What are your thoughts on Frank's ideology of punishment?

>>87647395
I think he is a crazy sad person. Murder isnt the solution, enslavement and forced work and education for inmated, longer sentences so they work inside and the money they produce needs to go for the families of their victims.

Nigs need chains

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I just think he's just an angry 12 year old trapped in a man's body, being a vigilante is good n' all considering that some criminals deserve to be killed and shouldn't get away with it for the horrible misdeeds they've done towards humanity.

However, whenever I read some of his panels and dialogue, I can't help but say pic related out-loud.

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>>87647395
nope dudes nuts and he'll always be fighting because he attacks people, some who are nothing but confused and lost pawns, but not the heart of the problem.

He belongs behind bars, all he offers is temporary solutions.

The worst kind of people are those who believe they have the right to take a life because of moral or ethical reasons.

I don't care, really. Nothing he does has influence on universe so he can kill all those purse snatchers.

he's a murdering psychopath

Nope, but it's sure as hell entertaining to watch him do his thing.
>>87647461
Ennis really upped the edge factor in his dialogue, abd especially in his narrations. I do dig his hit back hard mentality in ge context of his setting.

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Doesn't that depend on the writer somewhat? I'll still attempt a committed reply, though.

In a setting where actual legal authority is infantile in it's potency, his actions are understandable. This is a world where police can't even handle a bank robbery without someone with super powers coming in to fix everything. God forbid they handle murderers and mobsters. I guy who can lift a tanker truck (and quite possibly throw it) has to stop mundane purse snatchers, for fucks sake.

Given the context of what is world deals with, his ideology is understandable.

>>87647395
For regular street crime, yeah. But his methods are a bit pointless in a universe where everyone just comes back to life anyway and there's various superpowered villains he can't do anything about.

>>87647478
Say this for all the inocent people that he saved, like children from sexual traffic.

>>87647395
Frank is way more viable then retards like Bruce Wayne and Matt Murdock.

I'm more impressed by the character of Frank himself.

In theory, he should be a boring and forgettable vigilante. His gimmick is that he kills bad guys. That's it. It's no different than any cheesy 80s action movie.

And yet, so many talented writers ended up making him one of my favorite characters ever.

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>>87647395
How would you rate the various live action portrayals of Frank?

>>87647591

That's why I only like Punisher MAX.

Castle just feels out of place in the regular Marvel universe.

>>87647666

I'd put Jon Bernthal and Thomas Jane as equals, honestly. The 2004 movie gets a lot of hate, but I think Jane did a great job.

Ray Stevenson LOOKED the part, but I remember nothing about his performance.

Never seen the Dolph Lundgren one. I assume it ain't great.

>>87647395
Morality is a spook

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>yfw Frank becomes the new Ghost Rider

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>>87647735
>The Frankmobile gets the Ghost Rider treatment
Yes

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>>87647395

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>>87647991
He was willing to do what Batman never would
So, yeah, you're goddamn right I do

>>87647711
>The 2004 movie gets a lot of hate, but I think Jane did a great job.

another reason why people love thomas jane punisher:

https://youtu.be/bWpK0wsnitc

the movie plot and writing for the movie was retarded but the acting was great

>>87648007
Seeing Joker's brain being splattered all over the walls by Frank has to be the funniest thing ever if batman wasn't there to stop him

>>87647991
>joker busts his ass on a banana peel while running away

god why was that so funny

>>87648036
As good as Punisher was on Netflix, I'm still a bit crushed that Dirty Laundry's never going to lead to anything

>>87648052
What i like is how easily Batman can kick Punisher's ass.

>>87647711
Wait, people hated the Thomas Jane one? I fucking loved it. The torture scene with the blowtorch is quite possibly one of my favourite scenes in film history.

>>87648319
People consider it out of character, even though it came from one of the better Punisher writers. I do believe it worked better in the comics.

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People really downplay Frank's self awareness.

>>87647395
No and people's own morals are hardly /co/ related.

>>87647395
No one should be judge, jury, AND executioner. The problem with the comic universe is that there are no executioners so villains keep getting out over and over.

>>87647453
Prisons are already too overcrowded and hippies are too loud to get that to work.

>>87647478
That would actually be a valid criticism if Frank considered himself a good guy.

>>87647518
This is true.

>>87647569
This. There's a reason the cops silently approve of him in a lot of his runs.

>>87647666
Preliminary opinion of Jon is he did a good job. I'll reserve my final judgment until the series comes out, that
>Punisher could beat Batman
thing makes me worry a bit.

>>87649354
You really NEED someone like Punisher in comic book universes. It ain't a pretty job, but it IS a necessary one, even if other people don't want to admit it. >>87648007 is a perfect example. Gotham would have been an unquestionably better place if Joker had got Franked, but Batman stopped it because muh waifu. Then Frank just walks off in disgust at the end.

>>87649354
>No one should be judge, jury, AND executioner.

Why not?

>>87647395
Not really, I think he takes it way further than it needs to go. Dude's pretty messed up.

That being said I still think he's a thoroughly interesting character who's a lot of fun to read about.

Frank is the ultimate proof that Batman's no-kill rule is not detrimental.

All the years Frank has been murdering relentlessly, creating thousands of orphans and widows, and there are just as many criminals as the day he started.

Every one you kill, another takes its place.

At least Batman puts money into various public works projects.

>>87647453
>Nigs need chains
And racists need a bullet to the brain.

>>87647478
See, sometimes that's true but...well, read "the Slavers." Batman would have put them in jail, and then they would have escaped to do it all over again. OTOH Injustice Superman would have impaled them and then ashed their home countries, so I guess that makes Frank a moderate.

>>87651944
Relax, jamal.

>>87651944
You sound troubled, my friend. Who hurt you so?

>>87651944

/co/mblr needs to grow up, MOST, not all blacks, need to either go back to africa, be house boss negros or be slaves. Is not racism, it's science, most blacks are too dumb to be part of society

As much as I enjoyed Garth Ennis run and it's definitely quintessential Punisher. He ruined the character forever.

No, simply because his morality relies solely on him being a mary sue that is always 100% right, 100% accurate and with a 100% rate of innocent survivability, it works for a comic book character but anyone past 14 who think this is somehow applicable to the real world is just being edgy.

>>87653964
Lol some people might take your foolish comments srs. If i was black id wanna kick your ass

>>87655539
Except that both Remender, Rucka and Edmonson had decent to good runs after him with different takes on Frank in each one

Frank usually limits himself to known obvious murderers and cruel human monsters.
This is the redeeming element.
Otherwise his kill-first-ask-questions-later philosophy is bullshit.
Extremely hypocritical too.
But seeing the level of hateful and cruel people in the world who smirk when they do those kinds of things, I like the idea.

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>>87647628

>sexual traffic

All I can think of is the cast of Cars getting into a 47 car pileup orgy.

>>87647395
I mean...he kills people who've done terrible things. He means no harm to people who follow the fucking law, just like any other hero worth their salt. That he's more aggressive and pragmatic than Spidey and others doesn't mean he's a bad person.

At least he's not a hypocrite like 90% of the X-Men.

>>87647395
Yes. The system barely works. Bad people will find a way to hurt others wherever they are. The only way to stop them is killing them.

Imprisonment doesn't do the job well enough