Would this fan-work be a good modern day redesign of Betty Boop?

>>87735525
Of course, because it's not a fan work, Stephen DeStefano is actually one of the storyboarder artist of the Mickey Mouse shorts.

He's a huge Fleischer fan.

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>>87735813
Oh wow, Stephen did these? I saw 'em on Twitter awhile back, had no idea.

I'd love new Betty Boop shorts ala the Mickey ones, I don't want her to be doomed to a life of steering wheel covers and stickers.

as long as there's innocent sexiness it's all good.

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>>87735813
He also did this.

Doesn't it still count as fan art since he's not officially working with Fleischer?

>>87736082
>Betty Boop
>Innocent
Watch the short "Betty Boop's Big Boss"

>>87736131
Yes it's a fan art, but made by an experienced artist who worked for many shows.

>>87735525
if by "good" you mean appeal to the general audience? Then no
if by "good" you mean appeal to nostalgia fags, then probably

who else here had a crush on Betty Boop

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>>87736616
Everyone should.

>>87736616
Your Grandpa or maybe your great-grandpa.
It's basically proto-animes.

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>>87736616
I do.

Over the last few years I've been a little obsessive looking up fan art, re-watching her cartoons and listening to her songs (even though Helen Kane is singing them).

It's not easy being a fan of a character who is all but dead to modern audiences.

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Grim Natwick - Betty Boop's original artist.

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Reminder that Betty Boop is getting a new animated series by 2018.

http://deadline.com/2016/02/betty-boop-animated-series-max-fleischer-1201700613/

I've been wanting to draw some Betty Boop lately. Any suggestions?

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>>87736982
Umm.... Betty Boop dressed as Chel from El Dorado?

>>87736982
Betty Boop and Toot dancing the Charleston? Or performing a Catfight?

Would a Betty Boop cartoon work in modern times?

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>>87735525
A design isn't enough. It'd take a creative team who knows what made Betty great in order to giver her a well-deserved reboot.

Ideally,
- Keep the sex appeal dial high enough to stick to her iconic design, but low enough to where it won't trigger soccer Moms and feminists. Don't nerf it too much, otherwise you'll just repeat what happened when Hayes took effect, which was ultimately what caused the decline in her popularity. A character can be classy and sexy at the same time.
- Keep the story simple and fun. The cartoons always had a very surreal, almost dream like atmosphere, especially in the ones Cab Calloway sung in. The best parts about Betty Boop were the animation (it's Fleischer after all) and songs/music, and those were the medium for telling a story.
- On that note, the songs shouldn't reek of modern pandering. Bettys an icon of her era, keep it that way. When she tried to get into Swing music, it didn't quite boost her popularity enough to keep her going.
- Loads of fan winks and callbacks. Cab Calloway references, all the core characters like Koko and Bimbo, and later characters like Sally Swing and Grampy. Maybe throw in some references to other Fleischer shorts.

tl;dr do the exact same thing the 2013+ Mickey Mouse shorts are doing

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>>87739017
This guy knows what he's talking about.

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Betty Boop never got an animated movie in the 90s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjjQhLRbu-w

She has a lovely body but her head reads as a butt to me every time

>>87736767
The Hays Code nerfed poor Betty and the introduction of Jessica Rabbit kinda added salt to the wound

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>>87740845
I love that one.

>>87741040
WHOA

>>87739017
NEVER put in Fearless Fred. The guy killed Betty once before

>>87741040
Nice.

>>87741169
Yeah, Betty don't need no love interest.

>>87741169
>>87742289
Just have him be a parody of his former self, something tongue in cheek to make some humor out of him instead of just sweeping him under a rug and pretending he never happened.

>>87739017
>tl;dr do the exact same thing the 2013+ Mickey Mouse shorts are doing
my nigga

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There's a new Betty Boop comic published by Dynamite

>>87735525

I like Betty Boop, but the way her head is normally drawn bothers me.

>>87735813
I was just thinking it reminded me of the recent Mickey shorts.

>>87741040
Niccccce.

In her first appearance, she sang a song literally about wanting to fuck. Innocent sluts are best characters.

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>>87736616
>had
>im-fucking-plying I ever stopped
>>87736731
Pretty sure I first found out about her in the 80s with one of those 5 hours of classic cartoons tapes (it was a 3 pack).

>>87736888
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=876lLIaWPHs
>constant tweens
>but some okay frame-by-frame here and there
I'M NOT SURE I'M OKAY WITH THIS

>>87735525
As far as we get Cab Calloway songs included, count me in!

https://youtu.be/8mq4UT4VnbE

>>87744316
>she was a low-down hoochie coocher
What did he mean by this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQ_R8QBeYvs

>>87744756
Wasn't that already debunked?

>>87744316
Well he's dead so it may be a lil hard to get him in.

Honestly I wouldn't mind getting modern singers who are willing to do old school kinda music to guest star.
Maybe a kinda Postmodern Jukebox remix of their own work.

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>>87744756
>The image above is not Esther Jones aka “Baby Esther,” the African-American singer of the late 1920s, whose singing style inspired Max Fleischer‘s popular animated character Betty Boop.
>A curious Tumblr user found that image above is actually a photo of a model known only as Olya, taken in 2008 by a Russian-based studio, Retro Atelier. Take a look at more from the photo series below.
Hmmm
>Now it’s one thing to see inaccuracy circulating thanks to a misinformed Instagram user, numerous Facebook pages or Tumblr blogs, but now it has been republished by HelloBeautiful‘s Lifestyle Editor Danielle Young, who jumped right onto the wagon.
>The caption attached to the photo of Olya, however, is true. Esther Jones was a regular performer at Harlem’s infamous Cotton Club, where a white American singer/actress named Helen Kane saw her act in 1928 and copied Jones’ “baby” singing style for a recording of “I Wanna Be Loved By You.”
>In June 1930, Kane starred in Malcolm St. Clair‘s comedy film titled Dangerous Nan McGrew, alongside Victor Moore and James Hall. A few months later in August 1930, Betty Boop made her first appearance in Dizzy Dishes, the sixth installment in Fleischer’s Talkartoon series.
More in next post.

>>87744851
>In May 1932, Kane filed a $250,000 lawsuit against Fleischer and Paramount, which stated that “Betty Boop’s ‘boop-oop-a-doop’ style constituted a ‘deliberate caricature’ that gave her ‘unfair competition.'”
>Kane’s suit fell apart in 1934 when her manager testified that they had seen Jones’ act together in April 1928, and that Kane began to “boop” a few weeks later.
>Additionally, as Jill Fields notes in her 2007 book — An Intimate Affair: Women, Lingerie, and Sexuality, theatrical manager Lou Bolton testified for the defense revealing that “in 1925, he coached a ‘young negro child’ named Esther, teaching her how to interpolate her songs with scat lyrics which she later re-purposed into her trademark ‘boop oop a doop.'”
>It was ruled that Kane was not the originator of the ‘baby’ singing style and lost the lawsuit.
LOL
Good going, Kane.

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>>87744861
Also, for reference, here is the actual "Baby" Esther Jones.
She's a cutie.

>>87744898
I'd give her doop something to boop about ...
Idk if that even remotely sounds as sexual as I was going for.

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>>87745448
Remember, anon.

>>87739017
>Sally Swing

YES please. She could do anything she liked to me. *fans self off*

>>87739017
>- Loads of fan winks and callbacks. Cab Calloway references, all the core characters like Koko and Bimbo, and later characters like Sally Swing and Grampy. Maybe throw in some references to other Fleischer shorts.

That sort of describes the new comic books from Dynamite (Sally and Grampy both in, along with Bimbo and Koko), though the art style is kind of wrong for the characters.

Good art, but looks odd for them—a little too realistic, so the realistically proportioned Koko and Sally come out OK but the others, including Betty, are a bit peculiar.

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>>87745448
Turned me on, anon.

>>87745718
Cartoon Research link? If theres anything that the Hays Office did is age her up a bit.

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>>87739017
>>87745911
Her VA said that she had done 6 cartoons, and one of them is supposedly lost media, but it seems there were only 2 known works with Sally. Either she had done the VAs before they got cancelled, or, as she herself said, doesn't remember everything about it. She was only 15 at the time, and had done some other cartoon work, so it's also possible she got them mixed up with her Sally voice work. This being from her 2002 book, so that's a pretty big gap, so I guess her memory of it wouldn't be perfect.
Seems she was based slightly on Betty Grable's look and Martha Raye's dancing along with the other swing of the time. This was changed from the original model sheet where she looked a bit different from her final version.
I tried to find stuff on youtube, but couldn't see Martha dancing, just slightly moving her arms a bit, which doesn't really count. I guess there's this, but it's not much: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhMRO6bMSb8

In other news, this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxPRXfdkoNw&t=3m25s
Holy shit, I don't care if that's her or a stunt double, you could rip all sorts of muscle fibers with this.

Semi-related to the music and dancing of the time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5u5nxnroro (skip to 2:45 for the dancing, but the music part is amusing too.)
Wow, man. I thought that stuff from Tom and Jerry was just overexaggerated parody. People actually danced like this.

>>87744825
You mean something like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tT6Cl1slJbI

>>87747465
More like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWnWwN1z_UM

>>87745971
Story time?

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Why Betty refuse to finish her HASENPFEFFER?

Why does her head branch off into two distinct cheeks? It really messes me up

>>87751632
She used to be a dog and those were her dog cheeks.

When they made her human all they did was get rid of the ears and the button nose.

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Boop Boop Boopi Doop

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>>87754175
I should've known you'd be here

>>87735525
I wouldn't even call that a redesign. It's just the classic design drawn in a slightly different style.

When does Betty Boop hit public domain, anyway? Did she get created before or after Mickey and will they keep extending copyright on her along with him?

>>87755921
>No eyeshadow

Almost perfect. ALSO woulda prefered Poivert.

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>>87756215
She was created in 1930, two years after that goddamn mouse.
and looked like pic related.

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>>87758000
pretty cool
you made this?

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>>87758059
Nope. Made by someone called official-shitlord.

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A Betty Boop show made like the Twisted Tales of Felix the cat could works? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXBIdEfxccA

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https://vimeo.com/20217629

>>87758768
Sauce?

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Nobody thinks to put scans of this comic on the internet? if yes, where could i download it?

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>>87758943
A Deviantartist called "OutOfTheToonStudios".
For some reason the artist has dropped off the face of the earth and the account is gone.
Shame, I would of loved to see more.

>>87759088
Is there an uncensored version of that picture?

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>>87759109
Nope, probably not.

>>87736131
No one is working with Fleischer because the Fleischer bros are dead and their studio went bankrupt during their lifetime. All Betty Boop art by your standards would be fan work.

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>The censors all protest
>because she's practically undressed.

http://watchcartoonsonline.eu/watch/animaniacs-s3-ep-11-dots-entertainment-girl-googily-goop-gunga-dot/

>>87758562
>static head
Fucking third strike all over again.

>>87758800
Is milton knight even animating anymore?

>>87758860
Quit shilling this garbage.

>>87760675
what's wrong?

>>87737590
In either scenario, Toot would kill Betty in no time flat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBQVV6u0RMQ

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Curse you, Hays Code!

>>87742861
>fat rolls
To what end?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6k8yyrMdlyU

>>87764691
A normal head shape that isn't a parted loaf really works miracles for her

>>87756301
>and looked like pic related.

GOD she's ugly. I take it she got more appealing fast, but how could she possibly make a popular hit in her first films when she was THAT ugly?

>>87766279
She became more cute and human after some shorts, also her first hit who popularized the character was "Minnie the Moocher" on 1932, before that she was just the girlfriend of Bimbo the dog, who was the main character of Fleischer shorts and pretty much an attempt to compete against Mickey.

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>>87736003
>salary??

>>87735566
>>87735536
>>87735525
These look cool, but honestly they look more modernized without her style in mind. I mean the whole "cartoons are much more simplistic in design today" argument comes to mind.
Regardless, I think what people will fall off on is it wouldn't be a very successful reboot without a proper amount of modernization elsewhere. I haven't watched her stuff in years, but iirc she has a very 1 dimensional personality and is only really known for having a hot body in the show. That being said idk if it has any place in today's culture (unless you give it to Spike TV...) . I see it going one of two ways
>Integrate her to today's society complete with culture, technology, and mannerisms of 21st century girls
This will most likely result in the same effect the PPG reboot did and suck ass due to how shitty today's culture has become for the youthful and would just feel like shoehorning present day in a classic (ironically despite the fact people hate it, that's simultaneously the whole point of rebooting someone who's rich with pop culture).
OR
>Keep her classic design and, even if it has more up to date society, low key it
This is one thing I think the Mickey Mouse cartoons did right, they really did not play up the differences between society then and now. It might feel off but I think that would be the best approach, especially if you want a reboot to entice the same feelings as the original works did.
But then again this is all my opinion. Anyone feel me on this?

>>87735525
looks cool

I think nobody remembers the fact that she is a minor

>>87769547
She is and always will be.

>>87760639
He should. Huge Milton Knight fan. I remember browsing his website all the time when I was in high school.

>>87766766
Much like Mickey Mouse, Betty boop was just more of a jack of all trades. You could put her into any role and she'd be competent or at least tolerated in it. And Also she's hot. Which is more of a character than Mickey or Felix had. It wouldn't be very hard to make a cartoon out of that if they made it in the style of shorts.

>>87772176
>implying Mickey isn't hot
>implying you don't want him to teabag you with his Mickey Mouse ballsack, which happens to look just like his ears, and also follows their rule of perspective