pages all of it.

Steve at least had 4 issues and various pages of lengthy talks after being an item years before.

>>88062291

I'd never buy a SM/WW TPB, and i doubt the extra pages will make those pages any better. Specially when we all know why DC pairs them up: superficial similarities and power fetish. It has been that way in pretty much 90% of the stories featuring the two as a couple.

Rebirth WW needs to be taught about romance LMAO. She don't know or remember anything about herself yet able to act like she cares for the first guy she has ever met who hasn't been relevant in 30 plus years and still show no important to this day. She will be committed to the looney bin soon. I would take sword swinging new52 WW over looney Rebirth WW any day.

>>88062814

You really hate Steve Trevor, huh?

Honestly, what do you see in the SM/WW pairing you like so much? What's the main draw for you?

>>88062860
Not hate, just never found any appeal. Give me a good story with the guy and I may give him a chance. But he doesn't offer anything to Diana. Hasn't been needed in over 30 years so do you actually think now will make a difference? Besides he seems more like a father figure/friend type. There's never been a reason given why he was a love intetest in the first place.

>>88063066

Legends of WW is a good one.

Rebirth WW is a complete imbecile! An Amazon who needs a weak man like Steve to tell her what is right or true can not be called Wonder Woman! The writer of Rebirth destroyed the strongest and most confident version of WW so that she was only reduced to love interest, with SM at her side WW had a man at her height in strength, morale, and ability.

Steve is so useless that half of her fandom want her with Superman, other part want her with Batman and a few want her alone or with other woman... Steve is a complete failure as love interest, as companion and as partner. Perez was right to keep him away!

>>88063236

So Wonder Woman is only as good as the man she sleep with? What about the actual character?

>>88062860
I like that SM/WW are equally matched, it's been implied they understand each other more than anyone else can. I don't get why people say they are too much alike or too different. Which one is it? There's an between. New52 had its moments, if written with competence, and natural progression, there was potential there.

Rebirth WW looks very dependent of Steve even to say to her that her home is not her home, and teach her what is love and what is right so, YES REBIRTH WW IS JUST GOOD AS THE MAN SSAYS FOR HER TO BE and that's what the writer is showing, by other hand new 52 WW was strong, confident and powerful enough to be "good" by herself! She was so good that she attracted and conquered Superman's heart!

>>88063469

>I like that SM/WW are equally matched

So because they share the same super-powers? That's it? Not because they have a nice chemistry or their stories together are good?

> it's been implied they understand each other more than anyone else can.

They imply this a lot, as well as the fact that they're super in tune with each other, almost psychically so, and it all stern from the fact that they share awesome super-powers, feel like outsiders in the world and feel different among normal people. The fact that Superman grew up as a normal kid surrounded by normal friends is often ignored when these things are being implied or shown.

>I don't get why people say they are too much alike or too different.

Because they normally are. The thing is that Wonder Woman ends up being twisted to act as a partner for Superman. Gone is the understanding and cool superheroine that constantly deals with people and press, in is the emotional and brutish warrior that have a hard time understanding people and social/cultural mores. She becomes a worse character when near Superman.

>>88063502

>Rebirth WW looks very dependent of Steve even to say to her that her home is not her home, and teach her what is love and what is right so, YES REBIRTH WW IS JUST GOOD AS THE MAN SSAYS FOR HER TO BE

Wonder Woman in SM/WW needed Superman to tell her to be more caring to normal people, teach her how to properly act as a person and how to do things the proper way.

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10's usually date 10's & 5's usually date 5's. The number fluctuates every once in a while; way of the world.

SM teach her how to be more caring about normal people? Good this show how he don't need normal people to teach him nothing! And he saying to her normal people are more fragile than her Gods relatives and the amazons is a very natural thing, but by other hand Steve saying to her that her home is not her real home and how "love" is stupidity because if there is one thing she always knew was how love, just read her new 52 books!

>>88063767
Equally matched, intellectually, emotionally not just physically. Charles Soule's first volume is highly recommended as it should be because it's very good and Diana's characterization is good here. She acts like a normal woman and what normal woman doesn't talk about her relationship with a friend. She held her own against Zod and Faora better than Superman. Soule combined their world's with Strife/Apollo meddling. That's my only gripe is that there should've been more of her world. Everything else after Soule left, was forced conflict for the sake of conflict and had them OOC.
But they are outsiders trying to be as normal as they can but Diana has a more difficult time with that because she likes being carefree.

They work naturally together. They sync naturally. Writers don't have to go over board in making conflict or do some big stunt. Both characters can be themselves together. They have similarities but also differences that can be explored correctly .

Wonder Woman is not a worse character when near Superman, she is a worse character near everyone including all the Justice League because most of the writers simply don't know how to act with her! The weight of be an "Icon of this" "Icon of That" makes them simply not know her or have no interest in her! How to create a simple and light adventure with a lot of people who just do not read her stories complaining about what they do not know! If she attacks is violent, then scream, "This is not the WW, WW is just love!" If it does not attack: "This is not WW, she is a terrible warrior!". You need a great writer to balance that character, and DC does not currently have that writer, and if he does, he just does not want to write it! Do not blame her relationship with Superman so blame the groups who do not read or really like her for it!

>>88063855
If you are talking about Tomasi's run. The guy wrote Diana terribly and his response was "no conflict, no story".

>>88063767
>So because they share the same super-powers?
No dammit, they are the two most similar leaguers personality wise. Both have a strong emphasis on kindness and compassion, both relate to people on a very human level despite being near demigods. In a sensible world, that means compatibilty. But because we need constant drama whoring there needs to be conflict and so we get a SM/WW mashup that sees only the matching powers and that strips Diana of her empathy, turning her into some weird shallow girl just looking for a big strong man to fall into the arms of despite it being obvious Clark would be the sub in their relationship. I don't get how DC could get this so disastrously wrong. It was the easiest pairing in the world and they fucked it up.

>>88064057

Wonder Woman then should date Batman, DC's bigger seller bar none.

But then again... Batman should probably be with Harley Quinn, a character who sells more than WW.

>>88064160

>SM teach her how to be more caring about normal people? Good this show how he don't need normal people to teach him nothing!

No, it's bad, because Wonder Woman shouldn't need Superman to learn that. You're pretty much throwing Wonder Woman under the bus to prop up Superman.

She came from an isolated island where she lived with a tribe of women usually physically stronger than men, her relatives are Greek gods, one of her first contacts with enemies in the "world of men" were Parademons, of course it is normal she does not understand Well the human fragility, this is to understand the character and not "throwing Wonder Woman under the bus to prop up Superman."

Bad is to destroy the character by turning her into a cold-hearted woman who has lived in the "men's world" for all these years and, apart from learning nothing, to create a dependency on the male figure, now a mere ordinary man who is nothing exceptional!

>>88064165

>Equally matched, intellectually, emotionally not just physically.

She was constantly talked down by Superman, either for not understanding how the world works or for being too volatile. How the fuck was she matched intellectually and emotional to Superman in the SM/WW book?

>Charles Soule's first volume is highly recommended as it should be because it's very good and Diana's characterization is good here.

By whom? The book was awful and Wonder Woman characterized horribly.

>She held her own against Zod and Faora better than Superman.

Because being a fierce and relentlessness warrior princess was the only thing the character had for her in the book.

>Soule combined their world's with Strife/Apollo meddling. That's my only gripe is that there should've been more of her world.

Her supporting cast only appeared to test if Superman was deserving of Wonder Woman's pussy, as if any of the gods would care about something like this when they hardly talked or cared about her in her own book, and every time Superman would either pass with flying colors thanks to some noble sacrifice that proved his undying love or humiliate them like when he beat Apollo in the most retarded way possible.

They were horrible in it. Thankfully the book focused more on Superman's villains, which were given more respect.

>Everything else after Soule left, was forced conflict for the sake of conflict and had them OOC.

It was already that with Soule in.

>But they are outsiders trying to be as normal as they can but Diana has a more difficult time with that because she likes being carefree.

She was a smug cunt who thought herself superior to the people she was supposed to protect.

>Writers don't have to go over board in making conflict or do some big stunt. Both characters can be themselves together.

That's what SM/WW book was in its entirety.

>>88064290

>Do not blame her relationship with Superman so blame the groups who do not read or really like her for it!

She is worst when she's paired with Superman, though, because DC always explore the whole gods among us thing with them with Wonder Woman usually acting as Lady Macbeth.

>>88064462

The amazons aren't much stronger than normal humans and Wonder Woman would often lose to Aleka, she didn't knew the Greek Gods were blood related to her until the start of the Nu52, she was always known as a compassionate heroine and she doesn't need to understand fucking COMPASSION.

It doesn't matter if humans were more frail than the people she's accustomed with, just have fucking compassion for the poor old man. You don't look down at babies, old people and handicaps just because they're more frail than you. You don't need to better understand their state to care for their well-being or feel sorry for them. THE FUCK!

Hell, Superman during the JL formation was a fucking brute that reveled in showing his aggression and almost killed Batman and Green Lantern, and instead of being the asshole one in that flashback who's called out by Wonder Woman we instead had Wonder Woman as the psychopath that needed to be taught a lesson by the wholesome Superman.

Clearly you did not read SMWW book or WW book, of course you did not read, who in their right mind would read something they hate. What you say are bad features of the book and how it was are very superficial aspects seen by a person who hates the pair, SMWW had 29 numbers compared to 52 of the other books if, by a sort of nature the DC had placed A writer more engaged with the couple than Tomasi, I'm sure the stories would be a lot better, after all, if we're going to put these more than 900 AC numbers with Lois on paper, I doubt they'll handle more than 50 good stories with her, without Tell clear the world record of falling building and the times she was in the kitchen cleaning or cooking!

"She is worst when she's paired with Superman, though, because DC always explore the whole gods among us thing with them with Wonder Woman usually acting as Lady Macbeth." So blame DC not the idea of the couple

>>88064550

She's not depended on Steve in the current comic. Not more than she was on Superman. Superman basically had to teach her how to be a better person and hero, and she pretty much worshiped him.

The WW often lost to Aleka because she did not want to hurt the girl, just look at New 52 WW 0, the Amazons trained for centuries and often fought against magical and mythological creatures, of course they were stronger and more skilled than men, but if you Doubt see Artemis for example.
You are confusing the new 52 WW with the "Compassion Icon" created as merchandising and not with the character, that was the New 52, warrior and not the "preacher" pre-flashpoint!

>>88064867

>Clearly you did not read SMWW book or WW book, of course you did not read, who in their right mind would read something they hate. What you say are bad features of the book and how it was are very superficial aspects seen by a person who hates the pair

I like Superman and Wonder Woman, not just them as a couple because of how awful the stories have been. So i always give their books a chance. The SM/WW book fucking sucked, bro. It fucking did. Not because of the art, because some of them were amazing, but because how it portrayed the characters, specially Wonder Woman, and because most of the relationship drama served more to show why they were bad as a couple instead of, you know, making you enjoy them together.

>SMWW had 29 numbers compared to 52 of the other books if, by a sort of nature the DC had placed A writer more engaged with the couple than Tomasi, I'm sure the stories would be a lot better,

Soule was bad as well. The only good writer in that book was Buccelatto who did a few short stories here and there and actually tried to portray both characters as their usual selves.

>after all, if we're going to put these more than 900 AC numbers with Lois on paper, I doubt they'll handle more than 50 good stories with her, without Tell clear the world record of falling building and the times she was in the kitchen cleaning or cooking!

Tell me a good SM/WW story, and please don't say Kingdom Come, because their romance in it was awful.

>>88065098

Look, bruh. I'll not discuss with you why Wonder Woman should have compassion for others like a normal and functional human being, specially when she's supposed to be a likable super-heroine, but i'll say that you're wrong about Nu52 Wonder Woman not being a compassion icon when Brian Azzarello's run on Wonder Woman actually managed to have a likable and caring Wonder Woman.

The warrior bitch characterization found in Justice League, Superman/Wonder Woman and several other Superman related books and other minis was awful.

Yes she is depend of Steve, much more dependent than she ever was with Superman, She helped Superman a lot more than he helped her to speak the truth, without this Steve she would get that "face of landscape" looking at the weather like a lunatic ... ah talking about lunatic think she went to the madhouse right? Well that was really something unthinkable for the new 52 WW.

>>88064926
Where exactly are you getting this from? Superman didn't teach Wonder Woman anything. She was the one who taught him to be more open. She wanted to train him on how to be a better fighter. The only thing was that she didn't understand the importance of a disguise.

In the current run she said she don't know about love and romance the current artist actually said Diana needs a human guide, which is Steve. She doesn't know what her own mother looks like and needed Steve to say "something is wrong this isn't the right island".

"Tell me a good SM/WW story, and please don't say Kingdom Come, because their romance in it was awful." I will say Kingdom Come, Act of God, SMWW 30/31, SMWW vs Zod and Faora in SMWW, The Kingdom, Justice League League of One (just friendship? RIGHT), Legends 30/31/32 (just friendship? RIGHT), jla 105 (JUST FRIENDSHIP? right).... I can tell you others but you will say that ALL STORIES was awful because you simply dislike them!

>>88064925

>So blame DC not the idea of the couple

When that's the appeal of the couple according to the company, i have to blame the idea of said couple.

DC doesn't pair Superman and Wonder Woman because of their personalities and chemistry, but rather because:

>Superman's the first super-hero ever and the company's icon while Wonder Woman's the most iconic female super-heroine ever and the company's oldest female character
>Superman and Wonder Woman share matching outfits with red and blue being their primary colors (really important!)
>Superman and Wonder Woman are regarded as the most super-powerful heroes in the stories (debatable and Wonder Woman kept gaining power boosts to look more closely to Superman)
>Superman and Wonder Woman can have super-sex (thanks to Larry Niven's influence)
>Superman and Wonder Woman can be virtually immortals (often used as a excuse to hook them up)

Nothing there says anything about the characters personalities, if they interact well together, if their chemistry make them fun as a couple and so on. At most we've them as being equal in world goals and generic character traits as fearless, compassionate, dedicated and so on.

>>88058801
>Eh, perhaps, but she was still better in personality than her comic counterpart
Only if Superman/Wonder Woman is the only comic you've ever read.

>>88065398

>Act of God

Nigga, are you serious?

>The Kingdom

Really? I mean, why not pick Thy Kingdom Come, which was much superior and had that ending where you can see a bunch of their babies and Superman grows old with the centuries?

>Legends 30/31/32

The Christopher Priest story where Superman, a married man, stalked Wonder Woman because he believed she was going to actually sell her body to stop a war and was possessive about her virginity, and that ended with Wonder Woman being disappointed and disgusted by Superman lack of trust and faith in her? That story?

Are you just listing the stories you remember on top of your head? Because the ones you picked were awful and a good case why the pairing sucks.

Of course I'm quoting from my head! SMWW is not the Bible or something I keep close by or under my arm for consultation! They are entertaining not rules for life! And I awarded Kingdom Come! Kingdom Come is the best comic book ever published by DC

>>88065192
>Brian Azzarello's run on Wonder Woman actually managed to have a likable and caring Wonder Woman
You shouldn't lie on the internet like that, someone might believe you

>>88065255

>Where exactly are you getting this from? Superman didn't teach Wonder Woman anything. She was the one who taught him to be more open.

She wanted him to be more Superman than Clark Kent. She didn't teach him shit, specially when one of the biggest road blocks in Soule's run was the fact that Wonder Woman kept parts of her life from Superman, which annoyed him because he thought had finally found someone to share everything in life.

>The only thing was that she didn't understand the importance of a disguise.

IT'S WHO HE IS! How can a Superman fan say shit like this?

>In the current run she said she don't know about love and romance

She actually said she was very good at loving people and things, but not so much at dealing with romance.

>the current artist actually said Diana needs a human guide, which is Steve

If he was talking about the character's origin, then he's right. What's the problem with that?

>She doesn't know what her own mother looks like and needed Steve to say "something is wrong this isn't the right island"

Whatever changed her past and her recollections of her true past is only affecting her. Steve isn't a godlike being or magical. He's an outside element.

Well than damn the company and let's celebrate the couple, let's celebrate what the fans of them, that are many, like and see in them! I'm not interested in the idea that the company does what interests me are they as a couple!

>>88065827

Come on, Azzarello's Wondy was pretty nice. She protected and cared for Zola and her baby Zeke without even knowing about the whole Zeus thing, she treated the gods she met who were pretty big dicks with respect and understanding even when hurt by them, she was pretty patient and compassionate with Orion despite the dude being a huge ass and so on.

She was a farcry for the warrior bitch from the other comics.

"You shouldn't lie on the internet like that, someone might believe you" HAHAHAHHAHA
It seems that a lot of people believed since a lot of people like it! In fact you're the one who's trying to spread lies!

>>88058311
I want Wonder Woman to hang off me while making lewd faces.

>>88065871

See, i might hate the comics featuring Superman and Wonder Woman as a couple, but that's because if find them awful. If there was a well-written SM/WW story that treated both character well i'd like them.

The sad thing is that there's a bunch of things you can explore with them beside the whole "we're super, let's be super together, oh hey, we should totally take over the world, lol, kidiing, but really not" thing.

Supes is a city guy and Wondy is from an isolated country, so why not explore the whole cultural and social clashing thing with Supes as the charming and cynic (who's really idealistic) city guy while Wonder Woman as the cute and carefree foreigner who has trouble understanding things or Superman's sarcastic and referential humor.

You know, anything that deals with how they interact rather than they nature or powers, because that's the most stupid reason for pairing them together. They both know plenty of man and woman with awesome powers that are also potentially immortals. They aren't unique in that regard.

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>>88065940
And she did it all while emoting as much as an autist
>she was pretty patient and compassionate with Orion despite the dude being a huge ass and so on.
She crushed his balls dude

The run was good, and Wondy was better compared to the crap in JL/SMWW at the time, but she was one of the more stoic and brutish compared to her previous solo runs

>>88066485

>The run was good, and Wondy was better compared to the crap in JL/SMWW at the time, but she was one of the more stoic and brutish compared to her previous solo runs

Well, yeah, but in comparison to all the rest at the time there's a huge gap.

Well all I can say is have a little more patience that a story with them together as you want maybe is very close!

>>88066523
Being the most polished turd in a pile still doesn't make it not a turd. It was a shitty wonder woman.

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>>88066542
Hope is dead, this ship only works in fantasies

>>88066542

Nah, i don't trust DC. Look at their stories together. See the common theme in each of them. They only do the inhuman/power thing. That's why they're called as "the power couple" by the company.

>>88065868
No, she wanted him to be all of him as one, not divided and hide one or the other. She thought it was selfish. Because Diana celebrates life as one. Wonder Woman and Diana were not separate. Her solo book was isolated. Who cares. Soule still used Apollo and Strife. That should've been enough.

That's who Superman is but not Wonder Woman and that was addressed. She understood the benefit of a disguise later on.

How is she good at loving when she don't know what love is? She was in a 4 or 5 year relationship... that's not romance? Doesn't make sense and she comes off shallow and cold hearted which was a total 180 calling new52 Superman "her love" and saying she loved him.

No he wasn't talking about her origin. He was basically talying about her whole life being in man's world. As in Steve is the only guy she could/should be with.

Steve was also changed for Rebirth though. In new52 secret origins, he saw new52 Hippolyta, they came to man's world in a boat, not a jet.

Again I don't care about the company, for me they are "power couple" by the strenght of their love!

>>88060675
Seing something good during a tragedy does not make it a celebration of the tragedy.
But, I guess we just have different views on things.

>>88066870

What love?

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>>88058311
so cute

>>88066901
The love that was / is there but that your ill will (not to mention something else) does not allow your eyes to see!

Holy fucking shit. Hellcare you delusional bastard how did you find this thread? Did you make it.
SMWW sucks ass. You claimed Act of God was good when it literally has WW go againts her fucking orgins and life to become a Christian and think about kill herself.
Get some fucking help.

>>88058311
>plebs still dislike WW/Supes best couple
I want this tasteless meme to end.

>>88068638

Best couple since when?

>>88059043
Meh, she's too downy

>>88060057
>never forget what was never real in the first place

lol

>>88068852

Hey, man. I'm a Steve supporter, but at least Batman is better than Superman as a love interest for Wonder Woman.

>>88068852
Yes because dozens of ccomics runs never happened. Sure Hellarce keep telling yourself that.

>>88066485
Rucka's original Wonder Woman was more brutish and specially more stoic than Azzarello's Wonder Woman

Also
>have SJWs complain endlessly about your book
>puts an YASS QUEEN moment
>"what the fuck i'm a meninist now!"

Azz can never win

>>88068976
>hellarce

are you a CBM or a tumblr fag?

>>88068976
>5 fan art pieces
>2 merely platonic shit (DCAU)
>Elseworlds crap
>Out of context panels
>Cover that just have them both in it

lmao

>>88068547
HAHAHAHAHAHHA do you think I am... HAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH no dear I am not the person you are thinking... It would be an honor to be the person you think I am but ... no, you screwed ugly ... again!

>>88068976
Ohhhhh you call the person "HELLARCE" ohhhh how badass you are! playing low so fast... tsc tsc tsc... Are you getting any better? Rusting?

Wha-what is happening?

>>88069807
>>88069900
you sound quite triggered m8

t. different anon

>>88059037
They only "dropped the ball" on it because it was a calculated thing done entirely to boost interest and sales for however brief a time as they could get away with. They weren't concerned with having a well-fleshed out story; that was the writer's job, fleshing out the plot of whatever ridiculous orders and marketing strategies were handed down from on high.
What, do you think that they disrupt every solo series storyline with yet another random crossover for anything other then that? That they do it to tell a better story?

The objective of the Big Two is now wholly to get you to buy their shit as fast as you can do they can prove to their parent companies that somehow they have financial value beyond use as IP farms.

>>88070426
SMWW was the lowest selling book. But it they made money from merch, the casuals who think SMWW makes sense cuz of muh colors and same powers.
It waams a shit book ruined by the fact WW's book refused to crossover so the couple was handled by folks who like you said didnt give a damn.

>>88070713

>It waams a shit book ruined by the fact WW's book refused to crossover so the couple was handled by folks who like you said didnt give a damn.

Thank fucking God for that. I'd have to stop reading Wonder Woman if her book was caught in cross-over hell and relationship drama madness. It was cringe enough to see Scott Lobdell trying to turn Orion into a bull/rival in his Superman's run by making that kiss into something more.

>>88070713
The lowest selling book was the mini Superman Lois and Clark after the Convergen event>>88070713

>>88070713
Lowest selling book? No, it wasn't. It did better than the other books until the very end of the book being used as transitional issues/fillers in the last crossovers.

>>88058311
Because Wonder Woman is and will always be a huge bitch.

Nobody cares about her, she's a shit person and a shit character

>>88070907

SM/WW didn't sell well.

>>88070795
Yea. That was really fucking stupid and while I dont like Azz run all that much but at least it never crossed over and the SMWW crossover books were fucking worthless.

>>88070969
Wasn't bad until Convergence and sold better than Superman Lois and Clark even with the boy in it...>>88070969

>>88058311
>When you look at the entire picture she comes off as a self-serving and haughty bitch who changes men like she changes clothes.

Bad writing. Rucka is fixing it. SMWW is bing erased, it was a mistake.
also if superman is dead, let her move on. dont be stupid

>>88070969
First issue sold well over 100k. Was stable until the creative team change, truth, savage dawn. The whole damn line was clusterfuck shit by then.

>>88071126

Dan Jurgens was never a good seller, though.

>>88070907
It was one of the lowest that constantly had to get variant covers in the beginning to boost sales.
>>88070883
It did well for a mini. SMWW sucked as a long series.
Dont compare the two. They were completely books. Also the mini was better written and well received.

>>88058489
>Look, sure, end the SM/WW thing, but at least take the time to show WW dealing with the fallout in an mini or annual. The whole salted earth approach isn't helping the character.

there is two issues of it on the savage down and smww Trades. so fucking shut up

cyclops just move on quickly from jean grey, I don't see why WW has to keep mourning a jerk that treat her like garbage

and fuck u

>>88071161

>First issue sold well over 100k

First issue of a comic that was highly promoted. Come on, man. Are you pulling a Marvel?

What about Doomed? I don't know why DC think that the constant Superbooks cross-overs were any good or would do any help.

>>88070953
If nobody's care about her why all these people are here arguing about a character nobody's like?Are we all, and this includes you, stupid and without anything better to do? Or are we are here talking about the two greatest DC male and female super hero?

>>88071197

>and fuck u

What the hell, m8? What did i do to you? And how the fuck Superman treated her as shit? Wonder Woman was easily the worst character in the relationship. Hands down.

>>88071229

>Are we all, and this includes you, stupid and without anything better to do?

I am kinda stupid and have nothing better to do, but i do care for the characters.

>>88071142
Fixing it by locking her up in a crazy house and making her whole life a lie? Rucka never liked the relationship, hell not even them just being friends... that's fine, whatever. But to fuck up even Azzarello's run. Unnecessary. And his run so far has been mediocre

>>88071185
Yeah and I am Snow White! The mini was so well received that only few people considered themselves good enough to read it and buy it! HAHAHA

>>88071197
Its a butthurt SMWWfag who thinks Act of God is godsend. They have shit judgment.
>>88071161
It literally had over 5 varient covers. The first 10 isissueor so had a pseudo marvel million variant bullshit going to boost sales.
It was literal ameme for awhile that DC had to use that shit to boost sales. They had shit gimmicks like that romance novel variant.

>>88059037
what you expect? superman and WW are too similar, writers have to creaate drama so someone get to be OOC

>>88071185
If the mini was better written and better received the mini would have sold well! If it was not it was because it was crap!

>>88059419
>DC cooooould do them as that, but they don't, which is fucking stupid. You don't need to turn Wonder Woman into a Female Fury for her to work in a relationship with Superman.

that wouldn't work. stop being stupid AF

>>88071185
Every book got variants. The hell are you talking about? Lois and Clark did well for a mini? By the end it was selling 18k. It was highly promoted and did only 35k And that book was supposedly what everyone wanted.

>>88071185
If the mini was well received and well written the mini would have sold well! If it was not it was because it was crap!

>>88059841
>The Superman/Wonder Woman romance simply needed time committed to it. Time DC did not give it. We back now to damsels in distress. Which frankly is boring.
>>>

dumb as hell post, just your stupid opinion of shit

You can't ruin a character no one cares about

>>88059918
>Peter J Tomasi was sent to destory the Superman Wonder Woman relationship built by Soule. The guy tried to retcon their meeting as well. This was not how they originally met. So don't blame Tomasi's shitty writing. You want to read a decent Superman/Wonder Woman? It's Charles Soule and Diana was pretty strong and capable in terms of how she was presented.

soule WW is very cold too, also she did everything superman asked her to do . another shitty run
smww really eat crap

>>88071377
SMWW would never work no matter how you spin it. Because Supes is the jock and WW will always be the cheerleader trophy.

>>88070713
I didn't give a damn because I saw a incredibly transparent soulless marketing gimmick and thus wisely decided to not care one way or another.
The Big Two are in a bad place creatively speaking these days and next to everything they do that ends up being good is more in spite of their internal company politics and the realities of where their actual value to Disney and Warner Brothers lies rather then anything that's inherent to the characters anymore.

Most days it feels like when I pick up a Big Two book I need to wash my hands afterword because it got covered in frantic desperation just from touching it. DC has it less bad then Marvel, but not by fucking much.

>>88060753
>Tomasi had her as being totally in love with him to the point where she'd follow him even if he didn't wanted her near, as well Superman totally in love with her to the point of wanting to marry her but not doing so because of him lately not having his powers and thus feeling he couldn't be with her because he couldn't protect her.

Tomasi said that clark hearsts was in another place in a tweet.

>>88071390
And the other books basically stopped while that shit kept on with that gimmick. And they got special covers as well. Again because it wouldnt sell to anyone but collectors and merch only sold because casuals think 'muh same shit so great couple'

>>88071407
>If the mini was well received and well written the mini would have sold well! If it was not it was because it was crap!

hellacre, shut up. Minis don't sell well

>>88071432
So a woman should not do what the man she loves ask her to do? Hmmmmmm

Why is there still so much bitching about this? It's done. Get the fuck over it. Wonder Woman is going to be placed in an insane asylum to get "fixed". Superman is from a total different time line with a senpai already to be "fixed". What the fuck is the problem?

>>88071440

Superman as a jock is fucking wrong.

See, this is why i don't like the SM/WW thing, because Superman always end up losing his humanity. Instead of his charming and endearing awkwardness or his all too human desire to enjoy the little things in life to the fullest or the fact that he knows everybody in his neighborhood even the hotdogs vendors, we are dealt with a depressed and lonely poorsack that acts like a Dr. Manhattan wannabe because he can't help but think about just how fucking alien and powerful he is.

So we end up with the autistic superjock.

>>88058489
>>First issue sold well over 100k
No it sold 946k printed. now it was probably over 100k with digital. But nothing really impressing for 2 of DC biggest heroes and it didn't keep selling well like harley quinn.
Bat/sup did much better debut and they weren't dating on the book :)

>>88071570
When hes treating her like a child that need to relarn basic shit yes. Its not love its conditioning.

>>88071246
>What the hell, m8? What did i do to you? And how the fuck Superman treated her as shit? Wonder Woman was easily the worst character in the relationship. Hands down.

when he lost his powers, he just broke up the relationship. He never tried to understand her side about revealing the relationship to JL and the world. At least WW was trying to make the relationship work.

>>88071566
Dark Knight? Kingdom Come? Dark Knight Strikes Again? DKIII? Oh yeah all those minis didn't sold well... in fact great failures! Ohhh come on dear don't talk to me like that in front of the others... they will notice that you love me!

>>88071636

>Bat/sup did much better debut and they weren't dating on the book :)

Riiiiiight, as if Batman wasn't targeted when a villain tried to kill the person Superman true loved. Not Wonder Woman, not Lois Lane. Batman.

>>88071528
What special covers? Majority of the new52 books got monthly variants. DC has special covers for their rebirth books now. Don't act stupid to this fact.

>>88071689
Why would revealing the relationship make sense when she broke up with Steve over a well known relationship.

And dont bullshit me with Supes could handle it when WW never even let him deal with her shit with her. And WW was largely absent in Supes book outside to remind us that they are still banging.

>>88071636
It did better than Rebirth Trinity. Come on the big 3 together can't even reach Batman numbers?

>>88071279
Rucka was really fine with them being friends. he had superman show up on WW house with Ma kent's pie, it was adorable.
I think that azzarello stipped WW of her mythology so much. I think it is a good idead get azzarello's run as a elseworld. If he wants to continue he can just write what he wants. His run works so well as AU.

>>88071826
difference is 3k. insignificant, also not many variant covers

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>>88071610

Wonder Woman comes off as a superficial and inconstant bitch that only cares about herself.

First she proved that she knew Steve Trevor very little. Trevor was in love with Wonder Woman, sure, but he worked for the Justice League because he actually thought they could do a lot of good to the world. He wasn't there just to stalk Wonder Woman. He was there because he believed in their mission and wanted to help them in wherever way he could. He also was a huge help. He was the guy that pretty much kept the US government off the JL's back.

But Wonder Woman thought he was there just to worship her and asked to have him fired just so she wouldn't be held responsible by Trevor's sister. She was looking out for her ego, mostly.

Now Superman is dead and despite constantly locking lips with the guy and making the dude believe she loved him, to the point where he was ready to ask her hand in marriage, she pretty much got over his death. Like, what the hell? They were together for five years.

She also never really understood Superman. She asked him to be open with her and himself, because she wanted him to embrace the Superman persona as his real self, but she kept most of her life a secret from him and would always go behind his back to do things she knew he wouldn't be comfortable with and only telling him afterwards when pressed. When Superman lost his powers she pretty much treated his like a baby.

What a bitch.

>>88071783
>Why would revealing the relationship make sense when she broke up with Steve over a well known relationship.

she didn't broke up with him because everyone knew the relationship. Also I'm not the writer

>And dont bullshit me with Supes could handle it when WW never even let him deal with her shit with her. And WW was largely absent in Supes book outside to remind us that they are still banging.

Irrelevant. WW just had on solo comic, so superman showing up everytime would take away from her. it is basically a technical problem

>>88068906
This is actually pretty true, as much as i'd hate to admit it, Batman/Wonder Woman has a much better dynamic to it.

>>88071982
It's the Trinity. Should've still done better and beyond more.

>>88072001
>Now Superman is dead and despite constantly locking lips with the guy and making the dude believe she loved him, to the point where he was ready to ask her hand in marriage, she pretty much got over his death. Like, what the hell? They were together for five years.

go cry on hell

>>88071725
>Dark Knight? Kingdom Come? Dark Knight Strikes Again? DKIII? Oh yeah all those minis didn't sold well... in fact great failures! Ohhh come on dear don't talk to me like that in front of the others... they will notice that you love me!

these are AUs by acclaimed writers. LOL hellacre

>>88072173
You big mad or little mad? Hate the pairing all day long if you want and waddle in petty shit or calm the fuck down and enjoy Rebirth.

>>88072001
Yeah Rucka's WW is a real bitch, in fact will be funny see that she is one impostor, maybe she is the real "Lie"!

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On JL darkseid war, wonder woman got over superman quickly.
For some reasons superman books keep her being all over him, when she sholdn't be

>>88072207
What the fuck is hellacre?

>>88072260
>You big mad or little mad? Hate the pairing all day long if you want and waddle in petty shit or calm the fuck down and enjoy Rebirth.

just tired of same whining, WW is not meant to be superman's bitch. just let her move on.
why so hard to let her get out of a shitty relationship with dignity

>>88072264
>Yeah Rucka's WW is a real bitch, in fact will be funny see that she is one impostor, maybe she is the real "Lie"!

lol hellacre just crazy today. She is far the better one. keep whining
>>88072340
biggest smww shipper, she owns instagram

>>88071689

>when he lost his powers, he just broke up the relationship.

Big theme in the SM/WW book, be it in the Soule or Tomasi's run, was that Superman wanted someone he could share a relationship the same his pa and ma did. That meant sharing the day-in and day-out of their daily lives and Superman being the protector/provider of the relationship. He had a very old fashioned idea of how relationships should work.

So when he lost his powers Superman felt as if he was failing not only as a hero, but as boyfriend and man as well. He felt emasculated. That's why he tried to regain his powers through extreme measures like driving a space-shuttle directly to the sun. He was desperate.

The fact that Wonder Woman started to protect Superman as if he had become a cripple, constantly being horrified by how weak and fragile he had become and constantly trying to take all the danger in front of them, did a huge blow to Superman's self worth.

Then was the constant thing where Wonder Woman was constantly going behind Superman's back and doing the undiplomatic, direct approach, which is conductive with her portray as the warrior bitch in the book and that Superman never liked. So when Wonder Woman pulled that shit when the government took Superman's friends and colleagues to be interviewed, making an already politically risky situation worse, Superman pretty much blew his fuse.

That's why he dumped her. He felt emasculated and was fucking tired of her constantly behind his back.

>>88072287
Lol doesn't look good for her character. Makes her look like a two-faced hoe. They were fuck-buddies, but then she said she loved him.

>>88072207
Oh... are YOU saying the writer of the pair you love is not a good writer???? Ohhhh nooo, this is mean even for you! The old guy is working soo hard to please you and you say something loke that!!!! Bad bad person! Tsc tsc tsc... well dear now i need sleep, I rhink you know that is really late here in the tropics... but don't worry or be sad... see I liked this forum and will come back a lot and, don't worry, I will find you again! Kisses sweetie and dream with me!

>>88072343
Bruh, you the one not moving on now. It's been over and done for like 6 months. The fuck are you talking about? Her whole entire new 52 life was a lie. What else do you want?

>>88072436

she never said it on JL. fucking eddie berganza and his creepy shipping

>>88072385
I own Instagram, own twitter and own Tumblr but unfortunately I am
Not Hellacre... see this person is obsessed by Hellacre but she don't know that in fact she loves me!

>>88072466

Wait, are you praising the SM/WW portion of Frank Miller's comics?

You do know that Superman and Wonder Woman killed tons of innocent people during the super-sex session in DKRII, right?

>>88072466

No, I didn't. Jurgens is a good writer but not on Moore, Miller level. Different tiers.

>>88072536
>Bruh, you the one not moving on now. It's been over and done for like 6 months. The fuck are you talking about? Her whole entire new 52 life was a lie. What else do you want?

how i'm not moving on? i'm fine with new 52 erased or whatever is happening

>>88072572
Hahhahahah no honey, I think you know how to read, they didn't killed anyone!

>>88072614
Ohhhh Miller is a good writer now?

>>88072424

that is not how superman should act. He was basically putting his self worth with his own powers.

>>88072343
>>88072536
>>88072614


The Rebirth shit isn't a good fix. When you look at the entire picture Wonder Woman comes off as a terrible person.

She kicked Steve when he was a his lowest after proving she knew him very little.
Then later she moves past Superman's death after constantly trying to change his ass.
Now she's trying to rekindle her relationship with Steve by giving the excuse that she was with Superman because it was easier. Of course it was, you fucking bitch.

>>88072659

Now? I don't think so. But in the past he was one of the hotest writers

>>88072287
Because no one read SMWW and they been broken uo for months so that book had no reason so they just stopped trying and forced that shit into the supes book in a weird love triangle.
>>88072135
And her showing up in his books did fuck all.
>>88072001
Stop acting like Superbro loved her when this true love shit didnt show up til the very end out of nowhere and he spent most of his own runs lusting after Lois and Lana.

>>88072544
So what? She didn't. Why are you bringing this up? It's irrelevant now. What's really your problem?

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>>88072625
>they didn't killed anyone!

>>88061642
we've all met OP's mom, anon

>>88072707
So his DK, a book from the past is a hot, of not his hottest book and.. GUESS WHAT? WE HAVE SMWW ON IT!

>>88072664

>that is not how superman should act. He was basically putting his self worth with his own powers.

Welcome to the SM/WW shenanigans.

>>88072705
Well she is going to the looney bin for a reason. This isn't Wonder Woman, though. Idk what the fuck this is.

>>88072765

Are you having a stroke or something?

>>88072614
You still bitching bruh

>>88072705

She was manipulated by external forces. If a person wanted her to believe on a fake paradise island, first person to go was Steve. So those OOC moments derived from the manipulation.

>>88072765
It wasnt praised for the SMWW parts Hellacre.
Nobody gave a shit about it but neither do you. You just like WW is supes cum dumpster. Which is all she did in this entire au.
>>88072705
This shows how terrible the pairing is, dont just blame WW. Supes was a overcontrolling jealous asshole

>>88072935

So WW is pulling a Jean Grey now? She'll blame all her cunty behavior or the "Lies"?

>>88072765
>So his DK, a book from the past is a hot, of not his hottest book and.. GUESS WHAT? WE HAVE SMWW ON IT!

and it isn't the reason the book is a classic. people just love to reach

>>88072946

>Supes was a overcontrolling jealous asshole

Better than being a manipulative, uncaring, violent lying bitch.

>>88072935
Steve crashed on the fake island too or was even his arrival an illusion? Damn, has she been sleep this whole time? What the fuck? It doesn't make sense. It's just one big ass messy retcon.

>>88072737
>Because no one read SMWW and they been broken uo for months so that book had no reason so they just stopped trying and forced that shit into the supes book in a weird love triangle.
it wasn't a love triangle, since sm and ww were finished. Just her starting to rekindle with steve, probably leading to rebirth. Remember it started on darkseid war
>>88072737
>And her showing up in his books did fuck all.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ characters with solo books shouldn't date each other. just make logistics too hard

>>88072946
HEHEHHEHEHHEHEHEH you are funny, really is... it wasn't praise for SMWW parts... yeah that's why nojody talked about right? That's why the image can't get out of your head, that's why you found the page so fast, so easy... because wasn't praised and nobody cared! Hehehehehehe

>>88073007
They think Act of God is a great SMWW story. They are reaching for the fucking stars.
>>88072983
Get over it. SMWW sucked and WW needs a reason for her inconsistent writing.

>>88073100

She was still with Superman in Darkseid War.

>>88072983

Maybe. She could also blame on Johns and superman writers, that would be fair

>>88073089
he crashed on the true island. When he arrives on fake island he sees that is not the one he crashed.

>>88073129

It's a shitty reason.

>Hey, Steve. Can you loan me some money? What? I owe YOU WHAT? 200- Oh... yeah. No, that is all part of the time manipulation thing. I'm serious. I took that money in the fault time-line.

>>88073143
>She was still with Superman in Darkseid War.

No, she wasn't.

>>88073258

Yes, she was.

>>88073100
But if rebirth WW was a lie, her pqst 5 years never happened so the amazon on Darkseid War never existed, she never had a daughter with Darkseid so Darkseid War never happened, if DW never happened Diana's scene with Steve never happened!

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Sooo... why did Wonder Woman cuck Superman with Orion?

>>88073100
Final days was after Darkseid War. There's contradictions within all of this. She reject Steve in the Savage Dawn trade which is set after Darkseid War and in between Final Days right before part 4 of the crossover, now she bashing her own 5 year relationship. Man, DC likes to keep fucking up.

>>88073143
No she wasnt. Supes Solo books still had her in her convergence outfit it was slow paced but Darkseid War and her book and the last issues of Action(?) they were broken up.
Supes under the effects of the lasso said he didnt love her.
But Tomsai dragged it on til the end withwe are not together but still connected shit at the same time hinting at Supes/Lois

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>>88073199
He crashed on new 52 island!

>>88073286
>Yes, she was.

she didn't loved him or cared when he dissappeared. Nothing on darkseid war suggest they are together. Superman one shot doesn't even mention it

>>88073199
He crashed on Azzarello's island.

>>88073373

>Supes under the effects of the lasso said he didnt love her.

You're bullshiting me.

>>88073348
Theres a disconnect with WW and hows shes written during the nu52.
>>88073333
One writer getting back at another for not letting the shit stain his book by bloating a one time thing.

>>88073373
Lol I think you need to go read Darkseid War again, bruh. Wonder Woman said Superman needed her patience and wuv.

>>88073433
She has him in the lasso and asked if he needs her love(which means any kind) and he straight up says no.
He was over her by darkseid war.

>>88073523

When did this happen? Page?

>>88073521
And he said fucking no.

>>88073466
No shit there's a disconnect. Took you long enough to fucking realize that.

>>88073523
And then said that he love her in Final Days! See the love dor her was with him in the end!

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>>88073400

That was azzarello origin, very unfinished. New wonder woman origin is this one

Why the fuck did Tomasi had SM/WW as being forever in love in the book when the plan was to break them up? He even showed in the Truth cross-over and second annual that Superman wanted to marry her.

>>88073556
He said no, because he was acting like a jackass, possesed. He was a prick in his own one-shot. Fucking up shit. At this point you reaching

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>>88073585
This was after Darkseid War... looks love for me!

>>88073624

One of the best things about the current origin is that Wonder Woman grew up as a normal, human girl without any special powers and only started to slowly gain them after becoming the amazon's champion.

This way we stopped with the bullshit about her seeing herself as being superior to normal people or being unable to care for them.

>>88073348

it all seems to be editors ego and different directions. At least on rebirth everyone on the same page

>>88073624
Fake Wonder Woman!

>>88073669

That'd a dying man's last kiss.

I would french kiss even my grandma in her deathbed in she asked me to.

>>88073653
Its happened in the main JL book not his one shot.
Get your facts straight.
He didnt love her.
>>88073585
He also lusted after Lois.
>>88073629

Guess he already had this written and wanted a chance to finish it. But tgats not as bad as Finch's WW just wanted a child thats why she was with Supes and babied Zeke.

>>88073713
Ohhhh so she is not made by clay? Because if she is... she is not a normal girl... normal girls are not made by clay!

>>88073773
As far as I remember was Lois that, forgetting her fiance that jumped in Superman's arms....

>>88073723
Basically what fucked up the new52

>>88073669
And Tomasi literally copy pasted a picture from the beginning of the nu52.
This is from before as shes not wearing her new outfit. Savage dawn had some weird timeline issues.

>>88073784
Madd of clay not by...

>>88073669

more like booty, that is all this relationship is: wank fest

>>88073773
So Superman wanted to marry Wonder Woman and Wonder Woman wanted to have his kid? But he died and she now acts like he was just a fuck-buddy? Geez, get your shit together. Too much unnecessary drama for a damn superhero comic

>>88073629

because drama, sm wanted to propose but he knew they weren't right for each other

>>88073866

Nah. Superman is too vanilla to make whatever sexy scene between Wonder Woman fap worthy.

I feel bad about myself whenever i try to fap to anything related to Superman.

>>88073855
The new costume change was with rebirth launch. Duh.

>>88073929
She wanted any ones kid but since Supes was a recent ex i guess Finch told Finch to use him.
And Tomsai had them why into each other even though they had been broken up.

>>88073960
So why still try to propose? That doesn't make sense.

>>88074005
Darkseid War was the lead up to Rebirth.
Tomasi was fucking behind.

>>88074034
She didn't want just anyone's kid. She said she thought having kids was impossible and didn't start thinking about having kids, marriage and her own family until she was with Clark

>>88073960

Actually, no. Superman wanted to marry Wonder Woman because he wanted to have the same thing his parents had, but Wonder Woman kept things from him and after he lost his powers he felt that marrying her wasn't right anymore. He wasn't a man. Well, at least not to the up to her status anymore. So he decided to not propose her anymore and after learning he was going to die there was no chance of them marrying ever again. So he started to ignore her.

Yes, Superman placed his entire self-worth on his powers. Since he hadn't his powers anymore, he thought he didn't deserve to ask her hand in marriage. How can plain old Clark marry Wonder Woman?

>>88073773
>Guess he already had this written and wanted a chance to finish it. But tgats not as bad as Finch's WW just wanted a child thats why she was with Supes and babied Zeke.

that was so fucking dumb. almost like every woman needs to have babies. how meredith finch was so clueless?

>>88074074
How was he behind when Final Days was after Darkseid War and it led up to superbro's death which set up Rebirth Superman. Darkseid War has yet to be referenced back to. Is Wonder Woman's twin brother going to even show up?

>>88074160
Her husband, im 90% sure he ghostwrited most of her run.
>>88074121
Most of Finch's run is blocked from memory but its stupid writing either way.

>>88074131
>How can plain old Clark marry Wonder Woman?

Plain steve trevor married wonder woman. new 52 superman is a failure, excuse me but it is true

>>88074160

The worse thing about the baby thing isn't even that she wanted Superman's bums, but that the only reason she decided to help Zola and her baby was because she thought of Zola's baby, Zeke, as if he was her own child.

So what was once a selfless act of kindness and compassion was turned into a self-absorbed act of delusion where she pretty much thought of another's child as her own.

>>88074121
>She didn't want just anyone's kid. She said she thought having kids was impossible and didn't start thinking about having kids, marriage and her own family until she was with Clark

this is even worse.

>>88074215
It was a weird mix but he was dying of othershit before Darkseid War like the solar flares, that trinity war sickness and losing his powers.
I think it was a mix but you could be right. I think im confusing it was another part of the Supes books.

>>88074267
Wonder Woman would've married plain Clark. She didn't love him just for power. If it was just for power, she wouldn't have stuck with him. Making him so damn desperate to get his powers back was shitty writing.

>>88074275
This.
This pissed me off the most about finch's run. She wrote WW way worse and you can tell she only got the job because her husband got it for her.

>>88074275

just so awful. I can't even believe it was published, completely undermine WW, makes her like those women that are crazy to have babies;

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Such great writing and characterizations.

1/3.

>>88074343

clark didn't had any confidence on himself and WW just had too little self love to stop pining for a idiot

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Here's a nice page for the preggo fetishist.

2/3.

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3/3.

>>88074343
Thier relationship literally started because of Supes powers getting her wet and she only liked the powers as shown when Bats had to tell her to think about his clark kent identity

>>88058915
I never read nu52.
This is horrible.

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>>88074343

>She didn't love him just for power. If it was just for power, she wouldn't have stuck with him.

She got together with him because she thought he was powerful and great. When he lost his powers she became overly protective of him as if he was a goddamn handicapped person. Superman noticed that. So yeah, his ego was hurt.

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>>88074547

What about this? Shit is literally "Gods Above Us" tier.

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>>88074556

Superman a weird insecurity about Batman, despite Batman being his best friend.

>>88074738
Post that Trinity War snub bout Diana moving on to batman.

>>88074829

What about what?

>>88074911
When Clark had the poisoning he started acting like a jealous twat and started to bring up Diana moving on to Bruce or going back to Steve.

>>88074983

Really? The fuck. I'll search for that.

>>88074983

I ermember that. It was the end of trinity war before forever evil.
It's funny that new 52 loved to show how tough and confident he was, but inside he was so insecure specially of Batman

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>>88075040

I just found it

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>>88074983
>>88075040

Originally Superman and Wonder Woman was supposed to break-up horribly in Trinity War, with Batman being an important player in that.

Maybe this was a left over.

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WTF

>>88075174
>Originally Superman and Wonder Woman was supposed to break-up horribly in Trinity War, with Batman being an important player in that.
>Maybe this was a left over.

If you read last issue of forever evil, it is implied batman and wonder woman have a strong connection when batman uses her lasso to get them out of matrix;
It was never revealed what the connection, and johns said it wasn't romantic. So it was probably another leftover

>>88058436
>>88058910
I like the Supes/WW ship as a rebound from Lois for Supes, and a precursor to Bruce for Wondy, but never as an endgame ship

>>88075174
Yea wonder why they pushed it. The book wasnt popular but i guess couple merch was good enough to push it.
i also sure that connection with Bats and WW was gonna get explored but it also got dropped.

>>88075301
most people who buy merch never read the book.

>>88075251

SM/WW is never good because it's pairing based entirely on their alien nature. So even if it was a brief thing it gives the idea that for a time Clark and Diana thought they should be together because they don't belong with humanity. At least for a time.

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>>88075301

Geoff Johns wanted to hook Superman and Wonder Woman together for a brief time all so he could set up Trinity War, which was going to be about the world losing their collective shit about the idea of Superman and Wonder Woman making super-babies, specially after Superman and Wonder Woman started going around invade countries and shit. So Batman would get in there somewhere and that would spark a huge conspiracy and fight that would see Amanda Waller and the secret society thing involved. This would result in the SM/WW break up which would be ugly.

But then the JL issues where Superman and Wonder Woman hooked up created a lot of media buzz so plans where changed.

>>88075390
Superman was just raised on earth, so this alien for him is bullshit. Wonder woman should never care about powers or even if man/woman. what matters is the heart

>>88075521

Right?
If we go by the post-crisis version of things Clark's powers started to show up during his adolescence. He grew up a normal kid.
Wonder Woman as well grew up surrounded by other amazons like her, with the only difference that she was their princess, but several versions have her being treated as just another amazon. Her powers usually are given to her as a young woman.

So this whole "Oh, we're so different from everybody else, Kal. Hold me!" is pure bullshit that ignores a lot about both characters.

>>88075615

And they're in a team where a single psycho with no powers can kill them both. If that isn't humbly, i don't know.

>>88075487
>But then the JL issues where Superman and Wonder Woman hooked up created a lot of media buzz so plans where changed.

DC "paid" for the media buzz. they went to sites and television to market SMWW

>>88075696
Yeah DC wanted it to have buzz so the break up would get even more buzz but we may never know what changed their minds.

>>88061925
>something beyond the superficial.
You think bonding over a shared emotional void created due to your shared inherent differences from everyone around you is somehow less shallow than shared humor?

>>88076700

>due to your shared inherent differences from everyone around you

They're in the Justice League filled with people with super-powers that need to keep a double life and secret from their loved ones. They aren't alone.

Starting a relationship due to loneliness is also terrible.

This is what it's like to deal with a liberal feminist.

>>88074983
>>88075143
>>88075174
I like to think that Clark is so in love with Bruce that he could only imagine Batman could steal his girl.

>>88077654

Or Superman's so in love with Batman that he thinks people would like him better if he was more like Batman, because of course people love Batman, he did. So why should Diana?

Kinda like those obnoxious guys that won't shut up about how awesome this dude they know is.

>>88058311
>LESBIANS REEEEEEEE

>>88060848
>Hawkgirl just makes an offhanded joke that there are some aspects of men that make them worth keeping

Even when the world is in crisis she still has John's cock on her mind.

>>88058311
is... is the OP an edit?

>>88058311
Welcome to Post New Earth, DC's version of the Ultimate Universe.

>>88071142
>>88058311

DC writers can only write one kind of SM/WW. the injustice kind

>>88058311
That's not what happened at all.
Their relationship wasn't 5 years long. It happened after the time jump so it was prolly a year or two tops.
Second she never bashed him on the secret identity. She even tried it out on a few of their dates.
Third again, time jump so it is not like they started dating after their first meetup but rather after years of being close.
And it's wonder woman she never gets over a death. She still loves new52 supes she just doesn't exclaim it every issue while trying to rebound with married old supes because she has more sense than that.

>>88062556
Same reason she's paired with Batman to be honest. God with God.

>>88080920
>And it's wonder woman she never gets over a death. She still loves new52 supes she just doesn't exclaim it every issue while trying to rebound with married old supes because she has more sense than that.

she still loves new52 superman hahahaha so funny. she is very happy with Stev, that is the man she loves

>>88062291

no, it doesn't. Superman isn't any different from any new 52 JL. Writers just making WW head over heel for superman doesn't make it any better

>>88062556
>I'd never buy a SM/WW TPB, and i doubt the extra pages will make those pages any better. Specially when we all know why DC pairs them up: superficial similarities and power fetish. It has been that way in pretty much 90% of the stories featuring the two as a couple.

true story. it is only that and it give us awful and superficial stories. no wonder SMWW was dead really fast, it was 3 years and when ended only the die hard shippers cared

>>88080920

She bashed the secret identity and every time she talks about Nu52 Superman is in past tense.

>>88081305

She's usually paired with Batman because they clique.

In Joe Kelly's stories was because they liked to challenge and push each other's buttons, which then evolved to flirting. It had nothing to do with outfits, powers or anything like that.

In the cartoons it was because Batman seemed like a puzzle, a man who tried to be distant and cold but would every now and then show that he cared deeply for her. So when she tried to find more about him and his feelings and he lied about it she took it as a challenge.

Even her thing with Aquaman was more about them being past friends than anything else related to them being royals or whatnot.