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Name your favorite Pre Act 6 and favorite Act 6 [S]! If your

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Name your favorite Pre Act 6 and favorite Act 6 [S]! If your Pre is Cascade name a secondary.

[S] Void was definitely one of the prettier looking ones for 6, and for Pre I would say Descend. I love me some Descend.
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>>87871843

Pre 6 = John: Rise Up
6 = Motherfucking potions, both of them
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>>87872528
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>>87871843
Explore is the flash when I realized this weird follow-up to problem sleuth is actually something pretty special, and i really started getting invested.

The one where jack kills the black queen is the one where shit hits the fan and I started to worry for these characters I'd become emotionally invested in.

Descend is the best flash and the best song. There is no counter argument for this. I will fight you.

Cascade is when the comic ended.

Game over is where the comic ended again.
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Oh hey, an actual Homestuck thread.

https://medium.com/@bbctol/homestuck-in-review-the-internets-first-masterpiece-989a84548767#.vgn6xu285

I'm just gonna leave this in here. Here's that rare Kanaya again. Vintage 2010, I believe.
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Game Over is trash, but Carne Vale is a pretty good song.
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>>87873323
>Descend is the best flash and the best song. There is no counter argument for this. I will fight you.
Cascade.
>Cascade is when the comic ended.
This meme again.
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>>87873409
Was this written post-ending? It seems way to positive for that.
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>>87873589
Nvm I'm retarded
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>>87873624
Literally the first line, Anon.
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>>87873409

This was...actually pretty good. Doesn't back away from criticizing the end, but focuses on why it became so big when it did and what made it good when it was. A bit wordy, but beyond that. not bad.
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>>87874272
>Dave growing up with only masculine role models.
It's shit.
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>>87874306
Is that statement false? Bro was pretty masculine.
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>>87874403
There's a whole lot of wrong with that statement. For one, it's not Bro's "masculinity" that fucked with Dave.
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Hiveswap never happened, point and click adventure is out of the cards for some reason, and a Homestuck game is in the works. What genre of game would you want it to be?
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>>87874487
All the games. All of them.

Maybe, an aRPG with a focus on the classpects and how that affects how you use crafted items and multiplayer. Maybe some kind of randomly generated dungeon crawler mixed in with set boss fights.
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>>87874306
Reminds me of that quote that British politican made about male caregivers being innately untrustworthy.

Bro's revelation comes AFTER Homestuck starts pandering hard to the Tumblr crowd and I think people forget that-everyone thought Mom was abusive too and it was a shock that it was all in Rose's head.
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>>87874550
Blank slate, or non canon ties to the comic's events?
I was thinking an action game would be neat. Main story is just key encounters in Homestuck action gameified and turned non canon loose. Could be Paradox Space mode which is just little challenge fights like Transformers Devastation does. In a perfect world these could allow you to play as a good amount of the cast from Tavros to Bro, and have fun boss fights with random characters.
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>>87874674
>I think people forget that-everyone thought Mom was abusive too and it was a shock that it was all in Rose's head.
If we're going with the logic that Bro was abusive, Mom was abusive too.
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>>87874732
I'd want it to be a blank slate.
> Could be Paradox Space mode which is just little challenge fights like Transformers Devastation does. In a perfect world these could allow you to play as a good amount of the cast from Tavros to Bro, and have fun boss fights with random characters.
Wot.
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>>87874804
In Transformers Devastation there's a challenge mode where you can do dumb fights like Bumblebee vs. Two Optimuses. I imagine stuff like that would be fun. Silly shit like playing as Caliborn and fighting a Dirk/Bro tag team. I just named it Paradox Space mode 'cause I like that.
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>>87874895
That seems like it'd take a ton of work considering the amount of characters.
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>>87874917
>In a perfect world...
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>>87874936
That's dumb. You're dumb.
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>>87874957
Yeah, well your mom is dumb. In all seriousness, how would you like it done then? IN A PERFECT WORLD.
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>>87875004
I already said, dumbdumb.
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>>87875035
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>>87875143
Sorry, pal, I'm just in a bad mood.
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>>87872576
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Tex Talk's videos annoy me. This Gamzee one especially.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H7m23gkAe4&t=3s
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>>87875374
Is he gonna make any more? He seemed to be getting a fair amount of views, given that they were video essays of a dead comic.
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>>87875374
But he's right everytime.
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>>87875792
Maybe. It doesn't really matter if that was the point of Gamzee, bad writing is bad writing. I don't give a shit if it was intentional or not. It's not a good thing.
First video was pretty cool though, I admit. Even if it isn't true, it's an interesting way to think about Homestuck.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MdltybiL00
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>>87876416
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSCEC0lYTzk

MUSIC POSTIN' YOU SAY!?
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>>87876463
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t34t7aIUI9w
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>>87871843
Jade:Enter and Caliborn:Enter, I guess.
Cascade isn't even top 3 pre.
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why are there no dls for the homestuck albums anywhere?
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>>87876668
I dunno man, it's pretty good.

>>87876697
Try SoulseekQt.
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>he didn't follow the guide
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>>87876407
He's still right, Anon and I'm happy to hear everything else he has to say about the classpects. Hopefully, we can learn from Homestuck with its meta concepts.

Hussie got a programming degree so it's not too unlikely. I like the concept too.
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>[S] John: Reunite with your loving wife and daughter.
will forever be the pinnacle of Homestuck in my eyes. The culmination of such a long, drawn out joke finally boiling over into the most bombastic moment in Homestuck. Nothing ever has or will be as funny to me.

Post Act 6,
>[S] Caliborn: Enter.
it does an amazing job of creating both excitement and uneasiness, and it sets the stakes incredibly high at a time when the story was floundering.
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>>87876746
Game Over is honestly a good place to stop reading the comic
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>>87876869
But it sucks.
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>>87876697
http://apollonios.tumblr.com/post/23307552551/homestuck-album-masterpost
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>>87876869
>subjecting yourself to any part of act 6
Act 5.2 is already pushing it, anon.
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>>87876886
>game over timeline
>Rose dies, avenging Kanaya, but manages to reconcile with her mother via Roxy
>Karkat dies by Gamzee's hand, their moralalligence an obvious sham
>Aranea flies too close to the sun in her take over and gets burned
>Jake dies manning up to protect Jane
>Kanaya accidentally killed by the empress of trollkind, who needed Kanaya alive to revive the race (so she can kill them again).
>Terezi goes after Aranea, possibly taking revenge for fixing her eyes.
>Kanaya finally goes clown hunting after years.
>Dirk sinks into the Swamp of Sadess a la Artax, heartbroken after failing to protect his friends and Dave.
>Dave dies, adamantly refusing to time travel, in an attempt to protect Jade. Confronting his brother's killer.
>John confronts the villain
>John realizes he's failed as a leader


game over was the end homestuck deserved.
A total party kill to really end this shit comic
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>>87876941
But all of that is still shit.
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>>87876972
It's a trainwreck of thematically appropriate deaths.
It's the best end
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>>87877000
No, it's still shit.
>Terezi dies.
>Just for someone healing her eyes.
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>>87877000
>thematically appropriate
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>>87877019
You prefer
>she goes looking for vriska in a black hole and never comes back
?
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>>87877051
No, you fucking mongoloid. Hence the use of "still", it's "still" shit. And we don't know if she comes back, there's still more post-canon bullshit.
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>>87876941
>A total party kill to really end this shit comic
Why not stop reading before the comic turns to shit?
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>>87877086
fine. clearly you don't understand what I'm talking about
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>>87877119
And why is that?
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>>87877151
probably because you're retarded.
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>>87876941
>A total party kill to really end this shit comic
WTF, I hate Homestuck now.
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>>87877166
You're dumb.
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>>87877166
>Has nothing to say.
>Let me just call him stupid.
Everytime.
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>>87877202
>>87877181
don't get mad when you haven't even touched a single point I've made and get called out as being an idiot.

Maybe you should re-read the reply chain to see where you went wrong.
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>>87877236
>a single point
I did and you responded with "dur hur you don't know what ur talking about".

Please make an actual point instead of being retarded.
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>>87877268
>I did

>But it sucks.
>But all of that is still shit.
> Hence the use of "still", it's "still" shit.

nah
Nice argument skills, retard.
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>>87877301
You're so fucking stupid.

>Terezi gets killed because her eyes get healed. That's stupid.
>dur hur is post-retcon better
>No, but that doesn't mean it's not shit.
>U DONT KNOW WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT
Please make an actual point next post.
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>>87877350
>only argues terezi because he's too dumb to argue anything else

really gets my noggin joggin.
Enjoy your waifu floating around looking for vriska
I'll be over here with my superior arguments.
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>idiots arguing about act 6 as if it's actually relevant
The guide says to STOP before then, dipshits.
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>>87877445
*only argues Terezi because it's convenient
FTFY

Your arguments are gutter trash. Please kill yourself. You're honestly mentally deficient.
>>87877464
Funny meme.
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>>87873528
Cascade is too long and less cohesive. Cascade is multiple unrelated scenes in different places with different characters happening in four flashes that are mashed together. Jade resurrecting and escaping the session with John and the planets could have been completely separate from Rose Dave and the green sun. It is good, probably second or third best. But descend is better. I will fight you.
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>>87877519
Cascade mixes all of its elements together perfectly though and feels like an amazing movie.
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>>87877507
>Funny meme
I'm not laughing.
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>>87877507
>Your arguments are gutter trash. Please kill yourself. You're honestly mentally deficient.

You don't even have any kiddo.
You're stewing in a dirty diaper saying "it's shit" over and over.
We're all having a good time here, and you're the one who can't handle discourse
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>>87873409
I've got a heap of vintage 2010 Kanaya.
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>>87877544
cascade is fucking garbage.

>wow another minute long pan over a still shot set to forgettable music!
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>>87877589
lay it on us bro

we need it right about now
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>>87877575
Nah, your arguments are trash. Being smug doesn't make you right.
>We're all
Nobody's agreeing with you and the thread is borderline dead.
>who can't handle discourse
>responds to point with "u don't know what i'm talking about" and then "retard"
>>87877572
Sad meme then.
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>>87877622
>"u don't know what i'm talking about" and then "retard"
Yep. Not only can you not handle discourse, you also can't handle truth.

We know.
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>>87877601
Wow, you're so cool and contrarian.
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>>87877589
I didn't even notice that Breakfast-At-Tiffany's Kanaya was done by Andrei who is now Idlecil. But that Rosemary's Baby Kanaya there's no mistaking that linework.
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>>87877622
>Sad meme then
do you see any tears you meme bitch nigga?
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>>87877645
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>>87877642
>mmmm hussie please shit in my mouth some more!
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>>87877637
OK, here's the proof then. :)

Being smug doesn't make you right.
>>87877119
>>87877166

Look, I can post smug cats too!
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>>87877670
Wow, you're so against the norm! Awesome!
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>>87877679
>Being smug doesn't make you right.
Yeah. Being correct makes me right.
I am right and you are not.
feel free to stop responding.
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>>87877664
could you hook me up with the other three of these reaction images? I need them for reasons.
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>>87877713
Literally all you're doing is being smug now. And that still doesn't make you right.
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>>87877664
Emotionless meme then.
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>>87877733
I've been right.
Do you want me to copy paste my initial post?
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>>87877544
>Cascade mixes all of its elements together perfectly though and feels like an amazing movie.
Too bad the art styles didn't mix perfectly kek.
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>>87877755
>thinking smug = right AGAIN
When will you learn?

No, you haven't. Eat a dick.
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>>87877762
True, that was the worst part of Cascade.
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>>87877785
I hope you understand that when you (repeatedly) fail to make a point, there's no need for me to change my argument.
Because nothing you've said has been directly related to my initial post other than your thoughts on terezi.
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>>87877724
I didn't even know they came in a set, sorry.

Have a tubjohn instead.
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>>87877840
>tubjohn
related to tubgirl?
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>>87877837
Anon, please just give up. You've made a fool of yourself. There's no reason to go on being smug for the purpose of being smug.
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>>87877868
I'll stop being smug when you start proving me wrong.
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>>87877840
yeah it was each of the beta kids, and on the computer screen was a fic from AoOO like "Ovipositive" or "Isla Harley" or "Strider's Edge". I forget which one was John's fanfic.
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>>87877859
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>>87877895
I partly did. At least, enough. Enough to make you look like an ass too.
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>>87877916
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What's rose pointing at?
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>>87878152
probably some hastily made /aco/ drawing that's not as meme worthy as you think
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>>87878174
This.
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>>87878152
Filthy wieners.
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Why the fuck would you want to sit around re-re-re-re-re-rearguing about old things from a dead webcomic?
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>>87879536
It's fun.
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>>87879536
Wait for the epilogue. Believe.
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>>87879689
but why wait while doing this bullshit? Why wait while daily wasting and ruining the good parts?
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>>87879749

1. I like talking about Homestuck regardless of quality.
2. I like Homestuck.
3. It's not that concentration intensive. These threads sit around in another tab until I want to post something, or see that something was posted. We aren't staring at the page constantly refreshing.
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>>87879820
>We aren't staring at the page constantly refreshing.
Um, Anon, I am...... I've been whatever for you all thread. I love you....
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>>87879858
I don't recommend that anon. It's kind of a waste of time in a slow thread. Try to do other things while you wait for posts anon. I love you too.
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>>87879902
I can't think about anything when you're not here, Anon. I just need to see you and I can't stop my obsession.
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>>87879932
Divert your attention to your waifu anon. You have a waifu don't you?
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>>87879983
No, I don't, Anon.
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>>87879820
>I like Homestuck
>JohnVriska shipper

Every time. Fuck off.
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>>87880383
>Not liking Homestuck.
>In a Homestuck thread.
WTF.....
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>>87880383
It's just album art nigger, I don't ship.
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>>87880383
Why do you hate Johnvriska so much?
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>>87879983
Porn when?
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>>87880658
/aco/
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>>87880712
>He doesn't link it like a cool guy.
*>>/aco/
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>>87880383
And how does this make you feel?
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>>87880761
>ear sets
Nobody says that.
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>>87880748
I'm not cool, why would I pretend? That's dishonest.
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>>87880778
Why aren't you cool, Anon?
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>>87880772
Sorry, I meant hearing combination
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>>87880761
Because she got a Dog shoved into her?

Or rather her corpse got shoved into a Dog, which her waking soul then got shoved into. You get the idea.
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>>87880788
No, you meant "sets of ears", dumbdumb.
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>>87880794
Yes but dog ears AND human ears?
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>>87880750
reminds me of Tavris shippers

just replace john in that image with tavros and it's the same shit
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>>87880804
You mean an audial couple?
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>>87880809
Yes, that's exactly what happened. Why is this so hard for you to understand?
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Jade is adorable! Adorable!
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>>87880813
I don't even ship it but I know the ships aren't exactly identical.
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>>87880824
But WHY two sets? How does that work? Does she hear twice as good?
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>>87880823
I'm going to beat you up.
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>>87880787
I don't know Anon. Just ain't that way.
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>>87880823
They're called sound holes.
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>>87880846
>But WHY two sets?
You know exactly why.

Works like two ears. And, yes, she probably does.
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>>87880834
*a bad character
FTFY.
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>>87880809
There was a dog that had dog ears.
Then there was a girl that had girl ears.
when you shove them together you got dog ears and human ears.

It's a magic/science blender strobe light that's made to shove dead shit together to try and breed a race of creatures to kill small children, it's not an exact science.
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>>87880852
That's sad.
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>>87880894
but how does it WORK
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>>87880813
Pretty sure they're almost exact opposites.
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>>87880834
Jade is the physical embodiment of homophobia in this country
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>>87880913
The joke is that both ships are fucking shit. Now enjoy being a contrarian fuckface and dump that fucking meme ship in this thread.
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>>87880889
You're a bad character, that's why they gave up on writing you.
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>>87880932
But my name isn't Jade.
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>>87880903
Her ears are born from a process created by a race of amorphous masses of writhing flesh, and a giant ball that talks through clouds, in an effort to distract children from their use as fodder in an endless war. It makes as much sense as they care it to, which is to say not very much.
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>>87880945
That just makes you even worse, you don't even have a cute name. I bet you can't even do tricks.
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>>87880928
You sound upset. Has something upset you?
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>>87880967
I'm not a bad character, Anon...... And I can do plenty of tricks..
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You can't deny that Vriska was well written in act 5.

You also can't deny that she and Bec Noir were the best antagonists in the entire comic.
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>>87880889
You are very petty
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>>87880984
Can you play dead?
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>>87881009
I liked Doc Scratch and Caliborn more than her. I agree she's pretty good though in Act 5.
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>>87881010
No, you are.
>>87881020
I feel like this might lead into my murder.
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>>87881035
Your the one getting upset at an innocuous post
I bet if i called your favorite character shit you'd get all huffy and piss your Doc Scratch panties
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QUICK


WHAT'S THE WORST SONG IN THE ENTIRETY OF HOMESTUCK
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>>87881044
I'm not upset, Anon. But I would do that if I didn't know that Cuntpi might burst down my door to suck on them.
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>>87881074
Then keep your disgusting fetishes and spite to yourself,

Lest we end up with the thread being filled with George Clooney images like those many , many moons ago by He Who Shall Not Be Named
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>>87881062
Prospit Dreamers is pretty fucking boring, if you ask me. And moonsweater ruins vol. 10 since it's so fucking long.

>>87881074
What?
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>>87881084
It's not my fetishes you should be worried about.

I have no idea what you mean by this.
>>87881086
N-Nothing, Cuntpi.
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>>87880967
Nothing indicates Jade can do tricks, she never really trained Bec.
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>>87881093
She taught him how to fetch.
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>>87881086
I like Moonsweater.
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>>87881102
So Jade can fetch, and that's about it
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>>87881086
Fuck you, I like Moonsweater.
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>>87881111
Yeah, basically.
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I've never listened past prospit dreamers on that album and now I realize that Center of Brilliance is actually worse.

I wasn't counting songs from Medium, so my vote goes for the one that has the chewing noises. Also everything from bowman's album. The guy shouldn't sing if he's not doing it to be funny.

>>87881103
>>87881112
I guess that's just, like, your opinion, man. I'm into it for the first 2-3 minutes, and then it's overstaying it's welcome, I think.
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>>87881111
Still better than Rose
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>>87881147
Rose is the best at fetching.
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>>87881144
>I wasn't counting songs from Medium, so my vote goes for the one that has the chewing noises.

I thought I was going mad for the longest time. I edited a version for myself just to not have to listen to those.
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>>87881154
>. I edited a version for myself just to not have to listen to those.
Share it?
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>>87881111
No, she also sits and acts very still if you tell her to in an authoritative voice. She can also roll over.
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>>87881152
Yeah, fetching STDs
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>>87881144
Just skip to that part then?
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>>87881152
Rose Cannot Even Fetch Me Dinner
Dumb Bitch
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>>87881163
Take that back, you bully.
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>>87881169
What? I'm saying the song lasts too long. I like the beginning, but I end up have to skip out about 3 minutes in.
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>>87881192
No, just skip to it then. What?
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>>87881185
I like the idea of Kanaya being an abusive spouse, wife beater and all.
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>>87880609
Probably an oldfag crackshipper.
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>>87881162
can she beg?
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>>87881205
What are you even talking about?
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>>87881238
Why can't you understand me? ;_:
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>>87881250
I don't know, anon. What are you trying to tell me?
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>>87881273
Just skip to the part you like?
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what did they mean
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>>87881286
something sassy that could have gone somewhere if Hussie wasn't such a hack
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>>87873409
That was good.

I appreciate that he spent ages talking about how strange and wonderful and revolutionary Homestuck is and then admits "well, it's not GREAT", because that's exactly what I'd do.
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>>87881277
I said I like the beginning. Why would I skip to the beginning? That doesn't make any sense. The problem is that it's too long. The part I skip is the second part!
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>>87881286
>i showed you mine now show me yours

Fucking lewd dave
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>>87881298
Oh, my bad. I misread you somewhere.
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>>87881301
Never show yours first, ESPECIALLY if they're asking
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>>87881301
Your reading comprehension is awful.
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>>87881295
This sounds sarcastic.
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>>87881311
JAde would never lie like that
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>>87881305
Phew. I'm glad we got that all sorted out.
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>>87881311
If everyone followed that philosophy, nobody would ever have sex.
>>87881325
Yes, she would.
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>>87881311
They should agree to a mutual, same-time showing.
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>>87881331
Let's have sex now.
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>>87881333
No she wouldn't, Jade is honest and honors legally binding bargains.
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Test: The cure for Homestuck being shit and Hiveswap being an oncoming disaster

Hypothesis: Red Label and chocolate and drugs

Results: aaahaHahaahahahaa this works perfectly AND its a cure for the holidays, fuck it everyone take a shot
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>>87881345
Jade is a Mary Sue.
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>>87881345
Jade is a rampant sex offender.
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>>87881356
That's Kanaya
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>>87881343
What? N-no. We cant!
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>>87881360
Can't it be both?
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>>87881356
Is it really rampancy if you raped the same guy tons of times?
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>>87881319
No, not really. I've still got a lot of appreciation for Homestuck and what it did to explore the medium, and I don't think the importance of that can be overstated, but at the same time it really did shit the bed in its second half.
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>>87881360
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>>87881348
Don't do drugs, kids.
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>>87881374
Yeah same

I'll still sell the innovation but will openly admit it turned to trash, fast
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>>87881371
Nope. Only one person can sex offend at a time
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>>87881374
The article was shit though.
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>>87881379
Wrong, always do drugs
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>>87881372
Yes, it is.
>>87881386
Who made this law? Dirk?
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>>87881361
Why not?
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>>87881396
No, Kanaya. Dirk made the law that says you can't rape your husband, which Jade also has as an advantage.
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>>87881350
that doesn't have anything to do with this you silly little cuk
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>>87881396
>Who made this law? Dirk?
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>>87881389
Of course Kanaya'd give bad advice like that.
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>>87881406
Why would Kanaya pass a law that actively fucks her over?
>>87881409
Karkat would never......
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>>87881408
Just saying, man.
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>>87881418
>Why would Kanaya pass a law that actively fucks her over?

I Am Not A Clever Person
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>>87881429
your opinion is wrong and you smell of elderberries !
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>>87881440
My opinion is right and I smell like sex.
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>>87881404
You haven't taken me out to dinner yet. Or told me that I look pretty. I'm not a whore, you know!

This is getting silly.
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>>87881432
But why'd you do it?
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>>87881447
yeah, hobo sex
also not really anymore, maybe during act 3, but not anymore.
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are you assholes taking a shot or what, it's the holiday week drink with me already, soon HSG will be dead for good and then 2017 can kill us all, c'mon

>>87881451
cram it and take a shot already
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>>87881462
No, upper class lesbian sex.

Well, of course not in Act 6, even in Act 5 the case could be made.
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>>87881451
OK, you're pretty. There's step one. Now let's go to dinner.

You were probably too ugly to be a whore anyway.

What's that picture referencing?
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>>87881470
it's actually a tart combination of lesbian vapors, hobo pucker musk, and the light addition of horsecum

and obviously Im speaking in terms of Act 6, or , How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Watched As All The Characters Went Terrible
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>>87881459
Because she's not a smart person
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>>87881478
anon you're awful at this
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>>87881467
No thanks, I have an early morning.

HSG isn't going to die, it's just going to move to /vg/, provided that the game isn't so terrible that nobody plays it.

>>87881478
Some dumb horror movie I haven't seen, but I like the artist. Also, tumut
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>>87881488
No, it smells like eggnog and new baby.

Well, don't, then every character is shit and nothing like themselves.
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>>87881493
I thought I was doing really well. I called her pretty and everything.
>>87881494
Well, what's the name of it? Also, fuck you, I was going to get you dinner, you meany.
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>>87881494
>No thanks, I have an early morning.
fine, tomorrow then you sassy slunt

>provided that the game isn't so terrible that nobody plays it.
hhahahahaahahahahahahahahahaahahaaa
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>>87881496
That's the reality we have to face negro

also quite honestly, shes more just slightly bland than a mary sue. Of course people think the term applies and use it without thinking
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>>87881507
Still, it doesn't make for a good discussion.

She was basically a plot device.
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>>87881505
Jennifer's Body?

>>87881506
:(
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>>87881506
Don't call my E-wife a slunt, you dick.
>>87881518
Oh, God, I know that one, it sounds awful.
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>>87881516
well that's life, we have to suck it up and face facts
would you like fries with that

no, Jane/Jake was a plot device
Jade was just there
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>>87881518
>:(
AAAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHA
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>>87881529
Doesn't counter or add onto what I actually said.

Jade and Jake weren't plot devices, Jade was. I don't think you know what that term means.

Also, hating Jake is a meme.
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>>87881525
Yeah, but these fanarts are kind of pretty. And I haven't consented to marriage yet, buster. Let's take this one thing at a time.
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>>87881541
that's also life
and I wish we could go back to when the comic was good, but we can't okay

and yeah, they kind of were
I dont know what Jade did to you to make you hate her so much, but this is getting a bit out of hand

>hating jake is a meme
Nigga what
explain
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>>87881546
I want her to shit out my soul desu.

And who said anything about consent to a marriage? The papers are already signed.
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>>87881541
>Jade and Jake weren't plot devices, Jade was
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>>87881559
Wait shit hold the fuck up you did it, I got it, finally, that image just tripped it for me

I know exactly what kind of smut fic with Rose I can do in this brave new world of a mangled post-ending content
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>>87881553
It doesn't count unless you say "I do". Haven't you seen princess bride?

I gotta go to bed, predator anon. Good night.
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>>87881552
Again, nothing added onto what I actually said.

No, they weren't. Jade had immediate and massive effects on the plot. Jake and Jane didn't. And, no, it isn't getting out of hand.

Jake was decently developed and characterized. His characterization was fairly unique to the story and you easily got a feeling for everything he was about. He's an egocentric pretty boy playing pretend. Compare that to Jane who's on a whole other level of shittiness and Roxy whose actual characterization beyond typing quirks amounts to ?????? and you have the second best Alpha (which isn't saying much)
>>87881559
Oh, he posted a picture. Better pack my bags and head home.
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>>87881591
>Oh, he posted a picture. Better pack my bags and head home.
It's because you said Jade twice you silly

take the stick from your rump
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>>87881582
Fine, whatever, you just said "I do" so there we go.

I'm no predator. I love you. ;_;
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>>87881576
Why is she so happy
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>>87881600
Fudge, my bad, Anon. Sorry.
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>>87881591
most of what you've been saying before has just been blatant statements with no explanation, so I thank you for seeing the error in this and actually, you know, explaining your case.

>Jake and Jane didn't.
In regards to Act 6 , I'd say so!

of course, this is naturally flawed, since Act 6 is much shorter than the rest of the comic in comparison, so their impact doesn't feel as hard hitting. Regardless, you kind of already said 'yeah okay jade got some character' in act 6 with the whole Space junk at the end with Calliope/becoming single after breaking up etc., it wasn't much but fuck it was something at least. Most of Jade's storyline wrapped up Pre-Act 5 so Hussie just didn't even know what to do with her besides having her as a spunky side character with powers that ended up getting negated thanks to Condy.

If I had that one picture of Rose and Dave getting fat off of screentime and John and Jade starving I'd post it, since it's a good representation of how Hussie's storytelling faltered in the end.

>Jake was decently developed and characterized.

Sure, for maybe a short amount of time. Hussie essentially forgot about them over time and used them as a punching bag in the end with no real character whatsoever. I'm still disgusted by what Huss did to them , of course this is the guy who did the retcon thing so fuck it, right?

>and Roxy whose actual characterization beyond typing quirks amounts to ??????
I mean damn man I didn't know you disliked how she was treated as well, but she did feel a BIT better off than Jane ..
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>>87881610
She has a man who loves her
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>>87881674
Anon, I said it didn't make for good conversation and then you repeat yourself. That is all. Give me one (1) giving a blatant statement with no explanation.

Not really? Jake and Jane didn't come in and fuck shit up. All of the Alpha kids had shit to do and then did that shit. There weren't any massive moments immediately coming out of characters like with Jade and Bec and Jade and the Clouds.

Anon, it seems like you're getting sidetracked a bit here.

Better than Jane means better than nothing because Jane is nothing.
>>87881693
Why did you post a blank picture?
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>>87881693
Angry embarrassed Jane best Jane
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>>87881721
You repeated yourself as well so I'd say we're both at fault. I shall eat crow.
>Jake and Jane didn't come in and fuck shit up.
Eehh, I mean
They did what they could.
I'm not gonna lie, the whole 'turning jade and jane evul' thing was incredibly stupid for a while, same for the tricksters, but all of that is mostly forgettable given the context.

again, act 6 is a mess so it's hard dissecting it like a rotting corpse
Regardless, I shall repeat what I saw long ago "It's not that Jade is a bad character, it's that the rest of the other main 4 kids have much more screentime and contributed more "
>Better than Jane means better than nothing because Jane is nothing.

no qualms there
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>>87881775
I did it because you failed to understand. >eat crow
What?

Anon, this whole thing was about Jake and Jane being plot devices, what are you now going "they did what they could" You're confuzzling. Why are you getting sidetracked again?

The only thing you'd dissect is a corpse though?

But Jade did a ton of shit?
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>>87881761
Tsun bun
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>>87881807
You've never heard of 'eat crow ' before?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eating_crow
It's an old term so it's understandable

>Anon, this whole thing was about Jake and Jane being plot devices
Woah woah what,
I was under the impression this was about Jade being seen as a Mary Sue in your eyes so I was comparing her to the rest of the cast. I think what you call being sidetracked is more like a major misunderstanding. Shit man woops.
>The only thing you'd dissect is a corpse though?
Not a rotting one , which is what I used to describe it.
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>>87881841
But your comparisons didn't prove a thing either way? And the way I'm using the terms here, they're practically interchangeable? What?

Aren't all corpses rotting?
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>>87881860

That's your opinion and I respect it, but I humbly disagree as I see it differently. I saw it more as comparing the kids and their personalities /achievements over the course of the comic.

>And the way I'm using the terms here, they're practically interchangeable? What?
Do explain though. You're throwing me off here.


Also after visiting a morgue, not if you preserve them right, regardless, the metaphor has obviously run its course.
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>>87881761
She's better in an apron.
>>
Remember, Jane and Jade are marriage material, the Lalondes are good for one-night stands at best.
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>>87881881
What?

A Mary Sue can be a plot device? It's a certain type?

Doesn't that just slow the process?
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>>87881899
Meme opinion.
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>>87881924
Correct opinion, but I see that you're unable to prove it wrong.
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>>87881957
>Make an assertion.
>Try to throw the burden of proof onto me.
Nah, meme opinion.
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>>87881917
That's...kind of not what I'm getting at . Any character can be called a plot device, but to describe them as a mary sue is wrong 9 times out of 10. I've already expressed that Jade is dull/lacking in development which leaves people to jump this gun most of the time.

Anyways
I hope you had a good dinner
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>>87881971
>alcoholics with mental issues who are often fucking crazy
>marriage material
And you have the audacity to tell others their opinions are memes.
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>>87881975
No, that's what I'm saying. If a character is dull, neigh perfect, and has a massive and unwarranted influence on the plot, it's fair to call them a Sue. It's also fair to call them a plot device. They both intertwine sometimes.

I didn't.
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>>87881987
>Bipolar cunt who tried to rape a man.
>Half-dog abomination.
You would fuck those things?
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>>87882008
>has to say meme stuff like "abomination" to justify not wanting to marry Jade
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>>87882023
>Has to say "meme" to meme out the fact that someone with two sets of ears is an abomination.
>Ignored the point on Jane because he knows it's true.
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>>87881998
>neigh perfect
I wouldn't say that at all about Jade , she's easily irritated, lonely, gets great powers but then gets hard countered with them by the enemy so her strength becomes everyone's weakness, etc. I could go on since I love most of the original 4 kids and all together and that's just my stance on the matter
> unwarranted influence on the plot,
Influence yes, but unwarranted?


and I am sorry to hear that
I hope your breakfast turns out better
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>>87882008
Part dog = loyal wife, that makes her ideal wife material
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>>87882042
Sorry, my wife is naturally loyal and didn't need to become a freak of nature to achieve it because she's an actually good person.
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>>87882040
I was just giving an example. And I'm not going to really debate the Jade thing right now.

Unwarranted as in "they didn't work for it" or "it came out of fucking nowhere"

It probably won't.
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>>87882058
Guy, your hand isn't your wife just because you put a ring on it.
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>>87882075
That's fair
It is 5 fucking AM in the morning goddamn

Also if we're talking about Cascade, I see what you mean in a way.

and sorry
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>>87882038
>has to restore to "has two ears" rather than actual flaws

You're just digging yourself a hole all the way to china
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>>87882081
No, because that ring belongs to me and the other belongs to my wife. :^)
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>>87882096
>>has to restore to
has to resort to*
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>>87882101
>wears two rings on one hand
That's pathetic.
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>>87882096
>Uses the word "restore" for no reason.
>Defending a fucked up dog bitch.
You're going in that hole.
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>>87881899
>only retards trying to argue against this

I expected as much.
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>>87882106
What if they're the Ring of Life and Ring of Void, you bully? ;_;
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>>87882093
That was an example.

And Jade in general has all kinds of that shit.

It's OK.
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>>87882118
I mean, canonically Jane in another life was a stereotypical housewife. Rose and Roxy are always crazy drunks. Jade's the only wildcard but she comes off as seeming like she'd make a great mom and wife.
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>>87882118
Why are you calling me a retard? ;_;
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>>87876416
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HPKA1kSEwk
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>>87882133
Like?
The same could be said about a lot of characters quite honestly
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>>87882158
Bec, Skaian Clouds, her board game gimmick, being a nuclear physicist when the rest are just normal kids, etc. Shit like that.
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>>87882134
Jade'd be the soccer mom to Jane's traditional mom
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>>87882180
You have that in reverse.
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>>87882170
>being a nuclear physicist when the rest are just normal kids

Woah man I wouldn't call the rest of the cast normal , and given that it doesn't even end up being brought up for the rest of the comic like that of Rose's writings , that feels a bit reaching.

Only real one that feels like it has any weight is Bec at least.
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>>87882190
How would Jane be a soccer mom? How would Jade be a traditional mom?
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>>87882194
Relatively normal. Regardless, Jade has a ton of shit that makes her unique and powerful.

No, Skaian Clouds were super important.
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>>87882205
Jane's a super bitch? Jade suppresses all of her anger and acts like a normal person?
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I was wondering why the homestuck threads were getting deleted consistently.

Now I know why. This whole thread is just waifu posting, mods pls delete.
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>>87882207
The keyword here is 'were'
Like the horrorterrors and many other concepts, they eventually were forgotten as time went on.

And hell man she's got her faults too
anyways Im tired and I don't see any reason to further this since it aint changing my opinion any time soon , and I believe you most likely feel the same.
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>>87882271
That she evolved as a character overtime for the most part.

>Then you should stop coming to these threads completely because you will never change anybody's mind here.
I'm not going to stop coming these threads any time soon man

I don't know if you were trying to be snarky or something but I am sorry you took my request of peace as a sign of hostility somehow
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>>87882305
More like devolved.

But engaging in these conversations is pointless to you if you don't change minds?

It did hurt. I am lonely and bored. :(
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Post pics of this semen demon
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>>87882345
>best girl
Meme tastes.
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>>87882329
Cheeky breeki! But no, felt more like evolving.Especially after getting over the narcolepsy deal and whatnot.

>But engaging in these conversations is pointless to you if you don't change minds?

And that's why I usually stick to simply asking for art requests instead because discussions tend to end up becoming thread-fillers with no one reaching peace. Which is a shame.
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>>87873409
wtf i love medium now

>Toby Fox, the game’s creator, having led the music production for Homestuck, and the game having been coded in part in Andrew Hussie’s basement. I wish Homestuck had been mentioned more in those reviews.
Given his social circle i think he actually wants people to forget he contributed to. Oppa toby style was made by 2012-13, things changed since and composing became just a job on a toxic enviroment instead of a lifestyle. The tweet he speaks to andrew felt more an obligation than sincere thanks.
>>
When are the next snaps?
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>>87882353
Not really? She just faded into the background?

They're still fun and eat up time, Anon. Most discussions like this reach a definitive conclusion.
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>>87882365
What are you talking about?
>>
https://bowman.bandcamp.com/album/electric-daydreams
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>>87882367
A dozen replies back I already mentioned hussie's braindead strategy of heaping screentime on Strilondes, so I've got you covered

and while they do eat up time, sometimes it comes off as a distraction whilst multitasking
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>>87882366
We don't know.
Possibly December 6th.
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>>87882393
But that's a part of her development, Anon.

Isn't that also a good thing?
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>>87882403
No.

Hussie a hack
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>>87882410
Yes, it is. I mean, literally it is. Like, that aspect of it is a part of development for characters in general. And honestly, that could have been great for Jade as a character given her Parody Sue status.
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>>87881144
>Also everything from bowman's album. The guy shouldn't sing if he's not doing it to be funny.
Cuntpi, if you don't think Bowman's perfomance in "How Do I Live" wasn't beautiful then you really are stupid.
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>>87882418
https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/b/b1/Demoman_no02.wav?t=20100625225432

feels more like a combination of poor story telling and a general unwillingness to focus on some characters in favor of others
>parody sue status
you cheeky fucker~
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>>87882395
>December 6th
Why?
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>>87882471
That's why I said "could have"?

I'm not being cheeky, that was pretty much the intent of her character.
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>>87882495
I usually try to keep an open mind but this just feels like a tinfoil theory to be brutally honest
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>>87882513
People use that term to describe Jade all the time. With her introduction, her uniqueness, her general personality, all of the bullshit that comes with her, etc, it's easy to see why.
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Ladies and Gentlemen and Homestuck fags.

How do we kill Karkat?
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>>87882526
Wait.
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>>87882521
Yeah , incorrect people that spawned from the depths of HSG
Again, it all feels like a poor way to describe her while overlooking her faults and flaws.
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>>87882552
No? I've seen it everywhere. Even on Tumblr.

Parody Sue =/= Mary Sue, Anon.
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>>87882570
Tumblr isn't exactly an example I'd use man

also any form of Sue is distasteful
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>>87882600
Why not? It's still another website.

Not really. Parody Sue is a pretty vague term and the connotation there isn't really negative.
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ABUSER! ABUSER! ABUSER!
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>>87882608

It is the birth of evil!
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>>87882688
Oh, man, don't be cute on me, Anon.
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>>87882526
Why do you guys want Karkat to be dead so badly?
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>>87882683
WTF, I love Bro now.
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>>87874487
dwarf fortress style sim game
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>>87882716
Because he cucked Jade and won the Davebowl.
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>>87882757
Stop caring about shipping, retards.
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>>87882767
>Not caring about shipping
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>>87882777
Why should I?
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>>87882746
>John Egbert the Heir of Breath punches Caliborn the Lord of Time in the upper left canine tooth and it goes flying!
>Caliborn the Lord of Time looks sick
>Caliborn the Lord of Time passes out
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>>87882746
How so?
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>>87882779
Because anon, seeing our characters end up with people that make sense is an important part of their arc.
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>>87882787
Not really. A character can fulfill an arc without a ship. A relationship does not define a character. You sound like a Davekat shipper.
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>>87882794
They can fulfill an arc without a ship. But if they're GOING to be shipped, it should be with characters that make sense.
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>>87882809
OK, I can agree with that. They shouldn't be shipped though. It's cancer.
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>>87882809
But Davekat and shit is barely canon?
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>>87882392
stop talking about gay aliens and discuss THIS
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>>87882716
Because Tumblr and Hussie raped and remodeled Karkat.
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>>87882787
>seeing our characters end up with people that make sense is an important part of their arc
something about this statement bugged me and I think I know what it is.
I agree that, as an author, if you intend to pair two togethers together, then you should devote enough development to that relationship that it feels natural and has some cathartic value. But I don't think that the relationship needs to be part of either character's "main arc". It should be part of *an* arc, for sure, but it needn't be a factor in either character's most significant personal issues
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>>87883008
Why not?
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>>87883015
because romance can be fun on its own without tying into some narrative question, same way as an extraneous fight scene can be entertaining

the problem is when you have shitty unbelievable romance or too many extraneous fight scenes, etc.
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>>87883035
No? I don't like this kind of thinking. Everything should have a purpose with the plot, characters, information to the audience, etc
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>>87883044
every story has extraneous elements, it gives a sense of a vaster, deeper world than you would get if the story only focused on what was absolutely necessary. Relationships between characters might not serve any grander purpose other than to make the characters more relatable by giving them the humanizing quality of wanting to show and receive affection

homestuck never pretended to be a story where every little thing is significant, anyway
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>>87883125
>it gives a sense of a vaster, deeper world than you would get if the story
But that's not extraneous. That's something I described.

And it'd be more realistic to have those relationships change people. The most humanizing effect of relationship is how it affects you personally. Otherwise, it's just shallow and sometimes even manipulative.

Homestuck was weird with that kind of shit but it usually tried to asspull an excuse for stuff.
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>>87883144
being "realistic" is a trap
good fiction isn't realistic, otherwise you get things like "people don't have arcs"

You don't seem to be terribly concerned about arguing that a relationship should be part of the character's main arc, anymore. If you agree that romance can be included for no other reason than to give a character another dimension, then we can chalk the rest up to semantics.
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>>87883192
>being "realistic" is a trap
>good fiction isn't realistic, otherwise you get things like "people don't have arcs"
WTF are you on about? You're more leaning towards that than me. I want romance to have a purpose, you don't. You're the more "human beans" guy here.

Just a purpose, Anon. It depends on what you mean by "dimension" here too.
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>>87883219
>I want romance to have a purpose, you don't.
Of course I want romance to have purpose. I said it should be cathartic, didn't I? I'm just saying it doesn't have to be central to a character's story.

>Just a purpose, Anon. It depends on what you mean by "dimension" here too.
Well, given that you accepted story elements serving the "vaster, deeper world" objective as non-extraneous, I figure that you don't think many things are extraneous. If you don't think descriptions of trees in LotR are extraneous, then that's a pretty low bar for relationships to meet.
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>>87883270
I don't think that's a good justification though, Anon.

In a sense of detail and scope, maybe. What you just described sounds a bit extraneous.
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>>87882526
like THIS

L8L
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>>87883288
I'm not sure what exactly you're referring to.

Anyway just think about it like this. The romance is a "B" story, something that goes on in the background so the audience has breaks to process the "A" story and can be entertained while feeling the passage of time. Homestuck is by no means a short, self-contained novel... it's a sprawling serial with lots of different plotlines going on at once, and it's pretty unreasonable to expect them all to support the core themes of one central plotline, if such a central plotline even exists. It's not like we can even tell who the main character is.
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>>87883360
To be cathartic.

I don't think entertainment is enough justification for a plotline. It just has to support a character, arc, subplot or whatever, Anon.
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>>87883388
>It just has to support a character, arc, subplot or whatever
Okay. So supporting any one of these elements to the exclusion of the others would be sufficient? So what would supporting a character, without supporting an arc, look like? Because like I said, merely giving a character depth is a pretty low bar to reach. You could write pretty much anything and it would show a new side of the character, and that would qualify as "purpose".
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>>87883466
>You could write pretty much anything and it would show a new side of the character, a
Debateable. And hard to explain.

I don't know, Anon, it's just a general guideline. Everything should have a narrative purpose. Narrative over audience pandering every time.
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>>87883515
Your attempt to minimize "entertainment value" as "pandering" has been noted.

Look, davekat doesn't fail because it doesn't serve a narrative. It serves a narrative perfectly well, it just might not be a narrative that you agree with. The reason davekat fails is because it has no cathartic value.
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>>87883559
>Your attempt to minimize "entertainment value" as "pandering" has been noted.
That's actually how I kind of feel about it, Anon.

Davekat serves zero narrative, Anon. It adds nothing to either of them, the plot, and it comes out of nowhere. The fuck you on about?
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>>87883590
Davekat exists to piss you off.
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>>87883590
Don't be obtuse. Davekat might be trite, uninspired, and lazy to the point of being insulting, but it is absolutely part of Dave's arc. As much as you want to deny it, Dave's arc is about rejecting norms of masculinity and heroism, and davekat is a contributing factor to that, and Dave says as much. I don't like it any more than you do, but we can't pretend that all that stuff isn't there.

You are right about one thing though... it does come out of nowhere. And that's what I'm talking about, with it lacking cathartic value. It wasn't given sufficient development for us to get emotionally involved. That's where it fails.
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>>87883632
Yeah, but you need to realize.

Fuck Karkat being reduced into Dave's girlfriend and support character #2. Hussie can go fuck himself.
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>>87883628
Rude.
>>87883632
>but it is absolutely part of Dave's arc.
No, it really isn't. It's barely even confirmed as a relationship. Fucking a dude doesn't reject a role of heroism? Maybe masculinity? But saying Dave was homophobic is a stretch and that's only rejecting it on a superficial level.

No, development has to do with its purpose and how effective the transition is, that's my problem. Hard to explain. Tired and shit, Anon.
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>>87883699
>Dave was homophobic is a stretch
He didn't even want to poke Karkat's dream projection because he thought it would be gay.
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>>87883722
I mean, it would kind of be. But nobody think that's a defining or even prominent characteristic of Dave and that's also not my entire point.
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>>87883754
How is a poke gay? I'm not talking about poking things with your dick.
During all the early acts Dave's method of counter-trolling involved getting on the troll's case for being gay. It's not so much that it was bad (Dave even says that he doesn't feel bad about it), just that it was a cover-up.
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>>87883830
I was joking.

OK, and? It's a minor thing still and it's a minor thing when it comes to masculinity as well.
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>>87883862
Minor or not, it's still part of Dave's arc, whether you like it or not.
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>>87883943
Anon, you're seriously grasping at straws here.
>Homophobia is a minor part of both Dave and masculinity.
>Somehow dating a guy is his arc.
That makes it a weak and shitty arc, Anon. Emotional connection or not.
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>>87883988
dating a guy isn't his arc but it supports his arc
and that's all it takes, right? The relationship has a purpose. It checks out.
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>>87884016
What else supports the arc, Anon? And, no, it's a shit purpose for the stated reasons. Having a purpose doesn't mean it's good automatically but it needs to a purpose to be good.

Why are you getting on my case for this, Anon?
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>>87884071
Stop moving the goalposts.
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>>87884216
I'm not. This is just a reasonable outlook on shit. I never outright said purpose necessarily equals good.
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>>87884071
>What else supports the arc
the monologues with dirk, reluctance to be a hero throughout the story, dave's persona blocking genuine relationships with others, including jade, etc.

davekat is not the ONLY possible outcome of everything pre-retcon, but the pieces are all there for a full arc where dave accepting his homosexuality is a not-insignificant component of learning to drop the facade and be sincere with others
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>>87884334
But the earlier parts in the story where Dave's reluctant to be a hero point otherwise.

And there's nothing really implying Dave just kind of gave up trying to be a hero or even be sincere besides being gay and having that chat. He generally seems the same. I don't know, Anon. I'm tired as fuck.
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>but Dave's arc
>muh Dave
>Dave's deep and complex story

>Karkat is literally Kanaya tier
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>>87884390
It was the whole reluctance in using time travel.
Go to bed, anon.
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>>87884390
look man I'm not saying the arc was handled well but that IS his arc

dave's fireside chat with dirk is the final word on the character, and contextualizes all of his previous actions, and davekat specifically serves that arc perfectly well

You're wrong about davekat not serving purpose. You have two options here, you can either not like the purpose the davekat serves, or not like davekat for a different reason. But davekat is absolutely not extraneous.
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>>87884466
I thought that was a sense of balancing himself and not fucking shit up.
>>87884475
I didn't say otherwise?

Not really?

I don't think I said it didn't serve a purpose, it just doesn't serve it well.
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>>87884504
No. It serves it well. You keep trying to argue that the purpose is dumb, but davekat serves it perfectly well, as dumb as it is.
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>>87884526
No, I'm not trying to argue the purpose is dumb. At least not completely. Davekat is just gay and that's kind of a tangential stretch to the whole masculinity thing. And if you want to extend it beyond that, I never got that the feeling that Dave's relationship with Karkat helped him be more genuine.
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>>87884565
That's not the point. It's not that davekat is supposed to change dave, it's that davekat is evidence that dave has changed in the first place. By admitting to himself that he's homosexual, he's cracked the coolkid persona he worked so hard to maintain. He says as much when he talks about those norms with John, and about how he feels he's grown past that. Davekat is also significant for his future development, since confessing to his friends is the next step for him. Davekat doesn't have to be the thing that solves Dave's problem for it to be extremely relevant to his arc.
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>>87884709
Regardless, Anon, my point still stands. It's still just a "gay" thing which feels kind of microscopic in scope. It doesn't convey that change well because it's literally just "gay"
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>>87884779
what the fuck are you talking about
how is coming out of the closet not a monumental event for any character
what the fuck is your perspective
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>>87884820
Something.
It feels pretty tiny, man.
I don't know what you mean by this.
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>>87884709
>it's that davekat is evidence that dave has changed in the first place
This was happening naturally throughout acts 4 and 5. The way Dave handled problems in round-about ways, actively avoiding the responsibility that came with pulling swords out of things and realizing that the amazing superpowers he gained in the medium actually just made him a slave to the timeline where any deviation would result in the death of him and his friends. That's what characterized Dave. His cool kid persona was as imparted upon him as his job was in the medium and its honestly one of the most subtle, nuanced ways to characterize someone I've ever read.

It just sucks how setting up a gay romance as his victory and absolution over his past isn't nearly as interesting, well written, or personal as the quality that went into setting Dave up in the first place.
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>>87884779
>>87884875
It sounds like you're minimizing it out of personal bias instead of looking at it objectively from a narrative perspective.
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>>87884875
if all you can say is that you "feel" like you're right then there's nothing else to discuss

>>87884882
I mean yeah I don't disagree
davekat is dumb and boring but it's not a non-sequitor, it's a perfectly reasonable conclusion to dave's arc
and it's not like davekat couldn't have been interesting either, but all it amounted to was some very lazy last-minute moralizing
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>>87884912
No, I'm not? Narratively, it feels pretty tiny. Being gay didn't seem like the biggest thing in the world for Dave.
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>>87884948
I mean, I already said why, Anon. Don't make me feel like an idiot. Being gay's not a huge part of masculinity nor Dave and him admitting it feels kind of limp narratively. Why do you have to make feel stupid with that?
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>>87884950
>Being gay didn't seem like the biggest thing in the world
it doesn't have to be, dumbass, why are you so fixated on this
I already said it, davekat is not the ultimate point of dave's arc, it's a SUPPORTING factor
dave didn't obsess over homosexuality BUT he did obsess over things that prevented him from admitting he was a homosexual
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>>87884990
Please don't call me a dumbass.

I know but I'm just saying that because of that it didn't convey the development well. Stop yelling at me.
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>>87885015
he explained it in the story
dave literally said "it's dumb to be homophobic and I didn't realize that before but I do now"
the onus was not on davekat alone to convey dave's arc
as I said
davekat is only one supporting factor, albeit a significant one
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>>87885058
I know, Anon. I know it's a supporting factor but I don't think it conveyed the development well. How many times do I have to repeat myself? Please don't insult me anymore.
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>>87885083
as I said
the onus was not on davekat alone to convey dave's arc
it did everything it needed to
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>>87885112
I know, Anon but I still respectfully disagree.
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>>87885140
jesus christ man what are you doing to me
it should be illegal to talk like this to autistic dudes
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THAT I JUST FOUND
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>>87885176
What am I doing? Am I the autistic one here?
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>>87885058
But we've never seen him be homophobic. Sure, he called people gay, but he never ripped on anyone for specifically being gay. Karkat hitting on John is a good example; he just makes fun of him for the hypocrisy of telling them to stop hitting on Vriska and Terezi and then immediately doing the same to both Jade and John.

If he ever found out another character was gay, and then showed any kind of discomfort or disinterest outside of his regular jokes and trolling that explicitly pointed to him being homophobic because he was raised to be, that'd be a different story, but as it is, there just isn't anything there to say that, if Dave decided he was gay before entering the Medium or doing any of his character growth, he wouldn't just accept it, own it, and if it ever gets brought up in conversation, turn it into another joking insult to throw at the other person and considering Bro made snuff puppet porn and was more interested in teaching Dave to handle himself in a fight than his sexuality as far as we saw, there's no reason for us to believe he would care either.

I just don't see how Dave being gay fits into the character arc we saw.
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Man, I hate Roxy and Dave more and more now.
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>>87881062
you've killed my father deserves this title tbqh
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>>87885256
Why?
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>>87885286
Why do you think that, Anon?
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>>87885255
Because toxic masculinity or something.
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>>87885176
>>87885255
See? He agrees. :D
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>>87885255
>there just isn't anything there to say that, if Dave decided he was gay before entering the Medium or doing any of his character growth, he wouldn't just accept it, own it
you mean except for the multiple occasions in post-retcon where dave had extreme difficulty owning his homosexuality in front of his peers
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>>87884459
>Karkat is literally an accessory now for Dave's """character growth"""
Kill me.
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>>87885790
>Fujoshits ruined Homestuck
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>>87886252
girls ruin everything.

homestuck is just another corpse in a grave
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>>87885255
You're putting logical progression over canon. Yes, it would have made more sense (and been ten times less fucking awful to read) for Dave to be open about whatever the hell sort of queermosexuality he's on about, make a few jokes to make Karkat uncomfortable, something like that, but this is a story written by a guy. A guy who laid out a very thick and obvious monologue about how Dave wasn't willing to accept any sort of homosexual feelings because of "toxic masculinity".

It's stupid, sure, but it's Hussie's story, and he fucked it up however he chose, and he obviously chose Dave to have repressed homosexuality at the eleventh hour.
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>>87886328
What I don't get is why he made dave gay while simultaneously having him making freudian slips towards rose and roxy
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Does John live alone?
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>>87886363
Near as I can tell, Dave is bi. But who knows, it's all fucking stupid anyway.
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>>87886363
let's not forget "john's hot mom"
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>>87886419
Obviously yes.
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>>87886422
that is fucking stupid yeah
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>>87886439
how much of his day does he spend crying?
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>>87886512
Don't be silly. John ran out of tears long ago. Now he just wishes he could feel anything at all.
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>>87886558
Poor John.
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>>87886558
>implying Terezi and John don't fuck regularly
She always goes back to John's house for a good fuck, food and then continues her search for Vriska.

It's headcanon shit, but at least it would be a good smutfic idea that respects canon.
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>>87886558
what does he even do all day?

He probably hangs out with Jade occasionally, and with everyone else on holidays, but he's probably alone most of the time
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>>87887065
Same thing as before SBURB. he just kind of puts around his home, watching bad movies, playing games, maybe doing a little coding. The only difference is that now his Dad is gone, and he's not as close with his friends as he was back then.

The note that desolation plays is simply louder now.
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John is sad. Tell him something to cheer him up.
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>>87887188
Scourgecest is endgame
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>>87887188
Don't worry man, because no matter how bad things get, someday you will find the sweet release of death!

Oh... wait...
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>>87887188
Look at the bright side, at least you aren't a slave like Karkat.
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john/aradia presently has a better chance of becoming canon than johnroxy
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would roxy and rose redeem themselves if they bounced on john's dick?
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>>87876869
Game Over, despite looking and sounding cool, was the exact moment I stopped caring

I watched with a friend, who said after that maybe he should try reading
I told him maybe not
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>>87887912
Nah
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>>87887912
No, but a threesome with two similar-looking girls is god tier.
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Andrew Hussie is a self-loathing betacuck numale whose been emotionally castrated by Halftruth and literally castrated by IPGD. All of his friends and employees are SJWs who demonize men and it comes through in his writing of all male Homestuck characters been wimpy and emotionally broken and the female characters as strong independent women who don't need no man.
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>>87889377
>All of his friends and employees are SJWs who demonize men
The worst in this category are men themselves, too.
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I love Johnrezi until Nussie shits on that pairing as well!
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>>87889377
>literally
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>>87889632
JohnTerezi is bad and you should feel bad. It somehow has even less than JohnRoxi going on.
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>>87890685
Hey, at least it's better than Karezi or Scourgecest.
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>>87889377
rude
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>>87891704
>those lips
she's just black at this point
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>>87891743
Hey, at least those lips can suck a good dick
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>>87891743
Nothing wrong with that, long as she's pretty
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>always weird african Jade
>never qt hawaiian jade
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>>87892006
non-white kids still bother me
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>>87892141
Could be worse, always worse.
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What did she mean by THIS?
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>>87892151
I hope Jade is played by a skinny white girl in the TV show, just to shut these people up
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>s-she is talking about Gamzee!
Why does Hussie hate Karkat so fucking much?
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>>87893227
this panel is extra dumb because the text doesn't even look like writing on a wall, it just looks like its written over the panel
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Literally the last 8 replies are shitposts step up your game or leave.
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>>87893280
This panel is extra extra dumb because it makes Terezi switch from one codependency to another.
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>>87893227
What was hst's reaction to that? Jesus fuck, I bet it was brutal.
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>>87893517
By that point most people had lost faith in Hussie
Vriskagram was just the final nail in the coffin
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>>87893227
>there are people too dense to think it's not referring to all the boys on the meteor
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>>87893541
Is Vriskagram the worst flash?
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>>87893672
She put the fucking message after her chat with Karkat. If she wanted to not date all the boys on the meteor, she would have send John on the part where she chats with Dave and tries to investigate.
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>>87893302
There's literally nothing to talk about other than waiting to see Cohen's next fuckup. /hst/ is basically /doag/ with a larger artillery of memes.
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>>87893906
We'll probably get a Thanksgiving update, right
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Is this pre-retcon Karkat's reward for not joining Meenah's army and not get a better girlfriend?
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>>87894144
People who care about karkat are at least twice as pathetic as everyone else in these threads

and that includes katnep anon
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>>87893754
>Character pretty much nobody likes comes back to life
>Said character fixes most of everyone's problems simply by existing
>Said character acts extremely out of character to fix all other problems
>A lot of previous characterization for many characters is gone
>Alcoholism is solved by smacking the bottle out of an alcoholic's hand
>Two guys who were previously friends are suddenly gay for each other with no build up or reason given
>Character that has dependency issues switches from one codependency to another and this is deemed perfectly ok
>Flash sullies one of the better Homestuck tracks by playing it in the background while all of the above is presented to us
Yea probably.
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>>87893906
Then leave.
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>>87893754
Only icels-tier people argue otherwise.
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>>87894174
>People who care about a beloved character for seven years are at least twice as pathetic
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>>87894320
if you cared about anyone in homestuck past 2012, you're autistic
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>>87894174
>>87894361
How can I be edgy like this tool, hst?
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>>87894395
>not liking your favorite character in a webcomic makes people edgy
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>>87894189
>Alcoholism is solved by smacking the bottle out of an alcoholic's hand
Surprised more people aren't offended by this.
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>>87894456
no one is offended because it made way for the fandom's resident favorite dyke pairing to stay canon
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>>87893754

at that point hussie didn't seem like he was writing for anybody besides some phantom of teenness

content from later was sometimes worse but that was transposed through walls of text
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>>87894456
Most homestuck fans are teenage white girls who haven't had to deal with that shit.
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>>87894189
>Character that has dependency issues switches from one codependency to another and this is deemed perfectly ok
this might actually be the worst part, it feels like he just looked at people's love of the scourge sisters in the fandom and decided to make it that way without considering how it would actually work
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>>87894543
I hope this shit pairing happens and you get fucked over, Katnep anon.
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>>87894586
Well I did say worst flash, not worst page.
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>>87894649
What's the worst page?
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>>87894672
Probably Dave's toxic masculinity ones
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>>87887188
why did you wear my goddamn hat
of fucking course you are going to be sad for eternity
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>>87894672
Not this one for sure.
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>>87894672
this page wouldn't get so much flak if it didn't do that goofy zoom in
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>>87881009
Vriska was never an antagonist.
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>>87880750
Not a bad idea actually.
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>>87880813
TavJade. Anon, you know that's the only way for both of them.
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>>87895276
Jade is for Dave, Tavros is for irrelevance and death.
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>>87895276
>Tavros
>With literally anyone
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>>87895276
>TavJade

No.
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>>87895302
I haven't seen any non-ironic DaveJade shipper since 413.
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>>87895437
I don't know most DaveJade shippers who ship it ironically
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>>87895437
Isn't it pretty much canon. She lives with him.
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You reactionary wusses turning against Roxy and John/Roxy after the collapse of the empire continues to be pathetic
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>>87895544
honestly it just proves roxy doesn't have a lot of value besides shipping
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>>87895559
Nonsense. Both Lalondes are best girl (we are ignoring Act 6 Rose) and neither of them had any competition.
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>>87895559
do any hs characters?
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>>87895437
Most aren't non-ironic
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>>87895591
According to Cohen, head writer of HomestuckTM, no.
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>>87895591
Rose used to
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>>87895536
Why does Karkat have Dave's arms?
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>>87895659
He lost his own.
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>>87895590
I'm so sorry for your terrible taste. My heart goes out to your family.
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>>87895693
No need to be so hard on yourself.
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Jade "Homewrecker" Harley
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>>87895799
Jade being a literal homewrecker because she tore up the couch and chewed Dave's slippers
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>>87895799
Maybe if Karkat wasn't such a shitty boyfriend Dave wouldn't have left him.
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have this
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>>87896077
No thanks
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>>87896077
>That mouth

Naw, I'm good.
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>>87896129
Why not
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>>87896189
>not liking full lips
I thought that was the one thing everyone liked about Rose
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>>87896243
I thought it was Rose's hot butt
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>>87896243
That's not what full lips look like. That's not what lips look like.
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>>87896388
Why did you post a picture of a gamzee cosplay
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>>87896395
No, that's the Jade from that image cosplaying as Caesar Romero's Joker. You can tell by the horribly disfigured mouth that it's her.
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>>87896452
JOKESTUCK

Romero Joker, Nicholson Joker, Ledger Joker, and Leto Joker play Sburb
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>>87896077
Why is she so perky
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"Doesn't he ever leave his office??? PS: Leave office and go solve some crimes already! Jesus!!!"

I probably should have listened to those people, because after all they are right. A story about a man trying to leave his office for a solid year can only turn out HORRRRRIIIIIBLY.

This is going to sound like an oxymoron coming from the author of a user-driven story, but taking input from readers too seriously can be a dangerous thing. They just don't know what they're talking about. They have expectations for a story which are grounded in the familiar. A story about a hard boiled detective? Of course he's going to be leaving his office and solving crimes on the mean streets! That's what those stories are supposed to be about! Anything off that template produces the sort of aggravation voiced in the above "command", and is a signal of the story's failure. It's up to the author to prove otherwise, but that takes time. And once it finally is proven, that reader tends to be grateful his advice wasn't heeded! Assuming he remembers his original complaint, which of course is seldom.
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