Deadpool being funny doesn't excuse him from being

>>87930599
You dont know what mary sue means.
Also it was the punisher who did that which was still bullshit.
Also fuck off.

>>87930599
"Insanity" aside Deadpool is still guilty of murder, theft, assault etc. Plus he's lucid enough to consider options while doing it and to decide not to if he wants.

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>>87930599
>Mary Sue

>Constantly suffering
>Ugly face
>Hated by everyone
>Regarded as mentally ill

Sure he can see through the meta, but he's had enough good story arcs to make him interesting rather than just another unkillable clown waltzing through everywhere.

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>>87930599

You have no idea what your talking about do you

>>87930660

He gets laid quite a lot despite his appearance, is nigh-unbeatable, has more woe-is-me pity-party stories than any other character, and has been shown many times to lord a moral high ground over other heroes.

Deadpool isn't funny though

>>87930753
That falls under most other title heroes, depending on whether the moral ground is on their end or the supporting cast.

Like Wolverine or Spider-Man, a lot of the Marvel cast has gotten laid countless times, usually with the mask on.

>>87930599
>Mary Sue
Did the meaning of this term suddenly change?

>>87931205
It's been "very powerful/important character I don't like" for at least a decade, anon.

I hate when comics are inconsistent. Like I thought the penance stare make you relive all the pain you committed but on the recieving end. Guilt had nothing to do with it. Yeah it OP but ghost rider is supposed to be fighting demons and shit. When the punisher was able to shrug off the stare because "he didnt feel guilty" he still should have felt all the damn gunshot wounds he did. If your a punisher fan it's cool as fuck to have that happen but if you're a ghost rider fan then it's gay as shit

>>87930599
>being able to shrug off penance stare
>impressive

Penance Stare is the most inconsistent jobber power in comics.

>>87930599
He could get some good mileage from Wade being a grossly negligent spouse.

>>87931820
>Like I thought the penance stare make you relive all the pain you committed but on the recieving end
to be fair Deadpool probably wouldn't be too affected by the stare then, he's probably taken worse than he's dished out, overall

>>87931869
Hasn't it both completely crippled Galactus and did absolutely nothing because Galactus is incapable of feeling remorse.

>>87931944
Probably.
Most writers who use Penance Stare don't actually understand it.

>>87931944
Penance stare doesn't work on remorse though.

>>87931963
>Most writers who use Penance Stare don't actually understand it.
why are comic book witers the only writers allowed to be this inconsistent with powers but get flaked on for breaking the silly rules like no smoking or no masturbation.

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Venom is immune to the Penance Stare

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>>87932098

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>>87932117
But wait! Flash's Venom is immune too!

>>87930599
I don't get OPs picture.

I stopped trying to understand how Ghost Rider works back during World War Hulk when he kept powering down because apparently the Hulk's cause was just or some shit.

>deadpool is inmune
>punisher is inmune
>venom is inmune

Is gosth raider the martian manhunter of marvel?
>im going to do my penance stAAAAAAAAA-

>>87932159
That would be Prof X

>>87931820
It becomes more consistent if you think about it for a second. Frank claimed that it was because he didn't feel guilty, but because he doesn't know the details of how the Penance Stare works you can't take what he says on the matter as fact. However, it has been shown that people who are insane (Madcap, Deadpool, Cletus Kasady) are immune to it. So Frank is just crazy and rationalized that it didn't work because he didn't feel guilt.

>>87931820
My understanding was the penance stare only inflicts pain you inflicted upon innocents.

To that end I can't recall Punisher ever harming anyone who didn't deserve it.

Deadpool is different, I'm sure he's harmed innocents before.

>>87932159
But wait!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiwT-mGEzhE

>>87932600
Why do American voice actors suck so much.

>>87932550
Dude Punisher was in fucking Vietnam

>>87932743
To be fair, the entire show sucked just as much as the voice actors.

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>>87930599
Blaze should get on Robbie's level.

The psycho either straight-up eats people's souls or sends them still alive directly to Hell.

>>87933359
hey, the suck-ass voice acting is part of charming

>>87932301
That makes perfect sense, though Marvel writers and most fans won't see it that way

>>87932848
Even in Born he's not shown killing non combatants.

Dude literally did his job and has no remorse for anything he's done since.

>>87932848
t. Kim su Pak

>>87932301
But it's not about guilt. It literally forces you to FEEL THE PAIN that you have inflicted upon others. Writers just forget sometimes.

>>87933500
Did you read what he posted, at all? How the fuck would Frank know how the penance stare worked? He's crazy and was talking shit

>>87932098
I wouldn't call that "immune".

>>87932098
>Brock feels the pain of the stare
>suit protects him (barely) and wigs out
>>87933534
you're right

>>87933500
It only makes you feel pain you inflicted on innocents according to the official description.

"It can only be used to avenge the innocent, and therefore can't affect someone trying to punish the guilty"

Punisher to my knowledge has only ever harmed the guilty so I think he's immune


Another individual immune to the Penance Stare would be Judge Dredd, provided they were to meet considering the universe gap.

>>87933529
Did you not read what he said at all?

Knowing how it works doesn't matter

>>87933576
>reading comprehension

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>Penance
>Not Punishment

There's your problem.

>>87930660
Thread theme.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbTWJTK2oCs

>>87932848
They're all VC when the bombs explode.

>>87930599
I mean... Frank Castle beat Ghost Rider's pansy ass.

>>87932600
>Do you dare face the agony of those you have...slain?

I swear to god Ghost Rider forgot his line right there.

>>87930599
He's good at his job and sucks at literally every other aspect of his life, though. You can say anything about his plot armor, but Mary Sue isn't really the appropriate term here.

>>87934591
Get the fuck outta here, Woolie. That was bullshit written by a shit writer, stop bringing that garbage up.

>>87934806
The voice director was signaling like crazy he can't say "killed" on a cartoon for kids.

>>87934806
It sounds like he doesn't even want to be there

>>87930599
there's a difference between being a Mary Sue and just bad shitty writing

>>87932087
Because nobody can be expected to read thousands of books just for a $100/page job with no benefits

>>87935585
They wouldn't have to if editors did they jobs and kept things consistent.

>>87930599
Another day, another retard misusing Mary Sue.

>>87931820
Problem with the penance stare is that it's just too broken for the crossovers and hero vs hero stuff Marvel loves so much. He can't be allowed to wreck characters that aren't from his own stories, but he keeps showing up and has the ability to do so easily. So then it's just "oh it doesn't work because reasons"

>>87936044
This looks more of a case of "people shouldn't fuck with Ghost Rider" than anything else.

Also, he's still a thinking person, he wouldn't go around Penance Staring other people when he knows it would kill them.

>>87931820
>If your a punisher fan it's cool as fuck to have that happen
No it isn't. If you're the kind of fan who only likes it when their favorite character fucks every other character in the ass, then you don't actually care about that character and would immediately latch on to which ever character was actively fucking everyone in the ass. The worst kind of "fan" imaginable.

Real fans accept a character's flaws and limitations, acknowledge when they can and should lose a conflict, and admire when they find the strength to persevere in spite that.

Only immature, emotionally stunted manchildren want their "favorite" heroes to be invincible and win all the time. Their minds are so inherently boring they can't fathom liking someone who didn't win.

>>87931944
He used it in the old FF cartoon and it worked for two reasons: one, Galactus was literally in the process of starving to death as well as dealing with being poisoned. Two, the cosmic level of suffering Galactus has inflicted made the Penance Stare that much more powerful.

>>87933359
Better than any of the swill Marvel's pushing these days.

>>87936688
Batman's fanbase on suicide watch.

>>87930599
>616 Deadpool constantly jobs to pretty much everyone
>Mary Sue

>>87932133
It's sad seeing Ghost Rider job so much.

>>87933408
I thought it was implied that the people who got Penance Stared were condemned to hell?

>>87934839
Does Woolie actually believe that? Holy shit. Even without the stare GR should be able to just beat the shit outta Frank with super strength plus he's also inhuman levels of durable. Frank logically wouldn't have a chance outside of bullshit writing.

>>87930599
That same issue outright has Blaze tell Deadpool, "If the Rider wanted you dead, you'd be dead."

>>87930599
He isnt funny

>>87930599
"Ghost Rider's Penance Stare didn't work on X" is always the stupidest shit ever.

>>87930633

For the Penance Stare to work, the subject has to have the capacity to feel guilt.

Wade's not the only guy to break the Penance Stare.

>>87930599
then it's a good thing he isn't funny

What does Deadpool's penis look like?

>>87941968
>For the Penance Stare to work, the subject has to have the capacity to feel guilt.
Then why does it work on demons?

>>87930599
>one of his major characteristics is that people hate his guts
>mary sue

Does mary sue just mean "character who succeeds at things that I don't like" now?

>>87941968
No it doesn't. Vengeance threw the Penance Stare back at Danny and it had him punished for something his spirit did in a past life that it didn't even remember. The only reason it doesn't work on 'people without guilt' is because the writers want to wank Frank.

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>>87941968
>>For the Penance Stare to work, the subject has to have the capacity to feel guilt.

>>87942027
Same reason a hammer is made to work on nails, can open nuts, but doesn't work to cut wood

>>87930599
if you think that's bad you should see how badly GR jobbed to the Punisher, fuck not only Blaze jobbed to Frank he also jobbed the fuck out of Zadkiel who is suppose to be one of the most powerful villains in GR's rogues gallery

>>87943005
> he also jobbed the fuck out of Zadkiel who is suppose to be one of the most powerful villains in GR's rogues gallery

Don't forget Blackout who used to taunt Danny about killing his sister and is a half demon getting chained to a wall and had his teeth pulled out by SpOck before crying about never going after Peter or Aunt May.

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>>87932301
You mean except the time it was implicitly shown to work on Madcap. Pick up a fucking comic book.

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>>87930599
It's not like the Marvel has that many blatant Mary Sues. Whenever a new one takes off, the old one gets shit on hard, effectively removing their Sue status. Compare that to DC. How many untouchable pet characters do they have?

>>87933408
its implied the rider (at least for Johnny and Danny) is celestial levels of powerful but as long as the human host is still in control he can't access that power, Blaze briefly got into that power level figthing against Dr. Strange and the Hulk in separated occasion but in the case of Strange Johnny stopped the rider from almost killing Strange, while in the case of the Hulk the rider itself stopped after realizing Hulk anger was against the guilty. Danny was able to tap into it better during Heaven of fire he was able to even create clones of pure hellfire.
So far Robbie seems to not be the same type of rider since his entity is purely infernal and lacks the "fallen angel"aspects all the other riders got after Jason Aaron's run.

>>87941968
I'm surprised more people don't seek Ghost Rider out just to get hit with it, and get their guilt over with all at once.

>>87933464
In Max he kills both a general sent to shut down his FOB and a woman in the process of being raped by one of his men. You can debate the innocence of either of them, but I still think they should both count as far as the PS is concerned.

>>87936296
But that's literally his entire reason for being. He's a spirit of vengeance, he kills bad people and sends them to Hell. The penance stare is his primary weapon in that pursuit, and if he's fighting you, you probably deserve the stare.

>>87943068
I think this also made him obsessed with GR as it was the only time he felt anything.

>>87930599

another psychopath exempt from the penance stare. shocking

>>87939918
This. In their first meeting, Punisher thought GR must be the bad guy because he had a flaming skull. He tried everything he was carrying at the time (and he was prepared to take on a warehouse full of armed guys) and nothing even slowed GR down. He almost broke his fist punching GR. Then they fell through the roof and teamed up against the real villian, Flag Smasher.

>Penance stare doesn't work against Frank AKA Hitler
>WOW HOLY SHIT SO BADASS I CUT MYSELF
>Penance stare doesn't work against a mentally unstable weirdo
>FUCKING REDDIT MARTY STU I'M GOING TO COMPLAIN ON TVTROPES

>>87930599
The Penance Stare isn't a sure fire weapon. It's ALWAYS been like this. It works so long as the angel wants it to. And since the angel saw something pathetic in Wade it didn't do shit. Same with the Punisher. Shit the angel probably AGREED with the Punisher which is why it didn't work.

Now fuck right the fuck off.

>>87943163
>skeleton
>has tits
what?

>>87944377
She's a literal force of nature. She can probably look like whatever the fuck she wants.

If she wants to be a titty skeleton, then she's a fucking titty skeleton.

>>87944492
Hot.

>>87944492
IIRC, she looks like a buff angry dude around Dracula because she really fucking hates him.

>>87930599
>implying ghost rider is not the mary sue
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hx8ob0BAkOs
Anon pls

>>87933574

What about the time he called a tranny "he" and gave her PTSD?

What about that pain?

>>87944662
>Deadpool is innocent
>Galactus is not
WTF?

>>87942821
>The only reason it doesn't work on 'people without guilt' is because the writers want to wank Frank.


Are you sure it wasn't because he's nuts? I mean, if you can kill hundreds of people and not feel guilt as long as you're feeling righteous, Penance Stare is pretty dangerous. You could use it on a religious fanatic mass murderer and not only it wouldn't work, he would feel even more validated by God and woud feed into his complex.

Also, there's no way Frank doesn't feel any guilt about the things he did when he was a soldier. He remembers Vietnam, and never seemed too happy about it.

>>87944732
Yeah, this. WTF? Galactus has extenuating circumstances. Namely: if he doesn't eat worlds the ENTIRE FUCKING UNIVERSE GOES TO SHIT (not to mention his hunger). His hand is entirely forced. Wade? He does that shit for fun.

Fucking Marvel. Those fucking retards.

>>87930660
You can't counter Mary Sue-ism with "but he suffers sooo much!", it just makes him more of a special snowflake, like Butcher from The Boys.

>>87944878

Let's be fair, Ghost Rider used Penance Stare on Galactus in a cartoon. Who knows who wrote that, and if Marvel could have done anything about that slip (if they care). I doubt Galactus would qualify for Penance Stare in comics.

The Penance Stare doesn't even work off of the target's guilt!

It makes the target feel all the pain they've ever dealt to innocent people!

>>87945005
Ok, you're right. I'll put my nerd rage away... THIS TIME.

>>87944888
Suffering unjustly so you can whine about it and get sympathy (or try to convince the readers that you were allowed to do something terrible because you are so SAD and MISUNDERSTOOD and TRAGIC) is one of the very common traits of a classic Sue.

>>87932117
I actually liked 12 gauge full of Hellfire Johnny Blaze.

>>87944276
I think both situations are retarded.

>>87930599

If a character fails, it cannot be a mary sue. He fails often, including his most recent issue, see the last pages of it involving mad cap.

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Choose one.

>>87944804
>>87941968

Pennance stare is supposed to work entirely independent of anything. If you don't feel guilt then it shoves it in for you. The thing was designed for use upon people that don't feel guilt or murderously insane. If you already feel guilty you can go to a church and talk to a priest. Not working on people suitably crazy/insane defeats the very purpose of it existing.

It would be funny if Ghost Rider would be able to use his power through the fourth wall to force shitty writers to experience the pain of the characters they ruined.

>>87945775

You could kill a lion by making it feel the pain of every gazelle it killed?

>>87945814
Ghost Rider could.

>>87945581
For a legitimate comics design, 1
For fuck fantasies, 2

>>87945781

then he would end his existence, wouldnt he?

>>87945581
3. 2 with 3's hood would be a neat design to itself though.

>>87945059
Shut up, Reddit.

>>87945581
3 for sure, the rest are trash.

>>87945581
1 + the flame hair of 2 and 4.

>>87945899

There would always be new writers to keep him alive. He just needs to find a good one.

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>>87930599

Over Powered and plot armor =/= mary sue

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>>87932098
This is how Ghost rider deals with venom

>>87945059
It's never an appropriate time to have nerd rage, let alone whip it out. Loser.

Has penance stare ever worked on someone who wasn't mook tier?

>>87944888
Anon, there's a difference between a character being overpowered and being a Mary Sue. All Mary Sues are overpowered, but not all overpowered characters are Mary Sues. Butcher and Deadpool has a bunch of extremely negative flaws which precludes them from being Mary Sues.

>>87947558
Worked on wolverine, that punisher shit is bullshit due to the fact Ghost rider used it on punisher once before after he killed nick fury.

It'd be nice of Ghost Rider doesn't suck ass in Mahvel 4.

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>>87944377
>filename

>>87943068
the baby is right there, what does he need the motorcycle for?

use the chain!

>>87948219
>Gwen2.0 happens

>>87930599
Ghost Rider also let Morbius off the hook too.

>>87943163
>how many untouchable pet characters do they have

almost all of them

>>87932600
why dont we have voice actors like this anymore
holy shit this is hilarious
>EXPERIENCE THE PAIN..... of eternal souls

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>>87932600
a billion billion extinguised souls, ya'll

>>87932743
galactus is being done by the same voice actors as apocalypse from the 90s x-men cartoon

>>87933464
>doing his job
so, being a foreign invader is somehow honorable? lol so like if china or russia invaded your country, you'd be fine with it? "they're just doing their job"
pic related by the way

>>87951143
in the jla alone,
flash - faster than light AND time, thinks faster than superman and batman combined (still gets hit by bullets and punches)

Wonder woman - strongest woman in the world, and can beat superman since she's magic, has indestructible god armor, and all the powers of the olympic gods

Green lantern - his power is literally everything, limited only by the plot convenience known a "lantern charge"

Batman - impossible gadgets, always right even though he should technically be the "dumbest" one of the group since he's just a normal human, and immune to poison, suffocation, crushing, fractured spines, gunshots, explosions joker venom etc. but remember, he's just a NORMAL HUMAN!

Cyborg - Impossible gadgets plus, being a robot, no matter what he can just fix his broken parts right? It's not like he still has human bit's mixed in!

Superman - Whatever powers he feels like having that issue, but only to be brought out after a majority of people have died.

And moving on to the powers of OP DC villains would take way too long.

>>87951346
doesn't have to be honorable, just has to be the right thing to do.

>>87951432
following orders didn't turn out to be the "right thing to do" at nuremburg, friendo

>mary sue
you mean like every mainstream comic character ever because of inherent plot armor

>>87951516
remind me again what issue frank castle fought in WW2?

and regardless, frank never did anything he wasn't willing to accept the consequences of and ghost riders powers usually only work on people who don't feel remorse for what they've done or believe they're above reproach. but if they're already regretful, ignorant of what they've done, or just can't comprehend that what they've done is wrong, then it doesn't work(usually)

>>87951539
that is not a mary sue and you sound incredibly stupid for saying that.

by that logic, anyone who doesn't die at the end of a movie, or a book is also a mary sue.

>>87951432
> limited only by the plot convenience known a "lantern charge"

The correct answer is "retardation" Anon. The power limit hasn't even really been a thing since Gerard Jones' run. Kyle did away with it and Johns never actually used it except as an excuse for fisticuffs to happen.

>>87939160
>alien that needed to eat sentient life to live
>being capable of feeling remorse for living
Im pretty sure the old reason is that something cant sin if its not sinning, now that venom doesnt need to kill its host idk why it doesnt work.

Seeing this thread, I don't think anybody (even Marvel writers) have a clue of how exactly the Penance Stare works.

>>87953989
This, right here, is precisely why "power to punish evil-doers" is a shit concept in cape comics.
Same goes for Spectre.
>hurr Joker doesn't know right from wrong so I can't punish him with my godlike power

>>87931205
Language evolves. The strict definition changes over time, in another decade what we consider as the 'correct' definition will be wrong.

Kinda sad that the first Nic Cage film got their definition of the Penance Stare down a lot more solidly.

I especially liked how they rationalized Blackheart's defeat through human souls since it ties down Ghost Rider's Penance Stare to only mortals specifically, what with the whole angel/demon lore it has going for it.

>>87952213
Venom never needed to kill it's host. It was considered insane by the rest of it's species because it didn't want to just use/abuse it's hosts to death.

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>>87930660
>Normie's who don't ready any comics except Memepool and act like hes the deepest and saddest Marvel character.

>>87930599
I don't think that's real at all, is it from Thunderbolts? Anyone got the page?

>>87956962
none of them are deep in any way, stop deluding yourself.

a story arc is only as good as the writing and art direction, the characters pathos is as "deep" as the writer/artist is talented. If you put frank miller writing gwenpool with the same artist, it'll still be shit, but it'll be shit with gravitas, if you put squirrel girl's writer into punisher max, it's be garbage that looks pretty.

Any character will have a fluctuating level of quality, deadpool's been written better than batman before, and ant-man was an interesting character at one point. you judge a comic by the arc's not the individual protagonists.

tl;dr you're a faggot and comic books are for kids and manchildren

>>87933476
>>87934541
kek

>>87954021
That comic was ass!

>>87941968
Are you saying Wade doesn't have the capacity to feel guilt?