>Scott Lobdell and James Tynion are arguably putting out better

SNYDER IS FORCING KING TO WRITE ABOUT GOTHAM GIRL AND DUKE

>>87607453
This a bait thread?

How many of these feature Harper?

>>87607453
/co/ overhyped the fuck outta King instead of waiting and seeing.
I'm not a fan of Tynion, but i can admit he is doing an ok job on TEC...i just hate how he pretty much started fucking up Batwoman's cast to jam her in now as 'BRUCE COUSIN, BEST COUSIN'...i mean she has her own family, i guess next time we see Beth and Bette they are going to be dead or some shit like that.
I don't read Red Hood thou.

Also
>RHatO
>Batbook

I get that some folks are disappointed with King's Batman but Tynion is better than no one. I'd rather eat nothing than plain white bread and a glass of water

>>87607480
Issue #10 didn't have either of those and was still garbage.

>>87607453
>Detective Comics
>good

>RHatO
>batbook

>>87607517
All of them, every.single.rebirth.book is about fan favorite character Harper Row.

>>87607551
>>87607562
I hated Tynion as much as the rest of /co/ leading up to Rebirth and was pissed he got to stay on a major title. That being sad I was blown away with how much improvement he showed with 'Tec.

>>87607540
How is it not?

Its about a former robin righting the blackmask in gotham

>>87607556
I'm memeing. That's ultimate scapegoat why is King's Batman bad. EDITORS AND SNYDER, yo.

>>87607596
>Batfamily
>Superfamily and Wonder Woman
>Justice League
>others
Four group, RHatO is in "others", like Green Arrow, Harley and Skwad.
And Batman Beyond.

>>87607609
There probably is a lot of editorial interference that isn't helping his run but even the most "King" of the issues are pretty meh.

>Start reading comics in 20019-2011 era
>be batfag
>become completely spoiled in what to expect in terms of quality

RHaTO and Tec are surprisingly good, but I really want another "Oh my god this is amazing" run. The closest I've seen since N52 is Grayson.

>>87607453
Who of you, snyderfags, trying to create this "King is bad" meme? It's better than senseless action from snyder and much better than mostershit. You people just upset it's not as good as Grayson yet.

ALL the Batbooks are suffering in quality.

And every single one of them is sidelining Batman in one way or another. Why?

>>87607972
OP here. I'm definitely not a Snyder fag- the only story of his that I liked in his run was Court of Owls and I don't think anyone is defending rise of the monster men. I'm just disappointed that his run has been kind of mediocre throughout; it had a number of good moments, but they don't come together into a cohesive whole.

>giving the main batbook to a dickfag
>expecting positive things

>>87608001
>King Batman
>Sidelining Batman
By having him fight Superman-tier threats? By having him as the focus of every issue? By not narrating everything he thinks?

The run is mediocre but Batman is front and center every issue.

>Tynion
>putting out a better Batbook than King

No. No he is not. Everyone in 'Tec is written horribly out of character and the writing itself is just grade level.

>>87607453
I get not liking King's Batman, but there's no way anyone prefers Detective and Red Hood unless they're judging them by completely different standards. Those books are unarguably bad, and the worst King's even written is still leagues above them.

This is what different expectations will do. Batman didn't meet very high expectations so people complained, these other two met very low expectations so people said they were happy with them. If you actually do a straight comparison of quality Batman is easily better written than both of these and most of Rebirth, but because it didn't reach the greatness people were expecting it still gets a more negative reception than many others.

>>87608174
>Everyone in 'Tec is written horribly out of character
Name one example.

Batman fans are weird faggots

>>87607453
They knew Batman was going to sell anyway so they just put the first guy they had, same reason why while being the main book is the one with the worst art

>>87608262
Batwoman's father not supporting his daughter 100% is completely out of character. It's his defining trait.

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>>87608229
>You all don't *really* like 'Tec. You just think you do, trust me.

>>87607453
King is 100% phoning it in because he thinks your standard Batman reader is too stupid to understand his good output. And he's not wrong

Stick to Sheriff of Babylon if you want the real King comic. His Batman run only exists to make him a bigger name so they'll check out his other books.

>>87607453
King has been a disappointment, but don't get ahead of yourself, boy

>>87608296
I'll give you Col Kane becoming a bad guy was pretty weird, but all the main cast has been great.

>>87607453
>RHATO is better than King's Batman
I'm enjoying Rhato more than any of the Bat books. So, yeah I agree.

>Tec is better than King's Batman
Heck no because both are painfully average.

>>87608229
>I get not liking King's Batman, but there's no way anyone prefers Detective and Red Hood unless they're judging them by completely different standards
Why? I don't like Detective, but I definitely prefer and recommend Red Hood over Batman.

>>87607609
Stop blaming Snyder for how mediocre King's run has been.

>>87608579
>OP still hates King for leaving Marlel
Let the butthurt flow through you, etc.

>>87608604
What does Marvel have to do with anything and why did you assume that I'm fan of their company? And I'm not the OP.

King's mediocrity is no one's fault, but his.

>>87608686
If you don't like something from DC now, it's because you like Marvel. It's the room now.

>>87607972
>You people just upset it's not as good as Grayson yet
Implying that Grayson was actually good.

>>87608763
*rule

>>87607609
Then again, Mark Doyle (Batman group editor) was the one who found Snyder.

And when the old group editor left for Marvel (around Zero year) Mark Doyle was brought in to make Snyder happy.

>>87608770
>Implying it wasn't best King's work
C'mon, mate.

The strengh of RHATO is that it is not trying to be anything spectacular. Jason is not fighting against 1836214 new foes (at the same time!! with amazing new gadgets!!).

The conflict is internal, and the team is limited to three individuals that we have had time to connect and care about. We know how they first met. We saw what made them click.

There is action, but to balace it there is also quiet scenes. Jason buys a Superman doll. Bruce smiles.

>>87608997
>Grayson
>King's best work
No, dude. It really wasn't.

>>87609047
Well, it's either Vision or Grayson, but it's subjective

Lobdell was never bad.

>>87609018
Pikachu suit was funny as fuck.

>>87609063
>Either of those
>Over Omega Men and Sheriff.

>>87609018
This is good post and I agree with you.

>>87608824
>Mark Doyle
Wasn't he the saviour of the Batman line? I remember a lot of people saying that Batman books got better after he come to the bat office.

>>87609079
>Over Omega Men and Sheriff.

I read the first two issues of Omega Men and didn't like them very much. Does it get better? I see people raving about Omega Men but it was just dull and kind of stupid.

>>87607453

I don't know about Lobdell, but Tynion's Detective Comics has been a massive fucking failure for me. I'm a huge whore for these characters, and he's completely failing to tickle my balls with a team comic that's all about them.

I can't wait for somebody to Rebirth this shitty Rebirth.

>>87609064
Nice meme!

>>87609414

I've started it like 5 times and never get past the second issue.

>>87609647
Maybe I'm just not familiar enough with DC history. Not only was the story dull, but a tiger man named Tigorr is the stupidest fucking thing. It made it almost impossible to take anything seriously.

>>87607596
It's a Trinity book.
New Super-Man is the Super-led Trinity book, Outlaws is the Bat-led Trinity book, and we're never getting a Wonder-led Trinity book as long as we live.

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>it's a "/co/ sucks Tynion's dick until he focuses on Harper again" episode

The only people that dislike Tynion are Batwoman fans who are mad about their special snowflake character

>>87609811
>/co/ sucks Tynion's dick until he focuses on Harper again

Are you literally retarded? When has co ever done that?

>>87609414
>>87609647
I couldn't go past the issue 2 either and I literally don't understand why /co/ hyped it so much.

The only book I enjoyed from King so far was vision (and it also the only book from him that actually lived up to the hype).

>>87609837
>The only people that dislike Tynion are Batwoman fans
Nice meme, dude.

And why the heck her fans aren't liking Tec? One of the reasons why I'm disliking this book so much because she has been freaking pushed so hard in it.

Harper Row is such a shit character. Why the hell is she so popular? Nothing about her is memorable at all outside of the ridiculous face straps

>>87609811
/co/ don't like Tynion, anon.

Just read the thread.

>>87609414
I read it up to 5 and thought it sucked.

>>87610026
I didn't realize she legit had fans. Certainly not here, I thought even Leddit hated her.

>>87610026
>Why the hell is she so popular?
I pretty sure that she's not.

Tumblr is just pretending to like her like they are pretending that they like Duke.

>>87610026
>Harper Row is such a shit character. Why the hell is she so popular?

She isn't! She has no fucking fans! If there was a Harper Row solo title, it would sell a thousand copies at best! DC's just decided to force her because, I don't fucking know, Snyder invented her or something.

>>87610091
>thousand
You are being very generous, anon.

Harper is no worse than characters like Steph, people just hate her because she is new

I feel like /co/ just dislikes non-linear, non-descriptive stories in general going by this and the Deathstroke thread.
Though I will admit Batman feels way slower as it has less plot threads

>>87610161
That was a pretty embarrassing thread desu.

/co/ntrarian striking hard as usual.

>>87607453
You're a pleb, that's what's happening.

>>87610121
I dunno, I personally don't like her character much because of how hard she was pushed in Batman and Robin Eternal.

>>87610161

Well to be fair non linear floatier stories are hard as hell to read monthly. Remember the response from the public Final Crisis got on release?

Priest and King are gonna read MUCH better in trade form. Vision, Omega Men and Sheriff of Babylon are gonna be regarded as masterpieces when collected as complete works.

>>87609063
Vision is pleb bait.

Talking about Snyder's pet characters, it seems that Snyder is planning to introduce another one.

>Interviewer: In All-Star Batman #1, Batman talks about his training program and how it turns you into the hero you’ll become…or the villain. And Duke’s like, you mean Jason. And Batman says no, someone else. To me, that was the single most intriguing thing you’ve introduced into All-Star. Who’s he talking about? Who’s this guy? Is this forthcoming? Are we going to find out who this villain is that Batman trained?

>Snyder: Yes. Basically it’s a story called “The Ally” that I’m working on with Tynion and the other Bat writers that I’m very excited about. So, there is someone that Batman worked with. Not before Dick Grayson in a way that would put a primary Robin before him or anything that would upset continuity in anyway. But it’s someone that Batman knew, that he worked with, that you’ll be surprised when they tie into a dark present

>>87610182
Who's the /co/ntrarian in there?
You referring to that deathstroke page thread right?

I'm that thread OP

>>87610240
Isn't he talking about the twoface?

>>87607591
His Constantine the Hellblazer and tmnt/Batman were much better.

>>87610217
>Omega Men
Wasn't this already collected?

Many people (in and outside /co/) are praising Deathstroke as one of the best rebirth books. So, stop blaming the fans for not liking King's run. It's has been mediocre so far and it isn't because fans can't understand King's writing.

>>87607609
He had the same editor for Grayson, faggot.

>>87610344
Harvey isn't one of Batman's students?

>>87609904
Vision is Kings weakest work.

>>87610161
It was only one guy shitting up the deathstroke thread. King's batman has been a pretty straightforward action comic.

>>87607453
Really? I rather like what I've read of king's batman.
Haven't and won't read James stuff.
Have avoided Snyders new run because man am I tired of JRjr.

>>87607540
It literally has the bat symbol in the title

>>87610562
It's stealthy bat book, but DC refuses to give it to the bat office.

And also >>87609765
This.

>>87607453
>highest selling book consistently for months
>doing bad

Go away contrarians. King's book is great.

>>87607453
I'll admit that Lobdell is finally putting out the enjoyable comic idiots/liars insisted he was doing the last five years, but Tec?

Tynion's Tec is wretched.
People give it a pass because Steph and Cass aren't terrible and Clayface trying to be a good guy.
The stories, storytelling, and Batwoman are written horribly.

>>87610694
Batman will sell whether it was good or not and retailers have said that some people admitted that they are not enjoying King's run and only buying it because it's Batman.

And beside, sells =/= quality.

>>87610240
Who would it be ? Lock-Up? Phantasm? Blond Jason?

>>87610753
>idiots/liars
Are you seriously calling people who enjoyed something you didn't liars and idiots?

>>87610794
Youre a low brow faggot if you dont like Kings run that needs constant expolsions and fights to be entertained.

Batman to me is all about exploring themes and ideas and should be a slow burn.

>>87610866
>Batman to me is all about exploring themes and ideas and should be a slow burn
Yeah, but King isn't doing that.

And ironically, his run has been full of explosions and fights.

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>>87610866
>Youre a low brow faggot if you dont like Kings run that needs constant expolsions and fights to be entertained

>>87610910
King isnt doing that? Did the Strange and Gotham arcs just go right over your head?

I bet the I am Suicide arc being about Batman willing to sacrifice all of those criminals and Banes redemption and recovery to save one person is gonna go right after your head too.

>>87609737
>a tiger man named Tigorr
What about a tiger woman named Tigra?

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>>87611064
>Strange and Gotham arcs
>expolring ideas and themes

>>87610794
The only retailer I've seen saying anything like that was one guy from a comic store no one ever heard of talking to bleedingcool, which was right after the Orlando written crossover.

Surprised people here like RHatO. I tried it and it's pretty bad, the dialogue and inner monologues seem way too amateurish for someone who's been writing comics as long as Lobdell.

>>87611064
Strange arc wasn't written by King?

And what did king explore in Gotham arc? And the first two issues of the suicide arc were just simply embarrassing and second was full of "look at how cooooool Batman is! He fought thousands of men in his own, fixed his broken back, talk like a robot (so badass) and planning to sacrifice bunch guys for some random girl because apparently she's the only victim of his war that worth saving for some reason!".

>>87611376
The theme in I am Gotham was even with the best intentions fear can drive you to do some of the worst things.

The idea in I Am Suicide is Batman in his hubris fails to see how much harm hes doing cause hes so hellbent on saving Gotham Girl and the question it proposes is even though those people are criminals do they really deserve any less of a chance to be saved? This will come back around in I Am Bane due to Batman breaking Bane and making him turn the venom again. Your reading comprehension skills are severly lacking.

>>87611188
>Surprised people here like RHatO. I tried it and it's pretty bad, the dialogue and inner monologues seem way too amateurish for someone who's been writing comics as long as Lobdell
Oh, you changed your style!

Though, I still recognise your writing because just removing "Jason and daddy issues" part isn't enough.

>>87607453
but king's batman has been great so far. very different in tone and pace to detective comics and rhato. i don't like forcing duke and his oc donut into the story, and also shipping them

>>87611433
Honestly I dont care. I shouldn't have to think that hard when reading capeshit. I just want it to be mindless straight forward fun.

>>87611433
>The theme in I am Gotham was even with the best intentions fear can drive you to do some of the worst things
It would have been interesting if King actually explore it well which he unfortunately didn't.

And I'm not going to judge or "assume" what King is planning with "I am Suicide" arc before it finished and King confirming that he is doing action blockbuster isn't giving me any hopes about his run.

>>87611433

Lol no. You're way off.

I Am Suicide is about how he basically killed himself as a boy and decided to become Batman instead of live his life. Bruce is just a mask, the real Bruce is dead.

I Am Gotham was more along the lines of how Gotham City won't let anyone but him be its protector.

>>87611502
>bait
And its embarrassingly weak one.

The meme about King's writing being "too smart for you!" need to be stopped.

>>87611607
Both of those are completely wrong.

>>87611607
>Bruce is just a mask
This is how I know you are a /tv/fag

Give us King back.

You can have Soule and Leth as compensation.

>>87611442
Whoa anon I didn't expect you to be that clever. You've got me all figured out.

RHatO is pretty bad though, it just gets a somewhat small amount of hate because most people with taste knew to stay away.

>>87610091
I would read a book about her brother running errands for Midnighter though.

>>87611664
It's not bait. King tries to turn capeshit into high brow concepts that most of us want no part of. Some of us just want to read mindless capeshit like Snyder's run.

>>87611664
>King's writing being "too smart for you!" meme
Apparently, his writing is also "too smart" to his fans who made the claim judging by the latest posts.

>>87611762
Nah, keep them and you can have him for free. I would love to read another vision book by him

>>87611852
Fuck off Mouseketeer false flagger King is ours for like or at least the next 3 years.

>>87611607
Bruce being a mask is the among the most faggoty things I've ever heard in comics.

>>87611809
This, this is why Superman is so good now.
It's not some 2deep4u attempt but just straight out fun with Superman and his kid.

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>>87611704
>>87611758

Issue 10 already told us that Bruce died as a child, how his pretty face is just a lie.

>>87611866
>Mouseketeer
You are the reason why being DC fan is embarrassment nowadays.

>>87611879
No it didn't. Not in any way shape or form. It said Bruce used his tragedy to do something good and Selina used hers to do something bad. Only retarded casuals call Bruce a mask.

>>87611904
There is nothing embarrassing at all about being a fan of the company that created superheroes. Marvel will always be second fiddle to anyone who isnt a casual.

>>87611787
>it just gets a somewhat small amount of hate because most people with taste knew to stay away
I see, so you are one of the people without taste considering that you haven't stayed away and actually read it.

>>87611975
Yes

>>87611959
So, why are you insecure if DC is the "superior" company?

It's funny how many times I have been called "marvel shill" (despite the fact that I don't read marvel and prefer DC) just because I'm not blindly loyal to DC.

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>>87611975
That was seriously a sick burn.

>>87612126
Who is insecure? King is ours. That is a fact. Youre the one being a faggot.

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>>87612171
>King is ours

>>87609837
>>87609963

This. If any group should like the current Tec, it's specifically Kate fans. The whole comic has been a Kate solo title guest starring Batman (also starring Clayface, with minor appearances from all the other characters).

>>87611938

It's clearly written in the picture that Batman made the choice as a boy to give up his life in order to become Batman. And at the end of issue 10 Selina literally calls Bruce Wayne a "handsome little lie."

Your idea about I Am Gotham being about fear corrupting good and I Am Suicide being about Batman's willingness to sacrifice others is asinine.

>>87607453
>What the Hell is happening?
You're a characterfag.

I don't particularly care for King's Batman (big downgrade from his previous work), but the writing in it is still miles better than in Detective or Red Hood.

>>87612210
No she said the happy family was a lie. Learn to read. King has made a point to show over and over that he is Bruce first.

>>87612207
I picked it up to see if he could do anything with Tim and the girls and because Clayface is entertaining. Clayface alone isn't enough reason to put up with Batwoman's shit.
>>87612222
>not being a characterfag, as though more than 0.05% of comic writers are good enough to follow regardless of subject matter

>>87612197
Stay salty, he will never leave DC. He said in an interview he just feels like DC is way more of an interconnected world and he likes to play around with that more.

>>87609018
This. Rhato has been enjoyable ride because there is actually a balance between humor, action and drama.

Lobdell didn't only made me care about the main cast, he also made me enjoy Black mask and I'm really impressed on how he made him such a complex villain.

>>87612318
>"interconnected"
How many Speed Force villains exist that aren't just Flash rogues

>>87612197
>tumblr

>>87612222
>You're a characterfag.

Is this the /co/ version of "YOU'RE A FUCKING WHITE MALE"? Almost everybody who reads comics follows specific characters.

>>87612378
Elaborate what that has to do with it being interconnected at all. In DC anything that happens in one book is felt across them all, meanwhile Marvel writers dont even care enough to see what happened in the previous arc.

>>87612298
You probably just need to follow better writers, to be quite honest family.

>>87612298
>as though more than 0.05% of comic writers are good enough to follow regardless of subject matter
True words have never been spoken.

I just want Rocafort's delicious art back

>>87612291

No she was referring to Bruce specifically, how he tries to hold onto that little boy, even though he's gone forever. There is no life left for Batman beyond the mask. King already made that clear in I Am Gotham, when as soon as he started having thoughts of retirement, Gotham corrupted and broke the two heroes he thought could take over for him.

Bruce and Selina being different is just what keeps them apart, and why they toom tbe directions they did.

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>>87608262

Cassandra Cain is replaced with a different character that has the same name but wrong backstory, abilities, uniform, etc.

>>87607453
King was always overrated. You didn't realize it at the time but the only reason you liked Grayson was because of Seeley.

>>87612668
No. just no. King has explicitly shown that Bruce's family is the most important thing to him not Batman. Hes shown this over and over and over.

>>87612721
But Omega Men, Vision, and Sheriff of Babylon are all a lot better than Grayson and the Seeley written Nightwing has been a huge step down without King.

It just doesn't add up anon.

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>>87613029
>Seeley written Nightwing has been a huge step down without King.

>>87609064
Dark Titzimine Pls

>>87610240
Sasha Bordeaux?

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>>87612721
>only reason you liked Grayson was because of Seeley
Well, the overtly homoerotic scenes didn't hurt, desu.

>>87610240
>We want the "Beware The Batman" audience

>>87611433
King brought up those ideas, but he never really explored them with any depth. Only just enough so people like you can point and go "look how deep it is!"

>>87612704
>that has the same name but wrong backstory, abilities, uniform, etc.

>wrong backstory
This is the fault of BRE, not 'Tec. Also it's not the same thing as characterization

>abilities
Her abilities are the same; that is unless you're just one of those obnoxious fans who get pissy when she's not the super best at everything

>uniform
Again, not the same as characterization. I agree that the new uniform isn't that good, but to say that it makes her written poorly makes no sense.

>>87607540

It's pretty much Not-Your-Dad's Trinity. That makes it a Bat/Super/WW book.

>>87609765
until DC hires me and let's me write a Cassie led book

>>87607540
The only reason it sells decently is because of the Bat symbol on Jason's chest

>>87607453
Umm, no? Detective Comics is basically BRE all over again but with Tim character-wanking instead of Harper character-wanking. Red Hood and the Outlaws being only mediocre instead of complete garbage doesn't make it worth reading by any means.

>>87611064
B-b-b-but it's only okay when Lobdell does action and explosions, because he has narration boxes that tell me what's happening on the page!

>>87612388
The only reason people like either Detective or Red Hood despite how offensively mediocre they are is because they're the least terrible books that Tim or Jason have had in forever, plus lots of character-wank

>>87620471
>Tim
You mean Batwoman.

>>87620642
>Tim is a genius who hacked through every one of the Colony's systems
>He created a HQ that heals itself
>He's suddenly fucking Steph even though he's barely talked to her in New 52, and pre-52 Tim was a virgin chuck
>He's so special that Oz has to kidnap him

Replace him with Harper, and /co/ would be shitting itself with rage

>>87620694
Apart from the hq, none of that is new to the character at all, and he's not even the focus of the book (or in it at this point).

>>87620722
But the first arc was propped up for being "the greatest Tim story ever" despite him having the personality of cardboard

>>87620755
That's nice, but that's not what happened in the book, which told a somewhat tedious Batwoman story. Even the science stuff is more a product of him throwing money around than being a science wizard like fan favorite Harper Row.

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>>87620430
>>87620471
>>87620506
>>87620543

>the moment King starts to be in A-list book /co/ turns on him
Stay classy San Diego

>>87620788
Him being a science wizard is his only trait. Everything "smart" that he does is told, not shown. He talks about hacking the Colony's drones. He talks about how he has all these contingency plans. He talks about how he created a self-healing HQ.

>>87609414
Omega men is great. It takes its time but it's so worth it.

>>87607453
>Arguably

It's way too easy to seduce /co/ with some generic feels pages.

>>87621354
>It's way too easy to seduce /co/ with some generic feels pages.

King's Batman has "generic feels pages" too.

>>87621354
see: Tomasi

>>87608379

Clayface is entirely generic addition. None of the characters really have strong voices in the book, occasionally someone gets a "look ma, I'm cool" page and that's it.

>>87610217
>Well to be fair non linear floatier stories are hard as hell to read monthly.
>Remember the response from the public Final Crisis got on release?

They're also perfect pleb filters.

>>87610910
>>87620801
>>87621377
King fans are extremely cringe worthy and I'm enjoying seeing them got BTFO's in every turn.

King's run isn't bad, it's just mediocre and try hard. Though, I still have hope for it.

And I don't agree with you op that Tec is better, but RHATO is definitely one of Rebirth's MVPs.

>>87607551
Tynion's Tec is honestly impressive. Current arc is meh but the previous two were surprisingly good

>>87610121
I don't know man. I hate Harper as much as I hate Steph. Cass is the only good one

>>87621102
It's embarrassing you've spent as much time as you have trying to shit on Tim without actually managing to have a point

>>87623121
Not that guy you're replying to but I kinda get his point.

Tim is all about how great of a detective he was, right? But they only show his worth just by doing something like,
He says he hacks colony's drones.
He had all these contingency plans without explaining nor did it ever put to use.

Just like your usual genius guy.

Just clearing what that anon said, I didn't take side on anyone here.

>>87621522
>but RHATO is definitely one of Rebirth's MVPs.

>people actually believe this.

top lol

Tec is the best Bat book if not the best cape book on the stands right now. King's Batman sucks balls. It's as shit as Snyder's run.

>>87607483
Kids, man.

While I agree, the last Batman issue was great.

>>87623470
>lol

>>87623745
/co/umblr is real.

>>87620430
And the fact that it's also good.

>>87615459
>Her abilities are the same

No they're not. Not even on the same map page.

Even if we disregard the issue of sheer power (which we shouldn't), they haven't used or demonstrated or referenced her body-reading a single time in Nu52. That's fucking absurd. Her whole existence is built around that, it's even the reason she's not a villain.

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>>87624801
Not him, but they do reference her reading opponents in Batman and Robin Eternal.

>>87620430
Is it selling decently? I'm sure its sells are only going to continue to drop as the book continues along.

>>87624877

That whole page is a fine example of why Nu52 treatment of Cassandra is total insulting fucking shit.

>within literally three issues of her GLORIOUS COMEBACK she's jobbing to a guy who wouldn't have been able to touch her in real continuity
>with Beechen grade "I'll just fight without thinking!" bullshit that explicitly doesn't work on her

Just fucking kill yourselves, DC. Just fucking die.

>>87624801
>>87624877
this, they referenced it multiple times

they even had Orphan explain that he didn't teach her to talk because he wanted body movement to be her language and ability to read it as to prove his theory
there was also the scene at the ballet in Prague where she was amazed because she was reading their body movements in a way only she could

>>87624954
>how they dare not to suck muh waifu's cock!
Every triggered Cassfag give century of life to Lee.

>>87624954
Psssh, it was nothing personnel kid...

>>87624954
she wasn't fighting back and was just testing his abilities

literally toying with Jason

>>87624954
This was the future you chose when you wanted her back, man.

>inb4 but not like this!

As if you had a choice in the matter.