Why all the hate for Diane? In a show where most of the characters

I never got it either

>>88020464
She didn't start as a terrible person. Everyone else was already dead inside. People watching expected her to be the better person in most situations, but either she was always broken inside or the people/animals around her broke her. Both possibilities are just as sad as the other.

>>88020464
I thought she was a little uninteresting during the first season. She really grown on me since Season 2. Right now, she is one of the best characters, as well as the best developed.

>>88020607

Neither did she. "I'm not the person I thought I was."

>>88020464
Because society in general does not like women who are abrasive or have severe personality flaws, and does not like women who try to change things through activism, because it gets in the way of them being entertaining trophy dolls.

She voices her real opinions and that's the most cowardly thing to do.

>>88021822
easy there, tumblr

>>88020464
I was really pissed when she leaked those book chapters, but she's grown on me constantly since then.

She's very flawed, sure, but she really loves Mr. Peanutbutter, and he loves her, and I think they're sweet together.

I also cried when she told Bojack about how Horsin' Around made her feel like she had a family when she was growing up.

Anybody else here feel the same?

>>88020464
She presents herself as a better person then anyone else, when she's just as broken.

You see the first episode and expect her to be the manic pixie dream girl that saves Bojack from himself. Instead you later found out that she spend the entire first episode lying her ass off to Bojack in order to get him to like her. She makes private some of Bojack's most private thoughts and humiliates him. And she never says Sorry.

>>88021953

She loves Mr. Peanutbutter? Mr. Peanutbutter loves her but it seems like Diane loves being loved by Mr. Peanutbutter. Except when she doesn't. Diane treats Mr. Peanutbutter horribly. The whole end of Season 2 was a horrible thing to do to someone that loves you.

>>88021995
>And she never says sorry.
She does in season 2. In fact, they make a point of her never having said sorry, and then she says the words "I'm sorry," in reference to that very thing.

Todd is the closest character to a good person. And even he occasionally takes Bojack's willingness to let him stay there for SIX YEARS FOR FREE for granted.

>>88020464
Because she's a girl and /co/ doesn't like it when potential waifus are shown as flawed human beings.

>>88022037
What Diane did was horrible, I agree. That doesn't mean she doesn't love him, though. That means she fucked up. I think she's appreciated him much more since then, and been much more willing to try and accommodate him and make him feel good.

Like when he pointed out that Cabracadabra saved a bunch of lives including women's lives, so "maybe not sexist?" and you could tell she really wanted to point out that it being able to save a bunch of lives is really mostly a huge coincidence, but she didn't, because she wanted to let him have his moment.

>>88022099
Reblog'd

>>88020464
I think the fact that people on /co/ hate Diane shows they got her character right. She's exactly the kind of person 4chan would hate if she existed in real life.

>>88022064

I hated that Todd got upset with Bojack for sleeping with that girl, and then it later turned out that Todd had no sexual interest in the girl anyway because he's asexual or whatever.

I mean, Jesus. The girl wanted to fuck. You can't keep brushing off her advances like that and then get angry when she has someone else do the job.

>>88022266

Todd was upset because the tension it created drove her away. Bojack couldn't bring himself to talk about it and it made her leave the company she helped create. It's the disrespect and cowardice in that Todd was reacting to.

Also, checked.

>>88022266
>>88022327
My big thing was when BoJack said I LET YOU LIVE ON MY COUCH FOR SIX FUCKING YEARS AND I LET YOU RUN YOUR CAB SERVICE OUT OF MY HOUSE and Todd is all YOU ONLY DID THAT BECAUSE YOU FELT LIKE SHIT OVER EMILY.

What, like BoJack only let you live on his couch for the first five and a half years under the assumption he would eventually bone your high school girlfriend?

>>88022376

Todd was probably reacting to the last half rather than the first half.

As for the couch thing, Todd was basically the only person on earth laid back enough to tolerate close contact with Bojack for six years. He's Bojack's only real friend, and first season shows the extent to which Bojack needed Todd to be there. When it looked like Todd was going to have a success Bojack actively sabotaged it to keep him on that couch.

>>88022376
Todd is an irrational ass in later seasons.

I just want Penny to confess that she was essentially going to rape Bojack and have it destroy her relationship with her mother

Bojack did nothing wrong

>>88022507

He was completely flanderized. In the first season he was just kind of a lazy, happy-go-lucky stoner.

After that he just got progressively more and more oblivious, retarded, and irrational.

>>88022488
Yeah. That's my point. Todd is so incapable of actually doing anything that other people would be willing to pay him for that he needed to find someone as fucked up as Bojack to keep him from starving to death.

If it weren't for Bojack, he'd be doing slave labor on an improv comedy cruise.

>>88022530
>Bojack did nothing wrong.
You mean when he told her "go to bed" and intentionally left the door open to his cabin and climbed in bed, after doing the exact same thing with the balloons with her that he did with her mom a long time ago before the two of THEM had sex? What could possibly lead you to think that Penny was going to rape him?

>>88022574

The thing about Todd is he's actually pretty successful at pretty much everything he tries. That's partly contrived writing, but we do see that Todd is capable of working at something with real focus and enthusiasm.

I think the two of them just had a really fucked up co-dependant relationship, that Todd moved on from before Bojack did.

>>88020464
Diane is pompous phony, that's why she gets shit. She got shook out of that in season 2 yet seems to be reverting to type by the end of season 3. Enjoy watching her humiliate the husband she depends on so she can feel like she's writing important gossip columns for that trash blog she got hired onto.

>>88020464
Except that she is. Most of them know they're trash. Diane likes to think she's a good person forced into trash.

Here's an example:
>broken
Bojack is
Diane is
>blames other people
b yes
d yes
>think that there's something wrong with them
b yes
d no
>thinks that they're doing the best they can
b no
d yes
Diane is just a snow flake. The whole world pushed her to whatever idiocy she persues. It's never her fault but she laments her circumstances just the same. THEN along comes a circumstance that FORCES her to aknowledge her role in everything and, rather than getting a harsh comuppance like every one else (even Todd and PB), she instead gets away with it 100% after a few months of moping. Surprise surprise it's the rest of the world at fault, yet again.

There are no other characters who are as broken as her with that same level of selfrighteousness. Even Jackie-Lynn understands more about what she is and how it came about. Dianne is hands down the worst person/

>>88021822
t. Diane
>>88021854
Bojack voices his opinions more meaningfully. Remember the marines speech? Diane just likes people to listen to her, which is why she flaked when she actually got out into the trenches with charity work.

>>88022266
>use he's asexual or whatever.
Getting angry over the principle of the thing is fine. The asexual meme, on the other hand, is not.

>>88023741
>Dianne is hands down the worst person
Bojack's mother and Copernicus are both way worse.

>>88023839
You wouldn't know if his mother is the worst. There's little to no development on her end. We just see her through bojack. Side characters are irrelevant/

I recently binged on Bojack having heard alot about it. I enjoyed Season 1 the most - but as it dragged on many of the tolerable characters became MUCH more unlikeable.

Diane is a phony, she's a mouthpiece for political feminist bullshit some writer is hamfisting in that is nothing but cringy, she pretends to be good but really treats people like shit. She just become boring and uninteresting.. they even said it themselves a discount asian Daria with none of the charm.

Todd became just a total waste of time, any potential character development was thrown out the window - he didn't make Bojack own up to shit only to find out he is asexual. So the whole drama with his old friend is dissolved - oh also and he blows a fortune on a tip? Like, he's too retarded to be of any use.

Mr.PB gets anything he wants handed to him, no real growth - I was hoping to see a dark side but nothing came forth.

Bojack is very interesting and so is Princess Caroline (best character in the show IMO) - but everything else seemed to kind of blue-ball the audience. Todd character arc -pointless. Diane character arc - ruined character. Mr.PB arc - he's just a Gary-Stu.

I think the series will just circle around Bojack until he kills himself or some shit - they seem to like to point out he is irredeemable no matter what.

At least Princess Caroline deserves a happy ending.

>>88020464
This shitty dumb board things every woman character needs to be either a love interest or a waifu, a bad waifu means she is a bad character. She is a flawed woman that isn't happy even when she is married to someone that loves her.

>>88020464
She is fake that's why. She has always been as broken she just Is getting off her high horse a bit now which makes some enjoy her more and others think her character is just completely changing and are like wtf? At the end of the day some people you may be calling a Normie are a good bit more fucked up than you they are just better liars to compensate sometimes they can even believe for a moment even if deep down they know it isn't true.

>>88026016
This board is shit but there are plenty of fags and /co/mblerets as well as teenagers and literal 25 year old man babies. I love this medium that is animation so I used to upload a lot here but you scum aren't worth it that's why I just do it somewhere else now and let someone repost it cause I know you will you are all parasites literal vermin. I feel sorry for whoever has to clean your shit streaked undies (your mom or granny probably). Oh and fuck you Pan I know you're here stealing content from anonymous users to make your bojack review just like you did with the neutron one.

>>88020464
because she will end up hurting mr peanutbutter

ans I want to protect his smile

Bojack does bad things because he doesn't know how to do good and has grown so accustomed to failure and rejection that he feels validated by fucking up.

Diane does bad things out of malice and cruelty.

I hate how she represents people like this
>>88021822

>>88020464
I don't find her all that interesting. She's the most plain and boring of all the characters and fucked up in a very regular way

>>88020464
Maybe people feel cheated or betrayed since she looked like she had her shit together.

>tfw you realize you are exactly like Diane
;_;

>>88022037
I think she wants to love Mr. Peanutbutter, but she probably is not capable of loving anyone considering how she is.

>>88022266
Tod was a real assholle that last episode.
He enabled Bojack assholish behavior a lot and was not only a helpless victim.
Fucking hypocrite.

Mr. Peanutbutter loves Diana unconditionally.
Diane doesn't love Mr. Peanutbutter, but it too egotistic to tell him.

She has everything and it's not good enough for her.

>>88023622
>humiliate the husband she depends on
When did that happened? I need a refresher.

>>88023741
In my perception it looks like Diane tries to act like the better person because she desperately wants to be a good person.
Even if she doesn't get as much external karma as the other characters she's probably the one that gives herself more shit for her bad behaviors.
She's a selfish fuck up but not at all a bad person, at least she keeps trying.

>>88026560
Peanutbutter deserves to be hurt. He's a two faced sack of lies.

>>88025999
Yes, the latest season reeked of suffering porn to tell the truth.
It was charming at the beginning, now it's getting way to depressive and pathetic.

>>88026641
fuck you i hope you fucking die

>>88026619
in the finale she is in the talks with some fictional buzzfeed/jezebel/gawker SJW hybrid and is asked if she'd talk shit about Mr. PB if asked to and she takes the job

I mean it's fucking confusing to me to pinpoint where are the shows' writers in the culture struggle between snowflakes and their detractors

>>88026071
What's going on with this post?
Where do I subscribe to your blog?

>>88026016
but Princess Caroline is a good character that is neither a waifu or a love interest.

>>88026613
The thing is that everything she has she doesn't believe she deserved.
That's why she can't enjoy anything, she's mostly looking to get recognition of her worth as a human being because she can't believe in it by herself.

>>88026660
Oh yes, I remembered.
Isn't that kind of thing actually quite common for that kind of journalist to do?
Maybe she'll have to sell her soul to get professional success.

>>88026677
To be fair PC is one of the least flawed characters in Bojack.

>>88022037
I forget, what did she do again?

>>88026678
I don't see it that way; I'd rather describe it as having a weltschmertz because she wants 'to make a difference' and discovers that accomplishment in this world is surrounded by vanity

- she is a wife of a shitty sitcom actor
- guy who she thought she admired turns out to be a narcissist asshole
- she discovers that she isn't up to the task of 'making a difference'
- all the wealth and wasted money that surround her husband, Bojack and all the hollywood caste
- her biggest acomplishment is a book that doesn't even have her name on it and is about another shitty sitcom actor

that's why she is grasping at straws and pretends to 'care' when she is just like all the things she despises and enjoys eating tons of pizza on Bojacks couch

>>88026717
>enjoys eating tons of pizza on Bojacks couch
That part is more akin to self harm though.
Her drug of choosing is pizza ala Bojack.

>>88026639
>the one that gives herself more shit for her bad behaviors
I hope you aren't saying this relative to other characters giving themselves shit. Diane pushes her blame very, very often. Noone gives her shit and occasionally she'll give herself some shit.
All the other characters hold themselves accountable often and are CERTAINLY held accountable by others.

>>88025999
Season 3 came off as maybe half a season's worth of development but I do think the series as a whole is moving somewhere.

In season 1 Bojack is forced to realize that he is a bad person, in season 2 he tries to correct that by becoming a "real actor" but fails, and in season 3 he tried to become an award-winning, if phony, respected Hollywoo star, but failed.

When he fails in seasons 2 he tries to retreat into the past but fails disastrously and loses what little connection he had. When he fails in season he just sinks into chemical hedonism like he's done many times before but this time there was permanent consequences for someone else. He can't just feel sorry for himself anymore; he helped someone else kill themselves.

Bojack's options have been shrinking the whole series and something has to give.

>>88020464
On top of being an asshole, she's bland as fuck.

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Diane would be more interesting if she actually was an Asian Daria. If she was sarcastic, pessimistic and intelligent, you might understand why Bojack likes her and likes her differently to the other women in his life.

>>88027416
Bojack became infatuated with her because she's cute and because she wrote that book on Secretariat and going forward their relationship might be based on recognition of shared dysfunction.

I don't know if Daria's personality works outside of the teenage setting. A lot of that show rode on the fact that Daria HAD to go to school and interact with all those caricatures. An adult Daria reasonably could be asked "why don't you go do something else, then?"

>>88027440
You make a good point. I just think somebody with a little more "edge" would have contrasted with Bojack's usually vapid girlfriends more and that would have made their relationship seem more important.

>>88021822
This tbqh famalamacrashboombam.

She is no manner of waifu and yet she exists, which I'm sure you all find to be abhorrent.

>>88026660
They take shots at snowflakes all the time but they're clearly Leftys (see the strawmanning in the abortion episode).

Some examples from season 3 because I saw it most recently I remember it best; Bojack goes to a school to kiss ass for his Oscar bid and speaks derisively on the phone about the "non-denominational Frosty the non-gendered snow person" play the kids are doing, and the school is called "Rounded Corners Elementary" or something, criticizing academic coddling.

It mocked hipster racism in the 2007 flashback episode when Diane's white hipster friend said "I hate white people" and Diane and her black hipster boyfriend were uncomfortably silent (until hipster boyfriend agreed because he is a conformist).

Hell, hipster (ex)boyfriend in season 1 is a parody of wimpy SJW-type guys with his ridiculous appearance and the pathetic way he's just hanging around Diane hoping she'll suddenly want to fuck him again.

>>88027543
I certainly find YOU abhorrent.

>>88020607
She was already broken
look at her family and how they treat her

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>>88021822
Calm down Diane

>>88021822
This, sadly.

>>88021822
>and does not like women who try to change things through activism

She's a spineless little bitch who changed nothing but her address to Bojack's fucking couch. She only is an "activist" to feed her own ego which needs stroking because her family life fucked her up beyond repair. Oh but of course she identifies as a feminist so /co/mblr will leap to her defense and say it's everyone else's fault because boy oh boy do you gals just LOVE the victim card don't you

>>88025999
>I was hoping to see a dark side but nothing came forth.

There is a dark side to Mr. PB. He's doing his best to escape/ignore anything even remotely negative in his life. But for brief moments you can see through this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZYJKtOjJXg

I actually think Diane is a decent character, even if she does some underhanded shit. I mean, I don't know what it is. I'm normally more prone to disliking bossy and irrational women characters in shows (I especially find Peggy Hill to be abhorrent.) but I have no real issue with Diane.

I think perhaps it's because she's not as sure of herself as others seem to be. She's clearly in great pain over her choices and her life in general. She also seems more willing to acknowledge when she is wrong, and that alone makes her more relateable to me than a Peggy Hill.

>>88028174
>She also seems more willing to acknowledge when she is wrong, and that alone makes her more relateable to me than a Peggy Hill.
More willing than Peggy Hill? Sure, but that doesn't say much.

She seem to be pretty good at coming up with self-serving interpretations of her own actions. One of her densest single moments of characterization is in the rapist Hippo episode when we find out that she considers her angry leaking of Bojack's biography in season 1 to have been a morally superior act.

>>88020464
It's /co/, hating fictional cartoon girls is the only way half of this board gets to feel good about themselves.

>>88028322
Says a lot since Peggy almost never admits it and when she does it's almost always in a way that validates her own outlook. Her head is so far up her own ass she can't even see how flawed her Spanish is, nevermind her own perspectives.

I'm not saying Diane is perfect; far from it. She's simply, in my opinion, more tolerable than other female characters that she shares a role with.

>>88020464
She's not just terrible, she's also a hypocrite. She bends her morals, but hates other people who do so and tries to punish them for it while trying to avoid any repercussions herself.

That doesn't make her a bad character, just a bad person though.

She's ostensibly the "straight man" character, the one who's outside looking in at the sleaze and selfishness of this Hollywood lifestyle.

And yet, she embraces it herself, for her own sense of fame and self-importance. Her relationship with Peanutbutter, the leaking of the chapters, etc.

In a way, that makes her worse, because she actually realizes these flaws and claims a moral superiority to do so, yet does it herself anyway. It's the reason a lot of people who claim to be liberal or on the "right side of history" are catching flak these days.

>>88030423
>her own sense of fame and self-importance
See the Hippopoplous episode. The show all but states outright that he is a rapist so Diane is morally correct to want him to be punished for his crimes, but it's important to remember that nothing regarding the situation actually changed in the whole episode. Hippopoplous' criminal side was well-known gossip and Diane LAUGHS ABOUT IT in the beginning of the episode to demonstrate that Bojack isn't such a horrible guy.

Diane only got involved because she accidentally thrust herself into the spotlight and decided to ride it.

Diane wasn't wrong but she's effectively portrayed as a self-righteous blowhard (aside from naive and ineffective). I love that episode.

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She's in the way of my hasbando

>>88020464
because everything bojack did, at least he took care of a baby. even though the responsibility was dumped on him without his asking, and he had no idea how to do it.. he did it anywya because it's the right thing to fucking do

>>88030423
>She's ostensibly the "straight man" character, the one who's outside looking in at the sleaze and selfishness of this Hollywood lifestyle.
I didn't like the first several episodes of season 1 that much. They were OK but I couldn't figure out why I was hearing this show was so great.

Bojack off-handing that Diane is unable to support herself with her writing in the Boston episode was one of the things that kept me going. Being a no-accomplishment bag of hot air isn't anything like the sitcom mom Diane sometimes seems like.

>>88032737
Bojack does have some fatherly instincts as shown by him "taking care" of Todd for years and getting that baby home safely. I'm not sure Diane would have gone that far for the kid, probably would have gone to the nearest police station and dumped them there.

I can't imagine Diane as a mom. She's got too many issues and would think she wasted her last chance to do something she deems important and would forever take it out on the kid and Mr. Peanutbutter until it ended in a brutal divorce. If you're not ready at fucking 33 while being in a longterm relationship then you probably shouldn't be a parent ever.

>>88033083
Her fertility should already be dropping like a rock so no worries there I guess.

>>88033083
>If you're not ready at fucking 33 while being in a longterm relationship

AND MARRIED


>Her fertility should already be dropping like a rock so no worries there I guess.

It declines slower than most people think. Her being able to get pregnant unintentionally at 33 means she'll probably be fertile for a few more years.

>>88033173
>she'll probably be fertile for a few more years.
Diane getting her shit together within a few years? Not likely. She's missed her chance.