It's a "writer can't into grade school biology"

>>87928268
this physically hurt me

>>87928268
Will Teen Titans comics be not shit ever again?

>>87928448
>Teen Titans
>shit
Good story, good characters, good art. What the fuck do you want more.

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>taking it literally
AUTISM
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>>87928268
Writer?
Or Eugenic Frankenstein 13 year old?

>>87928564
I love the idea of Damian sucking dick at basic school subjects, because Batman grew into this whole "I know everything at an academic level" character.
>Damian reads the instructions for making instant ramen because Alfred isn't there to make him dinner
>"Boil water...What am I? A chemist? >tt<"

>>87928268
If Damian is not supposed to be ignorant, then the writer really is ignorant.

>>87928498
>dat reading comprehension
If you drop the textbox with the EXPLICIT MENTION OF HOW GENETICS DON'T FUCKING WORK ... then sure.

Saying a bat "chose to fly" or whatever is poetic imagery; saying "genes don't simply change" is not grasping basic biology (random mutation is literally the cornerstone of evolutionary change).

TL;DR: go home, Percy. You're drunk.

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>>87928491
>Good story
Hahahahaha!

>>87928268
You know that's my biggest gripe with comics.

A bunch of dudes who know little writing men who are super geniuses. Sometimes they drop the ball hard or certain super powers and you end up just going "wut".

I remember there was a Marvel Super Villan with the power to "Speed up Evolution" so animals had humanoid forms. He failed to realize Evolution doesn't work towards a goal, nor is there a such thing as "lesser evolved" or "less evolved than" in Evolution. That's not how it works.

>>87928750
Just comics? Whenever average people try to write smart characters it ends up being terrible 9 out of 10 times.

>>87928767
Well I really never paid attention to much outside of comics. Im certain it;s the same with other forms of fiction.

>>87928767
>>87928750
It usually ends in vague descriptions. Like a character explaining, "I use this device to speed up the molecules in liquid, there by turning it into gas". They don't tell you how they do it and don't go far into the sciences of it, which is probably for the best.

>>87928750
The High Evolutionary just liked making his housepets/farm animals/whatever he could find into his waifus, is that so wrong?!

it's a book for teens, it's just supposed to sound cool

>>87928750
>a Marvel Super Villan with the power to "Speed up Evolution"
To be fair: while this is idiotic it's also very VERY common. I remember watching marathon of old black and white episodes of Outer Limits (or maybe Science Fiction Theater) on SciFi Channel (waaay before it was Syfy) and they had one where some dude did more or less the same thing to himself ... so he got taller and weaker and his head got bigger (because clearly we're just following a predestined course and will all be super geniuses who have powerful minds and weak bodies due to having psychic powers and not needing brawn). And, predictably, he ended up getting "devolved" into a Neanderthal (which also wouldn't work EVEN if Evolution did work like a sliding scale ... because that was another branch not a point along the way).

I remember it standing out from the other eps because while they were all 50s/60s golden age science fiction tropes ... that's just not at all how that works.

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>>87928750
click this spoiler to have your jimmies rustled

>>87928915
shit, i forgot to spoil it. oh well

>>87928750
Fucking YES! Try explaining this to your old parents complaining that Dolphins are one day going to just get out of water and kill us. For what purpose does something need to grow hands and feet when it already fills the niche it needs to survive.

>>87928564
No this is Percy we're talking about here, senpai.

In Green Arrow's first arc he had Evil International Bankers called "The Ninth Circle.”

As in "Ninth Circle of Hell."

In Dante's Inferno.

Their members are called The Burned. Because Hell. And they carry
flamethrowers. Because burned.

They're created by the Evil International Bankers by taking homeless people and
LITERALLY SKINNING THEM ALIVE.

This is done on a floating base in the ocean called ... The Inferno.

Percy is about a subtle as a jackhammer enema.

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>>87928750
>be smartest man on Earth
>still be stupid

>>87928989
it was kinda badass though

>>87928797
>Well I really never paid attention to much outside of comics. Im certain it;s the same with other forms of fiction.
Most tv shows that feature a hypercompetent cast member often resort to just having the rest of the cast act like fucking morons.

As an example: in one of the early seasons of The Mentalist I remember he swaggered onto a crime scene and explained to the cops how they could follow a trail of ants that would lead them to the body and I just couldn't keep watching it. How the bloody fuck would police detectives and CSI need some asshole to explain something THAT FUCKING BASIC?

Likewise the first episode of the McGiver reboot had an Encrypted Laptop that a Hacker and Mined with Logic Bombs ... so the hackergirl took a literal hammer to the case and handed the drive to the tech dude (understand, she didn't just break the CASE, which would have been mindless enough, she broke harddrives CASING as well ... exposing the actual platters) and his reaction was: "Oh! Right! Just bypass the encryption!"

JUST!

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>>87928989
>As in "Ninth Circle of Hell."
>In Dante's Inferno.
It's even funnier if you know that the Ninth Circle (Treachery) is ... frozen.

>>87929109
He's right though, Damian never had proper education beyond what he needed for his task.

>>87928915

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Voyager

Damien will never stop being shit.
When will desperate Damien fags realize this?

>>87929190
Nope. this is wrong. He got teachers and was trained both in fighting and more scholastic things

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>>87928952
>>87928750
Centuries of plentiful bio-diversities (including elephants with teeth at the end of their trunks and large sabertooth cats) and some how this piece of shit still managed to pop out of all of it unharmed.

Every time I see a platypus I think of how it looks like it'd be in a biology book as an ancient extinct species.

>>87929256
The platypus is evidence of a lost Aborigine super-civilization that embraced genetic engineering too fully and collapsed back into lithic primitivism.

A venomous mammal that lays eggs? Clearly someone designed that.

>>87929190
>Damian never had proper education
Dude ... he named his fucking dog after Titus Andronicus, ffs!

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>>87929256

>>87928268
Isn't just that Damian being edgy?

>>87929300

>The platypus is evidence of a lost Aborigine super-civilization that embraced genetic engineering too fully and collapsed back into lithic primitivism.

That literally makes too much sense.

It even explains why abbos are so clearly sub-human, their attempts to evolve themselves backfired.

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>>87929224
>>87929234
>>87929251

You're all faggots; all Robins are superior to Damien.
Damien is one of the most poorly written, convoluted and shitty characters ever created in the entire medium.
Your only possible defense for the character is if you're an edgy sperg, spiteful contrarian or are troll, baiting into this sort of response.
In any case, eat Joker's ass.

>>87929388
>Isn't just that Damian being edgy?
He's monologuing in the rain about the evolution of a Bat so... Yeah.

>>87929390
>It even explains why abbos are so clearly sub-human, their attempts to evolve themselves backfired.

>their attempts to evolve themselves backfired.

>>87928750

And it all comes home.

>>87929415
ur mum sucks m8
get fukn shredded m8

>>87929421
Don't feed Damianfag.. They'll be banned again soon anyway.

>>87928989
Sounds like we've found Jason Aaron a playdate!

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>>87929427

>>87929058
>smartest man
>when it's clearly stated he's only the smartest kid

stop your bullshit powerwankery

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>>87928750
Don't bully muh HE :(
Besides that's been his shtick since Kirby created him way back in the 60s, allow some lenience.

>>87929532
He should be the YJ robin, but New52/Lobdell kinda ruined that.

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>>87928750
Also, the Marvel Universe works by very different physical laws to our own. Evolution might as well have a humanoid end goal there, since the Celestials are humanoid and had a hand in just about every sapient races' development. Plus there are all sorts of cosmic/mystic factors to consider on top of that. The last survivor of the previous universe is humanoid, the inhabitants of abstract dimensions parallel to our own are humanoid, the being representing THE TOTALITY OF EXISTENCE is fucking humanoid. As are the guys above even him. Evolution sure as shit has an end goal in the What Ifs; it's so trippy that I have the folder saved under "Thus Spake Zarathustra".
...Come to think of it OP's gripe can probably be explained away to, given enough DC Universe know-how.

>No proper fetish art with Damian
bullshiiiiiiit

>>87929693
>I have the folder saved under "Thus Spake Zarathustra".

Please... share.

>>87928750
>He failed to realize Evolution doesn't work towards a goal, nor is there a such thing as "lesser evolved" or "less evolved than" in Evolution. That's not how it works.

What does any of this mean?

>>87928268
I wish I had the page, but in Johns' Amazo virus arc in JL, he had a "writer can't into 20th century history" episode.
Lex Luthor was speechifying about how diseases are the "silent killer" of mankind that have changed the course of history countless times. One of the examples he gave was that Generalissimo Francisco Franco took power in Spain by taking advantage of a power vacuum created by the Spanish royal family dying to hemophilia. How can you get something so wrong?

>>87929822
>What does any of this mean?
Evolution isn't catered to us, meaning it's not working to make things like us or anything of the sort. We aren't the end all be all of evolution, we're an insignificant product of it.

People tend to think evolution aims at certain changes, when in actuality, these changes just happen due to various environmental factors as well as genetics etc etc. It's not all perfectly mapped out for every species.

With the "lesser evolved", people tend to think we come from things that are less than ourselves when the concept of "lesser evolved" doesn't exist in evolution. Everything is appropriately evolved. You're not "more evolved than" a garden snail. Shit just doesn't stop evolving and there is no hierarchy.

>>87929822
Because things don't just evolve to get "better." They become more suited to their environment and able to breed. That's it. As long as you live long enough to breed, you're succeeding evolutionarily.

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>>87929882
>Tfw I'm an evolutionary failure because I'll never breed

>>87929893
Don't feel too bad, anon. Non-breeding members of society (people without sex drive, homosexuals, individuals castrated by accident or disease, comic book readers) still play into evolutionary biology. Just as the individual worker ants in a colony don't breed but still contribute to the success of the whole, non-breeding people still work, contribute, and care for other members of society - not to mention generating ideas.

Believe it or not, it's appropriate that you posted a meme with what you posted. This is actually where the term "meme" comes from. It's a term for the things passed on from person to person, not by biology, but through knowledge and custom.

You are a part of the whole. Your memes will survive you.

>>87928491
>Good story
Oh you...

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>>87929779
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngXzqMzLVR0

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>>87929950

>>87929929
Oh man, here we goooooo.

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>>87929956

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>>87929929
Should probably have prefaced: the What If in question is "What if the Avengers lost the Evolutionary War?". i.e. High Evolutionary wins, sets off his Evolvotron 5000© and pulls off his magnum opus. Everyone got bumped a step up the ladder (flatscans -> superhumans, superhumans -> "Godlike Ones").
Also I was mistaken. The folder was named [Also Sprach Zarathustra intensifies].

Here's a bonus by Mark "The Absolute Madman" Gruenwald.

>>87930055
Looking kind of jaggedy there, Ben.

>>87930070
He had supes-scabies for a while.

>>87929527
>Damian is THE Robin
He's not going to be Robin forever, anon.

Only Jason and Dick are in good place and manged to find their footing. Tim and Damian on the other hand have some serious problems. Tim has yet to find his own separate identity and the writers do the same thing with Damian over and over again. Not to mention that being Batman's son will only can take him so far and once he loses the Robin mantle, he will be in even worse place than Tim.

Damian has no reason to understand any of that shit though.

Him being a little edgelord about it is an entirely different problem.

>>87929527
>Damian is THE Robin
>this delusion
I don't even dislike him but come on

>>87930273
His grandfather is obsessed with breeding and genetics.

>>87930273
>Damian has no reason to understand any of that shit though.
Him being super educated is kind of his backstory though, isn't there a story where he chews out Wayne executives and mentions he has an economics degree?

>>87930320
It's like Aaron writing his OC.

>>87930320
Yes, he also had dozen of teachers teaching him different stuff

>>87930234
Finally someone said it!

Damian has been pushed as hard as Tim back in the days, but he wasn't able to take off like him. So yeah, he's not really in better place than Tim and could end up in really bad situation in the future.

>>87930234
>>87930350
When Dick grew up DC took the most influential character in his life (outside Batman) to build his new identity around. They did the same thing with Jason, in a way.
Tim never got that. DC tried to make you forget that Tim and Blue Beetle were close the second Dixon left the series, and Ted died and Tim became that shitty Batman Jr. character and when he really needed to gtfo they pulled one of Dick's Alex Ross costume out of storage for him.

Damian has a really obvious character direction once they want him to stop being Robin. He finds a way to reconcile both parts of his heritage and becomes Ibn Al Xu'ffach, working w/ or running the League of Assassins. That would be a fucking amazing book.

>>87930415
>Ibn Al Xu'ffach, working w/ or running the League of Assassins
Make him a villain? Yeah DC will never do that, and that's if they find a way to age him to adulthood without Bruce visibly ageing.

>>87930433
Not a traditional superhero, but not a villain.
The LoA has been around for millennia, it's a force of nature. A decent writer could build a story where Damian is compelled to take over the League and reform it, like Sunspot and A.I.M.

>>87930468
Well, in order for a writer to do that he needs to make the LoA not a villains and ages up Bruce and the Robins which something I don't think DC will agree to do.

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>It's a "magic calculus" episode

>>87930693
Yeah those aren't real complaints or barriers to a decent story. Point is, Damian was created with an alternate path already set up for him and >>87930234 has no imagination. Alternately, DC spent like 13 years making Tim the worst Robin then got shocked when they couldn't figure out what to do with him and now they don't know what to do w/ him.

>>87930415
Fuck off, he already ruined the batfamily forever we don't need him ruining the LoA too

>>87928268
Fucking Lamarck...

>>87930839
>Tim the worst Robin
Tim has the best run as Robin because DC have put a lot of efforts in him to make him work. What the writers missed was developing him beyond being just a Robin which is why he suffering right now.

>Damian was created with an alternate path
He really wasn't. He was created as minor character in alternative universe and Morrison brought him in the main DCU to make him Batman's dead robin and N52 was what saved him for being permanently killed off.

DC in Rebirth wanted Damian to be the face of the new generation like Tim was, but TT not having a great debut and if Super Sons didn't do really well too is going to put Damian in really bad place.

>>87931020
>Damian is batmans son.
The son who he abandoned, and didn't even attend his birthday party he care so little about him?

>>87931006
>http://en.yibada.com
Never mind that, what does RussiaToday have to say on these rumours?

>>87931006
>yibada
See people, this is what 50 cent army from New Super-Man looks like.

>>87931087
>Damian gets all the love now
He will not get much love from DC if he couldn't be able to carry a new generation like Tim was before him.

And yes, I agree that the 90s generation are deadweight and DC needs to let them go.

>>87931006
How are you even able to find these sites, damifan?

>>87928268
god dammit. Damian is lucky that he is cute.

>>87931140
>read about him I feel like he is being pushed down my throat.
See that I don't get, Tim fans main complaint in New 52 was how isolated he was, he was kept in the shitty Titans of Scott Lobdell, his main function in Bat crossovers was as a foil to Jason. He appears in one comic for 2 months in Rebirth and is then "killed" with no other book ever mentioning his death.
How is this forcing a character down your throat?

>>87930995
>Tim has the best run as Robin because DC have put a lot of efforts in him to make him work. What the writers missed was developing him beyond being just a Robin which is why he suffering right now.
The early Tim Drake stories in Batman and Tec and the Dixon run were absolutely incredible. DC has been mismanaging Tim since 2003. His problems started long before he left the Robin role.

>>87931006
>links to an article with random speculation citing random youtubers who make clickbait videos full of random speculation
come on, anon. you know that's all bullshit

>>87931169
Damian lewds when?

>>87928268

Eh, it's not really that triggering if you think about it in metaphorical terms. It's true that animal behaviour drives them into niches that they then get adapted into, over millions of years. The choice of one rodent is meaningless but over millions of years sure why not call it choice?

It's more of a free will discussion, does the Dodo choose to forgo flight? Sure the ones who continued to fly went extinct because they were outcompeted by more efficient flightless kin... it's all metaphorical talk, and a weird thing to get triggered about when, as people have posted clear examples of, comics get evolution so, so wrong so often

>>87931297
>you know that's all bullshit
No. They genuinely don't, Damianfag is one of the more fascinating cases of delusion on /co/.

>>87928268
ug, that even fails if it was metaphorically speaking.

Epigenetics? is that what he's getting at? Go back to russia Damian if you wanna suck Lamark's dick so much

>>87931178
>is then "killed" with no other book ever mentioning his death.
What are you even talking about? Tim's death got a shout-out in Nightwing, and is clearly haunting Batman, Steph, and Beast Boy in 'Tec and Teen Titans. That's already more than Dick got when he 'died' and it's only been a month.

>>87930983
I feel like you've copy-pasted a bit out of a huge post I wrote like a year ago about how DC ruined Tim Drake.

>>87930708
That goes back to Lovecraft, possibly earlier.

To be fair, the Dreams in the Witch House was really good, although that was probably in spite of the pseudo-mathematical mumbo jumbo.

>>87931372
>That's already more than Dick got when he 'died' and it's only been a month
Dick got a book right after the event of his "death" while Tim is currently in limbo for God knows how long.

I'm also really tired of the forced Tim mentions, but I understand why are they doing it and honestly Batman is only really affected in Tec while he pretty much OK everywhere else.

>>87931372
And one mention in RHatO.

Didn't the Damian retrieval arc start pretty soon after Dick died, so everyone got distracted and what >>87931479 said too.

>>87931516
The forced Tim's mentions are done for continuity sake and will probably stop next year.

And beside Stephanie (and maybe beast boy), no one is really that affected by his death.

>>87931479
Dick didn't get a book till six months after his "death" in Forever Evil. His death was acknowledged briefly in Batgirl, that last issue of Nightwing, and literally nowhere else. It had absolutely no ramifications for anyone other than Dick till We are Robin was launched over a year later.

Tim has been dead for a month. It's driving major storylines in two big-name books, one of which is supposedly leading to Rebirth. There's really nothing to complain about.

>>87931574
>two big-name books
Tec and...?

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>>87931557
>no one is really that affected by his death.
Jason couldn't even be bothered to go to the funeral.

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>>87931557
plz at least try to pretend you read comics when you shitpost

>>87929058
Pls explain this comic

>plz at least try to pretend you read comics when you shitpost
I'm not even going to bother to give "you".

Dick is sad that Tim is "dead", but he's not really affected by it the same way Jason isn't.

>>87931617
That doesn't count, that was just the multiverse meeting to suck Dick's cock as the nicest guy in the multiverse. Everyone was there.

>>87931711
God, that issue was seriously awful.

Like how desperate and lonely Dick is to think that Harley, Baz and Constantine are his friends just from having one interaction with them?

And did he even met Supergirl, Beast boy and Raven in N52?

>>87931755
That's Dick's superpower, everyone wants to be his friend the instant they meet him

>>87931592
Tec isn't even being driven by his death.

It's only for current arc because of Stephanie.

>>87931817
They don't even think about him. It's Dick who thinks that they are his friends.

>>87931755
I also don't understand why he thinks that JL are his friends.

>>87931847
>>87931817
Rebirth. Dick's got history w/ the League and the Titans again. Harley, Baz and Constantine are dumb.

>>87931847
They'd have met him at least, they even know Jason. Though given they've known him for about 5 years max and they no longer raised him, I'm not sure about friendship.

>>87931817

So Dick is Luffy?

>>87931881
Raven and BB are part of Tim's generation and I don't think he even met Kara. Also, the JL are his allies not his friends.

>>87931900
They know about Dick, Jason and Damian (I remember Diana not being aware about Tim), but that doesn't mean that they are their friends.

>>87931900
>>87931922
>>87931953
REBIRTH. If Seeley wants to say the New Teen Titans are all buddies again, are you really gonna look a gift horse in the mouth? Same with Dick and the League. This is a good thing. Fuck the New 52.

>>87932118
First editors have to OK it.

>>87931755
That's the problem with Bat office writers. They wants their character to be the same and have the same relationships they used to have in pre-n52 without bothering to take their time to properly to develop their characters and Tynion and Seeley are the worst offenders.

>>87929925
What

>>87929864
>One of the examples he gave was that Generalissimo Francisco Franco took power in Spain by taking advantage of a power vacuum created by the Spanish royal family dying to hemophilia. How can you get something so wrong?

they are still alive. WTF Johns

>>87931755
They weren't even his friend in that issue.

>>87932118
When you idiots will understand that rebirth is still N52 universe?

>>87932242
You do realize you're sharing board with people who think US Avengers variants represent members of new Initiative?

>>87932188
Writers pulling stuff from old times isn't anything new. It certainly didn't start with new 52.

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>>87928895
>that episode of Star Trek TNG when one of the crewmen devolved into a spider

>>87932242
>When you idiots will understand that rebirth is still N52 universe?

modified N52 universe that resembles a lot post crisis

>Creature evolves into ultimate life form

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>>87932441

Whoops, forgot my image.

>>87932188
It's almost as if DC got shit on for years for changing things and did a rejiggering of their titles to placate everyone.

>>87931557
>And beside Stephanie (and maybe beast boy), no one is really that affected by his death
It's funny how true this statement is.

>>87933567
Well, Tim's is Batman least favorite son after all.

>>87933600
I don't Batman see Tim as a son to be honest.

>>87933600
>>87933630
Ironically, Tim Wayne wants to be Bruce's son more than any of the boys Bruce actually sees as his kids.

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>>87933759
Damian was pretty adamant about being a Wayne, Dick never really gave much of a shit, and Jason has a whole different set of father issues.

>>87928268
Its a "how dare them to be not scientifically correct in my superhero comics" thread

Talking about Batman, how is King's run so far? Is the new arc better than the first one?

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>>87933942
you point

>>87928491
>good story
>good replacement for Meyers
>rehashing NTT and cartoon lineup AGAIN is good

What world do you live on?

>>87934014
King is planning to waste 3 arcs (and maybe even more) for his pet character Gotham girl.

The annual that coming out next week seems interesting tho and the Batboys are going to show up next arc.

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>>87928750

Pic is so fucking related for comics

>>87933865
>Dick never really gave much of a shit
Under Wolfman, Dixon, Grayson and in the 80-00s in general Dick most certainly did give a shit
It didn't stop until Morrison came in and wrote them as brothers when the last time that happened was basically the 70s before Wolfman took control of the character
And even then Dick gives a lot of shits about what Bruce thinks of him

>>87934149
Yeah, and he still care about what Bruce thinks of him.

>>87933600
>>87933630
>>87933759
You know, that made thinking.

Does Tim consider to be part of Bruce's family like Dick, Jason and Damian and Duke ?

>>87929169

I thought that was going to be the dudes point.

It's hilarious when people get hung up on this shit after accepting Damians whole deal

>>87934149
Oddly enough he only finally gets adopted towards the end of this time in the early 2000s.

>>87934260
Well...

Alfred is the father figure
Dick is the younger brother.
Jason is the adopted son.
Damian is the biological son.

Tim used to be the cousin, but Duke has taken his place now.

>>87934360
What about Kate? Does Bruce think of her as family?

>>87934260
Bruce literally adopted Tim.

>>87934360
I would say Duke is the ward. He's not a son to Bruce, but I wouldn't call him a cousin either.

>>87934400
Kate his literally his cousin.

>>87934423
Not in the N52.

>>87934432
I know, but he doesn't like the Kanes and refuse to acknowledge them as family.

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>>87929925
You...you seem to understand.

>>87931817
>Everyone wants to fuck Dick into full drooling ahegao the instant they meet him
Fixed.

>>87934471
What's Bruce's problem with them anyway?

>>87931625
Seems to be someone suffering from extreme anxiety. You can see him freaking out as someone passes by, and he is trying to find a way to introduce himself to a black girl down the bottom middle but cannot figure out how.

>>87929068
>Likewise the first episode of the McGiver reboot had an Encrypted Laptop that a Hacker and Mined with Logic Bombs ... so the hackergirl took a literal hammer to the case and handed the drive to the tech dude (understand, she didn't just break the CASE, which would have been mindless enough, she broke harddrives CASING as well ... exposing the actual platters) and his reaction was: "Oh! Right! Just bypass the encryption!"
Anon please tell me this isn't real. I survived cancer but I think you just made me relapse

>>87929381
Funny enough, a bunch of people in Aus push the idea of the Easter Bilby over the Easter Bunny. You can usually find both in chocolate form on the shelves.

>>87929925
This is the best post I have read in months

>>87929925
Bless you.

>>87931006
>thread where Damian says something stupid
>turns into a Tim hate circlejerk with rampant samefag shitposting
every time

>>87928268
The writer was talking about the species as a whole and romanticizing the notion of evolution. Did you seriously think the writer was saying a single bat just decided it wanted to fly one day. This material is clearly above your intellegence level, you must struggle with Shakespeare, he romanticizes everything. It's a concept A LOT of writers use, if you read books that werent comics you would have probably ran into it before.

Sorry for the rant but people who take shit like this literally need to be put down

>>87929527

Tim was the second Robin that people actually liked. Dick was a joke as Robin at worst, and at best he was the little kid's fantasy of "gee golly, what if Batman was my papa?" Until he became Nightwing, Dick was as lame as you get.

Jason carried on that idea but not just little kids were reading comics, so people thought it was incredibly lame.

Tim was the first Robin created to be more than just a sidekick. He was the first Robin with his own solo series and it was really popular. He was the Robin who shaped the legacy of Robin.

Robin is overly serious and a genius? That's from Tim. Robin is the master hacker? That's Tim. Robin favors a bo staff and can fight metas alongside the teen titans or young justice or whatever with smarts and gadgets? Tim.

For the sake of making it easier for new readers, all of the distinct and cool parts of Tim were grafted onto Dick any time there's an adaptation outside of the comics. And since there's so much overlap between non-comics Dick and comics Tim, it seems like Tim doesn't have much identity of his own.

Not true though. Tim is the first Robin that wasn't hated.

>>87935375
>Jason carried on that idea
Say what now?

And was more accepted because a lot fans guilty after the whole voting thing and writers made sure that Tim was likable.

>>87935445
Tim carried his book for a decade. Hypothetical fan guilt about killing Jason wouldn't last that long

This thread was painful to read.

>>87934657
The Kanes are assholes.

>>87928268
How does this book sell anyways? Did catoonfags buy it?

>>87935691
It had a poor debut IIRC.

Damian ain't a draw

>>87935691
Not too well, from what I understand. Not cancellation numbers or anything, just low for a #1 of a well known team.

>>87935691
>11 Teen Titans Rebirth 84,919
>33 Teen Titans 64,963

>>87935771
>>87935768
>>87935747
> it's on par with Blue Beetle's debut
well, that ain't looking good.

>>87935487
>made sure that Tim was likable
And he was ROBIN and DC put a lot of efforts to make him work.

>>87935487
>Hypothetical fan guilt about killing Jason wouldn't last that long
It did because fans weren't preparing themselves to hate him like they did with Jason, Damian and Duke.

This new Teen Titans Rebirth comic needs to be bimonthly.

I am in LOVE with those retarded goofy-looking Naruto OCs who Damian fucking outright says view the Teen Titans as everything they never had that are the new villains. They need to have proper, manga-like, drawn out fight scenes against the Teen Titans yesterday! And the creative team needs to be given time to make that shit happen!

It's seriously so dumb that it falls over into best DC comic territory.

>>87936096
still sold better than Damian ',:^)

>>87934260
Yes, Bruce considers Tim a son like Dick.

>Duke
Now this is shitposting.

>>87928767
i dunno i liked it in worm ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>87936099
Don't think Percy would be able to handle two bimonthly titles desu.

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>>87928750
>Inside every human, there's a dormant animal gene. This will return them to their rightful place in the animal kingdom!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwAPfXuOEbQ

>>87936159
Yes, he does.

>>87936181
Teen Titans debut numbers say differently

>>87936099
>This new Teen Titans Rebirth comic needs to be bimonthly.
No it needs to be cancelled
The entire franchise itself needs to be cancelled

>>87936227
You do, since you seem pretty mad about it

>>87936168
Well then cancel whatever the fuck else he's writing, this Teen Titans Rebirth shit is pure fucking gold!

Mark my words, when this is all over, people will be placing Percy next to the golden age of Wolfman and Perez!

>>87936099
>This new Teen Titans Rebirth comic needs to be bimonthly.
lol so it could go back to monthly after 3 months like cyborg

>>87936235
But muh TTG.

>>87935997
>a book needs to sell half a million copies every month to be a hit
/co/ needs to fuck off with this shit and I hope to god that DC does the same thing

>>87936346
but I thought Damian was a draw :(

a "bunch" of people on /co/ told me so

>>87936350
He actually adopted Jason.

>>87929925
That's bullshit, non-breeding members only contribute to the success of identical copies of their own genes in other individuals, i.e. close relatives.

>>87936387
I'm not going to lie because I did thought he would be a draw despite the fact that I did now he isn't well liked (I don't like him much either).

I actually wonder now how well Super Sons will do.

>>87936402
your fukcing retarded

>>87936200
>Yes, he does
No, he didn't because Tim's parents are alive.

>>87936517
>Batdad
What?

>>87936235
This. The TT franchise needs to freaking die.

>>87935512
>This thread was painful to read.

Pot, meet fucking kettle.

>>87931881
>Harley, Baz and Constantine are dumb.
They were in that last annual issue of Grayson

>>87936099
Nice fucking dubs but this book doesn't sell nearly well enough to be bimonthly.

>>87932300
Nothing was modified except that Wally and PC Superman showed up.

>>87936697
>how desperate and lonely Dick is to think that Harley, Baz and Constantine are his friends just from having one interaction with them?

>>87934360
>Dick is the younger brother.
I wish people would stop saying this. Never has their relationship been portrayed as filial. It's always been father/son.

>>87936316

>Well then cancel whatever the fuck else he's writing, this Teen Titans Rebirth shit is pure fucking gold!

>Mark my words, when this is all over, people will be placing Percy next to the golden age of Wolfman and Perez!

I don't know about that but I'm already liking this better than Wolfman/Perez run on New Teen Titans (that run has not aged fucking well at all desu).

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>>87931260
Tims first red robin solo series was actually really good from what i remember

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>>87936789
>It's always been father/son
....

>>87936802
It was ok. Not horrible or anything, but kind of forgettable aside from a few standout issues.

>>87936789
>>87936789
In the 70s and under morrison and later on they were brothers

Wolfman was the first to really push the father/son angle and even then it was just Dick who thought it since in Donna's wedding issue he had Bruce say he didn't see Dick as a son

And before they 70s they were really neither and mostly had subtext of literally everything, even lovers if you listen to Wertham

and >>87936815 for the pic I was gonna post but somebody beat me to it

>>87932234
>they are still alive. WTF Johns

hardly the point, the place was a republic when the civil war happened

>>87933759
Bruce adopting Tim and DC killing his father were the the first steps they took in destroying his character.

I'm actually glad that they ignored this part in N52 because Tim was never a son to Bruce.

>>87928895
you mean Farscape?

You mean "insert show here" lol

>>87936402
>That's bullshit, non-breeding members only contribute to the success of identical copies of their own genes in other individuals, i.e. close relatives.

humans are all close relatives, google pleistocene population bottlenecks, tl;dr we almost went extinct and now we're all cousins

>>87928268
to play devils advocate...

it didnt just mutate randomly, they would have to be already doing similar things, and then they changed to be better at, through mutations

>>87936789
>. Never has their relationship been portrayed as filial. It's always been father/son.

fraternal is the word you're looking for, filial IS father/son

>>87934360
I don't know why people say Batman is horrible father when he actually took all these boys under his wing.

I mean, He wasn't a father to all of them, but he still gives home.

>>87937010
>Farscape
Thanks for xeno fetishes, Farscape.

>>87930350
>could end up in really bad situation in the future.
Somewhere down the line some jackass is going to get the idea of actually making Damian go back to the Al Ghuls to make room for a new Robin. That jackass won't care about how that would be a slap to the face of every instance of character development he's had but he'll do it all the same.

>>87936457
As someone who likes both characters, I'm skeptical that Super Sons will sell better than this book.

If Damian + a bunch of familiar characters doesn't sell, I don't see how him teaming up with a newer, more obscure character will.

>>87937205
There was actually a plan of replacing him with Duke, but it didn't happen because of Teen Titans.

>>87937433
>>87937538
Seeing how TT underperformed, I think DC might decide to replace him sooner than later.

>>87934141
It's not even like Sherlock is suppose to be some absurd genius either, that's literally the most retarded shit ever.

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>>87928268
They don't teach evolution in all US schools, Anon, what do you expect?

>>87938140
I mean a lot of this shit is Evolution 1101. Shit you learn about as soon as you open any book about it.

Also where in the hell did he read bats CHOSE to grew wings? What the actual fuck?

>>87938004
>>87934141
>>87928750
It doesn't even have anything to do with being smart or being stupid. That Sherlock shit was literally lazy writing.

>>87928750
You my niggest gripe with comics:

The fans and the companies put the writer above the story and the characters; even the wroters are guilty of this. There is zero immersion. Comics are a shitty, limiting medium and have rarely ever been done right.