What is it about Hindu Mythology that prevents its characters,

Simply? Nobody cares about them.

>>88027857
hindu mythology is EVERYWHERE in western fiction

the reference are so ingrained in mainstream entertainment that no one even recognizes them anymore

>>88027875
Like?

Because most westerners will bite their tongues trying to pronounce most of their names.

I still can't keep track of half of the names in 18 Days.

>>88027857

Because those other mythologies come from religions which are either dead or dying whereas Hinduism is alive and well, and there's significant fear of offending Hindus with depictions which don't particularly line up with the worshipers' own headcanons regarding their gods.

>>88027929
Shinto is still kinda-sorta a thing, that doesn't stop a million Raiden/Raijins from existing.

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>>88027857

Because Hindus are almost Muslim-tier when it comes to taking their religion lightly, you only don't hear their screaming because their numbers in the West are lower

>>88027857
>What is it about Hindu Mythology that prevents its characters, motifs, and storylines from being as prevalent and popular in pop culture as Greek, Norse, Germanic, and Japanese mythologies?
The absence of a titanic, influential Indian entertainment industry.

Bollywood is huuuuge, but it doesn't have an inch of Western (where Norse and Greeks are heavily ingrained) or Japanese industries' cultural footprint.

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>>88027965
At least they don't use their nukes at every fucking chance they get.

>>88027857
Because followers of that faith are still around, and bitch if people do anything with it.
Fuck, there's one dipshit who went off on everything from Brahman being in SMT to one vaguely Hindu Overwatch character.
I mean, the Japanese are still around, but given how much they butcher and cannibalize the corpse of Christianity to make weirdly entertaining media (would Evangelion be half as well remembered without the gratuitous Bible references?), it'd be hypocritical for them to bitch when someone does something with Shinto... even if it's mostly the Japs doing anything with it.

>>88027953
80% of Indians are Hindu, like 5% of Japanese people are devout Shintoists.

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>>88027857
Never forget assblasted Pajeets killed Clone High.

Remember when they had a skin of Kali in Smite and some journalists lost their mind? That's why

>>88027857
They're not white. Not even race-baiting.

>>88027857
Because outside of South-West Asia Hinduism is largely completely absent.

Meanwhile Christanity is everywhere, and Greek/Norse/Germanic stuff is popular with the cultures which actually put out pop culture

I would also add Rome to the list of things which are prevalent

>>88028063
From what I understand a lot of Japanese treat Shinto as more philosophy than religion, which might also explain why they don't get assblasted over its media portrayals.

>>88027857
Because Hindus are pretty violent, right below muslims when it comes to their faith.

>>88027857
>germanic mthologies
what? never heard them

>>88028172
They are literally white to the point they have divinities that diverged from the same pool of influences that the celts and greeks had

>>88027953
Yeah, but the Japanese don't care. They just gleefully and incompetently appropriate Christian myth and symbolism in the same way that westerners badly use Shinto myth.

>>88029383
I don't think appropriation is a thing outside of American SJW circles.

>>88027885
Avatars

>>88027857
IS there much of a difference between Greek, Nordic and Hindu mythology? They are all the same unoriginal shit.

>>88028102
What happened?

>>88029125
There's a Japanese proverb that the average man is born Shinto, is married a Chrsitian, and is buried a Budhist-- and that those are the only three times in his life that religion will affect him.

>>88029418
Then you need to read more, man.

Isn't reincarnation their thing?

>>88029275
Norse = Odin, Thor
Germanic = Wotan, Donar

Much the same but different names

>>88029418
Well, the act is, but no one outside of SJWs give a shit.

>>88027857
not enough sexy gods

>>88029479
>not enough sexy gods
>Hindu
Son, that's just ignorance.

>>88029476
Eh... germanic mythology is laughable.
Finnish mythology is more well known

It's weird that no one mentions Egyptian or Chinese or Slavic mythologies, but oh well

>>88029418
>>88029477
I remember when it was called sharing culture instead of appropriation

>>88029418
Well, sort of? In Brazil there's a major soap opera focused on Japanese and Italian immigrants, except the patriarch of the Japanese family is a white guy in yellowface and Japanese actresses are basically window dressing for his scenes, there was some degree of outrage over it, but eventually it just blew over and nothing came of it.

>>88027857
it's because indian media are not popular outsie of india.
Western myths are obviously popular in the western world, and with the power of things like hollywood have reached wider audiences. Japanese myths are popular due to manga and anime.
Only india cares about bollywood.

>>88027857
To complicated

>>88029452
Not muh Ghandi, this is disrespectful, we demand it's taken off the air.

>>88029510
I bet they had a hard time finding Japanese actors that speak Portuguese.

The Little Princess was my introduction to Hinduism. It was pretty dope.

Hinduism is way cooler than Shintoism.

>>88029505
>sharing culture
That's the one, but sometimes the ideas get mixed up in the mail. Like Christmas entirely in Japan.

>>88029501
Egyptian mythology is sort of better known, if only because of mummy stuff.

People probably could name the basic gods and goddesses like Ra, Osiris, Isis, Set, Horus and Anubis.

Oh yeah thanks a lot for stealing the name of a sexy queen goddess, terrorists.

>>88029560

Brazil has the largest Japanese population outside of Japan in the world. Lots of ethnically Japanese people who speak Portuguese there.

>>88029572

I wonder how true that is.

Actually, what actual mainstream media uses Japanese mythology? Do you think the average Westerner could really name a myth or mythological figure?

>>88029571
I don't agree, after all Japan does the best Christmas Cake.

>>88029601
Uhh... Mortal Kombat's Raiden?

>>88029626
I just knew now that he's from Japanese mythology.

>>88029582
Huh. The more you know.

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>>88029501
>germanic mythology is laughable.

Fairy Tales, dude.

>>88029383
>They just gleefully and incompetently appropriate Christian myth and symbolism

Not All Japs.

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It's because it would pale in comparison to this.

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>>88029418
>>88029464
>>88029505
>>88029477
>I don't think appropriation is a thing outside of American SJW circles.

Finally! An excuse to post this image.

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>>88029688
We have reached a new depth in this rabid hole

>>88027857

It's an active religion so people might actually take offense to certain depictions. All the other ones you mentioned have been dead for years.

>>88029313
Yes, but all the popular gods have the aesthetic of being pasty white. I think it's an aesthetic / pride / power thing. Same reason why Jesus is depicted as Caucasoid. You can't have darker skinned people being seen as superior in western media or mythology because that legitimizes those people and their beliefs.

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>>88029801
All the angels and demons and other Christianity stuff though.

>>88029607
never ate one

>>88029511
Maybe if they would export movies that weren't all four hour long minimum musicals this will change.

>>88029520
That wasn't why, even though Indira Ghandi was one of the anti-Clone High bunch. MTV just cancelled every cartoon after a season with the exception of Beavis and Butthead

hindu isn't polytheistic like people in the west think it is. all their deities are actually the same being, just different aspects of that singular god.

>>88027965
Eh, it's not as bad now as it used to be. I wouldn't go as far as to compare Hindus to Muslims, Islam is just a really shitty version of an Abrahamic religion anyway.

>>88029857

America is a very Christian-centric country but they are very lax about their religion being used or even mocked.

On an almost related note The Hellblazer is covering Djinn right now. Most in the comments section of the site I use to read seem perturbed about this choice in antagonist but I think it's kinda cool. Hasn't even really shown them yet anyway, just comics fans being whiners about everything and eating 'member berries.
>'Member when Hellblazer had pretty covers?
>Yeeeeah I 'member!

>>88027928
This.

The Hindu stuff we do use is spit and polished to be more, well, pronounceable.

>>88028025
Also this.

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>>88027857
>india thread

>>88029821
Dude that's india's issue, okay, we didn't give them that.

>>88030107
Huh?

Greek and Norse gods are very human, it makes for good stories.

Hindu gods are perfect, no moral flaws, not as many good stories around them as around, say Tor, Oden and Loke. Also, they are seriously overpowered, at times larger than the universe and all-knowing and such. How do you make a story, that is not a missionary story, about someone like that?

>>88028041
>one turn away from cultural victory
>HERE COMES GANDHI :^)

>>88029520
SAY

>>88028082
The majority of Japan are still Shintos of some description, even those who are Buddhists and Christians.

>>88029275
It's the same as Norse.

>>88027857

>it is an active religion with millions of believers in the world
>not white

Really anon? Are you that stupid? It is just so obvious.

>>88029383
Without cultural appropriation you'd still be living in a house made of your own shit and dying at thirty after you were chosen to be the one to be burned in the wicker man.

>>88029857
Yeah but they have to make up characters, it's why it's Mephisto and not the Devil, or even Mephistopheles. Why Gabriel, St. Micheal, etc. never appear.

>>88029961
Maybe that's a relatively new idea.

Relative as in hundreds of years instead of thousands.

>>88030680
>>88029961
The idea of Hinduism in itself being a religion was basically created by the British, anyway. Before that there were different groups of people who had somewhat similar beliefs.

>>88030450
>Greek and Norse gods are very human, it makes for good stories.
>Hindu gods are perfect, no moral flaws, not as many good stories around them as around, say Tor, Oden and Loke.
Man I have a cursory knowledge of Hindu mythology I can tell you straight away that ain't true.

Mythologies always have awesome stories because they're plugged into the collective consciousness of a people like nothing else. Hindy Mythology has a ton of awesome stories and characters.

>>88029870
It's their term for single women over 25, ask /a/

Since "nobody wants Christmas cake after the 25th"

>>88027857

>Comics that use christian mythos in the same level as others religions and mythologies

Where can i find this? I just want to see Thor punching Jesus in the face.

>>88027857
Nobody really worships Greek or Norse religion anymore, they have long since become the realm of myth.

Hinduism is still widely practiced and they tend to get butthurt when people "appropriate" it.

Based on what I've seen out of Hinduism's legends, one of the issues is that it doesn't have a built-in pantheon with legends about court intrigues and such.

They're either different aspects of the supreme deity or basically angels, beings clearly bellow and in a different category from the actual supreme deity. It'd be basically Christianity 2.0 with names and motifs most people don't know.

Hinduism have good stories.
But they don't have stories like:
"Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva was walking around down on Earth when they came across a sleeping giant. Vishnu was drunk and tried to bash his head in, but failed."
The kind the Norse have.

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>>88029688
holy shit why do people like this exist

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>>88031051

PIE would indicate that all Greek, Norse and Germanic mythologies are basically Hindu ones anyway ;^)

>>88031051
I just can't appreciate this one knowing that it was written and drawn by a white woman. That just adds another layer of oblivious stupidity, to my mind.

Because India doesn't know how to play the 'culture war' game that Western civilization does.

Hell, the only reason why Japan hasn't been subsumed by other cultures is because they infiltrated into American culture after losing WWII.

Indian culture isn't willing to sacrifice their religion on the altar of culture war, so they'll always be behind those that did.

> people only like your native religion because of human sacrifices and jewelry
> no media tells the story about how Quetzalcoatl was the perfect husbando

some day...

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>>88031973
some day

>>88028142
Journalists weren't the ones complaining. Hindu religious leaders were.

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>>88033853

>>88029443
Umm no.

>>88034676
Hell, I'm mexican and I had to pause to say it.

>>88031627
I'm impressed by the devotion to irony there.

>>88034684
Um yes. The concept of an Avatar is 100% Hindu.

>>88036449
explain

>>88036541
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avatar

>>88036541
The use of the word avatar (avatara) to mean the form a deity takes descending to Earth was started by hinduism, and it was imported from there by other cultures.

>>88029961
I know 2 Hindus, one practices like you say and is a vegetarian, while the other actually thinks of them all as separate gods and eats some meat. Other than that the practices are almost the same. They even fast on the same days.

I know an other Indian that has a more strict diet than the vegetarian, but I am not sure why or what other differences there are in their practice.

>>88027857
It's not based on ego and muscles, that's why.

>>88027885
Matrix.

He's right, it's all over the place, but you're too uneducated to see it.

>>88031973
Wasn't he in FF8?

>>88036647
>>88036670

Well now, I feel sheepish.

Of course most people use the word differently blah blah blah MOVIES.

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Hindu mythology inspired fiction is top fucking tier.

>>88030717
DC uses a lot of Christian mythos, as well as other mythologies and ties it in pretty well.

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>>88031973
>>88033853
fuck hindus, mesoamerican religion is what's criminally underused

>>88030717
>Thor punching Jesus in the face.
Getting real tired of Marvel's hero vs hero events bullshit.

>>88031627
Poe's law is strong with this one

>>88027928
/thread

Seriously, stop embarrassing yourselves with any other replies, plebs.

Seems a tad insulting to hindus

>inb4 a heavy metal guy claims to worship thor
No...no you don't.

>>88027857
As a Hindu, I'll just say it's because Hindu stories involve brown people and there aren't many brown people around telling good enough stories using Hindu mythology as a basis.

>>88030717

>Where can i find this? I just want to see Thor punching Jesus in the face.

God is Dead?

Or that Liefeld (I think?) comic where Jesus fought the Greek or Roman pantheons.

>>88039217
I used to work with a 30 something neo pagan. He also named his son Gray after Dick Grayson.

>>88027857
too convoluted and garish, Indians in america should start their own production company and do it themselves we cant just expect white people to do it for you
just dont make it gettho like the shack

also alot of butthurt from sjw's calling for cultural appropriation

>>88036783

Yeah, but they always portray him as a winged serpent (and/or mix him up with kukulcán) and forget that he was a relatively handsome dude in at least one of his stories.

>>88041264
>>88031973
>>88033853
https://youtu.be/nDwc7YnpzWc?t=135

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I would recommend everyone in this thread right now read Lord of Light.

>>88031627
The Crossbreed are probably my least favorite team in Astro City.

>>88041690

Well, that was a million times better than I expected.

>>88031973
And that's why i love warcraft trolls.
Zul'Drak, Zul'Aman and the entirety of their culture is a weird mix of voodoo and mesoamerican mythology up to gods based on Quetzalcoatl and Tezcatlipoca, jaguar warriors and an eagle knight boss.

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Yugioh

>>88030680
Its in the Yajur Veda. So its thousands buddy.

>>88030450

If you don't read any stories and just spout bullshit that's not our problem.

>>88027857

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shroud_(comics)

>>88027885
Video games, comics, etc. The Japanese are even more influenced by it. Most asian culture is really just repurposed indian mythology.

>>88029501
>Eh... germanic mythology is laughable.

The days of the week are named for some of them, motherfucker.

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>>88027857
Practicing Hindus flipping shit over inaccurate portrayals.

And it kinda sucks, because Hindu has to be the most COMICS religion ever.

>>88030703
Like back in 1985 it was.

>>88036877
I don't know what you're talking about

>humans are gods to blue people
>blue people are scared of humans
>so humans make a blue body controlled by them to walk among the blue people as equals
ie an AVATAR

>>88037667
No Jesus though. Everybody uses Satan but never Jesus.

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Lack of Interest + Fear of offending people.

All the religions OP mentioned have few, if any, remaining followers.

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>>88029479
rowr

>>88027929
5th post, most sensible post

I think Stan Lee tried to include Hindu stuff in Thor but then Pajeets got mad even though there are only like 20 indian comic readers

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Rama plays a huge role in Deadman's mythos.

Expect for some reason he's a woman.

>>88036877
>most people use the word differently
No, most people use the word in that exact context or a context one level down.

>God to Man
>Man to robot/android/program

>>88027857
Cant take a mythology seriously when all of your gods can be killed by a single japanese god the kawaya kami

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>>88029983
Islam is as Abrahamic as Paul is Apostolic.

>>88027929
This.
Just look at that dot-headed dickwhistle who got up in arms because Blizzard made a Kali skin for Overwatch and had a fit because the same bloodthirsty goddess of destruction was a character in Smite.

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feels good being fatefag where you can have myths, historical characters and fictional characters from all over the world.

pic related, Ibaraki Douji and Romulus.

>>88046966
But why Deadman? Why some C-List caucasian acrobat instead of someone a little more Indian-y?

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>>88048581
Fate is bad and you should kill yourself for liking it.
I hate Fate so fucking much, especially as a history and mythology fag.
>dude, what if KING Arthur was QUEEN Arthur.
>FUCKING AMAZING. GIVE THIS MAN A FUCKING RAISE.

>>88030614
Ah, Japan. A country where you can be a member of three different religions at the same time and still be secular.

>>88049585
Hey, one of my country's national heroes was turned into a little girl by the Japanese and you don't hear me getting all butt-blasted over it.

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>>88050041
I just like mythology so fucking much dude.
Not to say I don't like different or unique versions of characters since the Shin Megami Tensei series is one my favorite vidya franchises.
By the way which country?

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>>88050041

>>88050090
Finland. The person they lolified isn't even a mythological character but a real person.

>>88050131
Tell me more Fin friend.

>>88050147
Simo Häyhä, the sniper who has the world record for most kills. They made a manga about him, only he's a little girl now.

>>88050210
God fucking dammit.
I don't even know the character and it pisses me off.

>>88050225
It doesn't piss me off. I think it's so absurd it's funny.

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>>88049585
looks like someone is pretty mad.

>>88050294
DUDE
WAIFUS
LMAO
Fate is the mlp of vns.

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>>88050419
Husbandos too.

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>>88050452
I liked Izkander even if he is just brown good guy Ganandorf. I'll give you that.

>>88045964
>Hindu has to be the most COMICS religion ever
I swear that shit reads like fucking Final Crisis sometimes, you get a bunch of dudes with crazy superpowers and crazier magi-tech, and above them you get Super Cosmic Beings bigger than the multiverse

When it comes to Hindu stuff in other cultures the most I see is in Xianxia basically Wuxia's fantasy cousin, the various authors in the genre tend to pull liberally from the most overpowered parts of Buddhism and Hinduism and shove um in a blender with DBZ, the collected jizz of the Peking Opera House, a box of Shaw Brothers VHS tapes and Bruce Lees skeleton and hit puree

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>>88050472
there is also his younger self, Alexander, the greek boi.

>>88050419
why are you so mad?

>>88050756
I just don't get how people can act like its a masterpiece when nothing about it gets to me. I don't really like the designs, the way they change characters feels pointless and like its just stupid anime bullshit. The plot is dumb. I HATE SABER AND HER FANS.
and I know a massive Fatefag that acts like its god's gift to the world while shitting on other stuff I like even though the stuff he criticizes my tastes about is the same in Fate but he'll still argue it isnt.

>>88027857
my guess is because, if you follow the language tree, it leads to proto-indo-european, which might mean some religious culture came from india

perhaps, if you look at the hindu religion, you'll find that eveyrthing else originated from that.

and that would make christians, jews and muslims butthurt this way and that

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>>88050843
did you read the novel?

because it has more about heroism than more shit on /co/.

FSN deals with the thematic feel of heroism, in this case the japanese heroism, different from the american, the seigi no mikata concept and how Shirou deals with the situations and how he perceives his idealism, how he acts when idealism enters in conflict with the realism and when he trows away his idealism for his loved one.

There may be other reasons for other people for liking fate, for me I like this take on heroism, I like history and mythological take on characters, I like the slice of life and the magic shit going on. And there are lots of different Fate, you may like ones and dislike others.

And Arturia is shit.

>>88051276
You seem like a guy I can agree with. I'll give the novel a try if I get a chance.

>>88050873
Er, no it didn't. Rather Hindu Mythologies and European mythologies originated from the same root. As did Persian mythology and a few other, but noticeably NOT Abrahamic ones, because they're not a part of the Indo-European family.

>>88050873
Some Slavic, Persian and Hindu pagan beliefs have common roots and similar deities, but the Abrahamic faiths don't have much to do with that.

>>88051276
Fate's take on heroism is absolutely juvenile and empty. It posits an artificial problem (you can't save everyone) and then spends 15 times more words than is necessary to reach an obvious solution.

The slice of life stuff was the only part I found worthwhile. I even liked Shiro, but would have preferred if they ditched the whole philosophy angle and just focused on how fucking brain damaged he is.

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>>88051609
its not only about saving everyone, shirou knows that, but the problem is more about, its not about his wishes per se and more about this inheritance from his father.

Its like a doctor son that the father wishes him to became a doctor, and the son has its doubts about it, and when he realizes that, he will accept, even when its about trying to save or saving only one person.

>>88050030
It's not that unique.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdolFXcNAH4&t=0m40s

>>88051657
Shiro's arc is specifically a rejection of his father's teachings in favor of a more idealistic view, which all ultimately revolves around their ability to save people. That is the linchpin and theme of the entire work. And it's pointless.

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>>88051763
No it isnt. Its all about saving them, his father thought of saving 100 people is better than saving his family, its all about the numbers. And Archer is the same as his father, Archer is the manifestation of this ideal (later he would show up as a counter guardian too, pic related). And the conclusion is nothing about the ability to save people, its all about trying, just like Superman, he would not stop trying to save people, even if he dies, even if he is betrayed at the end, he will still keep trying to save another. That is totally not pointless.

Even in the anime they put on the final scene this:
https://youtu.be/RlXSYdmYBuA?t=113

And the "saving everyone" theme its about other character, Kotomine Shirou from Fate/apocrypha

>>88051944
>And the conclusion is nothing about the ability to save people, its all about trying, just like Superman, he would not stop trying to save people, even if he dies, even if he is betrayed at the end, he will still keep trying to save another. That is totally not pointless.
It's pointless in that it is an obvious, foregone conclusion. The novel spends literally more words than the Bible to reach a conclusion for which any child will tell you "Well duh." That's why I say it's juvenile. It's a philosophical thesis on a problem which doesn't really exist.

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>>88052019
No, its not.

Think about a fireman, he will go through fire and collapsing building to save a person, its his job, but why he do what he do? If you dont think about the reasons about what you do that is where you can go wrong (in this case, Archer). Shirou wasn't wrong, but Archer was, he is the one that forgot the answer, about why he killed lots of people, he was and will ever be pissed off, but the outcome that people will be saved and is what he cares. Fireman do their job not because of money, but something else, what is this something else, I dont know.

You may not like the length of the discussion but there are people who still think that Archer was trying to create a paradox and kill his past self to eliminate his future, even with all that information.

>>88052227
Again, this. Isn't. Deep.
There's no grand or clever insight into the nature of heroism there, it's just an obvious and circular idea that altruism requires you to actually be altruistic.

I dislike the length of the discussion because it detracts from the point. It's like a teenager trying to sound clever. If you actually know what you're talking about you'll explain it simply and concisely. If you don't you'll throw as many words as you can and make it seem as complex as possible to make yourself look smart. Which is what Fate does.

>>88046510
What is this from and is it good?

>>88029857
1. Very rarely used in context
2. Extended lore is rarely ever touched
3. Very rarely painted properly
4. Christan stuff is split between all its roots and neighbors, and the Christian Lore itself

>>88052542
Supergod
Its good

>>88029676
It wasn't a very good video game, though.

>>88029821
Isn't one of their major deities fucking BLUE?

>>88052981
It was barely even a video game to begin with.

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>>88030717
>I just want to see Thor punching Jesus in the face.

I can give you Jesus saving Ghost Rider.

>>88029418
Tell that to black people and their music for entire 20th century.

>>88049168
Indians are Caucasian. But in seriousness , why would a God of death play favorites with race especially in a world that's intermingled to the point it has? What is she just going to wait for the next human who becomes entrapped in nexus of life and death? That's just limiting yourself.

>>88056472
Are you saying they're appropriating or being appropriated? Because neither are true

>>88027885
Hulk was based off the Asuras

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>>88027857
I dont know about hindu specifically, but there are indian superheros, pic related