List your /co/ related triggers. >Let friend borrow Watchmen

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>>87657024
>man -insert female character here is awesome-
>really? what'd you like about her
>She's hot

Referring to everything as a graphic novel

>>87657024
vs. threads/power levels

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>>87657179
EVERY.
GODDAMN.
TIME.

>>87657024

your trigger is people being right?

>>87657211

>"I'm really enjoying the Trinity comic. The art by Manapul is fantastic."
>"Who'd win in a fight? Them or The Hulk?
>I don't know. I just like the artwork...
>But Marvel is so much better than DC. (Guy never reads comics. Doesn't even watch cartoons. Just seen movies.)

Any kind of console war shit. Just read both and stop pretending like anyone that says positive things about a publisher you don't like is shilling for them

>>87657345
>talking comics with someone who doesn't read them
Why bother? You have /co/ for that.

>>87657024
"I didn't want to read this, the writing was bad, the characters were dumb, it was shit, everything was shit, I don't have a single specific complaint."

>>87657024
any time anyone says graphic novel

>>87657024
People only watching a show because of their shitty waifus

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>>87657638
>>87657249
>>87657179

>>87657747
I've made that mistake before. In the end it's not worth it.

>>87657747
But then no one would watch or read anything female-lead because it's all objectively shit.

>>87657638
Exception to the rule: Maus ?

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>>87657638
>>87657249
>>87657179

>The Sonic Graphic Novel Library

>>87657850
It's not all poorly written.
I find that's only the stuff that depends on sex sells to keep the sales up.

>>87657638
Well, a graphic novel is a specific thing. Maus, for example, is a graphic novel.

A trade is not a graphic novel. A comicbook is not, itself, a graphic novel. Watchmen is not a graphic novel.

In the same way a cookbook or collection of short stories is not considered a novel.

STOP USING THE TERM TO MAKE YOUR HOBBY SOUND SMARTER THAN IT IS.

>>87657938
>It's not all poorly written.
Whatever helps you sleep at night.

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>>87657963
>>87657883
>>87657249
>>87657179
>>87657638

>people ask what I'm reading
>Explain the book and why I like it
>They tell me comic books that aren't about superheroes are dumb

>>87657883
nope its a comic

>>87657966
Hey, SquirrelGirl might be an intolerable eyesore with too much nerd humor but if it was SquirrelBoy those deficits wouldn't matter.
I've read much worse "quirky" books that were fan favorites.
Howard the Duck for example:
Nobody ever complained that the art in Howard' was dick-kryptonite.
Nobody complained that it had "too much personality."
This is just a problem of expectations.
Some chick-lead books aren't there for that reason you want them to be.
Just go find the book that's a better fit for you and stop caring about the one that isn't.

>>87658241

anon, that's just the truth. all the talented creators are working at big 2 and when they leave to create something at Image, it's mediocre.

>>87658263
You do know that it's still assigned reading in some college courses?
It's won freakin' literary awards.

>>87658286
No, The problem is that females are inherently boring and make for boring stories, even drag the stories with potential down. There's a reason in all good literary works they're secondary characters at best.

>>87658392
Yes, a comic is assigned reading in some college courses. A comic has won literary awards.

:O

>>87658392
>assigned reading in some college courses
>college
I weep for American education. It's barely 5th grade material.

>>87658426
I know how this sounds, but I'm absolutely certain that it's just a problem of not being able to relate to the M.C.

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>>87657024
>ME and a couple friends go see Watchmen in theaters.
>Friend gets a phonecall and decides to bail 10 minutes after the attempted rape of silk spectre to answer.
>His girlfriend at the time also follows like a stupid sick puppy and they both miss 30-40 minutes.
>They both come back and it becomes obvious they are obviously uncomfortable with the movie.
>They both keep ducking out at various points every 10-15 minutes, with his girlfriend looking more and more distressed each time.
>They both looked on in shock at the blue penis and said it was needlessly distracting.
>At the end of they movie they both conclude it was boring uninteresting mess of a movie that ultimately provided them with nothing of value.
I fucking hate people who don't watch movies and then have the fucking gall to give their shitty opinion.

>>87658655
I HATE people who do that kind of shit.

When I was still a kid I established a hard rule that nobody who watched any movie with me was even allowed to whisper anything.
That phone shit just will not work.

>>87658392
Something doesn't magically change mediums because it wins awards. Comics are comics

>>87657638
You are my trigger.

I blame you for people using "graphic novel" incorrectly.

If you see people using the term incorrectly, you can helpfully correct them, and they'll learn to use it the right way (to refer to the method of publication, like "floppy" or "trade").

But if you just get triggered by ___ANY___ usage of the term, then the people using it incorrectly are just going to write you off as a lone idiot (since they can see that the rest of the world continues to use the term "graphic novel" despite your protestations), and they will continue to stick with the incorrect usage.

It's all your fault.

>>87657024
Who that tho

>>87657345
There's nothing wrong with enjoying a comic for it's art, especially if the story telling is clean and well paced.

>>87658857
If you want to be so anal about it: comics mean comedy

>shits on comic that they haven't read, but have instead seen a couple of out of context panels posted

>>87660021
Now I damned well know that philosophy about comics is SOMEONE'S big trigger.

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>>87657024
>find out about good indie comic through storytimes
>buy trade to support it
>full of ads for other shitty books by the publisher, gutter bleed bad enough to cut off large parts of speech bubbles, shit binding in general
Protip: Action Labs/Danger Zone a shit.

>>87660178
>im literally about to order some action labs trades through my lcs
WELL IM PANICKING NOW

When is it actually appropriate to use the term "graphic novel"?

>>87660229
Full disclosure, I only have experience with Danger Zone and am assuming Action Labs has similar quality due to the former being an imprint of the latter.

>someone asks how to get into comics right now
>provide good jumping on points for current runs
>"Cool thanks, I'll look into it."
>never does

"______ is my favorite character because: [shit they saw in a movie or read about on tumblr]"

>>87657278
Must be a Clintonite

>>87660256
In short: When a comic is not a floppy (the pages aren't stapled together, but instead they are glued together to the spine) and when it's not a trade (the content isn't a republication of previously-published content, but instead it's a publication of brand-new content), then it's probably a graphic novel.

>>87660271
>what im getting is in danger zone as well
Do you mind if i ask what you got? i need to order like 4 trades, and now im just thinking i might order the first one, to see the quality before i get the rest
obviously it probably doesnt vary much title trade to title, but if you are talking about the same thing im getting then thats double danger
im looking for puppet master (and maybe tomboy) btw

>>87660383
"Paperback" and "hardcover" aren't genres so why are you paying so much attention to the physical format?

my powerlevel remains hidden
none of my friends or family knows im into comics and vidya still (they think i stopped like 10 years ago)
its almost like living a double life.

>>87660470
I never said anything about genre.

Since you are an honorable man, I expect you to apologize, and I accept your apology.

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>You know Superman can beat Batman right?

>>87660539
Novels are a genre. The term doesn't always denote expected themes or content.

>>87660424
It was Tomboy. I'm just glad I decided to reread it before ordering volume 2. I'll probably try to get the floppies because I still want to own it.

>>87657024

See what I get here is that you probably FORCED him to read it or at least bugged him incessantly about it

>>87660613
thanks for the answer
thats a bit of a bonerkiller, il probably see how much i can get in floppy form, and get as much as i can total, rather than trades then, and just bite the bullet and hope if it comes down to them

> People reading some interview or tweet or blog by a writer and suddenly Spider-Man or Batman or whoever is "a shit character in a shit book" because of something not in any comic.

>>87660178
Seriously, the ads in Danger Zone trades are fucking insane. I'm fine with a few pages at the end in trades like with Vertigo and Marvel (it had better not be in a fucking special edition though). It made me stop reading the Tom Boy trade even though I really liked the actual comic section. 4+ pages of ads after a single issue is not alright.

>>87660637
( assuming facts not in evidence )

>>87660713
Could be worse, I've bought trades that cut content because the double-page layouts wouldn't have lined up without those ads filling pages.

>>87660603
So then don't use it to denote expected themes or content.

You must use "graphic novel" to describe ONLY the physical format of publication.

Otherwise you'll trigger people who think you're being elitist or pretentious.

>>87660470
>so why are you paying so much attention to the physical format?
The physical format only gets "so much" attention because of the people who get triggered any time they see the words "graphic novel" mentioned.

If "graphic novel" wasn't listed as a trigger, then nobody would have asked when it's okay to say it, and thus an explanation would never have been given.

Blame the people who get triggered.

>>87660813
Who has done that? Usually you get a blank page after the cover or in the middle of an issue to allow for double page spreads.

>>87657024
Not necessarily a /co/ related trigger but
>person asks "dude whats that you're reading/whats that on your shirt/what are you watching
>tell him what it is and explain it
>"oh, I don't know what that is"
I JUST EXPLAINED IT TO YOU

>>87661085
I guess that blank page trick had to be invented at some point.
My experience was with two different Dark Horse paperbacks and an Image paperback back in the '90s.
They picked the right pages though, if I hadn't have already collected the individual issues I would never have spotted it.

People who regurgitate the tired groupthink about 90s comics being bad.

>>87657024
>Characters are in a mystical setting where everything and anything can happen theoretically. All that happens is a bunch of unimaginiative fights.
>A comic which has a dark story is automatically a deconstruction.
>In a universe full of established characters, rules and so on, a writer pushes their shitty OC and ignores that nobody likes them.
>Characters do some horrible shit within the story, but they are forgiven because... reasons.
>Characters are written out of character to justify the plot moving forward.

And lastly and my biggest trigger of all.
>Issues are wasted with people just shooting shit and not doing anything important at all.

Marvel Essential being scrapped and starting over with Epic Collections or whatever the fuck instead of letting all those titles be collected.
Runs that only get the first part collected in general.
Shitty recolors.
Popular runs that have the first trade cost hundreds of dollars because it's out of print. All the others are at cover price.
And a minor one, when a book has two covers at the same price and they're both of equal quality so I can't decide which to get.

>>87660591
Well that is true in a way that he can just superspeed punch through his chest.

>>87660747

But I can make logical assumptions.

1. Someone who feels heroes are played out would not ASK to borrow a hero book.

2. If he gave it back in 30 minutes then that means he just flipped through it, as if to placate your urges.

3. "It was okay" is a non committal opinion that basically means I don't want to talk about it

4. You made a thread to bitch about your friend not sharing your interest for comics. Right out the gate this tells us that you try to force your views on those around you.

5. Instead of a topical watchmen pick you posted a girl in her underwear in order to get attention.

I know all I need to know about you to figure this shit out. You're an open book.

>>87658554
It's really just America's retarded attitude towards comics.
Also you come off as a complete retard considering that by all metrics (success of graduates, shit done by schools, breadth and scope of education) America has the best Colleges and Unis in the world.

>>87658392
nigga it's assigned in MIDDLE SCHOOL nowadays

>>87660256
A comic of fairly substantial length (let's say 80 pages) containing one narrative released in one book all at once.

>>87660256
never, it's a marketing term to convince people who think comics are for kids that they aren't reading a comic, they're reading a ~*novel*~ so it's ok

>>87660817
No dumbass. If I tell someone something is a movie and it's a 30 second commercial then they'll be confused and possibly mad at me.
Correct denotaion of format matters for communication. Rectification of names, read a book you dumb nigger.

>>87661568
Yea this bugs me. It was a bad time for comics financially so casuals think that means it was creatively as well.

>>87657024
>Frank Miller sucks
>Garth Ennis sucks
>Alex Ross is the best comics artist ever
>STILL no O'Neil Question omnibus

>You're just a Marvel/DC shill

Yep, big companies that could literally lose half their support send certified shitposters to fucking 4chan of all places. You can clearly tell they're being paid to express certain opinions because why would anyone say a movie that has a 27% on Rotten Tomatoes is bad. Perhaps if I call the movie kino, those pesky shills will realize that my argument CAN be based entirely on buzz words.

Fuck these people that are so far removed from this reality. I know this is more of a /tv/ thing, but still, fuck them.

>>87662127
>Yep, big companies that could literally lose half their support
Moviefag detected. If either of the big two lost half of their support that would be about 15-20% of the entire comic industry's sales going up in smoke, which would be disastrous.

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>>87657135
>platinum mad

>>87658426
>The problem is that females are inherently boring and make for boring stories
I think I found the cause of most your problems.

>>87658286
nobody ever complained about the art in Howard because the art in Howard was actually pretty good

>>87657345

Honestly I'd prefer mediocre writing and good art than good writing with mediocre art in a comic.

>>87662661
But were all those picks of a half-naked Howard DICK KRYPTONITE?

>>87662669
bad art is more salvageable by good writing than bad writing by good art

>>87662682
I don't jerk it to ducks so I wouldn't know

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>"It's different in the comics"
>or just "in the comics"

Source material wank is dumb.

>>87662669
>>87662691

I'm an art guy. Comic writing good or bad... I rather not have comics with ugly art on my shelf. It's not like there's a huge difference in writing anyway... if were talking about the big 2, superhero stories are always similar. Colorful costumes, hero vs villain, some action, drama, etc. The end.

>>87662826
I mean, what's ugly here? Stuff like Frank Miller or stuff like Greg Land?

>>87661581
>Issues are wasted with people just shooting shit and not doing anything important at all.

It can be good, depending on the medium. In movie or theater it has been done to great effect. But you can't be Tarantino in a floppy. You get no prizes for Waiting For Doom.

>>87657024
>30 minutes later

Your friend might be a master troll

>>87658286
Well she did meet Chipmunk Hunk...

But yeah I love me some Doreen Green

>Dark comic dealing with adult themes and uncomfortable situations
>swearing is censored
What the fuck? They will show any amount of physical pain and turmoil, possibly nudity, but they edit swearing? The Rebirth Hellblazer is an obvious example. John is supposed to be one of the most sweariest people in comics and yet they put £#%& in place of actual words.

>>87662024
50 shades of gray is a novel.
Novel rfers to the format and structure of writing and publication, not to its quality.

>>87662845
Art is subjective. Greg Land is the best artist.

>>87663199
Ok, that shit pisses me off. What's even worse is when they flip flop on it, like one issue or mini will have instances of swearing censored with a jumble of symbols or dashes, and then in the next issue or mini you'll get the full blast of profanity. Chaos! Comics did this a few times.

>>87663199
This, and Jessica Jones being censored triggers me too. It actually damages the story too, completely wrecks the immersion.

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>All gritty adult comics are 90s X-Treme grimdark edgy bullshit
>All charming all-ages comics are preschool babby bullshit
>All comics are superhero bullshit
>Why doesn't Batman kill the Joker?

>>87662904
When I meant by that is that we don't get any great insights into the minds of the characters. We just get same old. Imagine the laying on the grass thing that Bendis had the O5 doing quite a lot.

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>>87657024
>people read watchmen
>all they get out of it is "Yeah superheroes wont work in the real world"

>>87658655
>I fucking hate people who don't watch movies and then have the fucking gall to give their shitty opinion.
Then why are you here?

>>87658655
The amount of comments section on review sites that have entries: "I haven't seen the movie, but this is what I think anyway." makes me want to reach into the internet and slap them virtually silly.

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>Manga is not comics
>"Yeah, I fucking love Preacher!"
>Western comics = American comics = Big 2
>People who unironically think Alex Ross is the greatest artist in comics
>Batman is my favourite superhero

>>87657135
>Describing 69% of /co/

>>87657024
>Superheroes are overplayed
So your friend got the point?

>>87662626
Only some of them, Anon.

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I don't mind redesigns, especially fan made ones, but her reasoning is lacking.
>“This character means so much to me– the Tarakkians are ultimate warriors, the final force for good in a corrupt universe, the heroes every little girl might aspire to be. We deserve better from our childhood aspirations than wearing a thong into battle.”

>>87663650
Eh, I like functional armor better just because I feel it makes sense. If you are not a barbarian from the jungle or some kind of divine entity, dress properly.
But skin-tight armor is just a farce. Either you have armor plates or you have spray paint spandex!
This anti-sexy mentality is stupid, though. It's just resurging puritanism. 70s feminists insisted on not being kept in thick dresses. Why are you now angry at a continuation of that?

>>87657024

Don't care what this thread is about but I want to fuck her thighs.

>>87663650
Give her credit for keeping the same shapes and colors of the original outfit.

Even if it's absurdly puritanical.

are you too old for comic books?

>>87657024
>Every comic from the 90's Bad
>Pre 2000's art is all bad
>Only American comics exist
Hasn't happened, but "Hellboy is Bad" would make me go nuclear.

>>87664440
but hellboy is bad

>>87664483
Oh, you!

>>87658554
What damn 5th graders reading MAUS?

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>faggots defend their favorite character through "muh power level" and cite bullshit feats that haven't been canon for like half a century
>multiple writers who can't decide on consistent characterizations even within the same canon to save their fucking lives
>dumb canon-raping "events" involving time travel/multiverse shit attempting to resuscitate dead end ideas
>funfags shooting down edgy shit because they're """above""" that kind of stuff
>edgefags shooting down fun shit because they're """above""" that kind of stuff
>casuals who won't read anything outside of entry-level capeshit even though they don't even like even half of what they read

>>87657850
Lol kys

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>everyone whos not me
kys, honestly

>>87661896
>America has the best Colleges and Unis in the world.
Aside from the few elite ones. Nope, not at all.

>>87664769
>muh canon
I remembered another trigger

>Watchman film was better than the comic.
>Graphic novels aren't the same as comics, they're for adults.
>Talking with someone, conversation or t-shirt makes it clear I like a character from 1 of the big 2, they immediately assume I dislike the other company.
>I only like Marvel, I don't like DC at all except Batman.
>Anger they won't bring back a cartoon that was allowed a decent run of episodes and a good ending.
>Unnecessary shitting on FoX-Men because of blind MCU loyalty.
>People who are bizarrely devoted and obsessed with characters they've never read or seen adaptations of.
Actually that probably extends to just any strong opinion on comic storylines or characters they've never actually read.
>People who flip out like absolute crazy at any "retcon" no matter what it is or why.
(Admittedly that last one I come across more outside of /co/ content surprisingly).

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>Dan Slott is still writing Spider-Man

Always drives me to my Joe Kelly safe-space.

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>>87666655
And squirrel girl?

Every comics site on the internet is filled with more talk of the movies than comics
People losing their shit when a comic is announced to be made into a movie, as though the movie industry is doing comics some big favor
Basically all faggotry that surrounds movies

>>87666929
Because people feel that it legitimizes their interests and makes them more socially acceptable.

Maybe next there will be a big wave of Hollywood anime adaptations.

>>87666962
and they'll all star white people

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>buy a non-Image comic for the first time
>4 pages of ads in a row in the middle of the book, completely disrupting my viewing experience
A-anything to support my medium :,)

>>87666997
Outside of a few martial artists, has there ever been an Asian actor in Hollywood that was a leading actor?

>>87667115
seems like big-screen anime adaptations would be the perfect opportunity to start casting Asian leads, then

>>87667041
How severe were the ads elsewhere?

I would actually prefer 4 bunched together in the middle if it meant less between every page.

>>87667273
at least 2-3 one-pagers before this occurance

if anyones wondering it was mother panic 1

Gods. The amount of gods, the types of gods and the hierarchy of gods. Thor's a god, Galactus is a type of god, Zeus is a god. Old Olympians on Earth, new Olympians in space. They all sort of exist at the same time but somehow they're not falling all over each other.
Nobody really knows how they relate to each other or who is more powerful than who yet they have enough time to constantly fart around with human affairs instead of keeping the universe running. If one interferes, why doesn't it piss off more of the others?

>>87666962

Ghost in the Shell starring ScarJo has already finished filming, comes out somewhat soon.

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I hate when Marvel charges an extra dollar or two for a floppy, and all you get is a throw away back-up story with inferior art.

it's a modern classic.

>>87663615
>Alex Ross
He's not the greatest but give the man some credit his art is really good.

>>87671273
it's good for covers and full-page "epic" shots but absolute dogshit for actual storytelling

>>87657024
>see someone with a superhero tattoo

>Oh whos your favorite writer?

>Oh I only watch the movies

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>>87671333
yeah your right he should stick to covers a book with just his art feels like a bunch of separate paintings

>>87671446
well, that is literally what they are

>>87657024
Company wars bullshit.

And being accused of shilling for Marvel (re: DCEU) while being a lifelong DCfag.

>>87657024
To be completely fair, literally no one who doesn't like superhero shit at least a little bit would understand why Watchmen is good. It might have value as a standalone story, but most of the appreciation it gets stems from the fact it deconstruct many expectations of the genre and references Golden and Silver age a lot.

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>>87671483
At least it looks nice

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>>87657024
This

>>87671544
it's a brilliantly constructed comic independent of its subject matter

When people dismiss a cartoon or comic because it's aimed at girls/women. Not its quality or anything, just because it's aimed at a female audience. I have seen people do this a lot to various series and it just comes off as immature. Girls can handle cartoons aimed at boys but the other way around is impossible?

Also

>Joker/Harley is my relationship goal

>>87657135

That's a good chunk of /co/. So many waifu discussions when you wanna discuss character or plot.

>>87663650
I actually like that redesign.
Doesn't change the fact that heavy metal was a comic for adolescents and nerds in the 80's

>>87657024
>Contrarians

The Long Halloween and Dark Victory were amazing, fuck you.

>>87673401
no, fuck YOU

they're ok

>>87663323
You can't slip a piece of paper in the difference between a graphic "novel" and a long comic book.

>>87657024
god she's gorgeous
love seeing her at cons

>>87662735
>Source material wank is dumb.
This

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>>87657822
>>87657895
>>87658169
REEEEEEEEEEEEE4

>>87659032
>wizard the post.

>>87660383
It's a fucking comic. Holy fuck. The reason why nobody can agree on what GN means is because it is fucking meningless as a term. It tells you fuck all about what you are about to read as piece of work that "comic" doesn't already cover. How it was initially released or published is of no fucking consequence to how good or important of a work it is.
It is a fucking comic.

>>87657822
Normies don't know what the word "tradepaperback" means. What else would you call it?

>>87671721
Girls can handle cartoons aimed at boys because element directly aimed at girls are engineered into every single one. It doesn't go the other way. Even live action TV, like the flash, does this and action movies like Fury Road.
Action media is fucking full of Grrrl power and love shit.
How much titty shaking, mysogony and explosions am I likely to get out of an issue of squirrel girl or Hellcat or the faggot show you're really talking about here?

Did you even think about this for a minute?

>>87675750
>It's a fucking comic.
A graphic novel is a fucking comic AND a graphic novel. Like how a trade paperback is a fucking comic AND a trade paperback.

>The reason why nobody can agree on what GN means is because it is fucking meningless as a term.
No, the reason why nobody can agree is because YOU keep flipping your shit every time you see it used (even when it's used correctly), and thus you're spreading confusion and misinformation.

>It tells you fuck all about what you are about to read as piece of work that "comic" doesn't already cover.
It tells you that a comic is longer than a floppy but that it's also brand-new material and not a collection of floppies. Like how "trade paperback" tells someone that they're reading a comic which is a collection of floppies.

>How it was initially released or published is of no fucking consequence to how good or important of a work it is.
That post doesn't say anything about how "good" or how "important" it is. Why don't you address what the post ACTUALLY says, not what you IMAGINED it says?

You must now apologize for falsely accusing that post of making claims about quality and importance.