Redpill me about Cyclops. What makes him so fucking right

It's his secondary mutation

>>87913936
He's not a hairy manlet

>>87913936
>redpill

Die, numale

Go until inferno he was a pathetic character that left his wife and son for another woman after giving his wife zero attention. His obsession with Jean was just bad.

>>87913936
He is the perfect mutant

>>87914073
triggered much ?

>>87913936
Garbage character with an equally garbage toxic fanbase. No different from doomfags or batfags.

>>87914517
>Garbage character
> Cyke
> Batman
> Doom
> GARBAGE CHARACTERS

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>>87913936

>>87914550
Yes, and I stand by it. Garbage characters with an even more detestable fanbase.

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Everything he does is for the protection and betterment of his species. He was groomed since an early age to lead his race.

He's Scott Summers. Mutant. Leader. Pariah.

>>87914620
And then he left his wife for a clone, abandoned his kid because it's the only thing he's good at, and killed his mentor. Not to mention going crazy with the phoenix power and nearly destroying the world . He's a shit character.

>>87914643
>Everyone excuses Jean for the billions of people she kills under the Phoenix's control
>Everyone blames Phoenixclops for killing Professor X
What did Marvel mean by this?

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>>87914643
>And then he left his wife for a clone, abandoned his kid because it's the only thing he's good at, and killed his mentor.
>what is context

Rely less on what /tv/ tells you and pick a comic or two some time OR, pick better examples instead of fishing for (You)s

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>>87914678

>>87914688
Here's your (you)

>>87914678
The difference being that jean never asked for that power.

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>>87914723
Laura is innocent. She din do nuthin wrong.

>>87913953
FPBP

>>87913936
Marvel's incompetence.

Whenever he's involved they just can't help but go full fucking retard. It's like Scott's found some way to reach beyond the forth wall.

>>87914620
But none of that's true.

>>87914854
You're trying to communicate logic to people who are just as bad as batfags.

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>>87914737
Brilliant retort, chap.

>>87914888
I love all the 90's xmen costumes there. Fucking fantastic. Also check those fucking trips.

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>>87914882
Oh wait my bad. I misfired.
None of >>87914643 is true.
>>87914620
Is right. The only thing Cyclops ever did wrong was get hung up on fucking Jean and overlooking best girl.

>>87914922
Nah, you were right the first time.

>>87914922
I'd breed her.

>>87914952
Nah >>87914643 is full of shit.

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>>87914952
No it seems the only one who is in the wrong and throwing ad hominems left and right for some salty reason is you.

Keep at it, you seem to be getting the hang of it.

>>87914915
Something about them innit

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>>87913936
I'm just here to post his best costume
Second best is >>87914888 with the jacket

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>>87914678
PROFESSOR XAVIER IS THE ONLY LIVE THAT MATTERED

Said hairy manlet whose kill count is easily thousands across the globe

>>87915233
Have Cykefags ever actually read what is said here?

Wolverine says "Sure, I have killed thousands of people, but right now these kids need a school where they can be safe and learn to be normal people"

Cyclops literally kidnaps kids and puts them in a bunker.

Wolverine is right on the money here, it's not about Cyclops or about Wolverine, it's about the fucking School and Cyclops walked out on that idea.

>>87915320
>Cyclops literally kidnaps kids and puts them in a bunker
Isn't that what Prof X did? Minus the bunker. He trained child soldiers. Forget about the OG5, he formed the New Mutants.

>>87915347
True, but Sins of the father.

You can't blame Wolverine for that, but you can blame Cyclops for following the exact same route Prof X did when he was the one complaining about it.

>>87915320
>Wolverine is right on the money
Said no one sane, ever

>>87915320
If you want context, then may I remind you that Wolverine picked house that was destroyed like 7 times and some kids saw their comrades die in there as their safe place.

>>87914620
this was taken immediately after Namor fucked her

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>>87915564
Eh, no biggie, Scott's has mentally fucked most X-Women anyway.

>>87914517
Garbage opinion with an equally garbage toxic personality. No different than /pol/tards or sjw.

>>87915320
>Have Cykefags ever actually read what is said here?

Yes, and it's even more ridiculous in context of that entire run.

The school was under constant threat, the students were even forced to get involved at various points; all it did was prove Scott's point.

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>>87915887
I truly do miss the time when Scott and Logan were teammates and respected each other instead of this new age of animosity and dickery between them

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>>87915610
And some not just mentally.

>>87915610
Thanks to 4chan I'll never unsee that yellow on Psylocke's swimsuit as pikachu.

>>87914517
>Characterfags are garbage.
Tell me something new, anon.

>>87916078
>filename
Um.

>>87916078
Did he ever fucked Psylocke or was she the one Psychic that got away?

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>>87915610

How long did this even last?

>>87916963
Oh god what a tease.

>>87916825
In that one book, he mind controls Scott into fucking him, then mind controls Rouge so she feels like she finally gets to fuck someone (even if its a dickgirl psylocke), then she gets captured in Mojoworld and Spiral tentacle fucks her while Mojo films; they broadcast the entire scene and Cyclops is seen jerking off while watching it on TV.

>>87917059
Sounds like a Claremont book alright.

>>87913953
More like his tertiary mutation. Secondary one is extreme spacial awareness.

>>87917059
whoops, I got it wrong. The first book has Psylocke captured in Mojoworld as they make a broadcast while futa Spiral fucks her (they also give her an enema).
The second one has Psylocke catching Scott for a quickie in the danger room and then mind fucking Rouge.

>>87917088
Actually it sounds pretty tame compared to Claremont books.

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>>87917059
>>87917146
>Spiral
Stop giving me boners

>>87916759
Did you know that there are actually 5 major oceans on the earth and not 4? The Indian, Arctic, Atlantic, Pacific, and the Southern.

>>87914502
That's one way to say that the escaped a physically abusive psychic vampire that was fucking his life up.

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>>87914755
As opposed to Scott somehow? Y'all character assassins keep acting like Cyclops hit the "summon a phoenix" button instead of merely getting ready for it to save the day, like it fucking did.

>>87914678

>Everyone excuses Jean for the billions of people she kills under the Phoenix's control

Do they??? Teen Jean hasn't done it yet and original Jean died because of it

>>87915320
>Have cyclops fans ever written a whole bunch of bullshit and read that fanfiction instead of the simple hypocritical bullshit the second biggest mutant hypocrite said?

No anon, we just read the words that were actually on the page. Weird, huh?

>>87915347
Cyke saved every single one of his kids from a bad situation.

>>87915994
and now they're both dead

>>87915994
>respected each other

Dude, you have a funny definition of respect. That hairy midget tried every single day to fuck Scott's wife and stabbed her repeatedly along with every single one of his kids.

>>87915209
Best costume is the current one with the X mask. Second best is the Morrison one

>>87913936
>What makes him so fucking right all the time?

He isn't. He's a piece of shit and deserves to be dragged out back and beaten with a pool cue until his retinas detach.

But it's Marvel, so everyone is a piece of shit that deserves the same or worse.

>>87915320

man you're just making me mad schism wasn't well written.

and Utopia was a school iirc the incident that triggered Schism was an attack on a field trip where Idie had to defend herself

>>87914678
>>Everyone excuses Jean for the billions of people she kills under the Phoenix's control

Retconned since so it wasn't her but the Phoenix power thinking it was Jean.

>>87917730
Pretty much this. His team saved Goldballs from a sentinel attack and Tempus from an all out brawl, just to name a couple.

>>87917801

dude that X mask is garbage.

>>87917290
The southern ocean doesn't exist get fucking raped

>>87917822
It's always amusing to watch nerds fantisize about beating up someone who, if real, wouldn't even need to rely on powers to curb stomp their cheeto dust covered ass.

>>87917884
And then reretconned into them fuzing anyway. She joined with the Phoenix. All that shit is a part of her now. You guys always leave that part out.

>>87914723
>>87914774
He clearly headbutted into her claws.
She is inocent.

>>87917981

Project much?

>>87918106
I'm not the one writing fanfic that they're beating up a comic character.

>and after I sheath my Japanese forged cue all the X ladies asked me to prom.

>But I tipped my not a fedora and left them wanting more.

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>this costume will never be unlockable for cyke in any X-Men game

>>87918195
>that outfit will never be unlockable for Emma in any X-men game

Them wanting to portray him as a villain but none of the people who actually write him ever pull the trigger thus making everyone but him look like a blithering retard

>>87914073
I dislike the redpill meme too, but 'numales' are the ones that usually complain about it and shit associated with the right wing.

>>87919718
The funny thing us that there's a whole lot of fans who decided to buy into the Scott is Hitler thing anyway. What frigging sheep, huh?

>>87919818
A lot of people will just listen to what's being said and agree with it rather than just taking note of whats actually happening and drawing their own conclusions.

It's the same as with Kenny in the Walking Dead game, if you've ever played that. Every other character in the game describes him as an unhinged monster but all he ever does is help his own group.

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>>87915994

>Do something to infuriate fans
>Fan get angry
>X-men getting more talk and exposure than they have for years
>Books start selling as fans hope Marvel fixes their mistakes
>Only anger fans more and repeat cycle

It actually works guys. Inhumans vs X-men will win 2017 sales charts.

>>87919818
They bought into it because we still didn't have any sort of explanation other than hints of him attacking inhumans (not just the cloud). Now that death of X is done more and more will just start screaming that even fake Cyclops projected by Emma was right.

>>87915994
Heh, he looks like Gazerbeam here.
>Inb4 who do you think Gazerbeam was based off of?
I know that, but he REALLY resembles him here.

This shit has made me want an X-Men reread.

What's the difference between original Uncanny and the reprinted Classic X-Men series?

>>87920273
Oh wait Uncanny isn't Classic X-Men.

>>87914502
>hear the love of his life is alive again
>goes to investigate it like any normal person would
>Maddy had been acting like a cunt anyway, hit him, etc.
>Never intended to hook up with Jean
>Maddy just fucking left

Cyclops isn't blameless but the marriage was breaking down anyway. I mean yes, X-Factor is dumb, ruined Maddy and did a lot of damage to Cyke but still.

>>87914643
>abandoned his kid because it's the only thing he's good at
Scott and Jean raised Nate in the future you idiot. Also, Cable seems to hold no ill will about any of that and greatly respects his father.

>>87920019
Iirc UXM is currently the best selling X-book, and it's at the lowest point it has ever been since the early 70s.

It's not working.

>>87920446
Dude, I love Scott, but he was a horrible husband.
The very first scene of him living married life up in Alaska was of Maddie complaining about how he was avoiding her all day long by chopping firewood nonstop.
And that was exactly what he was doing.
And FYI: he ran off at the first call from the X-Men before he ever found out that Jean came back to life. He wanted out of there that badly.

>>87920833
He was restless. He was born to lead the X-Men. How do you expect him to just retire to some cabin in Alaska and race sled dogs when there's mutant injustice afoot?

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>>87920479
You're forgetting about Nate's unique personal view regarding things: all that time travel makes these relationships of his all take on a historical perspective.
Cable respects Scott for being a great historical figure. It's like you being the child of George Washington but living here in the modern day, "dad" is more myth than man.
So Scott's entire life has always been viewed in 20/20 hindsight by Cable, there's not many surprises unless something goes very wrong with history. Every scandal and false accusation that you or I would fret over is understood by Nate to be only a passing thing in historical context.
And then there's the soldier thing, living through combat skews a persona's mindset forever. Cable cares about objectives and missions and compatriots, his whole life is goal oriented and he has that in common with Scott.
Then there's the whole future culture perspective: he looks at the crap modern age people are doing and to him it's about as sensible as the Salem Witch Trials. It's kinda amazing that he's never needed to explain things to Cyke as you would to a child.
Actually having had a loving family experience in his childhood doesn't make that much a difference in his opinion of Scott compared to all that.

>>87920833
>>87921158

that was editorial bullshit because of nostalgiafags wanting the o5 together

>>87921300
You read comics long enough and you'll come to realize that some of the most significant character moments are created from retconned happenstance.

>>87914755
Neither did Scott. He only ended up with the Phoenix because of Tony "I fuck up every time" Stark.

>>87915320
Watch Cuckfags go into denial.
Wolverine was right and at least didn't die by going inside a fart chamber.

Cyclops only made everything worse. Xavier had the right ideals but he was too much of a psycho cunt to make then work.

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>>87921827

>"Xavier had the right ideas..." ???

Ideas like "kidnap kids and put them in an intentionally dangerous room" ?

>>87921936

he didn't kidnap them, everyone's parents knew where they were.

Except Scott cause he's an orphan

>>87921936
Fucking the redhead and joining the i keked Cyclops club.

>>87915320
>Kidnaps

Lolno. He gave them all the option to come with him or go to the JGS.

>>87921827
>Atleast he didnt going into a fart chamber

Nope. Instead he suffocated trying to become a living statue.

>>87921959
... and Hank because for some reason his parents forgot they ever had a son.

... and Bobby because his parents forgot all about their son being a mutant, or for that matter helping him keep it secret from their neighbors, or that lynch mob that nearly killed Bobby when the truth came out, or the fact that Bobby's dad didn't hold any bigoted feelings toward mutants.

(at least Warren got to keep his *rich* parents, who he would one day inherit from and thus generously fund the X-Men.)

>>87922183

>... and Hank because for some reason his parents forgot they ever had a son.

you mean Stan Lee

i had totally forgotten about "Have you tried....not being a mutant?"

>>87917691
See Jean's entire history post DP saga where literally no one gives a fuck about it and she's a free woman

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>>87922088

That's the story and we're sticking to it!

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>>87922202
No dude, it's early canon that Professor X erased the memory of Beast from his parent's minds, of course ... this was ENTIRELY Hank's idea...

And if you thought Movie Bobby's family was (uh...) "specie-ist" (?) ... "mutiphobe" (?) ... well anyway, the comics version was much worse when Bobby "came out" to his family.

>>87921827
V U L C A N
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Professor Keksfags btfo.

>>87921827
>Cyclops only made everything worse.

As opposed to the mark Wolverine left on the world. Scars on people who did not deserve them, killed heroes and a bunch of dead children.

>>87920833
>he was a horrible husband.

He was married to a physically abusive psychic vampire. If he's going to fail at something, it might as well be a trap that pretended to be a marriage.

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>>87923467
So you think that was a trap marriage?

I think Maddie actually cared for Scott.
After all, when everything went to s#*t she seemed really hurt and betrayed, remember that every time she says she never loved him she knows that hurts him, that's just her getting back at him.
And she's never let go of her jealousy over Jean, not just for her being the original, or being just a pawn in someone's sick mindgames about Jean, but also because Scott never loved her as much as Jean - it's mentioned in every Madelyne appearance, maddie's really resentful about it.
She even stalked Emma in the San-Fran era, tell me that's not jealousy.

>>87919798
>>87914073

>Using chanspeak is now considered a meme

you'll fags are going to get mad for people calling you fags soon

>>87924304
Nah 4chan is alt-right forever.

>>87924304
The redpill predates 4chinz, kiddo.

And it totally is a meme, unless you're one of those chucklefucks that likes to ignore definitions.

>>87924204
>I think Maddie actually cared for Scott.

Doesn't matter. It's canon that she was sabotaging his entire life.

But lets put that aside. Marriages fail every single day. Everyone knows someone who has had a divorce. The only time people bring that shit up is when they literally have nothing else to work with but really want to trash someone. Usually a politician.

He just wasn't that in to her on some level. That doesn't make him a bad person, it makes him a dude who got suckered into a rebound relationship that didn't work out. A rebound relationship, which everyone knows was tailor made for him by a supervillain, by the way. That's not a character flaw. That was a trap.

>>87924304
>you'll fags are going to get mad for people calling you fags soon

I love how they get mad at one meme word and immediately use another meme word to vent their frustrations. They're barely people anymore. Someone hollowed them out and replaced whatever passed for discourse in them with a bunch of meaningless buzzwords.

>>87924554
>tfw Sinister-senpai will never notice you
>>87924589
>>87924304
>t. faggots

>>87924652
>>t. faggots

See:

>>87924589
>Someone hollowed them out and replaced whatever passed for discourse in them with a bunch of meaningless buzzwords.

Sorry about your brain Holmes.

>>87924700
>faggot
>using chanspeak is "meme" buzzwords now
So bluepilled faggot, then?

>>87918130
God bless Muh Phoenix.

As we can all see, this poor lad is at stage 8 of the disease. He's so far gone that he doesn't even recognize that every other word that dribbled from his fingers are completely meaningless outside his little festering corner of hell. Observe:

>>87924766
>So bluepilled faggot, then?

Truly a horrible affliction. Wouldn't you agree?

>>87917778
I take it you haven't any X-books from 2005 to 2011.

>>87924952
>I take it you haven't any X-books from 2005 to 2011.

So you're going to tell us all about all the times Logan didn't spend a decent portion of his day trying to fuck another man's wife or kill kids, his or otherwise, huh?

If so, it's obvious that you only read the parts of comics that you liked. Those parts probably involved people getting stabbed, unless I miss my mark.

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>>87925008
Hey Bub, I'm gunna stab yur wife ... with my penis.

>>87925303
>Hey Bub, I'm gunna stab yur wife ... with my penis.

That's mad respect according to /co/. lol jesus.

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>>87925303

>>87925008
A lot of those people getting stabbed on Cyke's recommendation.

They both grew up a lot after Decimation, well Logan was still a manlet.

They were an efficient team. Logan started getting this weird moralfag affliction though, and was like I must kill people so other people can be free of guilt--this spinning out of him killing his kids (a side-effect of stabbity stabbing too many people across years), and the whole weight of his and Warren's X-Force. I totally get where he was coming from not wanting children to be used in combat, a flip on his prior stances. Actually, it sort of invokes, for me, a perversion of Peter's whole 'No One Dies' bit.

Scott was right in his vision, and Wolverine was his trusted right hand all through Second Coming. They both worked to protect their own, but Logan got hit by a weird combo of the weight of years and some (more) tragic shit.

The Schism shit was silly cause Scott and Logan really could've taken the Sentinel without the kids if Logan didn't have his fit, but it was just a weird timing thing and all those pent up emotions that each of them had supressed for a long time just hit. Perfect storm kinda shit. I think there was a since of complacency among the whole of the X-Men after Hope got back, and their unity just sorta fizzled once things looked brighter for the first time in forever.

>tl;dr
Impending doom made two people put their contentious history aside and pave a new frontier, but when that threat was ended, their self-righteous tendencies, bolstered by their successes, got the better of each of them. Also, Beast was wrong.

>>87925008
1. I'm not the first anon you responded to.
2. No one ever implied this was the status quo for the majority of the two character's history, just that it was for a specific period of time.

I will say that this didn't happen during the specific period of time, 2005 (maybe 2004, whenever Whedon's Astonishing X-men started) to Schism, which was published in 2011.

Huh, look how that works out. Exactly what I said.

>>87925386
>anyone but Namor fucking you are waifu
>worthy of respect
>/co/

Try /tv/ for wholesale cuckoldry.

>>87925589
>A lot of those people getting stabbed on Cyke's recommendation.

And? If you have a lot of problems that need to be stabbed you use the guy who stabs everything. There's never been a period of "respect" between these two men unless you radically change the meaning of the word to include trying to fuck the other person's wife and stabbing every child they ever had multiple times.

I don't buy into this revisionist history that portrays these two guys as good buddies. It was bullshit tacked on to a lifetime's worth of one doing his level best to ruin the life of the other.

Cyclops should have dropped Logan decades ago. The only conceivable reason he would not is because editorial infetterance like you get scanning snickers bars.

>>87925593
>it was for a specific period of time.

And it was bullshit. You constantly hear of this supposed period of mutual respect and admiration but Logan never stopped doing these things.

That's not fucking respect. That's one guy letting the other's continual backstabbing (oft-times literal back stabbing) go without rebuke.

>>87925783
>still hung up on the wife fucking shit
Cyclops wasn't married at the time.

There was no retcon either. Shit hit the fan, the two of them grew up and protected their people together with a great working relationship, then lapsed back into their old roles once there was considerably less danger threatening mutantkind.

Just admit it, you didn't read any of the mid aughties X-stories.

>>87925891
>Cyclops wasn't married at the time.

Oh, so it's more respectful when you're trying to fuck someone's girlfriend. I see. Hey, anon, I think you're a great guy. How about you send that woman of yours over so I can show you how much respect I have for you?

>>87925891
>Just admit it, you didn't read any of the mid aughties X-stories.

And yeah, as a huge Cyclops fan I skipped over all that time when he was running around being king shit. Pro-tip: just cause you guys don't know what respect is doesn't mean people haven't read comics.

Logan never respected Scott. If he had he'd have kept his frigging claws and hands to himself entirely more often than he did. Only a complete bitch thinks that someone can respect you and try to stick things inside you and the people you love.

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>>87925589

>They both grew up a lot after decimation...

Horsehockey! Logan's 200+ years old, and he had just gotten all his memories back on M-day (thanks, Wanda), he was as grown up as he was ever going to be right then and there.
And Scott didn't grow up during the events either, he had abandoned the long-held moral code that made Cyclops the uptight superhero he was before. That's not growing up, that's Scott embracing his worst impulses. And it was right away too, right away in Messiah Complex he was putting out kill orders. Hell, Scott was arguing for killing in House of M.
That was the new status quo, and it pretty much held as was until Schism, Logan didn't have any problem with Scott handing out X-Force wetworks assignments, he praised Scott for his cold-blooded calls made during that vampire invasion, he even agreed with all those ugly sacrifices to get Hope home safely, he and Scott were one the same page all along.
The Schism thing was about teaching kids to be as ruthless as them, it's just hypocrisy that Logan won't condemn another generation to live by the moral code both he and Scott followed Right from the beginning.

>>87926306
>Logan won't condemn another generation to live by the moral code both he and Scott followed Right from the beginning.

By precluding them from training and fighting for themselves he was making them weaker individually against a world that desperately wants them dead.

Idie, his little pet project? She got a brick to the face in just last Wednesdays's issue. Had it not been for Scott's getting those kids training and telling them they have the right to use it she'd have died in that museum years ago, and the mutant she saved yesterday would have likely died alone.

Hell, she'd have died at the hands of humans herself in this last issue had she not the training to take on a group of slightly armed men.

Current events prove Cyclops even more right every single day.

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>>87925982
Logan never tried to bone Emma.

Also, daily reminder that Scott cheated on his wife, Jean never gave in to Logan's advances.

>I didn't read, but I'll speak as an authority
Hahaha, that's not how it works, Morrisonbabby.

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>>87925891
>Cyclops wasn't married at the time.

He actually was married at that time, just because the ceremony took place in an alternate reality created by an insane Scarlet Witch, doesn't mean that it didn't happen.

>>87920273

Classic reprints Uncanny 94 onward but has new backups by Claremont that take place at the same time. They're pretty great

>>87922439

Professor X is a monster

>>87926394
Hold on, it's going to take me a while to find my canonical pic of Jean giving in to Logan's advances...

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>>87926459
Not any more.

>>87926394
>Logan never tried to bone Emma.

So Logan respectfully only tried to fuck half of the people Scott had a relationship with. That's some real fine respect there.

>Jean never gave in to Logan's advances.

This isn't about Jean, this is about how much Logan "respects" Scott. By respecting his ladies with his dick and his children with stabs.

>No, silly. For a while there Logan wasn't actively trying to stick his dick where Scott was, and by refraining he was showing his deep and abiding respect. lol

I hope you guys don't treat your friends with this kind of respect.

>>87926519

Scott was right
X

>>87926306
I don't think you're arguing with me in the way you think you are. I agree completely with what you're saying, and I was trying to convey that. Logan got his past, and accordingly was able to "grow." Scott was primed for the position and he embraced it to do what had to be done. They were, as mentioned, an efficient team as they both had a common goal: Protecting mutants until "hope" was back on the horizon, and they did it. Once a literal Hope returned, the focus frayed. They were in (mostly) lockstep for years though, yes.

Maybe you got the posts you were replying to mixed up?

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>>87926477

Which one. That chick was always being respected by Logan's deep and abiding friendship for Scott Summers.

>>87926477
They kissed. Scott kissed an AU Storm while committed to Emma. There's a difference between boning.
>>87926523
>Scott has only had a relationship with two people
Time to stop posting.

Also, Namor brainfucked Emma out of respect.

>>87926631
>There's a difference between boning.

Where's the canonical difference in how much respect it takes to kiss another dude's wife though?

>Time to stop posting.

Gee, sorry I didn't make a quick run down of every single relationship he had when talking about the ones Logan tried to show his respect through.

>>87913936
Because unlike Storm, he isn't willing to settle for being the InHuman's house mutant while his species goes extinct.

>>87926678
Where's the canononical respect in disrespecting your own wife?
They were both in the wrong. Logan, moreso. They grew up and got over it and did respect each other for a time before the old passions resurfaced.

And face it, anon, you don't even realize Scott had other relationships because the only book you read was NXM, and maybe Astonishing. You are probably one of those people that continues to *like* Cyke simply for the magnetism of the rightclops memes.

>>87926550
I suffer from "characterfag", and as such the mere mention of character development I know to be false (or in this case phrasing that can be understood to say such) triggers these responses.
It is my burden to bear, I'm sorry if I've involved you in it needlessly.

>>87926895
Fair enough. I thought my post was more disparaging of Wolverine, but it's possible I didn't jerk off Cyclops enough.

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>>87926834
Yeah, disrespecting one's own wife...
THAT'S JUST LOW.
Logan would never do anything like that...
We all know how much Logan's a one-true-love kinda guy.

>>87926834
>Where's the canononical respect in disrespecting your own wife?

Again, you keep bringing in other people. This is about Logan and his supposed great respect and admiration for Scott. It's not fucking there.

>you don't even realize Scott had other relationships

Frigging yawn, as completely expected a /co/ guy when completely failing to make his point tried to impugn the other guy's reading history. I'm not going through the (not-so) great history of people Scott Summers boned because it's completely tertiary to the subject at hand. That being the argument that you keep failing to make, that Logan "respects" Scott Summers.

You've got nothing and you know it.

>>87926997
Oh, no-no-no, I was disparaging the hell outa that little Canadian rodent. No mistake.

>>87927028
I already told you kiddo, the period of time between Decimation and Schism. Just because it's not part of your headcanon doesn't make it any less true that they shared a mutual respect. Try reading the books instead of claiming things didn't happen because you refuse to read them.

>>87927028
Read this post >>87926306

>>87914643
The issue is, we're told that he is this over and over again, but after nearly a decade of completely horseshit writers who can't write conflicts without turning one side into utter asshats to instigate them and handle plot lines with all the finesse of an apoplectic cripple he actually ends up seeming relatively sane because so many writers genuinely have no idea how to actually write.

We're TOLD verbally that he's nascent Hitler, but they SHOW him as a hard-edged guy who has increasingly less patience with the unmanageable soap opera fucktards he is forced to deal with.

So basically he looks good because since the mid/late-00's Marvel has had a series of totally incompetent authors and short-changed potential on X-Books.

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>>87927114
They had mutual respect at various points throughout their history, it's just that Logan has always had memory issues and so would promptly forget to keep up his end of that respect.

... that's our Logan!

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>>87927326

R. E. S. ... P. C. T.
find-out-what-it-means-to-meeee...
RESPECT!
Just-a-liiiittle-it...
RESPECT!

>>87925982
>How about you send that woman of yours over

>anon
>in a relationship with a woman that isn't digital
ahahahaha

>>87927326
Sure, but according to the other anon, that doesn't count because Logan was trying to bang Jean intermittently.

>>87927389
Fuck off, ESL.

>>87913936
Ten years of writers telling us he's a villain but actually failing to show that and making literally everyone else around him act like a dithering idiot and proving his point again and again because they weren't clever enough to notice context or intelligent enough to see how they contradicted themselves.

>>87927417
That inconsistency is a failing of Logan's civility, not an indicator of insincerity.
Remember that he's running on heightened mutant animal instincts.
The furry little (literal) bastard has no self control.

>>87917146
Is that actually what happened? I need an issue number quickly.

>>87927540
That used to be Spiderman's lot in life.
Are you saying all those years of Spidey being vilified for his efforts was just poor writing by Marvel goons who didn't know what they were doing?

>>87927114
>Just because it's not part of your headcanon

lol, yeah, you keep treating the occasional stabbing incident and attempted murder of family members and years of attempted wife fucking as a real deep respectful friendship.

You're accusing me of head-canon, but you're got head-definitions. Respect to you means stabbing a man and his kids. Your friends must be very few and very retarded.

>>87927562
>That inconsistency is a failing of Logan's civility, not an indicator of insincerity.

lol, you guys wouldn't know respect if you caught it in bed fucking your mother.

>Nah, son. Respect here really looks up to your dad. His shoving his cock into me, your mother, is just something that's a seperate issue.

>Oh, and respect here stabbed your dog. But he really does like you.

>really.

>>87927670
No, because Spidey was vilified in-universe and out of universe none of the writers thought or attempted to claim he was a villain.
In this case, we were told by several authors over and over that he was getting more villainous and the only consistent thing about any of their writing (aside from their lack of talent) is that whatever they THOUGHT they were doing they just ended up making Cyke look correct.

They would literally within issues of each other have characters exclaim that he has gotten too extreme and dangerous that he feels the need to train kids in combat and then immediately a group of heavily armed psychos would attack the school on the absolute flimsiest of pretenses and threaten the lives of kids anyway, proving Cyclops right even as other characters said he was wrong.

The issue is that whatever was said in-universe never seemed to link up with whatever asshat wrote anything at all out of it.

>>87927821

You doing ok man?

>>87927771
They moved past it in the face of greater adversity.

>glossing over the fact that Cyke himself set Logan loose to neutralize Cable (Scott's only real timeline kid) by any means necessary.
Oh right, you don't read comics.

>>87927874
>You doing ok man?

Why, cause I disagree with you guys that respecting another person means you get to do whatever in the fuck you want to him and his entire family?

Logan was never Scott's friend. Friends don't do the things Logan did to Scott. Full stop. There's no two ways about this. They worked together but Logan doesn't know what either respect nor honor are and if he were ever in the same room with either he'd probably try to fuck one and stab the other.

>>87927825
Well thar's yur problem!
You've been too damned busy following twitter feeds, 'chan memes, and reading bullshit interviews to pay attention to the actual stories on the comic page.
What's been happening in the books doesn't depend upon the gaffs someone trolling a con auditorium makes, those rumors and innuendoes don't trump what's been published no matter how often it's repeated.

>>87927990
Did he? That doesn't seem like something Scott Summers would do.

>>87928046
Unfortunately what I said follows in the comic too, again due to horseshit writing.
Bottom line, the X-Men have been awful for so long that fans are like an abused housewife; they're convinced that tolerable at best is actually good because so much of their recent experiences are worse then that.

>>87927990
>They moved past it in the face of greater adversity.

Y'all dudes are delusional. What you call respect most people call complete back stabbing treachery.

Also: Scott moved on. Logan just slowed down his treachery. he never stopped completely.

>glossing over the fact that Cyke himself set Logan loose to neutralize Cable

And that one stabbing excuses Logan stabbing his ex wife numerous times, his daughter numerous times and himself numerous times. It also gives him a pass for plotting the murder of his son's adopted daughter.

...because those stabbings were done out of a deep and abiding respect somehow.

>>87928046
Oh good this guy is back. Fuck off, no one is buying your revisionist bullshit that Cyclops wasn't being built up as a villain by Marvel.

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>>87928026
>Logan doesn't know honor
Wew lad.

>>87928074
>That doesn't seem like something Scott Summers would do.

Scott Summers will do anything it takes. But that dude thinks the one time Cyke allowed a child stabbing absolves all the other times Logan tried to kill a Summers.

Oh, and he tossed in the usual "I'm losing the argument"

>You d-don't read comics.

Any time some /co/ dude hits that button you know they're losing the argument.

>>87928087
WOW.
Literally simply told you to just read the comics.

the response:
>Fuck off with your revisionist bullshit!!!

>>87928093
>/co/ guy thinks that looking pensive and carrying a sword is honor.

WEW

>>87928093
Well, he DOES see himself as a disgraced Ronin.

>>87928133
You're the same fucking guy from the last few Cyclops threads. Quit peddling this bullshit that we are somehow responsible for the "Cyclops is mutant hitler" idea that Marvel has been pushing for.

>>87928074
Messiah CompleX. His thought was Cable could take care of himself, and it probably wouldn't come to *it* before they got a new solution.
>>87928078
They did move past it. It's canon. Accept it. They had mutual respect. Friendship or not, there was a sustained period of mutual respect.

Jean literally asked for it.

Rachel isn't even this Scott's daughter, and she did go a little nuts in at least one future.

>>87928113
>you don't read comics.
Anon, you admitted that you didn't read these runs in question. Right here >>87926122.

>>87928150
>Well, he DOES see himself as a disgraced Ronin.

Wait, a person can carry a finely forged japanese Katana and not have, as the samurai say "honor-u"? But what if they wear one of those kimonos? Then surely they'd be full of honor-u then.

Hold on. I know. What if he starts speaking in Japanese?

>>87928113
Cyke NEVER ok'd the killing of a child. Are you stupid or something? He sent X-Force after an adult Cable to retrieve a child from Nathan, and hopefully keep it safe.

>>87928178
>It's canon. Accept it.

And it's canon that Logan doesn't even know what respect is. Accept that. lol, You people have such low standards for respect it's kind of sad.

>They had mutual respect.

Again: tell me where in the dictionary you can find a definition of mutual respect that leaves room for trying to fuck another man's wife. Tell me where mutual respect leaves room for attempting to murder someone's grand-daughter.

Better yet, just learn what respect actuially is.

>>87928279
>Are you stupid or something? He sent X-Force after an adult Cable

You don't send your kill squad after someone who you aren't willing to kill. Are you retarded or something?

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>>87928337

Whaaaaaat?
He wanted to kill his own little baby boy? ? ? ?
That doesn't sound Right!

>>87928324
>canon that Logan doesn't know respect
Issue and page?
He stopped trying to fuck Jean. She was also, dead, but he wasn't trying to.
>threatening Hope in AvX
This was after the point in time that they were on good terms. He did point his claws at her during Second Comic (which you didn't read), but that was right after losing his best friend, and a handful of other people while fighting tooth and nail to protect her and bring her back to Utopia.

>>87928419
>He wanted to kill his own little baby boy?

Scott always put his own personal interests behind Mutant kind. That's why he was the leader they needed. It's not about what he wanted, it was about what mutants needed.

>>87928419
Retroactive abortion is murder!

>>87928429
>Issue and page?

X-men, every issue he has ever been in for the last 40 years. There's images in this thread that back that up. Name someone he hasn't back-stabbed and I'd be surprised.

Not that you had some proof, of course, but instead that you'd be so deluded to imagine there was one.

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>>87928462
Such might be true, but that doesn't mean the Scott that made that call was the same Scott Summers we're thinking of.
There's no way in Hell the guy who had a nervous breakdown over Thunderbird dying could be coldblooded enough to do that.

>>87928429
>which you didn't read

There's nothing sadder than watching you /co/ boys persist in your:

>you don't read comics

delusions whenever you run out of arguments. It's funny how there's so many of you and you all act the exact same way every single day on here.

Do you guys come out of a factory somewhere?

>>87928513
>name someone
Kurt or AoA Jean for starters.
>I'd be surprised
We know, you would be. You're a wiki surfing casual.
>>87928581
>it actually happened
>not really because muh headcanon!

>>87924554
>Doesn't matter. It's canon that she was sabotaging his entire life.
But that isn't how that marriage originally started with the writers correct? It was supposed to be some sort of happy ending end off for Scott?

>>87928581
>that doesn't mean the Scott that made that call was the same Scott Summers

Yes it was. Scott changed and I loved every minute of it. I'll never understand the type that wants to keep their characters in a vacuum tube.

Look at DC fans. Every single week they have a full on "not muh" meltdown. It's frigging cancer.

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>>87928429
Uncanny X-Men issue #394, page 22.

>>87928608
>you /co/ boys
Are you not one of us by association?
>>87928635
>comics
>invoking Death of the Author
Get a loada this guy.

>>87928669
They were dead.
>Til death do us part.

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>>87928628
>Kurt or AoA Jean for starters.

Allright, let me move those goalposts I forgot to put up: someone he wasn't trying to fuck.

>>87928628
>You're a wiki surfing casua

>>87928429
>which you didn't read

As I said, you guys might as well be from a factory.

>>87928740
That's not a legit excuse with Jean.
And FYI: they seem pretty lively there.

>>87928635
>But that isn't how that marriage originally started with the writers correct?

I know some guys like to pretend that some things don't count, but retcons count. It doesn't matter what the original plan was nor what might have been said about a situation at one point if some other information came out later and undid that shit.

That's just how comic book continuity works.

>>87928670
>Are you not one of us by association?

You guys are entirely too cliquish and you all act the same way about certain things. I may be posting here, but I'm out group. Obviously.

>If you actually read comic's thread you'd know this.

>>87928670
>Get a loada this guy.

Death of the author works across all mediums.

>>87928745
Well he never tried to fuck the Elf (outside of your headcanon), but easy then, Peter Parker.

>>87928885
You say this but he did once try to get a Bamf drunk in order to ride it.

>>87928812
Jean said they were dead mere panels before, regardless of how lively they look.

>>87928926
Kurt is pure! Logan would never commit any improprieties.

>>87928831
>That's just how comic book continuity works.
I'm not arguing all that. Things change, sure. I was just looking for a confirmation on that specific point. I wasn't laying a trap to make some further point, honest.

>>87928885
>Well he never tried to fuck the Elf

Sure lad, of course he didn't.

>>87928885
>Peter Parker.

Hey, lets not forget Logan putting the moves on Mary Jane while Peter was standing right there in Stark Tower a couple of times. And in their duo book Wolverine was constantly fucking Peter over.

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>>87928950
Das ist true, mein lipshen... Heh-heh-heh...

>>87929009
>moves on MJ
Never happened thanks to Quesadilla.
They stayed teamed up, and still worked together. Peter never harbored any grudge, and let's not pretend Peter won't hold a grudge if he has to.

If that's no good for you though, then how about Bucky? I think there was a little contention early in their work together on the Avengers, but when it came to it, Wolverine was one of a few people that helped rescue Nat, and he didn't try to bang Widow while she was dating Bucky.

>>87916963

Japlocke is a filty whoreslut.

>>87929308
>Warren
>'Mex
>Lady 'Mex
>Cable
>maybe Mags
And that's just from recent years.

He's alpha as fuck.

>>87915388

Cyke went about it more Magneto though precisely BECAUSE Charles was such a fuck up. The problem with Logan's entire premise is that mutants at a school KIDS BEIN KIDS didn't work in the past and won't work now. Scott is just realistic in saying this isn't ideal but you guy need to know how to protect yourself because playing at naïveté and mutant house is going to get them killed like it did time and time again.

Wolverine's argument barely makes sense because Scott just wants the kids to know self defense.

>>87913936
because, just like many of our popular politicians, he has a one-eyed view of things.

>>87915233
So, he should know which lives matter, right? Being a mass-murderer, or a WMD or something.

>>87917146
>>87917059
Is this something annons fetish or did it actually happened?

>>87917822
Except Beta Ray Bill, Bill is a Bro.

>>87929051
...context?

>>87928581
How does the point of that helmet come down in front of the eyeslit? Shouldn't it have been blasted off?

>>87917102
You're mixing mutie-terms here, extreme spatial awareness is just another part of his power. Secondary mutations come later in life, just like Cyclops rightness.

>>87924304
>tfw 8 years ago everyone called each other niggers across all boards and no one cared.

Bump, nothing stops rightclops

>>87913936
but he's dead now

Beast is so wrong, so often, that the universe had to balance it out somehow.

>>87933550
>but he's dead now
dead right

Cyclops is wrong because all the mutants are wrong.

>>87915233
>you now realize that Wolverine is standing on his toes just to barely match Scott's heights
When will they learn

>>87924861
It's Illuminating though

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>>87915233
>You killed the only man who mattered.
Canonically, Scott unknowingly saved his universe by killing Xavier.

Being right never fucking ends.

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>>87917896
This. Black Condom suit is the best followed closely by 90s Lee suit.

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>>87926384
10/10 post my man

so i keep reading that cyclops is dead and that he killed xaier but no one story times this shit so I don't know the context, can someone explain?

>>87936451
Cyclops was possesed by the Phoenix Force so he went bananas and killed Charles who was trying to stop him.

Cyke got infected by Inhumans's Terrigen mists and kicked the bucket.

>>87913936
>Race realist leader of one of two groups of mutant supremacists

I dunno, you tell me.

>>87936451
Just read it yourself.

>>87936615
>telling people to read AvX and current X-Men/Inhumans shit
That's just mean, man.

>>87936634
Yeah, but I hate blatant spoonfeeding requests.

Like are you that inept that you can't just use a fucking wiki?

Uncannyx-men.net is possibly the most autistic website on the web after that one earth conspiracy rant, and you can find detailed synopsi of just about everything that's ever had a mutant appear in it.