Does /co/ like Superman at all? When talking about Superman,

>>87692479
Superman is just boring man. So it's no surprise a Superman thread will just drift to a more superior character, in this case Batman.

>>87692479
It's just the batfags, they like to think the character they worship is superior for some reason.

>>87692479
When written good he's fantastic.
But in 99% of cases, he's written poorly, as a mary sue.

One of his major problems is that he lacks personality.

>>87692528
Superman - the one guy with the greatest powers possible, chooses to do the right thing. Not because muh parents, or muh shot uncle, but because it's the right damn thing to do with powers like his. He is free from wanting ultimate power, because he already has it.

Whilst all the other heroes are dark, cool and cynical (which is often mistaken for being smart), Superman is optimistic, heroic and believes in the good in people. He even treats his enemies with respect unlike, say, Spider-Man who berates his villains whilst breaking their bodies.

And this is the hero people hate.

The only time any of the Supers have been interesting to me is when they're interacting with each other. I never get tired of the lame "I remember you when you were a baby" jokes Kara gets to make

>>87692528
this is the mindset of an utter pleb

>>87692528
bait

>>87692581
More like 5% of cases. The vast majority of Superman comics are high quality, with very few bad ones. I'd say less than 100 in his entire history are bad.

>>87692479
i like longhaired superman and I like the death and return storyline. i also like DCAU's unique version of supergirl and a lot of its other shit
lois and clark was a good show too

>>87695320
Superman with long hair is baller and I like the reign of the supermen arc. The other guys are so cool.

>>87692602
I love both Superman and Spiderman.

I love Supes because he is the quintessential hero, hes good, courageous, kind, respectful, and sees the good in pretty much everyone. Which is why I hate whenver I see people whine about Superman being a good person and wanting to see gritty Superman, or all those garbage Superman turns evil storylines.

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>>87692479
SUPERMAN

THE MAN OF STEEL

SUPERMAN

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>>87697687
No idea why the pic was saved like that.

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>>87697765

>check Superman thread
>is about complaining about other heroes

Yep, nothing new to see I guess.

>>87692479
Batfag here. All true batfags know superman and Batman are ultimate bro's and cherish the relationship between the two as iconic and enduring for a variety of reasons.
The BatmanvsSuperman discussion is a cancer on the medium and the direct result of a bunch of man children either ass blasted by one good alt-universe or trying to force said alt-universe as canon despite the idea at it's core being fucking retarded.

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>>87697915
Real batfag here. This fag is a pleb. Batman is superior in everyway possible.

i dont hate superman, I haven't read any of his comics outside of him crossing into other people's comics. I just don't think he's that interesting, I like heroes with flaws and he doesn't really give me that. If superman never existed and his character was created today I think his comic sales would be shit.

>>87693065
Superman's time is over, faggot. Time to make way for Captain Marvel (Shazam).

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>>87692479

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:^)

>>87692479
No he is a cunt.

>>87698993
Wow, Superman is a cuck.

I hate edgy Supes. If I wanted that I'd go read practically any other comic.

>>87693112
LOL.

Superman fans are possibly the most insecure fanbase on this website desu.

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>>87700226

>>87699865
Show me 101 bad Superman comics. Might even bump it up to 6% if you show me 150.

>>87692479

Oh look, another Superfag starts a thread talking about Batman. You guys are are seriously insecure.

>>87692479
/co/ loves superman, it's just the regular faggot that derails everything every time

>>87692479

I like superman.I really don't care for Batman. I don't think they need to be juxtaposed, but do think in some ways they are made to be.

>>87700981
oh the irony

Superman isn't as loved because he no longer reflects America.

Long gone are the days where a man could walk in the city and feel safe and do the right thing because he knows justice exists.

We live In times where vigilantism has become a necessity and no one trusts anyone (no matter which side of the debate you fall on).

Batman better reflects the modern political climate.

I've been in tons of threads that were derailed by Supesfags....a lot of times not even involving Batman, but even Marvel characters

Supesfags are as obnoxious, pushy, and elitist as any other group of "fags" on this board but in modern culture everyone likes to play the victim , even fans of the most iconic super hero ever have to make up excuses to feel victimized by people who don't agree with them

>>87702348

Point it out

>>87702556
I'm not that anon, but I'm going to take a wild guess and assume he's saying it's ironic because they think Batfags talk shit about Superman

Just a guess

>>87700484
Show me at least a dozen great Superman stories then. Hard mode: No pre crisis, no out of continuity or limited series.

>>87692479

I want to like him, because as >>87692602
points out, he's a being that can do anything, and he chooses to do the right thing. But i don't like his catchphrase "Truth, Justice and the American way". When i think in the United States, goodness it's not the first thing that comes to my mind.

Not trying to bring /pol/ here, just my honest opinion. Bats is not that much of a nationalist icon, so i can relate to him more.

>>87702961
>But i don't like his catchphrase "Truth, Justice and the American way".
It used to be "truth, justice, and freedom."

>>87692479
He is a cunt.

>>87692479
I love Superman.

The people who say they don't are those, who've only ever seen the OP Donner Superman or the fucking terrible Snyder Superman.

>>87703411
Donner and Snyder both have good versions so that's a bad theory.

Better theory is that they're degenerates and seeing someone who is actually a good person triggers them. Basically, "not being a degenerate" means "TOO PERFECT" for them. It's disgusting.

Batman needs to be fixed to be like his older incarnation. We really do need a "Return of the Caped Crusader." I hope Snyder delivers this on JL. Feels like it's building up to that.

>>87702647
This is gonna be tough because I love Silver and Golden Age Superman. Not only that, but I rarely catch the names or numbers of the comics I read.

I'm not at my computer right now so this is from memory. I know for sure Action Comics #775 was awesome. Grant Morrison's New 52 Action Comics were good too. I liked the post-crisis Superman/Batman comics but I don't think many of those are canon. Joe Casey's Superman comics were top tier though. Rebirth Superman is also good; for sure I can remember #6-10, but I remember 1 and 2 only being mediocre. I think that should be enough if we count them individually.

Mostly my point was that Superman doesn't have that many bad comics. Many of them are mediocre at the very least, and the majority of them are good to great.

>>87692550
>It's just the batfags, they like to think the character they worship is superior for some reason.


Probably having better stories?

>>87692479
Supermanfags have a serious inferiority complex

>>87692581
>as a mary sue.

Mary Sue is not a blanket term for goody-two-shoes, boyscout type characters.

/tv/ should learn to use the word.

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I love Superman, and 'which character is better' conversations don't really do much for me. I don't think its really worth debating.

It's not possible for a human, as far as we've seen, to become as powerful as superman.

People like Bat-man because though he's on the edge of what is humanly possible, it's still within reach.

You could say that his intellect, strength, skill and wealth are impossible, but they're not. They're almost impossible.

And we know it.

>>87703853
>Kents to teach him truth, justice, and the American way.
Superman is >>Trump.

>>87692602
>Not because muh parents

That's exactly why Superman does it. Because his parents made him a good boy.

If the Kents weren't that important to the mythos of Superman than we wouldn't have Elseworlds stories like "Superman: Dark Side" that show what happens when there is no Kents to teach him truth, justice, and the American way.

>>87703879
Superman is >>>Trump.

>/co/ - Television and film jr.
>Knowing or liking anything other than Batman and Marvel movies

l m a o

>>87692479
I liked Supeman as a kid. As an adult I just don't think he is all that interesting since he is impossible to take seriously.

>/co/
>liking Batman over Superman
>Batman fans derailing Superman thread

So things that never happen

>>87702961
I mean he barely says American way anymore and has really been distanced from his nationalist roots.

Ultimately I'm fine with Superman as a character that, like Captain America, likes America at its best but isn't afraid to criticize America at its worst.

>>87692479
/co/ generally likes Superman a lot. Also, only fags fight for who is better, real gentlemen like both Superman and Batman.

>>87702961
>>87704201
It's just the same as Captain America The American Way does not reflect what America really is. It's just an ideal to strive towards. I'm not from USA but I can understand that those are good ideals independently of where you live in.

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>>87697915
Superfsg here. Just happy to see there's someone on the otherside who thinks these discussions are as stupid as I do. Supes and Bats are supposed to be the ultimate bros, not enemies and the fact that so many fans feel the need to shit on one of them to make the other look better does a disservice to the characters.

>>87700245
High as fuck Superman is a gift.

>>87701176
Eh there isn't anything wrong with this. Batman just lost his superman. It's not a surprise he'd still be testy around the replacement.

Honestly, all the overexposure of Batman has made me resent the character and his rogue gallery. Superman is conservative and refreshing in comparison.

>>87703879
Snyder's version is ridiculously good because the Kents gave him a choice to either help humanity or not, and he decided to help it despite being bullied along the way. Man of Steel was great.

>>87704438
Oh yeah I love this page for that exact reason. It's good for both of them. I didn't mean any sort of negativity from it.

>>87702961
He's a nationalistic symbol. Snyder, DC, and WB can try to make compatible for the rest of the World by stripping him of his nationalistic roots but it's not working. The original fans aren't biting.

>>87704453
Man of Steel was terrible. Snyder's objectivist philosophy really ruins the character.

>>87701176

I like the page when Wondy finds Batman crying over the death of Clark. I mean bruce is always ready to die or lose his family, but Superman is THE person he loves he believes will never get taken from him.

You can spot a hack writer pretty easily: they don't get the friendship of bats and superman right.

>>87704494
How was it bad? He put aside his objectivist philosophy for this movie because Superman annihilates it. You know the way you think doesn't HAVE to affect everything you make, right?

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>>87704611
Batman reacting to Supes death in the New52 has been interesting.

>>87702377
Batfags don't play the victim, they play the bully, just like godzillafags.

But Batmanhaters are pure CANCER. They could make threads about ted kord, or their fVORITE xmen, but no... instead we get 30 why batman doesnt just kill the joker threads a day.

Superman is great

>>87704639
I hope he kills Superdad.

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>not liking both

>>87704772
Doubt it'll go that far but It'll be hard for writers to give bats and Superdad the kind of close relation that Bats and Superbro did without it feeling cheap. They had to earn their friendship and it was something that grew together. I'm worried the writers are just going to say "They're friends now" and expect us to accept that.

>>87704842
Batman hate him .

>>87704639
Did they kill him again?

>>87692479
This board has bat-cancer real bad.
It ruins everything.

>>87704952
Killed him and instantly replaced him. You know cause fuck anyone attached to Superbro.

>>87705018
I'm not upset that they killed Superman again as much as I'm upset at how lazy they are with the ideas.

>>87705099
It is a pretty blatant rehash of the original death of Superman. You have the new Superboy in Super-Man, there's been a return of the Eradicator, a kinda Cyborg superman has been bothering Supergirl, Steel is still around. Doomsday showed up for some reason. Honestly I'm still not sure what the endgame is going to be in relation to Superdad and Superbro. Hopefully it's not too fucking stupid.

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>>87705875

>>87692479
I like both. I just like Superman better.
I don'y know why their fans are always at each others throats.

>>87703474
>Better theory is that they're degenerates and seeing someone who is actually a good person triggers them. Basically, "not being a degenerate" means "TOO PERFECT" for them. It's disgusting.
>The character you like defines your worth as human being
>You can only empathize with characters that share your same values

kys please.

>>87706857
>You can only empathize with characters that share your same values

This is true for people who hate Superman though. They don't have the brain power to empathize with anyone not like them.

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>>87692479
I love Superman, he's my favorite superhero, I just don't like his movies much.

For me, he's a character who works best in the comics.

>>87707060
What about animated shows and movies? Some of his best moves look really cool when animated.

>>87699928
Only after Batfags and Marvelfags.

>>87692581
Superman lacks personality in the same way that white people lack culture. It's a meme.

>>87707358
I enjoy the Fleischer Serials. I haven't seen any other animated show or movie.

>>87706898
And this is why people hate Supermanfags.

>>87707572
Cause and effect buddy. They hate fans of Superman because they hate Superman. Then they get mad when people point it out.

>>87703835
> I cannot like a character that triggers my autism

>>87707850
Not really, i like Superman, but i still find his fanbase cancerous.

>>87692602
couldnt have said better myself, people have yet to realize how awesome of a character supes is.

>>87692528
Sometimes people want an actual optimistic superhero and not the brooding "goddamn" Batman.

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>>87708088
>Whilst all the other heroes are dark, cool and cynical
>all the other heroes
>all
Yeah, just look at all this edge and cynicism.

>>87708088
Why not optimistic Batman?

Speaking of optimistic Batman... Snyder strikes again. Can't believe he overcame the odds and made Batman bright again. This whole "darker" and "edgier" trend finally culminated in BvS with Batman being at a point where nobody thought he would go. He'll never get lower than that, and now he's going back to the good ol' days. I miss the Caped Crusader and he's coming back. So glad.

>>87708237
meant to quote:
>>87692602

>>87708088
But that's a point too, Batman is an optimistic hero in his own way.

People forget that Batman is still a symbol of hope in Gotham.

I love Superman, always have, and so did every generation before 2000 for the most part. He has, since his inception, been in the public eye nonstop in radio, tv and film. Superman isn't in favor anymore because today people hate the idea they need to be better then they already are. Everyone is too busy looking for validation in their flaws instead of trying to raise above them. Why try hard when not trying at all gives you enough to live on anyway?

>>87703879
Want I meant was, nothing tragic happened to the Kents that made him go "Hey, I should be using these powers for good!"

(New52 Supes notwithstanding)

>>87708555
>Superman isn't in favor anymore because today people hate the idea they need to be better then they already are
Right, because the guy who has dedicated entire life and fortune in making Gotham a better place and giving people hope, is clearly the epitome of conformism.

Batman is literally the one that has no personality.

>>87708012
Dude, Batman's fan base is literally the cancer of comics.

Superman is just boring for me unless Kryptonite or Magic is involved

>>87709546
>giving people hope

Giving the common people hope is Superman's gig.

Batman only gives fear to those who would prey upon the common good people.

>>87709865
That's because the cancerous extended Batfamily siphon off all of Bruce's personality just so they can have character. I really wish all of them would just fuck off and die already.

>>87709904
Nope, that's the people always complaining about Batman who are the true cancer. See the thread for the Justice League: Dark trailer for more examples.

>>87710479
>Batman only gives fear to those who would prey upon the common good people.
It has been stated that Batman has become a cause of hope for the people in Gotham.
It may not always be their main trait like in Superman case, but supeheroes give hope to people to some degree.

>>87709904
Batman fanboys don't cry for five years about not muh batman or not muh underwear. Superfags are on the level of X fags when it comes to cancerous fanbases.

>>87710479
all the heroes give hope
the entire Justice League does it
Superman just does it better because he is Superman

>>87692479
Only for plebs who think "my perfection is more relateable thsn your perfection" is a real debate.

>>87711598
>Superman just does it better because he is Superman

Such deep. Such depth.

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>>87703801
>>87704404
These anons are redpilled as fuck.

>>87711669
I don't particularly agree with it to be honest, but that's how it is in the DC universe.

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>>87692528