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I seriously only voted for Trump because of this shit to hap

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I seriously only voted for Trump because of this shit to happen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YenrYYJ2HM

Anyone else hyped for the next episode?
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>>87695742
>I seriously only voted for Trump because of this shit to happen

You're a stupid fucking idiot, even by Trump supporter standards.
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Huh, so he's not under control of the Member Berries no more
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>>87695770
Could also be the longer someone is under their control the less robotic they act. Jenner wasn't acting like a pod person... or at least I didn't think so. Hard to tell with that perpetual slur they got going on.
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>>87695767

How does it feel to know my vote is worth just as much as yours? I just wanted my favorite show to have something fun to joke about

Anyways, how do you guys think they'll balance the persona of both mr Garrison and Trump for the next four years?
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Can't help but feel happy for mr Garrison, all the shit he's gone through and now everyone kisses his ass

A bonus is that his new role might just have saved South park

Good job, OP, I would also vote for Trump if I lived in USA
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>>87695890
If you live in a swing state actually your vote is worth a lot more.
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>>87696150

Then you might just be be delighted to hear that I'm a proud resident in the great state of Florida
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>>87695767
Obama was overhyped by people's expectations and hope for the first black president. 8 years later and I can't say things have really changed much for the general populace.

Likewise, Trump is probably not going make too many changes besides Obamacare and deportation of illegal immigrant convicts. All we can do now is wait and see, and in the mean time, there's going to be a lot of fun parodies to watch like South Park.
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>>87696294

A.k.a mr Garrison

For me, it was a choise between (mr Garrison) or Harambe

But the meme value of Harambe had already gone down too much so (mr Garrison) is what I went with
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>>87696345
Well he did already prevent WWIII. So we can thank him for not getting us nuked.
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>>87695890
>they'll balance the persona of both mr Garrison and Trump
They don't need to balance anything. garrison has always been a dynamic character. he doesn't really have a fixed personality.

>dorky puppet teacher, but other than that, pretty normal
>psycho who talks to puppet
>super repressed mega gay man closeted to himself
>openly gay male
>Mrs. Garrison
>Transexual lesbian
>right-wing heterosexual transexual
>right wing cis-male
>trump satire
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>>87696379
>he fell for the russia meme
retard
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>>87696379
Yep, now we all just have to brush up on our Russian to prepare for our new overlords. Trump's handin' over the keys.
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>>87696392

I don't wanna die with all these kickass South park episodes coming up
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I didn't vote
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>>87695742
>>87695767
>>87695890
You stupid fuck votes don't mean anything the electoral college is the only voting body that matters and the popular vote is precisely dick.
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>>87696392
>Buying into the medias lies about how bad hurricanes are down here.

Funny. I remember as a kid a whole bunch of us would meet up at someones house and hold onto trash bags on our skateboards. Shit was the funnest thing to do during hurricanes.
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>>87696421
This, Putin will be rolling over Washington with those soviet era tanks any day now.
Thankfully I already carved 'Wolverines' into the gun that I don't own because I don't believe in them.
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>>87696421
>>87696506
You're so stupid, I'm surprised you remember to breathe
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>>87696466

If votes doesn't mean anything then how come PC principal calls mr Garrison President?
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>>87696408
>everything is a meme lolololol
retard
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>>87695767
>tfw living in Pennsylvania
>tfw voting Trump for entertainment purposes
hehehehe
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>>87696421
>get taken over by Russia
>Putin makes both go full Communist
>Russo-American Alliance takes over world and all live in harmony

Just as he planned
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>>87696408
Anon, I don't know what to say. The wiki leaks are a thing, you can see exactly what Clinton had to say about Russia. If you don't want to educate yourself and live inside your little bubble about what's happening because you're afraid of your ideals being wrong, that's your problem. So until you can get your head out of your ass you can fuck off.

>>87696421
Putin knows what our navy can do, he's smart enough not to push any bounds considering we out class them in every aspect. Also considering how their economy is tied to ours, so even if he did do something like that, it would be damaging his country just as much as ours. If anything Putin handed over the keys to Russia over to Trump.
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>>87696530
That was a cartoon, anonymous.
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>>87696527
I just hope you know how to say cyka blyat, the common pleasantry in Russian to say 'Please don't rape me with your bayonet you manly cossack".
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>>87696431
That's okay, friend. It was your choice not to, just know that you really don't have the right to complain about anything.
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>>87696345
>Won't change much

While I didn't like Obama he was pretty much reined in by the House and Senate being republican controlled. Trump on the other hand wants to put term limits on senate and he'll get to appoint 2-3 Justices in the next 4 years.

These are good things and you should be happy for not having the neocon warhawk bombing Russian allies as a "showing of strength"
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>>87695795
>libcuck
Do you even know what board you're on?
If you're not a liberal who lives everything diverse then you don't belong here and should fuck off to /pol/
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Both candidates were shit and I only voted for Hillary because I trusted her slightly more than I did Trump. This election was one of the shittiest, most cancerous elections I have ever witnessed and by the end of it I have to endure either annoying faggot Democrats gloating over Hillary or obnoxious shithead Republicans gloating over Trump winning.

But life goes on and neither Hillary or Trump would have been the destruction of America no matter what either side tells you. The one bit of satisfaction I got over this election was getting to see SJWs piss and moan over Trump winning. Which is very satisfying to see them so butthurt.
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>>87695742
Wow, they're not taking the week off?

I thought for sure they'd need at least two weeks to figure out how to salvage the storyline after getting last week so wrong.
Hope they came up with a good fix.

>>87695770
Nah, sounds like he's still under control, but now just with more of actual Garrison mixed in.
The original plan was probably to have Garrison inciting riots after having lost due to member berries, but ultimately just be a means to spread them.
Now, instead, they have the member berries in control and Garrison is gonna get more focus more likely.

I wonder if the Member Berries will work on PC Principal.
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>>87696566

So he doesn't have freedom of speech? I thought this was America

>>87696555

It is a cartoon*
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>>87696558
You are so mad!
>>87696583
>le both candidates were shitty meme
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>>87696466
Except the popular vote in each state decides how the electoral college votes retard.
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>Americucks still huffing cold war bullshit prop

The only difference between Russia and the US is the latter has more territorial influence. They're not the RED MENACE meme you got tricked into.
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>>87696583
I was with you until the last bit where you turned into a 14 year old.
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>>87696625
B-B-But Hillary said so!
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>>87696618
It doesn't, electorates vote entirely independently.
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I don't get what the fuss is all about, why are you not happy that one of the best character in South park is president?
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>>87696610
Mad with fear of our future Russian oligarchs.

we're like the resistance, man. We're gonna go underground and write poor-quality posts on the darknet about how great we are for not voting Trump when the red scourge comes.

>>87696625
ft. Russian Spy. Tell me what temperature your Borshe is this time of year.
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>>87696625
Except Russian politics are increasingly religious and centered around one man. Also Russia is literally invading countries for their land.
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>>87696546
Like I said you are a retard who fell for the russia meme.
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>>87696610
They were both the most unfavorable candidates ever in American history.

>>87696634
SJWs are shit.
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>>87696583
Honestly, if they weren't doing this whole storyline thing,
I feel this year they could have just done a rerun/mix of the "Vote or Die" and "Election Impossible" episodes and gotten by perfectly.

>>87696610
They were.
Trump far less so than Hillary, sure, but he's still shitty.
Hillary was a horrible person with horrible ideas
Trump's a pretty bad person with meh at best ideas.
And no, I don't mean "DUR HE'S A RACIST".
I mean he's a pathological liar that gets way too heated over shit and never fact checks anything he says or does.
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>>87696625
Liberals spent the last 3 years trying to rekindle the cold war.

Russia may not be interested in killing all of you but Hillary was heavily invested in making people feel that way. She's a warhawk that went up on stage and said she wanted to shoot Russian planes out of the sky under a UN enforced no fly zone.
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>>87696660
So they're literally exactly the USA.
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>>87696650
And the last time enough members of the college voted against what their state pledged them to to actually change the outcome of an election was?

If you honestly are too young and/or stupid to understand the concept of "precedent", then you should stop posting.
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>he voted for Hilary
I was fine for people not wanting to vote at all or voting third party but you're a legit moron if you voted for Hilary

I'm still seeing people say Trump is racist despite him not saying anything overtly racist ever. That and le epic cheetoh or orange jokes.

Like rats struggling to dog paddle
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>>87696681
>US growing ever more secular
>Russia growing ever more religious

>They're the same because by my European standards US is still religious!

God damn it. I'm really tired of this shit.
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>>87695890
Depending on where you live vs where he lives, your vote could be worth somewhere between 1/3rd to 3x his because the electoral college is shit.
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>>87696596
You can complain, people will just think you're retarded and won't want to put up with you.
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>>87696704
>you're a legit moron if you voted for Hilary
they probably just thought she might be better than someone with no experience.
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Threadly reminder that "Cartman" is actually an ad and the real Cartman is still out there, planning his comeback. He's going to be the wild card that steps in at the very end and saves the day.
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>>87696379
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>>87696680
This is true, though it comes right out of the Obama presidency and by extension the administrations prior. I'm not a Shillarist nor a Liberal (classical, neo-, or American Democrat) if that's what you're implying.
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>>87696661
And like I said, you're the sheep who refuses to search for the truth. But it's okay, go back to listening and believing.

>>87696666
I have nothing to say to you, I just wanted to congratulate you on those sexy quads
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>>87696730
>he's never seen puss
he's just a kid who was blinded by mars man
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>>87696734
Funny joke, which Tumblr blog did you parrot it from?
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>>87696738
>And like I said, you're the sheep who refuses to search for the truth. But it's okay, go back to listening and believing.
I have. We were never going to go to war under hillary power hungry as she is. People saying that are as fear mongering as people saying trump is gonna kill all the mexicans/muslims/lgbt's. So again t for falling for the russian meme retard
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>>87695890
>How does it feel to know my vote is worth just as much as yours?
>Americans actually believe this.
Only a few American votes actually count because of your electoral college.
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>>87696704
Hillary's like a white super-predator.
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>there are people out there who like Stan.
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>>87695742
Are they rewriting the entire rest of the season?
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>>87696566
I'm not complaining at all
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>>87696715
The US isn't secular by any standard, even if it's "increasingly" secular. This is the country that evokes God (specifically the Christian God) at least twice in every sporting event. The deciding factor in Trump's election was he was able to fool the Evangelicals into believing he'd rekindled his faith. But I don't really care about the religiosity of the politics so much as they're both inherently autocratic systems interested in empire at the expense of everything else.
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>>87696580
who died and named you the king of the pigpen?
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>>87696824
>I'm honestly surprised /co/mblr isn't a dead board due to mass suicides thanks to God Emperor Trump.
>he fell for the tumblr is all sjw's meme
it's less of a hivemind than here that's for sure. I'm on there just for the porn and the only time I see SJW's its people btfoing them
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>>87696851
you are thanks for admitting it
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>Your daily derailed South Park thread due to someone throwing a fit because people didn't vote for [Insert your favored candidate]
This season was a mistake. Burn it down and try again from the start.
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>>87695767
I knew I'd get to see some salt about OP's vote. I just wasn't expecting it this early in the thread.
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>>87696858
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>>87696879
Yeah, nice come back.
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>>87696823
I thought the deciding factor was he promised white workers in the Midwest they'd get their jobs back.
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>>87696858

I don't care about any of that, I just want to have a goldmine of great South park episodes, I'm not even kidding
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Member when people on the Internet barely cared about politics?
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>>87696815
I bet Stan would have voted for Trump and wrote in HItler as his running mate.
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>>87696575
I sincerely doubt that term limits will end up passing through Congress, since you're essentially asking career politicians to vote against their own interest. I have more faith in a republic over a pure democracy, but this is one of those times that you can see the obvious disadvantage of it.
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>>87696928
how the fuck is he gonna do that?
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>>87696935
Ooh! Oh! I member!

Member when political talk on the internet wasn't part of every conversation and could be ignored?!
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>>87696966
>CTR
crash team racing was good game what does that have to do with this
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>>87696964
Reverse the policies and trade pacts that sent then away in the first place?
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>>87696964
He won't.
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>>87696902
Gee, really? He's glad that the candidate who didn't want to go to war with them won? Holy shit, are you Sherlock Holmes or something?
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>>87695742
The voting age needs to be increased to 25.
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>>87696974
Well Crash Team Racing is a game that is free everywhere on the internet but costs more than a new game + a playstation 1 at a gamestop.

So it's out of a job, but you can do it for free.
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>>87696891
>>87696928

I think your forgot how little favor Trump had early on in the race. But you're right that once Trump gave nods to economics he did win, especially since Clinton wanted to focus on garbage feel-good topics.
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This season is unsalvageable.
But how many shows make it to 20 seasons and a movie to begin with?
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>>87696988
This
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>>87696988

OP here, would still be able to vote, lol

Can't wait for the next silly statement from mr Garrison
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>>87696950
Trump never fucking said he would-

>it's why I voted harambe

Oh, never mind, I'm talking to an absolute retard.
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>>87696982
Correct, select the next category.
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>>87696681
Gee, it's almost as if they tried to influence the election or something.
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>>87697026
yeah trump never said that but he isn't going to do a lot of stuff he said he is already rolling back on getting rid of all of obamacare. and yeah I voted for a dead gorilla meme, the other candidates were all memes, why would I vote for them.
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>>87696823
>This is the country that evokes God (specifically the Christian God) at least twice in every sporting event.

Secular isn't the same as anti-expression of religion.
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>>87696965
Yeh yeh i member!
Member when 4chan was apolitical?
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>>87696893
This was the stupidest lie passed around by guys like CNN during the election

Trump didn't want places like Japan to have Nuclear weapons. He wanted them to actually start paying for the constant american military presence defending their country. He also wants to push for NATO member nations to either pay up their obligated share or for it to be dissolved should it not find a good reason to exist
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>>87696985
More like he's glad that the candidate that will severely cripple NATO by removing America won.
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>>87697004
People haven't forgotten who pushed hard for NAFTA, and they knew Hilldawg was an advocate for Super Asian NAFTA from the beginning.

So it was Trump's "I'll renegotiate our trade to our favor/I'll put tariffs in to protect jobs"
vs
Hillary "It's My Turn/Muh Glass Ceiling/ohandillgetyousomejobssomehowsure"
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>>87696966
>last name is literally mook
he was born for the role
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>>87697056
But religious is the continuous expression of religion in areas where it's absolutely unnecessary. The ties of state to religion are also important to note. It's not secular at all. Should be, but isn't.
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>>87697072
Nah. I'm sure someone does.
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>>87697065
So, he didn't actually mean what he said, he meant exactly what you want to happen?

Isn't that wishful thinking?
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>>87697072
>/co/mblr

What is this shit meme
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>>87697035
This I hope everyone here loves Vodka because it will be all we're allowed to drink in the USSA

>>87697062
Sad to say I joined when Chanology was just getting started, so I don't member.
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>>87696966
they probably didn't even have a concession speech written
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>>87697072
>Seems appropriate for this thread.
how? literally no one if defending hillary?
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>>87697031
I'll take "groups that should consider buying guns for self defense while they can for 1000"
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>>87697119
I'm to the point where I don't know who's trolling who anymore.

So many facetious opinions and statements about Russia that I can't tell if they're genuine or part of a larger game someone is playing.
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>>87696728
He legitimately had no idea he'd have to recruit staffers or what the job actually entails. He just assumed everyone would keep working for him and that he wouldn't even have to come to Washington, that he could spend every night in New York because the President "doesn't really do anything".
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>>87696883
No it wasn't, it was great and you know it. People are sick and tired of the election and the best way to cope with that nausea is to laugh at it. Seriously, whats hard to understand about that?

>Dur hur everything needs to be original or it sucks

Do you even get comedy? Its not exactly easy coming up with new and original shit thats funny, especially 20 seasons in like you said. for what they're giving us its been pretty solid
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>>87696858
>believing this
Trump unlike any other president is a business
He is already making his moves as president.
In the end, you will be the one surprised by the shit a old man can make in 4 years
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>>87697150
Except, for the time being, the system works because TPP has failed a total of four times now.

It's weighted in their favor, but it's not like they're the only ones who matter.
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>>87697146
it's all trolling idiot

>>87697157
I refuse to believe that
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>>87696988
Hillary would lost most of her votes. Seriously.
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>>87697176
>it's all trolling idiot
Are you sure it's trolling and people aren't actually just that stupid?
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>>87697183
>You still can't admit in public you voted for Trump. without getting called a Nazi.
sure you can't
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>>87697106
Link to me any event where he said that stuff where it made sense in context.
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>>87697144
>Panic buyers shift from Rednecks afraid they're going to lose their guns to Minorities afraid Trump is going to give the call sign for kristallnacht 2.0 any minute now
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>>87697209
>Are you sure it's trolling and people aren't actually just that stupid?
yes. no one actually believes russia is gonna take over. no one believes anything except we have no idea to know how trump will be as president. it's all trolls trolling each other to let off steam for the lulz
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>>87697146
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>>87697176
Believe or don't, it doesn't matter. Unless you're an elector, there's nothing we can do at this point.

This whole thing is like a hangover after a hell of a bender. You're looking at the new tattoo you got and wondering who the hell that woman in your bed is.
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>>87697211
not him but you really can't. people have lost their jobs from admitting that they're trump voters.
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>>87697183
I may have voted for Hillary, I may think both candidates suck, but I respect people's right to vote for whoever they feel would be best suited to run the country. People who do that are shitheads.
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>>87697183
Pretty sure cenk and tyt said that Trump will likely win
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>>87697094
>But religious is the continuous expression of religion in areas where it's absolutely unnecessary.

If it isn't mandated by the governament, it is just free expression of belief.
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>>87697238
>people have lost their jobs from admitting that they're trump voters.
no they haven't. just like no one is getting beat up or harrassed for being mexican or muslim, it's all false flags to get sympathy
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>>87697238
Good.
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>>87697230
you do realize tumble isn't all like that right? yeah half of it is but the other half if porn and they think the sjw's are fucking stupid.
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>>87697245
Cenk was the only one in TYT who predicted that Trump was going to win, the other members said that Hillary was going to win by landslide.
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>>87697144
This group has been plagued by gun violence since the Reagan administration allowed the Contras to sell both guns and crack in their ghettos, since the Gipper assumed neither would make their way into White areas.
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>>87697245
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiWY0iRLV94
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>>87697277
Hey i am not judging anyone, he asked for the gif and i gave it to him, nothing else.
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>>87697257
>No they haven't

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/projects/cp/opinion/election-night-2016/stop-shaming-trump-supporters
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>>87697310
>nytimes
ok
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>>87697072
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>>87697282
This

Almost all of modern America's foreign policy woes can be directly traced to attempts to overthrow foreign countries via supplying a lesser armed militia group to do it for them.

It's why we're dealing with ISIS right now. It's why northern Mexico has become violent cartel land.
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>>87697310
where does it say that people lost their jobs?
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>>87697326
Oh shut the fuck up
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>>87696734
>>87697230
>>87697337
somebody post the British one pls
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>>87697326
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/11/10/boss-tells-pro-trump-employees-to-resign.html
http://www.inc.com/suzanne-lucas/no-you-cant-fire-people-for-voting-trump.html

:^)

>>87697353
Maybe the part where bosses are asking people to leave their jobs if they support him.
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Oh man, the liberal side of 4chan is pretty fucking gay

I only made this thread to talk about South park and the upcoming episode
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http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5829f25fe4b02b1f5257a6b7
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>>87697081
You're a fucking idiot dude. Do you realize just how bad we fucked their economy? Our country is literally so powerful that we made rules that fucked over their economy, imagine if we were at war. And you still think Putin being happy is suspicious, get a grip on reality. But lets say you are telling the truth, if it's a choice between Russia or the several terrorist organizations that Hillary assosiated herself with, I would take Russia in a heart beat.
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>>87697393
I dont see any liberals just trolls
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>>87697385
>anglos
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>>87697393
Oh blow it out your ass
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>ITT /pol/(l)sters.
Anyone want to actually talk about this season's flaws?
I for one found it odd that the plots don't seem to interact all that well with each other.
Granted, Gerald the Troll did spark a lot of the kid's actions, but keep in mind that you could replace him with basically any adult character with very little complications.
In previous seasons, it's the children's actions that spark the adults to drive the events of the episode, but here, they seem to have gone out of their way to make sure the seperate story threads don't tangle with each other.
Last episode, for example: Stan is conspicuously absent when Randy memes all over the dinner table.
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>>87697392

Weird, third one didn't go through.

http://www.theatlantic.com/notes/2016/11/empathizing-with-trump-voters-right-now-contd/507392/
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>>87697392>foxnews

hahahhahahaahhaahhahahahahaahahahhahaah
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>>87697393
You lie, you knew what you were doing.
>I seriously only voted for Trump because of this shit to happen
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>>87697282
Who are African Americans?
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>>87697418
They got rid of the episodic subplots that grounded last season. Instead of three main plots and one self-contained plot, we have four plots going on at the same time. And that's terrible for syndication since CC airs them out of order based on popularity.
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>>87697432
What makes them worse than any of the other losers in the mainstream media?

And they are losers. Every single one of them fought Trump and lost.
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>it's a liberals suddenly pretend to care about Russia again

Funny, a few years ago it was in vogue for liberals to mock the russophobia of the McCarthy era, now they've gone full cold war.
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>>87697183
Ah the TYT election coverage is a thing of glorious salty goodness.
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>>87696988
Dems wouldn't have a chance anymore
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>>87697418
Good!

Can we talk about something that's been bothering me?

I fucking hate the message of the member berries and what they're trying to portray.

They're trying to portray blind nostalgia as bad and that things aren't magically worse now than they were before. I don't believe that to be the case. I think modern movies, politics, and entertainment have morphed and merged in such a way that people thirty years ago could not have even dreamed of.

So when I see the member berries basically calling me stupid for thinking that something may have appeal for trying to aim for that sweet spot in American culture where this one thing was done exceedingly well; I get pissed off.

It's like that dumb friend you have who sees you commenting on how much you liked a subculture in the 80's or 90's like 80's Movies or 90's Video games and their response is "OH YEAH? YOU LIKED THE 80'S/90'S? REMEMBER REAGAN? REMEMBER THE LA RIOTS? CHECK YOUR PRIVILEGE RACIST NOT EVERYONE HAD IT GOOD THEN".

That's what the member berries are: a giant strawman argument against a period of time that people view as humble because it was a time when entertainment, politics, and information merging into one behemoth was something of which the mechanics could not even be dreamed of.

Which is why I just roll my eyes when I see the memberberry posts on 4chan. People trying to take a non-argument and apply it to an argument where it doesn't apply.
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>>87697435

Yeah? So what if I did?

It was also both a picture followed by a question related to South park
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>>87696935
D'aww, does baby need a safe space? I think he does!
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>>87697255
What's the qualitative difference between something being mandated and something being planned and entirely accepted without question? You think when the jets fly over the stadium and those people in sharp uniforms flutter that big flag hanging over the grass and those sharply dressed people sing God Bless America, that this wasn't planned by the government? Outside of the private sphere, when was the last time a US official didn't sign off on some speech saying "God bless America" or some equivalent? Americans have been saying for the past etc. decades that they wouldn't vote in a Muslim, Atheist, or other faith person as a President. It was a very, very important issue whether the current president was secretly a Muslim or atheist.
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>>87697544
pretty sure it's calling nostalgia bad because it gives up shit like ep7 which was ep4 but worse.
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>>87697463
You are correct and command the board.
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>>87697523
Yep. Massachusetts and California legalised pot may kill Democrats voting future anyway.
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>>87697523
That's not really true the further you go in the future. People aren't switching loyalties so much as the baby boomers did in the 80s and have been a huge voting bloc for decades.
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>>87697510
They need an excuse to justify the nuclear war Hillary wanted to go into.
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>>87697577
>episode 4
You're just the worst kind of person.
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>>87695742

I hope we really do go to nuclear war with China and other countries once Trump's protectionism kicks in like a lot of people internationally are predicating. It will be hilarious. I've been waiting for the world to end for retarded reasons and it's delicious to be proven right.
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>>87696778
i´m not that anon but hillary was adamant on going to war with russia, i think that is one of the things thata ctually cost her the election
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>>87697299
>The sexism is worst than the racism!
I always wanted to know which was which
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>>87697610
what, im not saying ep 4 was bad but ep 7 was. it was a bland boring rehash of a better movie. which is what the member berries represent
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>>87697636
No it's the fact you call it episode 4. That's disgusting.
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>>87697577
That's exactly the problem, though.

Sometimes it's important to 'member. Nostalgia isn't inherently a bad thing because sometimes the way things were being done in the past are superior to the way things are being done right now. Just because we're living in the future doesn't give the way we do things now any credence.

Nostalgia is an important tool for the way we remember things. People telling you that Nostalgia is inherently bad are simply telling you that new and innovative are the only good in this world, and that's just not true. Something isn't good because it's new and it's not good because it's innovative.
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>>87697718
its been episode 4 ever since episode 5 came out
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>>87697733
except they aren't saying that. they are only saying it's bad when that's all you do, when you don't try to make new things. like randy said about the romans and how all they did was rest on their laurels and member their best times.
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>>87696815
I liked him. This is just his worst season cause Matt and Trey are in a clusterfuck of a mess over their failed prediction.
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>>87695767
Why does everyone on /co/ want to be nuked by Russia?
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My post wasn't even inflammatory and obviously not the only "off-topic" post, no need to get triggered anons.
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>>87697794
Because at least she's not Trump.
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>Matt and Trey counted so much on Hillary winning that they based their season wide plot around it
>Trump wins
>The entire plotline is trashed
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>>87696988
The drinking age should be increased to 35
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>>87697794
Nigger, our army could crush Russia 10x over.
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>>87697559
>What's the qualitative difference between something being mandated and something being planned and entirely accepted without question?

Seriously nigga? Are you comparing something mandated by the governament, with free expression of what you believe? Are you retarded?

>that this wasn't planned by the government?

As long as the money is private, and not from the taxes, its ok.

You are also in a country with a culture, that you are demanding to be changed just because you don't like it.

>Outside of the private sphere, when was the last time a US official didn't sign off on some speech saying "God bless America" or some equivalent?

Why this make you triggered? This isn't denying the rights of anyone.

>Americans have been saying for the past etc. decades that they wouldn't vote in a Muslim, Atheist, or other faith person as a President.

Or a radical christian, like YOU, or like some faggots think that Trump is. Its valid if you think that it goes along with your interests, like any form of politics or party afiliation. You just think that "neutrality" is "nothing that I don't like is expressed" instead of "everybody can express themselves".
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>>87697842
Another media shill stumped by Trump.
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>>87697842
everyone thought she would win. It turns out she didn't but most people had trump at a longshot because who gives a fuck about flyover states
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>>87697418
I hate everything about how they're handling the developments this season. Stan whips his dick out one second in protest and begs Wendy back the next. Clinton destroys all of Butter's points by just saying he's only acting out cause his girlfriend broke up with him, as if that invalidates how right he was before. Them trying to make Hilary out to be this big bad threat. The shitty Cartman and Heidi Mars shit that's been meandering all season and is only now with 3 episodes left going anywhere. A gender war that's been going on for most of the season and is only notable for doing the dicks out for Harambe parody. Them fundamentally misunderstanding the support behind Trump and saying it was only for a nostalgic longing for the old days and wanting more of the same when that's exactly what the voters were rebelling against.

This has been a season long build up to fucking nothing.
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>>87697794
If they nuke us we nuke them. So that just proves how retarded and childish they are if they seriously think that's their only option left.
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>>87697852
While leaving everything except the UK and Ireland (lol natural moat) a radioactive crater

Great jurb
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>>87697888
Trump did
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>>87697888
>everyone thought she would win
Not Michael Moore. And everyone who actually had a pulse on America's silent majority. He knew just how close Trump would make the election.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7y2xPucnAo
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>>87697761
>except they aren't saying that.
They are exactly saying that. They're saying that Membering is bad because it plays to your nostalgia, which is inherently bad because it skips the 'problematic' parts of the past. This is illustrated with Randy's memberberries mentioning Regan and feeling safe.

Which is just silly.

Remembering the best times shouldn't be considered a bad thing, either.

The entire message is just confused and has resulted in lots of people mis-using member berries as an argument where one does not exist.
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>>87697949
I dont think you comprehend the sheer magnitude by which our military trumps every other one out there. Were we to ever fully mobilize on anyone it wouldnt even be a fight.
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>>87696650
That's illegal in most states, and rarely happens even in states with faithless electors.

Ironically enough, the one elector this election that spoke of voting against the state was a Washington elector that refused to elect Hillary.
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>>87697914
Well, Stan is actually understandable because he's a conformist shit.

He's always been an even more evil Cartman without any of the standards that Cartman holds himself to.
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>>87698062
>He's always been an even more evil Cartman
Stopped reading there. End that meme.
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>>87697761
Yeah except the fact that use of "grapes" in art predates back to ~800BC, quite a while before the Empire would rise to full swing and have any laurels to rest upon.
That having been said, I'm disappointed that the memeberries were brought up in the season premiere and have not yet been introduced within the underage population.
Granted, it is a proxy for a drug, but given how incompetent the adults are at keeping the children away from dangerous things, and the fact that there is AN ENTIRE ORCHARD of the bloody things near the city, I find it impausible that the kids have not seen, heard, or eaten them yet.
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>>87698092
Not a meme if it's true. Stan only fools people into thinking he's not just as bad by not being as overtly evil. He's a Cartman if Cartman could hide his outward disdain for others.
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>>87698144
Stan is conformist and self serving. Trying to compare that to all the shit Cartman has done is literally, completely retarded.
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>>87696226
>great state
>Florida

pick one
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>>87697853
>I'm a radical Christian
I think you need to calm down. I'm sorry but there's a reason why "God Bless America" has become mandatory during the 7th inning stretch, for example, and why every game has veterans presenting flags and usually singing this song. There's a reason people get upset about "the war on Christmas" and shit as benign as saying "Happy Holidays". And I'm sorry but Obama being a Mozlem was not a fringe worry of a fringe population. Being a religious nation doesn't mean they deny rights of the non-religious, it is just means religion is ingrained in their culture and politics, which it is.

>You are also in a country with a culture
>that you are demanding to be changed just because you don't like it

My whole point is simply that American politics is a religious affair, as it's a nation obsessed with it. It's also functionally an autocracy engaging in empire. Which makes it similar to Russia.
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>>87698174
Stan is the most conformist and self-serving. His conformity is the only reason he does not act like a worse Cartman all the time.

Cartman actively holds himself back because, as bad as he is, even he has limits. Stan has no limit to what he can do without feeling a shred of guilt.

I genuinely thought that when the whole troll thing started that it was Stan.
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>>87698216
What's to hate about it? All the fun tourists traps you have in the major states with none of the brain dead libs.
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>>87695742
>"That's better bitch."
Is it me or anybody else hear the seething rage in that line?
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>>87697888
The polls were running at 2xx-2xx the entire time, and there have been examples where the results ended up at 4xx-xxx before. So it might have looked to be a decisive victory, but it was nowhere near an insured victory.
If you were to seriously take poll results in as accurate, when they have had single digit% response rates, you're only playing yourself.
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>>87698298
Oh yeah, I'm sure they re-recorded that line until they got the right mix of sassy/angry that is to be conveyed.
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>>87698291
Miami and Orlando are alright, but the rest of the state is a shithole
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I find it funny Hillary lost to a guy that she secretly promoted in the republican primary.
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>>87697888
>Who gives a fuck about flyover states
>Proceeds to lose entire election to flyover states.
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>>87698273
>"Even (The kid who had someone's parents shot, chopped up and served to their own kid) has limits."
Elaborate.
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>>87697977
He's from Michigan, so he actually knew how a lot of the people in that area tended to vote.

Hillary and her aides thought they had the flyover states locked down, they ignored Bill and Sanders' advice and just assumed they had the election in the bag once it looked like latinos were going to hand over Arizona and Florida
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>>87697544
I don't get how the member berries wouldn't get associated with Clinton. Her husband was brought on the evoke nostolgia and it failed when he bad talked her.
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>>87698273
Now you're just not even in touch with reality. Stan feels guilt, he still has empathy and to say he's as bad as Cartman because he cares a lot about what others think about him is still one of the stupidest things in this thread. Which is saying a lot.
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>>87698239
>I'm a radical Christian
>if you doesn't try to remove any expression of your religious belief, you are radical.

This is other problem with your type, still thinking that "nobody express anything" is better than "everybody can express their belief, be them theists or not".

>and why every game has veterans presenting flags and usually singing this song

Because people care and express their belief? Because it is a cultural thing?

>There's a reason people get upset about "the war on Christmas" and shit as benign as saying "Happy Holidays".

Pretty much for what you writte, it seems that the idea is remove the association of these things with their culture, basically erasing them and lumping together with others.

>Being a religious nation doesn't mean they deny rights of the non-religious

Fact is: being secular means religion not being controled or forced by the governament, not the expression of the population.
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>>87698035
The issue isn't winning the issue is getting into another costly conflicts especially over a patch of dirt we don't have any business being in in the first place and instead of a third world nation it's Russia which will only make shit worse.
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Will South Park ever bring up Nate Silver? He's prime material for them.
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>>87698445
> Stan feels guilt, he still has empathy and to say he's as bad as Cartman because he cares a lot about what others think about him is still one of the stupidest things in this thread.
It's not that he cares what others think of him, it's that he is able to mask his outward hatred of those around him.
Inside he's still a monster.
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>>87698496
Okay crazy lady
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>>87698467
It would be funny to see a time montage of his hairline receding.
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>>87698414
Am I wrong for thinking Butters is 100% right this season?

The girls being bitches in an attempt to shame him for being a boy is everything wrong with socjus contained in a South Park episode. Butters is completely in the right to feel pride for being who he is.

I'm not sure this is the message Trey and Matt were trying to send.
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>>87695890
>How does it feel to know my vote is worth just as much as yours
Honestly it depends on the state you're in because of the electoral college. Not every person's vote is equal.
If it was and every persons votes were tallied, Hillary would of won. Not by much though
Google the popular vote yourself
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>>87698328
Pompano Beach along the borders of Ft. Lauderdale are pretty tight. Also, Miami is probably the most shit place here, you've just never been outside of the downtown area of it.
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>>87698544
Judging from the scene with him and Bill Matt and Trey seem to kind of see him as a men's rights activist. That he's only mad because his girlfriend broke up with him so we shouldnt think he's right.
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>>87698496
But even if that's true masked contempt while conforming isn't really more evil than open most the time contempt and numerous heinous acts.
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>>87698496
Cartman masks his hatred of people all the fucking time, especially if it's a means to an end.
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>>87698574
Not that guy, but without the electoral college, then people living in cities like LA, New York, and Chicago- singular cities, would be able to dictate the lives of people in Idaho, and Nebraska.

We elect a president for the entire country, not for those living in just the urban areas.
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4 years of OH GEEZ

Can't wait.
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>>87698629
Pretty much, I forgot about Ft. Lauderdale, that is pretty nice.

Orlando is still my favorite because of Disney and Universal
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>>87698544
In some way I agree with Butters' sentiment but he has a very childish and immature way of expressing it. I don't blame him, he's a child and a fictional character to boot, but that doesn't mean what he is doing is right. Just because women are bitches doesn't mean guys can just go around pressin' pickle.

I find the sentiment of the girls reflected a lot in the socjus blogs, though. They keep putting the onus on men to tell other men to not rape, or say sexist things, or to keep them from trolling. Nagging my fellow man won't make them behave any better, it will just make them call me a faggot and disregard my opinions. Social policing like that also *might* superficially deal with the problem on the surface but does nothing to deal with the root causes.
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>>87698664
I feel like it's going to get boring after a while kind of like Trump
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>>87698453
>your type
You checked out 5 posts ago but here's your last (you).
>Because it is a cultural thing?
Pay attention. These "cultural things" didn't exist until some reactionary cause pushed them into existence. There was no "under God" until le godless gommies came around and the government needed to make sure all Americans were god-fearing liberals. There wasn't any of this parading of soldiers (also known as "heroes") around until 9/11 happened and the government needed to make sure that all Americans were "for the troops" and the wars in the middle east. Being forced into doing this shit is irrelevant to the fact that it is done. that it is in fact forced --on the public-- intentionally to create and reinforced ideology unity and that this is done to change the culture of the public, even to the point of rewriting history where some anon on a mongolian fly-fishing appreciation forum argues it's always been this way, is not some benign non-issue. It's religious politics. Christ.
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>>87698632
I sure hope that's not the case, because I would expect them to be more objective than that.

>>87698673
>but that doesn't mean what he is doing is right
I don't see how it isn't. It may be rude and vulgar, but then again so is blaming the entire population of male students for the actions of a single person.
Maybe waving his dick around isn't the right signal, but what would be? It's already been established that the girls are beyond reasoning with due to their predisposed notion that the boys are automatically guilty without a shred of evidence; so what else is there for Butters to do in order to make himself clear?
Butters is all about pushing people's buttons, right? He just knew that action would be the thing that pushes the girls buttons more than anything.
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>>87698673
Butters is going about it the right way. If the girls are going to be social terrorists, which is actually what they are and what they're doing, then the boys have to retaliate with equally offensive measures.

Their logic was so flawed and idiotic i honestly dont know how Matt and Trey were ever going to present it as right if that was their intention. "If you all dont silence the person we suspect of wronging us then every last one of you will suffer", is not just fucked up but practically unforgivable. And you just know this season is going back to the status quote which will make that whole subplot ring hollow.
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A MESSAGE TO ELECTORAL COLLEGE WHINERS FROM A LEAF: IT IS A STUPID SYSTEM BUT NOT THE SOLE CAUSE OF YOUR PROBLEM.

Most other systems are a variant of parliamentary democracy where the rough equivalent of a president, the prime minister, is the leader of whichever party gains the most seats in the lower house of parliament, which might as well be the only house because senates are mostly formalities in Parliamentary systems. Lets say there is a somewhat strong city/rural divide in a theoretical election where the cities overall vote 90% for a liberal candidate and the rural areas and suburbs vote about 60% for a conservative candidate. Since there are more suburban and rural ridings combined than there are urban ridings the conservative candidate would win despite potentially losing the popular vote by millions in a country where there are less than 30 million registered voters. Trump only lost the popular vote by about 150,000 votes, right?

I just take this whole popular vote thing as a consolation that technically only slightly less than half of voters are responsible for the oncoming shitshow. It doesn't mean much but will look slightly better in the history books than if he had a 100% clean win.
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>>87698795
>Trump only lost the popular vote by about 150,000 votes
It's more than that now. Not that I think it should matter.
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>>87696778
>
Look retard. She wanted to put a no fly zone over aleppo. Watch this general talk about how well that would work out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmE9Jj-rEVs

Russia was doing nuclear drills, all relations had broke down, and they outright stated that hillary wanted war.

You're just denying reality.
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>>87698544
>>87698632
Yeah, they're not giving an iota of outside sympathy to them.
PCP does give a rote explanation to his benefit, but you know if they didn't have the shield of counterprotest, they would be suspended for indecent exposure.
Even when Butters tells off Cartman, you can tell they were undercutting his effectiveness by having BUTTERS be more actively antagonistic than CARTMAN throughout the season.
When you make your innocent character more mean the guy that has been messing with him for so long, you'll bet some people will take notice.
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>>87696823
Why would we invoke other gods?
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>>87696704
>you're a legit moron if you vote for a qualified candidate
>the only smart people are those who don't vote or vote for a man who went bankrupt over 5 times, and other utterly disgusting controversies

Moron.
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>>87698795
its not a shitty system, we are not 1 country, we a federation of states, and each state is assured a voice, if we had a popular vote, low population states wouldnt matter, it would be like the 3 most populated states, then they could collude and get whatever they wanted. its not perfect, but necessary
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>>87698888
>Who they are is more important than what their point is.
You know this is the reason butters whipped his dick out, right?

Or are you agreeing that not giving them outside sympathy is biased?
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>>87698888
I thought it was a pretty effective means of reinforcing the point at first. To have their most innocent and impressionable character take such a hard stance but then i realized Butters is also super gullible and prone to knee-jerk reactions. It's just less effective when you know how easily he's influenced.

But in spite of that it shouldnt undercut the core of his arguments which are correct.
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>>87698467
Why are you people so fixated with Nate Silver? He's an oddsmaker, and he gave Trump better odds than anyone else.

He never said Hillary would win, he said the data at the time lent itself to more scenarios where she would win. Everyone else came to that conclusion as well.
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I'm glad Trump won, I've been salt mining for days
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>>87697236
Is it Hillary?
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>>87698961

>qualified candidate
>who went on record as saying "you can't be sexist against a man because they're evil privileged assholes"

At least Donald is grounded in reality compared to her.
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>>87699009
He's the most outspoken pollster around, and has been wrong about almost fucking everything for a year.

For Christ's sake, months before it was even a possibility, he joked about the Cubs winning have a better chance than Trump. It's like the universe has been out to smite him.
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>>87696988
24 is where brains stop growing. 25 is excellent.
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>>87699056
the Cubs won tho.
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>>87699104
Yeah, that's the point. It was such a far flung possibility, that it was something you could joke about. "Trumo's gonna be president? Yeah, and the Cubs will win the World Series."

When folks talking about people JUSTing themselves, Silver is a textbook example.
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>>87699054
>climate change is a chinese hoax

Oh yeah, definitely.
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>>87699041
Is there a video up yet with all of the people saying he'd lose? Like from every news outlet and celebrity saying it was impossible.
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>>87698961
I'm gonna take a shot on the dark, and say you actively took part in those "Madame President" threads on /pol/.
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>>87699054
Got a link where she said exactly that?
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>>87698877
How convenient that you only post the first few seconds of that exchange:

>WHAT ABOUT THE OPTION OF CONTROLLING THE AIRSPACE SO BARREL BOMBS CANNOT BE DROPPED?
>RIGHT NOW, FOR US US TO CONTROL ALL OF THE AIRSPACE IN SYRIA WOULD REQUIRE US TO GO TO WAR AGAINST SYRIA AND RUSSIA
>THAT'S A PRETTY FUNDAMENTAL DECISION THAT CERTAINLY I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE.
>TO IMPOSE A NO.
>CHAIRMAN? CHAIRMAN? COULD I SAY?
>THAT'S NOT WHAT I SAID.
>GO-AHEAD.
>WITH THE SENATOR ASKED ME WAS
>WHAT HE ASKED WAS SHOULD WE HAVE A NO-FLY ZONE SO WE CAN PROTECT THESE PEOPLE FROM BEING SLAUGHTERED.
>THAT'S WHAT WERE ALL TALKING ABOUT.
>THAT WOULD NOT REQUIRE GOING TO WAR FULL-SCALE.
>NOT NECESSARILY. I'M SORRY BUT I TRIED TO ANSWER THE FIRST QUESTION FIRST AND THEN I WAS RESPONDING TO THE SECOND PART OF THE QUESTION.

>I DID NOT MEAN TO SAY THAT IMPOSING A NO FLY ZONE WOULD REQUIRE US TO GO TO WAR.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4621738/dunford-tells-wicker-controlling-airspace-syria-means-war-russia-mccain-throws-tantrum-dunford&start=176
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>>87698876
Yeah, it's almost 700,000 right now.
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>>87695767
Better than voting for someone because she had a menstrual cycle two decades ago
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>>87699056
Do you not understand statistical probability or what?
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>>87698574
Nah, with the voter fraud and the rampant illegal voting she actually would have lost! Good Thing Trump is pushing for national voter ID laws to hurt democrats more :)
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>>87699163
Seriously? Most, if not all MSM said he was gonna lose, add in Nate Silver, and RCP too. Only Daybreak got him right.
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>>87699190
And do you not understand the humor of a man self destructing?
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>>87699056
and Janet Reno said "Donald Trump will never be president in my lifetime", look what happened later. This timeline is bizarre.
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>>87699163
I'd like to see an image that collects every single headline that predicted things wrong for the hell of it
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>>87698998
I'm not saying it invalidates their point, but I am saying it does undercut the catharsis of seeing Butters telling off Cartman by a good margin.
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>>87699224
Yeah but i mean a compilation video. With all the footage and all the people saying it. Like this one but longer. There has to have been more out there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqEddipbpkw
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>>87699261
>>87699190
www.loser.com/

I mean come on.
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>>87699201
You know, people on the right keep saying that but the system is basically set up so that you can't vote unless you're registered and you can't really register unless you're a citizen.

It smacks of something trump was saying because he thought he was going to lose and was looking for someone to blame for failing.
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>>87699156
It certainly does benefit China, as industry becomes more and more expensive elsewhere. Then there is the issue with 'right to pollute so and so much' - which for example, Poland is selling to others.

Climate change is the spook of all spooks, it made bureaucracy into a commodity - and obviously there are people and institutions in it who want power. States, companies, oligarchs, party members... You even have fanatics.
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>>87699278
Maybe. Personally i thought that was still a great and effective moment. I still think it's good even with that retarded scene with Bill Clinton later on though that does diminish it.
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>>87699278
I felt exactly the opposite. Butters becoming more antagonistic than Cartman signaled how important this issue was to Butters.

Which, he has a right to feel strongly about it. He is only being called wrong because of his status as a boy.

It's part of why I don't think it's fair to group him as someone who is having a kneejerk reaction. If this was another one of his kneejerk reactions, he wouldn't feel nearly as strongly as he does about it.
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>>87699288
Who's the blonde woman who got laughed at?
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>>87696704
He played that up himself though. It was part of his whole strategy.
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Stay mad, /co/mblr.
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>>87699301
>You know, people on the right keep saying that but the system is basically set up so that you can't vote unless you're registered and you can't really register unless you're a citizen.

And the problem is?
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>>87699339
None of this is true.
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>>87698335
Did she really?
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>>87699288
Funny isn't it?

>>87699337
Ann Coulter
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>>87695742
>I seriously only voted for Trump because of this shit to happen
I'm gonna assume you're either exaggerating or from a state that was going to vote for Hillary anyway.

The idea that you seriously saying that while being old enough to vote makes me a little ill.
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>>87699387
Are you literally shaking?
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>>87699358
Actually:

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls

It's real.

It's not entirely a race issue, though. It's mostly because the US had this great idea sometime in the 90's to start this "war on drugs" thing, and start supplying arms and instigators to gangs in primarily-black ghettos in an attempt to strike at the dealers of drugs.
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>>87698467
>Not capitalizing the 'P' in 'President.'

What a disrespectful little shit.
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>>87698795
>Trump only lost the popular vote by about 150,000 votes, right?

I've heard it's gaining on a million, but at the very least 700,000+ and it keeps rapidly getting bigger. So well...

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but something like 17% of the population voted for Trump? It's not a lot to be proud of. Clinton has nothing to be proud of either even though more people voted for her as President.

Nobody on either side has a mandate to do anything.
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>>87699354
The problem is that people keep bitching about voter fraud when it's not very common.
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>>87699433
Then, I'm sure no one would object to voter ID laws.

If it isn't common, then I'm sure it would be fine for people to just present some form of ID when going to vote.
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I'm not exactly happy that Trump won, but I'm fucking ecstatic that Hillary lost.

It's like she wished to make history and the mokey's paw gave her "Worst-Run Presidential Campaign in U.S. History."
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>>87699403
>US had this great idea sometime in the 90's to start this "war on drugs" thing

I don't care what party of no party or whatever the fuck you are War on Drugs is a fucking abomination, total failure, huge fucking waste of money, huge. Legalize, regulate, and tax the shit. Stop taking our money to build more and more prisons. We can't fucking afford the War on Drugs and it's always been stupid as fuck.
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>>87699364
yes
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Isn't most of the votes for Clinton just from California alone? Fuck that shit, literally why we have electoral votes in the first place
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Trump is a Koch brothers and Rupert Murdoch puppet. Despite Murdoch's control of the media, Hillary was pretty god damn popular. The Kochs, Murdoch and Putin plan on a violent take over of the world. Trump has already promised Putin Eastern Europe while he dismantles Nato. Look at how Trump has been sucking Putin's dick. The Russian mafia hacked the Democratic party and stole the election. And the useful idiots don't realize that Trump will be the one to take their guns away from them and round them up for the re-education camps.

That's why the majority of his support is paid by the Russian government. They are naive, numerous, passionate and loud but it's obvious they are white supremist racist. That lying, manipulative son of a bitch used them.
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>>87699477
>Isn't most of the votes for Clinton just from California alone?
Do you mean in terms of the popular vote or the electoral vote? It shouldn't matter if it's the popular vote, which Hillary won.
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>>87699180
How can anyone take Russia Today seriously? It's such obvious propaganda.
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>>87699120
>Inherited Holocaust trauma.

Fucking what?
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>>87699467
Yeah, no.

Wikileaks isn't a trustworthy source and repeatedly demonstrated that. I don't buy anything of theirs that can't be corroborated.
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>>87699467
This is like shooting yourself in the foot, but with a rpg
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>>87699502
Shh. Shh Hillary. It's over. It's over. Just focus your energy on not going to jail.
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>>87699403
But it's not real. His picture says that 81% of white murder victims are killed by black offenders and 97% of black murder victims were killed by black murderers.

First number is pants on the head retardedly wrong and second number is a bit to high.

Your own link proves that it is wrong.

According to your link, 83% of white murder victims were killed by whites while 90% of black murder victims were killed by black offenders.
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>>87699507
>How can anyone take Russia Today seriously? It's such obvious propaganda.
Because it fits the narrative they've already bought into.

Confirmation bias is a real thing.
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>>87699401
Fuck off.

>>87699403
Anon is correct that the image has significant falsehoods, particularly the statistic about whites killing whites: killings within a race are always much, much higher than across race lines. The idea of whites killed by blacks or vice versa being that high with whites killed by whites that low is absurd.
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>>87699336
Do you think Butter's would still keep up his protesting if his girlfriend took him back is the thing. And honestly i can see him stopping.

As absolutely wonderful and amazing and fucking perfect it would be for him to kick that bitch to the curb you just know how easy it would be to see Matt and Trey having it pan out the opposite way.
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>>87699449
>had the media on her side
>had celeb endorsements
>had current President on her side
>had biggest primaries rival on her side despite the backstab
>had a gajillion dollars for campaigning
>had some super sophisticated algorithm tailored to help her win

And she still lost to the orange man. I suspect there will be research papers done in the future on just how monumental of a loss this was.
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>>87699477
>literally why we have electoral votes in the first place

That's kind of bullshit as Trump said over and over again himself years ago. It means that some people's votes count less than others. That's flat out hugely unfair by definition.

Now if Trump would keep his promise and stay the fuck out of the state's way I'd be overjoyed. But he won't because is puppetmasters are intruding nanny state who just care about muh sky daddy and forcing their fairy tales on Americans.

Rand Paul for President.
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>>87699538
In the last 20 posts I've seen people disregard RT and Wikileaks, while posting about how Trump is a puppet to the Koch Brothers.

I would love to see what sources are trustworthy to the average /co/mblrite.
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>>87699120
im half jap

does that man i have inherited hiroshima trauma?
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>>87699180
I've seen the entire thing and it just reinforces my fucking point.

Hillary wants to put a no fly zone SPECIFICALLY over aleppo the area that is being bombed. She can put a no fly zone over syria without conflict but not over ALEPPO which is the area RUSSIA is bombing. Cause if we put one over ALEPPO then we shoot down RUSSIAN PLANES and start WAR.

So basically you can put a no fly zone over any area except the ones where hillary wants to put them that Russia is bombing.

What exactly is your fucking point.
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>>87699554
>puppetmasters

Yeah, cause when someone thinks of Donald Trump, they think of a yes man.

You sure you're note confusing your candidates here?
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>>87699550
To a large extent, she had the establishment of her opponent's party on her side as well.

That's what made it truly shocking.
Has anyone won running against the other party and THEIR OWN party at the same time?

Bernie tried and failed.
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>>87699563
Only if you or your grandparents were irradiated
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>>87699563
I am sorry about your genetic cancer anon
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>>87699104
We live in the worst timeline
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>>87699556

Shillary and Drumpf are both moronic puppets and the worst and least popular two candidates in history.
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>>87699563
Don't know, was your family telling you all your life that you'll get nuked?
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trey = literal cuck
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>>87695742

>you voted for someone because you wanted something to happen in a cartoon

That's terrible.
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>>87695742
they better do this for the next four years or eight
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>>87699576
He's already appointed fucking bankers around him. You know Bannon was from Goldman Sachs, right? He wasn't some poor middle class hero who decided to uphold the values of white supremacy with a homemade website.
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>>87699599
This can't be real. It's too much of a meme image
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>>87699595
>Saying Drumpf unironically


Time for suicide lad
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>>87699550
>had some super sophisticated algorithm tailored to help her win

I imagine two aides going through a series of Get Smart doors and checkpoints to arrive at a massive underground complex housing an incomprehensibly advanced computer the size of a zeppelin. The only way to interact with the computer is a single red button that, when pressed, plays a pre-recorded message saying "You're doing great! Don't change a thing!" in a gentle, supportive voice.

One of the aides turns to the other and says, "Man, how is this thing so BRILLIANT?"
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>>87699576
>Yeah, cause when someone thinks of Donald Trump, they think of a yes man.

You just wait and see. In business decades ago he was in control but now he's senile and has no idea what the fuck is going on. For all his anti-establishment claims the establishment has already started to make him their bitch and will happily rape him with a broom handle or hand shoved up his ass to make him sing according to their tune for the next 8 years. Mark my words, Killary is a cunt, but Trump is a cuck.
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>>87699566
>What exactly is your fucking point.
That it's possible to institute a no-fly zone through diplomatic means and that the histrionics regarding WAR WITH RUSSIA are completely unfounded and are more likely to cause us heartburn in the future as we just demonstrated to the Kremlin that we lack the resolve to even approach them out of fear?

>>87699556
Credentialed radio services and newspapers. Like actual broadcasters and newspapers, not websites and second-rate clickbait garbage.
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>>87699541
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>>87699616
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>>87699599
You're aware of the concept of a "step-son," right?
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>>87699614
At this point, you know who I'm going to trust more than the entirety of the mainstream media who got things wrong? The man who got things right.

Until I see a direct fuck up on Trump's end, this man is coasting.

>>87699634
>You just wait and see

I've been waiting for two years for people to stump Trump.

Hasn't happened.
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>>87699642
>lol look at my MEMES
You need to be over 18 to post on this website.
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>>87699642
>I consistently support weedman retards who top out at single digits, erry year.
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>>87698663
That's a terrible argument. Under the current system, a small number of swing state voters are "dictating" the lives of the rest of the country.

If the US switched to the popular vote, it would simply force candidates to try to appeal to a wider group of Americans, not just those in swing states.
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>>87697065
I don't know what the deleted post you replied to said but Japan could make a nuke in like 3 days with their current level of technology and resources. It'd be illegal as fuck but they could easily do it.
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>>87699657
>Hasn't happened.

It just did happen.

When he or rather his masters appointed a bunch of establishment shills to run the country instead of him.
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>>87699657
>At this point, you know who I'm going to trust more than the entirety of the mainstream media who got things wrong? The man who got things right.
You don't need to keep campaigning for a guy who only won because the DNC shot themselves in the foot, bro, we get it, you want to suck Trump's dick and you enjoy shilling for a banker who now controls your government.

Thank god they got tools like you on their side.
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>>87699672
This is one of the major reasons Hillary lost tho
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>>87699663
Back off, kid, I roll with a tough crew.
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>comics and cartoons
>Absolutely no posts about the show
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>>87699672
America is a nation, not a cluster of city states. Campaigning throughout the country is vital. If popular vote only counted, then places like LA and New York would be obscenely powerful.
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>>87699672
>If the US switched to the popular vote
The entire campaign for any candidate would be California and New York, which would always vote democrat, and the other 48 states would get shafted. Please be stupid somewhere else
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>>87699588
Simply by continuing to win, he sent an earthquake through the RNC, and then made the DNC implode. This election was the best reality tv around. I hope these events at least marginally do a little good for the two parties after becoming complacent and slipping into stagnation.
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>>87697183
>>87697211
>Walked into class Wednesday
>Professor announces he will say only one thing about the election
>"White people, am I right?"
>Literally entire class but me laughs
>Continues to talk about "white people"
>He is white

I thought that I would be safe from colleges being left-leaning because I live in the south, but apparently not
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>>87699672
If the US switched to the popular vote there would be no reason to not campaign in the most populated countries and swing states and just ignore the fucking rest because they have no say
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>>87699639
As I just stated the video DOES NOT SUPPORT THAT POINT. You can't put a no fly zone over Aleppo without war. And there is no way to do it diplomatically because Russia cut ALL formal ties with us.

And there is literally boat loads of evidence that support the idea that war with Russia was a potential outcome, many of them I already told you. You're just sticking your head and the sand and ignoring the evidence.

It makes no sense to go after Russia for doing the same shit we do all the time. It would make more sense for the two largest nuclear powers to be on GOOD terms rather in a cold war.
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>>87697888
Only idiots that listened to the mainstream media thought Hillary's victory was ensured. Sadly, that includes the vast majority of the American people. I doubt most will ever understand why Trump won.
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>>87699678
What if they're great?

What if his choices are amazing?

No seriously. You haven't been right yet. I have no reason not to trust his actions. He has destroyed everyone who has opposed him.

>>87699679
Not really an argument. Obama himself is telling people to give Trump a chance. He has proved everyone wrong up to this point. Why act smug and start thinking /this/ will be the moment he starts to screw up?
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>>87699521
How are they not a trustworthy news source? I don't think any of their leaked emails have been said to be anything but genuine. The Dems didn't even want to confirm or deny because they knew they were real.
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>>87699700
So more than 50% of the country live in California and New york? And you are calling other people stupid?
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>>87699698
...and?
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>>87699716
My question is this?
What is in Syria that we don't want Assad to have?
If it's just a campaign against "Bad Guy Leadership", then it's Duby 2: Electric Boogaloo and we have a century of war ahead of us against scores of nations.

If it's nothing else, let Assad and Putin have Syria, I don't give a fuck.
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>>87699653
We call them "cuck-kids".
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>>87699745
And America is not a cluster of city states. We are a vast territory that spans from coast to coast, with lands spread around the world.

Why do you want Los Angeles to lord over Hawaii?
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>>87699736
If I was Anthony Weiner, I would fear for my life
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>>87699588
Bernie was independent that switched to democrat.

Seriously. Republicans are mostly party loyalists that vote their ticket regardless of who won the nomination.

Democrats this time were divided between Bernie and Hillary and they didn't get along at all.

Hillary could have had Bernie as a running mate and that might have unified her base or something (maybe not since their fans hate each Other), but instead they picked that bore, Tim Kane.

The democrats here were whiners, not winners. Winners are a team. Being on a team often means helping people that you don't like to fight off poeople that you really really don't like.
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>>87699758
It's not necessarily what's in Syria as what can be gotten from conflict in Syria. Reminder that Hillary has friends who would profit from battle and war
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>>87699745
And, you dense piece of shit, there are still millions of US citizens across the entire of the United States that don't live in the little fucking populated bubbles, and the electoral system ensures their voices still count and their vote still fucking matters
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I was a bernout who voted for Hillary because I hate Trump and even I'll admit she ran a miserable campaign. The only thing good about her loss is the possibility that it'll wake liberals up and they'll stop acting like aloof rich assholes who think quoting Harry Potter is a political statement. Also, no nuclear war with Russia... I guess.
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>>87699743
Around 20% do mr literal.
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>>87699171
No, I never visited /pol/ after the Turkey coup was finished.
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>>87699780
>Bernie was independent that switched to democrat.
And Trump was a Democrat supporter who switched to the GOP because he smelled weakness in their last two 12-man clown circus nomination fields.

It's the same shit.
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>>87699672
Liberals once again showing that they completely lack critical thinking skills and just want their way.
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>>87699514
There's this fringe theory floating around that Holocaust survivors can somehow pass on their trauma to their children. No joke.
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>>87699820
>Implying only Libs just want their way

kek.
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>>87699782
>Hillary has friends who would profit from battle and war

Where you not around during the invasion of Iraq and Bush's family friends lined their pockets with cash? How companies were given multi billion dollar grants to do whatever the fuck they wanted without any form of competition. DC is filled to the brim with war profiteers and no polling station can change that. There hasn't been a single anti-war president since WW1
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>>87699816
I don't know how Ted managed to be one of the larger players in the primaries. Just seeing him talk and attempt to smile turns me away
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>>87699816
DAMN, JEB LOOKS LIKE *THAT*??
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>>87699816
Trump was

Democratic
Reform
Democratic
Independent
Republican
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>>87699788
>>87699765
So what I'm getting from this is that you people really need to go back to /pol/
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>>87699816
Ted looks the most natural in that pic. He must have done that before.
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>>87699816
Why would Trump pass up a chance to defeat THIS?
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>>87699785
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>>87699816
Trump wanted to sell hats and write a book about campaigning but he didn't expect all of his competition to be completely out of touch and incompetent. But that's just my insane theory.
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>>87699716
>Russia cut ALL formal ties with us.
No they didn't. The Russian ambassador is still in Washington and John Kerry and Sergei Lavrov have had high level talks over the past few months.

Where the hell are you getting your nonsense from?

>And there is literally boat loads of evidence that support the idea that war with Russia was a potential outcome
No there isn't - neither party was interested in pushing it that far and there's nothing Russia could do outside of an all-out nuclear strike - something that is well beyond what that would've called for.

Remember: this is the same nation that's having a hard time with Ukraine, a literal who that is right on their border. What the fuck are they going to do? Get their shit shoved in by NATO?

>It makes no sense to go after Russia for doing the same shit we do all the time.
Yes it does. They're not us. Fuck everyone who isn't us.

Next you're going to tell me that we shouldn't spy on them either.

>>87699736
Because there are too many links to them and the Russian intelligence services. Most of them probably are true - peppering in lies with truth make them all the more believable.
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>>87696770
>being this new
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>>87699816
Tell Ted to turn around. I want to see that booty pop.
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>>87699855
This is a very rude post.

Why would you do this?

I didn't say anything mean to you, but here you are, telling me right now to just up and leave.

What kind of person raised you to talk to people like this?

Do you not have any manners?

Any tact?

Why did you do that, anon?

Why did you do that?
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>>87699844
He was one of the only other Republican candidates that tried to tap into the anti-establishment momentum that got Trump into the White House. That, and being a huge Neocon probably gave him a slight advantage over other candidates with the Republican base. My dad supported him before seeing how much of a weasel he was. Funnily enough, my uncle latched onto Ted and never let go and my dad makes fun of him every chance he gets for it.
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>>87699857
Turns out they didn't.
>>87699844
Ted realized same as Trump that he could ride the Anger. Ted's mistake was believing that he could pivot Establishment midway for the nomination, and that he possessed a shred of charisma.
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>>87699758
Dude I'm AGAINST us interfering in syria.

The only thing in syria we want is stop assad from making a pipeline deal with russia which would give russia a little more power and hurt the petrodollar.
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>>87699874
>but he didn't expect all of his competition to be completely out of touch and incompetent.
He saw the 2008 and 2012 Republican race same as everyone else.
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>>87699695
But that's wrong, though.
>>87697418
>>87697544
>>87697914
>>87698273
>>87698544
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>>87699900
The only one who has less charisma than Hillary is Ted. Bernie at least had that somewhat kooky old grandpa schtick
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>>87699875
Then why hasn't Clinton, the DNC, or Podesta denied any of them?
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>>87699917
>The only one who has less charisma than Hillary is Ted
Even less than Jeb?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3socOQxUL68
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>>87699917
Bernie and Trump both realized that the non-stop assfucking the working classes have taken from every President from Reagan on had just about reached the boiling point.

The Establishment wanted the TPP, a worse version of NAFTA.
Bernie only failed because he mistook Presidential politics for Nice Guys Finish First.
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>Hating on Cruz

He was a great rival.

And a good friend.
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>>87699702
or maybe let third parties gain some of the ground the big two have lost.
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>Dem wins electoral loses popular vote
>Repubs: NOT MY PRESIDENT PROTEST ABOLISH ELECTORAL
>Dems: shut up whiners stand by your president
>Repub loses popular vote wins electoral
>Dems: NOT MY PRESIDENT PROTEST ABOLISH ELECTORAL
>Repubs: shut up whiners stand by the president support

You fucking retarded amnesiac hypocrites all of you.

Amerifats have brain damage. How can everyone not see this? None of you deserve to breed.
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>>87699940
Would you listen if they did?

Better to let it fade into obscurity than constantly keep it in the news.
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>>87699874
He saw the writing on the wall and paid attention to the discontent in rural areas. There was never a more ripe chance for an 'outsider', and there probably won't be for many, many years.
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>>87699963
Let's be real--there was NO chance the DNC was going to let anyone interfere with Hillary's [last] Chance to Make History.â„¢
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>>87699992
Democrats have won the popular vote in every election (with one exception) since '92. The only time they lost ('04), Bush won both the popular and electoral vote.
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>>87700000
checked

>[last] Chance to Make History
Is it because she's dying?
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>>87698663
>masses dictating the lives of the few
somehow worse than
>the few dictating the lives of the masses
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>>87699993
Considering most news outlets consider them the real thing and not one person in the Clinton campaign bothered to deny them (instead they just deflected it by blaming Russia every time they came up), there's more evidence for them being legitimate than fakes.
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>>87699944
Jeb is like a sad puppy. Ineffectual, but pitiable
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>>87699944
>Not please clap

You know tho, I respect Jeb. He's the only one that Trump bullied that didn't immediately line up to blow him. When Trump won the nomination and Donald unzipped his pants and said "suck it" while sitting on his throne with slavegirls Ted Cruz, Ben Carson, Chris Christy and Rudy Gulianni on leashes around him... Jeb was all like "fuck you, Donald" before walking away and never looking back.
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>>87700009
It's the people who inhabit all of the country having a voice alongside people who surge to urban population centers.

Again, America is not a cluster of city states, we are a nation that spans from coast to coast and beyond.
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>>87699944
If this was an anime, Trump would be the mean high school senpai bullying nerdy kouhai Jeb
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>>87700008
More losing two times in a row means no third try. She also lost once to Obama.
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>>87696421
This is silly. Nothing but good things can come of this in the short term (read a century or so). The real danger is letting anyone other than you have power, lest they go off the deep end, but in taking the power from them, you yourself have gone off the deep end.
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>>87699875

>No they didn't. The Russian ambassador is still in Washington and John Kerry and Sergei Lavrov have had high level talks over the past few months.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/syria-peace-talks/united-states-suspends-contact-russia-syria-n658741

>No there isn't - neither party was interested in pushing it that far and there's nothing Russia could do outside of an all-out nuclear strike - something that is well beyond what that would've called for.

How about literally the video I JUST showed you that putting a no fly zone over aleppo would cause war (which it would). How about the fact that Russia was preparing for nuclear war, Russia just released a new nuclear weapon, Russia explicitly stated that there would be http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/10/13/putin-ally-us-election-comments-todd-tsr-dnt.cnnwar, how about that hillary clinton said that any cyber attack done by Russia would be treated like an act of war, how about the clear and present motivation because putin wants a pipline with assad undermining American oil.

>Remember: this is the same nation that's having a hard time with Ukraine, a literal who that is right on their border. What the fuck are they going to do? Get their shit shoved in by NATO?

I'm not saying we wouldn't win the war (we would) but it would be a pyrrhic victory. Total war is much different than a proxy war and Russia has a lot of nukes. We'd win, but not without billions of deaths globally. Plus never underestimate how big a role willingness to fight matters. It's why America lost the vietnam war. Russians would have a much higher willingness to fight than Americans.

>Yes it does. They're not us. Fuck everyone who isn't us.

I can respect that sentiment but I not if it involves nuclear war. It'd be better for us to work with Russia so we can bullie Europe into Gib us Clay.
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>>87699788
>>87699765
This is ridiculous I thought America was ruled by its people so why does the majority get no say in matter compare to bumfuck Kenny and Billy who never even made past High School?
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>>87700080
>http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/syria-peace-talks/united-states-suspends-contact-russia-syria-n658741
Yes, about SYRIA.

>>87700080
>How about literally the video I JUST showed you that putting a no fly zone over aleppo would cause war
How about the whole video that I posted (and quoted) where he clarified that he was talking about total control of Syrian airspace and not a no-fly zone, which he later said would not require war.

>It'd be better for us to work with Russia so we can bullie Europe into Gib us Clay.
What in the actual fuck

Do you not understand geopolitics at all?
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>>87700134
>bumfuck Kenny and Billy who never even made past High School?

Please keep saying this. Just keep doing it. It's clearly working out.

And at its core, it's to prevent mob rule. I live in SoCal. I've been to LA countless times, and I can tell you, I don't know shit about Idaho. I don't know shit about the struggles of the people in the Rust Belt, so I sure as hell do not want my voice overpowering theirs on issues that they may have to deal with day in and day out.
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>>87700134
Because the sheer size of the country and how much of it is inhabited require somewhat different needs than implementing a direct democracy and calling it a day.

The wants and interests of all the people living in the biggest cities and most densely populated coasts can be very different from everyone else who don't live there, which is still a fuckton of people. How about reading the thread if you can't be bothered to read a book?
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>>87700157
I mean I genuinely think people can't comprehend how large this nation is. We're edging towards 400 million people, and you want all those lives dictated by those living in New York, LA, and any other major population center that's around?
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>>87700134
If you live in a less populous state your vote counts for more, proportionally. It's the same deal as having one of the houses of congress set up so every state gets two votes.
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>>87700008

It's doubtful they'll want to field her again in 4 years and in 8 she'll likely be too old to run if she's even in the minds of democrats by then. Hilldawg had a shot at Barry and failed miserably. She was the worst choice for the Dems this go around and they knew it but it was her turn. This shit had likely been worked out as far back as 2008. Why do you think Sanders a complete outsider was her only real opposition?
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>Thinking the other states wouldn't rebel if it was based on Popular Vote

You guys stupid or some shit? The entire rebellion that started this country was based on "Taxation without representation"

You remove the power these small states have and you remove any reason for them to be part of this union. You might get states bitching about "seceding" over Election results, but you'd actually have a fucking civil war if you allowed the existence Tyrant States that simply rule based on being population centers.

What you fucks need to do is start moving out from these dense urban centers and begin influencing these smaller states to balance things out, like you're doing to Texas to try and shift it Blue or wait for the Rich Business owners to choke the life out of these states like they already are.

The idea that you think Trump being President means he's got absolute power is hilarious. It shows how uneducated you fucks are. It makes me honestly believe that some of you have turned Government into your new religion and you're so fucking pissed because a fucking Satanist got elected as Pope.
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>>87699632
Sounds like this could be a comic strip
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>>87695742
>>87695767
This is actually one, if not only, of the smartest reasons one can have to vote for Trump.
I only wanted Hillary to win to see /pol/ go up in flames; that would've been a lot funnier.
But no, you wanted a show that's barely good anymore to have make more of the same jokes it has made before only re-applied to current events
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>>87700238
>like you're doing to Texas to try and shift it Blue
Wouldn't it become mathematically impossible for Republicans to win the president if Texas went blue?
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>>87700134
Because the founding fathers figured it would be a good idea to put in a second-step so retards couldn't meme an idiot into office.

Turns out we're dumber than they thought.
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Literally cannot find that email in the email search.
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>>87700238
It's a symptom of heightened unrest and anxiety, and the internet is there to let everyone openly ramble about it. When regular and everyday people are generally feeling generally ok/good about the economy and their lives, they don't show that much interest in politics.
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>>87700150
>How about the whole video that I posted (and quoted) where he clarified that he was talking about total control of Syrian airspace and not a no-fly zone, which he later said would not require war.

I literally already explained this, the general is saying that we cannot have total control over syria because we would need to put a not fly zone in Aleppo (which hillary said multiple times , including in the presidential debate) because putting a no fly zone in Aleppo would cause war with russia. That is what the general is referring to. We can put a no fly zone in syria, but not in Aleppo or any other area where it matters because it would lead to conflict with russia. You also ignored everything else I just told and still repeated the same point I just refuted.

> What in the actual fuck

>Do you not understand geopolitics at all?

I was joking about the gib clay part, but no it would absolutely be better for the two largest nuclear powers to not be at each other's throats
and for us to work together.
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>>87700282

Not impossible. Just really really fucking hard. This election Trump would have only carried it by like 1 vote if Texas went blue.
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>>87700284
If Trump's an idiot, what does that make everyone he manipulated?
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>>87700284
That idiot was still smart enough to tap into the growing discontent and lowered morale, and ride it to the White House. And yet the DNC with its gorillion dollars couldn't figure out the path to victory?
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>>87697510
This. Member when Romney was the one saying this and Obama told him to send his foreign policy to go back to the 80's?
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>>87700316

a lot of political commentators noted that Hillary is far more rightwing than Trump. Trump is a dyed in the wool New Yorker who's campaign was strongly antiwar while Hillary is practically a neoconservative. This whole election was basically opposite day.
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>>87700282
Why do you think it's popular for Californians to move to Texas now?

The plan is California is going to become a "peasant" state where they ship all the South American and Asian immigrants, lorded over by the very wealthy and celebrities who sell "the American Dream"

Texas will eventually be overrun by the the lower upper class and turned Blue.

The Democrats will enjoy and undisputed rule for a time, until the younger generations start turning on them because life isn't perfect which means life isn't perfect because the older generations ideas are outdated and stupid and we start the whole cycle over again.

>>87700294
That's the point. What's funny though is that Obama supposedly "fixed" everything, yet we're more uneasy than when he came into office 8 years ago during this election.
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>>87700282
Never gonna happen, not in fifty years. The only reason Austin is blue is because it's filled with hippies. Texas is the state that coined the phrase "we didn't leave the democratic party, the democratic party left us" They nuked their own chances when they killed off the last of the dixiecrats.

A really big mistake is to equate urban areas, education and culture with blue. That's not how it works in the south, and I really think most coastal democrats don't understand that.
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>>87697852
Nigger, you say that after major population centers around the world are nuked.
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>>87700358
I wonder what the alternate reality where the banks were just allowed to fail would've looked like
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>>87700343
>who's campaign was strongly antiwar

It really wasn't. The only campaigns you could describe as "strongly antiwar" this year were held below Trump and Clinton's names.
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>>87700196
It seems unusual to privilege a minority group in this way. It makes about as much sense as giving each racial group a set number of electors.

One man, one vote is much saner than the current system where votes in noncompetitive states (i.e. the majority of states) don't count.

>>87700225
Never underestimate the incompetence of the DNC. Right now they're more interested in shitting in the streets than introspecting.
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>>87700379
Recession would have been worse, deficit would have been better, and interest rates would be a fuckton more normalized than this fake little 0% bubble designed to force savers into the stock market that anyone with classical investments has been suffering under for almost a decade.
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>>87700394
>It seems unusual to privilege a minority group in this way

It is an attempt to prevent tyranny. Utah is just as valid of a state as California, and their people have struggles, and issues day to day, and they deserve a voice in that.

What would an average New Yorker know about the issues of a farmer?
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>>87699980
You did good, kid.

Oh, and the delegates...
Keep em. They're yours.

I never could get the damn things to work for me.
Heh.

I'll see you around, kiddo.
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>>87696728
Hilary have all the experience in losing.
Ho, and rejoicing to kadafhi death.
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>>87700298
>the general is saying that we cannot have total control over syria because we would need to put a not fly zone in Aleppo
You dense motherfucker. "CONTROL" is not a prerequisite for a no-fly zone if everyone agrees to it.

Jesus H Fucking Christ.

>it would absolutely be better for the two largest nuclear powers to not be at each other's throats
and for us to work together.
Oh great, I'll just CC that to the fucking Kremlin. Maybe they'll stop invading their fucking neighbors like Georgia and Ukraine.

>>87700301
Who is more foolish? The fool or the fool who follows the fool?

Trump sold the fucking moon and everyone bought it. Look at the stupid wall - when people started to rationalize it could be "symbolic" he doubled down and said it would be a real, physical wall. But here we are after the election with everyone trying to figure out how to weasel out of it.
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>>87700394
It's more of a protection than a privilage, and there is a difference. There is no opportunity for two itty bitty states like North and South Dakota to rule over the rest of the land in the same way New York and California potentially could.
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>>87700379
What I don't get is why Obama didn't let it happen.

I mean holy shit, the last time the banks failed, it ushered in a fucking Golden Age where FDR seized so much power for the Government it made their lives cushier than ever.

>One man, one vote is much saner
No. It's not. Because then it's just a matter of telling the most number of people you'll give them free stuff if they vote. The laws would bend over backwards for the sake of the larger states, and the smaller states would end up turned into Serf States.

The current system forces those who wish to be President to look at the problems of every individual state and understand them, in an attempt to make each state equal and valuable.

If we went by Popular Vote, the lives of people in Large Population Centers would be more valuable than the ones in small population centers.

You're being narrow minded
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>>87700454
>Who is more foolish? The fool or the fool who follows the fool?

I'm not talking about the people who voted for him.

I'm talking about the media.

I'm talking about the pundits.

I'm talking about every single person who gawked at his chances, because, after all, he was just a big orange blowhard with goofy hair, right?

And yet, he destroyed everyone who got in his way.
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>>87700453
Let me mourn a fucking terrorist despot
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>>87700479
>The current system forces those who wish to be President to look at the problems of every individual state and understand them, in an attempt to make each state equal and valuable.
I dont know it's supposed to be equal when some states have far more electoral votes than others. That pretty much ensures some states are more valuable and heard more than others.
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>>87700385
"Anti-realpolitik" would probably be the best descriptor for the Trump/Clinton divide.

Clinton wants to play the geopolitical game to preserve US hegemony, even if it means exacerbating the Syrian conflict. This is similar to the US actions in supporting anti-Soviet groups during the Cold War. ISIS will never be more than a nuisance to traditional nation-states and as such she sees it more as something to manage than an existential threat.

On the other hand, post-Cold War the US has lost some of its stomach for brutal utilitarianism and post-Iraq it's wary of meddling in the Middle East. Clinton (and the MSM) were seen as Iraq war cheerleaders eager to repeat the same mistakes in Syria.
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>>87700494
>And yet, he destroyed everyone who got in his way.
Destroyed is a bit strong. He literally did not expect to win and was in shock when they told him on election night.

He's still coming to terms with it - reportedly his meeting with Obama blew his mind as he had no idea what the President actually did (it's not golf all day) and doesn't even have the necessary staffers to staff the West Wing. He and his team just assumed that all the interns and political operatives would stay on and support him.
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>>87699785
artist?
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>>87700029
>>87698663
>Cities overwhelming the rural argument

If rural votes really mattered, why don't candidates ever visit? The EC only makes swing states important.

Also, that's a terrible argument. Even if you somehow feel that the majority shouldn't get their voice (small state representation is the point of the Senate, not the presidency) cities in the US aren't that big, nor are they monolithic voting blocks.

Candidates would have to visit dozens of cities all over the country to actually make an impact on the electorate.

Just visiting LA, New York and Chicago would get you slaughtered.

As it now stands people in Wyoming get 4x the voting power as someone in California.

The current system makes it theoretically possible for a candidate to win with just 22-23% of the vote. That's just stupid.
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If Trump does follow through with his promise to cut the lobbyist influence over the government, I wonder if he will surprise the Republicans "dems gunna take our guns" nuts by including the NRA in the list, or if he'll specifically leave their corruption alone.
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>>87700373
Dallas voted blue this presidential election.
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>>87700008
Considering she's incredibly unpopular right now, a lot of democrats see her as the reason for why they lost the election, and all the scandals that have come to light I doubt she has any political future at all.
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>>87700454

>You dense motherfucker. "CONTROL" is not a prerequisite for a no-fly zone if everyone agrees to it.

>Jesus H Fucking Christ.

HILLARY CLINTON = NO FLY ZONE OVER ALEPPO

NO FLY ZONE OVER ALEPPO = WAR WITH RUSSIA

PLUS LITERALLY EVERYTHING ELSE THAT POINTED TO WAR

GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS

YOU'RE JUST IGNORING SHIT NOW!!
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>>87700543
>If rural votes really mattered, why don't candidates ever visit?

Trump did.

And he won them.
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>>87700504

That's what the senate is for. To balance out and ensure that every state has an equal voice in legislation. The whole system is kind of mind boggling but there really is a reason for all of it. Right now we're seeing the cracks but the truth is without the EC this nation would have Balkanized long ago.
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>>87700530
Where'd you read all these assumptions?
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>>87700530
I saw the last two sentences word for word on another site. I'm really curious, what's the source on it?
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>>87700556
Would you agree that we should at least consider reorganizing the distribution of electoral votes between states, as the ratio has gotten a little off balance?
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>>87700504
It's a loaded gun either way, however with the EC it demands being far more carful with how you treat the country as a whole.
Popluar vote the country would be ran by New York City, Los Anglos, and Chicago. The rest of the country would like go 3rd world fast because they would only care about the cites that would ensure their future. Worse you likely see government pass laws that would elleiminte the ability for any other states to grow in power so if it was popular vote from day one Most west coast states would have been made a slave colonies with no voting rights to keep the power in the east.
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>>87700551
It feels like people don't about scandals nearly as much anymore. 1 or 2 of the things that came out against both Hillary and Trump could have ended other politicians' careers right there.

>yeah you might be a little corrupt and possibly worship Satan, but what're you gonna do for me, bottom line?
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>>87700549
Dallas is only 1/3 of the Metroplex and has had heavy outside interference this year, like all the paid protests.
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>>87700461
For this to apply, wouldn't we need to assume that states are monolithic entities that strongly vote the same way? Even in the current election California was a 2/3:1/3 split.
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>>87700588
And Trump won with only 53%.
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>>87700567
>>87700568
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/12/us/politics/trump-president.html?_r=0
http://www.wsj.com/articles/leading-contender-for-donald-trump-s-chief-of-staff-is-rnc-chairman-reince-priebus-1479069597
http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-obama-meeting-2016-11
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>>87700394
Actually, the current system in the US gives much more power to small states individually than in other democracies where votes are counted per person instead of per regional majority. Of course I'm not saying other democracies are perfect, but being able to say that a person with less singular votes wins an election is still beyond ridiculous. Other countries also put a minimum percentage of votes to be eligible, usually above 30%, despite having more than 2 relevant parties, and it's still a number that no candidate met in the latest US election.
And in the end, small city vote is completely innefectual to the lives of the people there; more less developed than 3rd world equivalents and no politician has ever given a fuck about them.
>>87700453
Bad experience is still experience and it's still better than no experience. Quoting Edison "I have not failed. I've just found 10000 ways that won't work.".
>>87700555
Trump didn't visit anyone, he just pandered to their ideals.
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>>87700575

I'm not smart enough to agree or disagree with that. There are too many minds to it. On one hand if you represented populations equally California would get several more votes and would have more influence than they currently do. That would leave a lot of states feeling more strong armed by a single state than they already do. On the other hand larger states like California can find themselves in situations like these where despite their vast populations they've become largely irrelevant in the grand scheme of things compared to much smaller states like Iowa and Ohio. Right now I'd just prefer not to mess with it. It's busted sometimes and that causes a lot of panties to twist when it is but most of the time it works as intended.
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>>87700554
Wrong.
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>>87700608
Gee, it sure is foreboding that the state that wanted Cruz and hated Trump still only gave a full 25% more votes to him than Hillary. Seriously, bro.
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>>87700618
>Trump didn't visit anyone, he just pandered to their ideals.

Not an argument, just a flailing moan of someone man that Trump paid attention to people who weren't just living in coastal mega cities.
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>>87700618
>Bad experience is still experience and it's still better than no experience. Quoting Edison "I have not failed. I've just found 10000 ways that won't work.".
so, why people bragged about Trump's bankruptcy?
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>>87700581
I think with Hillary the scandals never became as big as they should have been because she basically had most of the media and establishment trying to help her win. Without the media in her pocket, the race wouldn't even be close. As for Trump, he's pretty much a goddamn anomaly. Sure, the media was constantly outraged about him but none of the dirt they had on him could ever stick, and the man had nearly a mountain's worth. I think it's partly because Trump was poised to take advantage of the perfect storm. Belief in the media/establishment was/is an all time low and Trump was able to out-maneuver them at every turn.
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>>87700555
Please, there were many that got skipped entirely.

2/3rds of the visits this campaign were in 6 states.

Trump missed visiting (during the general): Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, Delaware, Hawaii, Idaho, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Massachusetts, Montana, New Jersey, New York, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Oregon, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Vermont, West Virginia, and Wyoming

Those he did visit were usually in urban areas.

Politicians don't visit areas they think are on lock. Therefore: rural doesn't matter.

Swing is all that matters.
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>>87700575
If by redistribute you mean breaking states that reach a certain threshold into sectors rather than one population center determining where the state goes then yes. The States of California and New York are examples of what the popular vote does to a State. Nobody fights over them anymore because the group in power is so entrenched it's pointless.

But the groups in control of the larger states will never allow it because it'll become a threat to the controlling parties power.

The system we have was built on the idea that being a Senator or a House member was not profitable. That to do that work you'd have to sacrifice time and money each year. Now people make their entire living off being Politicians and the power it gives. The system is corrupt because those who in power have become corrupt.

They will never make the choice that will strip them of power, because they love power too much now. They get to be aristocrats in all but name. They even get their own Health Care compared to ours.

Why do you think they'll never enforce term limits on themselves?
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I miss Kenny
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>>87700441
>>87699980
Cruz jokes are top of the shelf.
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>>87700511
To be honest I prefer Trump because the United States cannot continue with any more "nation building" and supporting "democracy advocates" in Syria and Libya. Bush screwed the world and Obama didn't mind taking a few pages from his book. Hillary will simply continue the tradition and will be a more ruthless President than Obama.

Unlike most of America, I'm sick of the blood spilled by my country's hand.
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>>87700454
>if everyone agrees to it.
Which Russia literally never would. They're protecting their allies who are suffering a civil war while dealing with Isis. The fact that America, who is supporting the rebels to an established government, thinks they can dictate no fly rules is bitting enough. Hillary is a fucking war hawk, and frankly, had she gotten in you'd have deserved the nuclear fire that she brought down on all of the civilised world.
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>>87700642
I miss not just having a season spread 3 jokes across it.
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>>87700641

I can agree to that much. California is far too big for its own good. The north of the state hates the south almost as much as the states around California hate it. There has been successionist talk for years but the southern cities just have far too much control and influence to ever make that a reality.
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>>87700634
I think it has to do with people going 'I worked with the guy and he is an idiot' since a lot of those other businesses he has no actual hand in and it is more like a store becoming part of the 7/11 franchise to drum up sales due to brand recognition.

Not entirely sure but that is the gist I get for the most part.
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>>87700662
>blood spilled by my country's hand
Don't be a sook. The reason you should get the hell out isn't so idealogical. It's moral and financial.
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>>87700641
Term limits aren't necessarily a great idea though.

I'll agree we need things in place (campaign finance, better voting systems/method, less gerrymandering) to limit incumbent advantage... but the majority of junior legislators are overwhelmed by the job.

This means that they are more likely to simply follow the advice of advisers (aka, lobbies).

It's a statistically proven fact that lobbies have greater impact on voting trends and proposals by less senior legislators.
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>>87700685
>moral
That has no place in today's times.
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>>87700632
Maybe when you lrn 2 english you'll understand what an argument is.
>>87700634
The people who initially brought his bankrupcies to the table were either trying to counter the "he's a self-made man/succesful business manager" or trying to showcase him as a scammer.
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>>87699541
roastie getting toastie
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>>87700580
Even if we assume everyone in the entire Combined Statistical Area (which includes the suburbs and surrounding rural areas) for those cities, that's still just less than 50 million people in a 320 million person nation.

It seems unusual to treat individual areas in our nation as city-states preparing for war against each other. Geographical location is a much poorer predictor of political affiliation than race or income.
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>>87700685
The hell is sook? I, for one remember what this republic stand for, and the Constitution that it was supposed to uphold.
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>>87700688
>It's a statistically proven fact that lobbies have greater impact on voting trends and proposals by less senior legislators.

That's natural, because the lobbiest are getting their hooks in early.

It's common sense that the stats say that, because the older politicians have already made their wheels and their deals and know how to be subtle about it. They've settled with their partners.

If the House and Senate were forced to change constantly, it'd be a constant marathon for Lobbyists being forced to spread themselves thinner and being unwilling to put as much into winning a certain person because the limited amount of time they could get a return.

The Lobbyist try so hard with the newbies to either crack them or get ones who'll be accomplishes for life.
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>>87700708
>trying to showcase him as a scammer.
the perfect politician then.
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>>87700663
>Which Russia literally never would.
Which is why it never happened.

These claims it would lead to war are patently absurd. You people are no different than the communist shills that came before you.
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>>87696704
Hillary is another US politician
Trump is a complete delusional manchild
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>>87700078
We have nothing to gain from Russia other than oil and we already have that.
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>>87700756
A younger congressman is more vulnerable to a lobbyist solely because they are just that much inexperienced than a lobbyist. With term limits, there would also be the added bargaining chip of a very lucrative job after a very very short two year job.

Term limits are a nice idea on paper, and in practice they might actually be pretty good, but we need to reform a lot of other shit first before we can get to that point.
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>>87700702
>says complaining about violence
It was the introduction of this 'by any means' attitude that started changing the face of war fare for the worst anyway. Naturally war was always horrific and pragmatic but they still had some standarads that they wouldn't willingly cross, had they any other option.

>>87700755
Sook could be equated to crying child or pussy, if you like; a complainer or coward.
Please by all means, tell me about the purpose of the rebulic whose conception and purpose you remember so much about.
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>>87700767
>populist candidate of the left was a socialist
>the supporters of the right who are happy to have a working relationship with an old enemy are the communists
You need to kill yourself.
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>>87700663
I wouldn't call it insane. We fucked with the Russians in far more overt ways during the Cold War, and nuclear tensions were much greater then.

The issue is that most Americans don't see preserving hegemony as worth providing de facto support to ISIS, especially given the context of the Soviet-Afghan War.
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>>87700807
They're shills all the same, just fascists this time around. They're still pushing the same tired propaganda about "peace" and "US warmongering".

They deserve death, traitors the lot of them.
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>>87700787
How about prosperity, peace and dignity. Things that would be denied you, were you to thoughtlessly pursue uneqivocal opposition to them
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>>87700791
It's not for war profiteering, or selling out to transnational corporations, or to be entangled with foreign blunders.
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>>87699009
>why do you guys make fun of the retard who for a solid year was the LITERAL increasingly nervous man

If you're this out of touch with people then it's no wonder why you lost the election.
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>>87700831
>everyone who disagrees with me must be paid to push foreign agenda
That's a pretty interesting case of schizophrenia you have there. While I admit that there logically must be foreign forces at play in almost all camps, even the small ones, the conclusion is not to judge the idea by the threat posed by foreign power but by the pragmatics of the change it is proposing.
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>>87700831
>t. cuckservative

If you want, there's still time to fling yourself on a Russian bayonet in Syria. Go out with style~
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>>87700831
The funniest thing I find about contemporary, westerm fascist is how they value as virtues exactly many things of what fascism originaly described as the measles of civilization.
Same thing happens to communists and hard on capitalists, America and Britain, such backward places.
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>>87699009
That the data suggested such things means the metrics are no longer effective or the models are outdated. They deserve to be ashamed. On the other hand, it worked out for the winning team for them to be beyond comprehension. Perhaps we SHOULD give them a break so that their continued mediocracy will allow for more potent change in future.
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>Nearly a week later and /co/ is still salty about the election

AHAHAHAHA /co/mblr and /qa/ aren't nearly that different after all. But still, SP is still bretty shitty with or without President Trump.
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>>87700901
The difference is /qa/ backed down knowing they were wrong. /co/mblr is hard in it and unlike /qa/ shitters actually have a reason to come back to /co/.
The spice will flow for at least six months here.
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>>87700901
Yeah, it's worse than /tv/. At least half of /lgbt/ are chill, but a lot of boards are triggered.
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>>87700834
We wont get those things from crushing them. Which we easily could.
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>>87700901
>/co/mblr and /qa/ aren't nearly that different after all.
That's a comparison I don't hear often.
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>>87700901
Yeah this season has been pretty shit. They really got to turn things around next time.
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>>87700916
They will crush us in return.

That's kind of the point of a nuclear exchange. When will people like you realize that declaring war with nuclear powers means Armageddon?
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>>87700875
>cuckservative
Not even

>>87700860
Some are paid, others are useful idiots. Troll Brigades are real and all this "RUSSIA IS A GOOD NATION, THEY DINDU NUFFIN" shit is too thick to be a coincidence.

Literally nobody had anything positive to say about Russia until Donald Trump came out and tried to fellate Putin on air.
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>>87700916
>Which we easily could.
Not really. Russia made dirty missles specifically as a fuck you to the defense system.They can be detonated off one coast and the fallout will only start faltering on the other side.
All you can do is bully them. Get existential in your threats and it will be the two of you that are injured (along with the rest of us). Anti-Russian dick waving is ridiculous.
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>>87700915
>Yeah, it's worse than /tv/
Now that I think about it how did /tv/ took Trump winning?
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>>87700942
>>87700946
I didnt say i wanted war. Obviously conflict on that scale would just lead to mutually assured destruction because they're such sore losers. And yes, wanting a nuclear apocalypse because you'd lose a war is a sign of being a sore loser.
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>>87700962
The /pol/ side celebrated, the rest continued with CTR-esque posts and threads.
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>>87700943
All cuckservatives are neocons at heart. The only issue is what mix of neoliberalism with neoconservatism it takes to satisfy you.

The only issue is that I doubt you'll find any inner peace just from that revelation. Maybe you'll feel at home dying in some jungle or mountain steppe, thinking "boy I sure did cause another bungle on Russia's border" before you bleed out.
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>>87700943
Well I think you're saying that anecdotally. I liked Russia before Trump, and so did many of my relatives who keep up with global politics. While those two groups are invariably involved there are certainly others who have observed the situation, as it has occured, and don't see russia in the same way you do.
It is possible for a truth that benefits someone to still be the truth.

Two things:
Verify if something is true for yourself
Question why you're being told the information and how that interacts with the implications of the knowledge you were given.

Something can be true told for an oppurtunistic reason. That doesn't make the implication any less substantial. It just means you need to be aware of the uses of that knowledge.

If anything, the outright and automatic dismisal of any 'truth' that isn't from a souce you personally and previously align with makes you the most useful idiot of all.
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>>87700946
>Russia made dirty missles specifically as a fuck you to the defense system.They can be detonated off one coast and the fallout will only start faltering on the other side.
1.) That's nothing new or novel.
2.) Fallout is unpredictable with the weather and it's absurd to think it won't affect people randomly.
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>>87696590
I thought Randy would be immune to Member Berries because he's PC, but that went out the window last episode with the infection vomit. We'll just have to see.
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>>87700970
You say that and yet your country started this nuke shit. It stockpiles and even polices them in other nations. If that's the sign of a sore loser then you are the biggest of them all.

To be clear, I prefer your money hungry type of global leadership. China and Russia wouldn't sit back and let culture be a passive change. They would steam roll countries like mine. My preference for you, however, doesn't preclude you from the reality of your own actions.
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>>87700970
Then why go through a course of action that will lead to war with Russia in the first place? Why do we need to keep playing stupid games in the Middle East? What could possibly be in America's interest to oust Assad and create more political vacuums for extremists to fill in?
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>>87701019
They seem pretty happy with it, so I'd expect it's a little more effective than you're giving it credit for. In any case, who cares. As long as you burgers and ruskies aren't sparking up then we will never have to worry about it.
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>>87701047
If the bombs are falling, I'd prefer it if my country isn't the one who goads others into an exchange. Thankfully cooler heads prevailed.
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>>87701014
Which would be fine if anyone posted anything other than half-truths and lies from conspiracy theory sites, Russian propaganda sources, and unsourced articles passed around on shitty right-wing blogs.

This election saw people politicize fact checkers. Fact. Checkers. Questioning the very people whose job it was to check these things out and rejecting anything they said because it went against their orthodoxy, but oh look, here's an article that totally proves the Clintons are lizard jews who worship ancient evils!
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>>87701040
We shouldnt. I didnt say i wanted to stay on that path either, i dont know where that's coming from.

>>87701034
We have the largest stockpiles of nuclear weapons because we are, unarguably, the largest global super power. Our military dwarfs every other on the planet, we spend more on it then entire handfuls of other countries spend on sustaining themselves combined. These are to be used recklessly, they're to stave off war, they're to show others what happens if you intend to upset a global balance or make conflict mindlessly. No where in my post did i say i wanted these used and i dont think our leaders ever should want to as well.
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>>87701075
'fact checkers' are self appointed and paid. It was a forgone conclusion that they would become vehicles of political influnce. The only fact checker that exists, or needs to, is the individual who chooses to consume political media. Those who 'bump' into political media, of course will never do such a thing.

The fact that you deny the issues both inherent to and evidenced by events with fact checkers is concerning. I hope less people take on opinions like yours in future.
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>>87701075
Thanks for Correcting the Record.

I voted for Clinton and the constant unwarranted media dicksucking she got was what allowed her to comfortably turtle in the Hitlerbunker while losing the election.
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>>87701040
>What could possibly be in America's interest to oust Assad
Control of the Iran-Iraq-Syria pipeline and to deny the Russian Navy a warm-water port in the Mediterranean.

>>87701112
And I hope your neck doesn't snap when they finally hang you.

>>87701141
No you didn't.
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>>87701146
When who hangs me, friend?
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>>87701146
And give the Saudis control over the only country that was an ally of Iran in the middle east? With an increasingly pro-Iran Iraq?
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>>87701146
I held my nose and voted for the lesser of two evils.

If more Democrats had lowered their standards like I did we would have won the election.

We can either fix the DNC or we can lose again in 2020.
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>>87701164
We should be promoting Jordan as the leader of the Arab world, but I understand the reasons why we keep the Saudis in power and the dangers of the pan-Arab movement.

Regardless, playing nice with Iran (provided they honor their fucking deals) would go a long way to curbing Russian and Chinese influence in the region. Not that they're anyone's puppet, but you'd have to be a fool to not notice the increased attention Tehran has gotten from Moscow and Beijing.

Not that I'm particularly enthralled with the idea of the Iranians being given free reign, but we've ignored a lot of the overtures their peace faction made toward us during the Bush administration for domestic political gain and it only propped up the hardliners.
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>>87701248
It's not hard to fix. Hillary's problem is that she has no natural charisma and couldn't combat the years of propaganda against her like her husband can. They won when they were young and the neoliberal, Reagan-esque economic policy was en vogue, but things have changed. The biggest problem is that the establishment has always been too conservative in who they nominate: Gore, Kerry, Clinton each have the charisma of a rotting log and they took too many votes for granted, hoping their political machines would turn out the vote.

Elizabeth Warren is not the right candidate - she doesn't resonate with the kind of people Bernie Sanders did. They're going to have to find someone young and dynamic, like Obama and JFK and throw them up there to stand up against that shitshow Trump. Someone looks at home in a crowd, someone the voters can look too for inspiration instead of desperation.

God only knows who that person is. The entire establishment is rotten and compromised and with the GOP firmly in control of the government at every level, it'll be a nightmare just to overcome all the little dirty tricks they're going to play to stack the deck. Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer have to go - they're the old guard and they've been dragging the party down for years. Warren wants to stay in the Senate, let her be the firebrand we need.
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>>87701326
I'd call that hard to fix. We need a new crop of young leaders when Hillary has spent the years after her loss to Obama systematically salting the earth.

Fixing the DNC isn't going to be an easy task, especially when its establishment component is doubling down after the loss.
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>>87701416
The party leadership is a function of the party. Given how many people staked their fortunes to the Clintons, all the young turks are sharpening their knives as we speak. What are they going to say to the party members? Look at my long and distinguished track record of failures?
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>>87701443
Internal party politics take place outside the scope of our official political process, so there are a lot more smoke-filled rooms than in the general election. I don't expect the financial and media elite to go down without a fight.

On the other hand, the recent election showed that you can spend more money than any campaign in history and have the backing of every media outlet in the world (even Fox News) and still lose, so it's not an unwinnable fight.
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>>87699984
Seriously though, with Maine paving the way for ranked choice voting that completely eliminates the "throwing away your vote argument" could it happen?
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>>87701546
The Senate and House leadership are their own animals and there are grumblings in both - the DNC chair is going to be decided by the elites and the state chairs, none of whom should be happy by what just happened.

They're in it to win it. There won't be any delusions; someone will get stabbed.
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>>87701443
the young turks aren't going to do shit you dumb fuck
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