Why is there such a lack of ecchi in /co/ stuff? It's like

>>87457923
Because the main demographic for cartoons in America are children.

>>87457923
>Why is there such a lack of ecchi in /co/ stuff?
Current year.

Because fuck your cheap fan service, that's why.

It's out there, but /co/ hates it because it's mostly anthros.

>>87457923
Thankfully we're above that as a society.

America invented the internet to serve as a pornography distribution service, a function which it performs, spectacularly. Using cartoons to do the same would be redundant.

>>87457923
Because it takes away from the content. There's literally no point to it, which is why anime sucks right now.

eggs dee ebin funy
face in boobee
geddit???

>>87457999
>he can't find the balance

>>87457923
>Why is there such a lack of ecchi in /co/ stuff?
Because it's 1) a niche market, and 2) incredibly skeezy.

A company that has to do something as expensive as cartoons can deal with one or the other but both simply isn't profitable outside of places like Japan where hikis are somehow able to spend boatloads of money.

>Looks
Bee>Bird
>Personality
Bird>Bee

>>87457923
we used to have cheesecake all the time until the SJW mods banned everyone for posting

>>87457968
Children don't have money. I'm a grown-ass man with disposable income!

>>87458079
>>Personality
>Bird>Bee
nice shit taste m8

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>>87458019
america is about the edge

>>87458162
No u

Mongatari is way OTT. What are you talking about?

>>87457989
I thought the sexual revolution was to encourage this shit, not catering to sex hating dykes.

>>87458169
The fuck? This shit is why people look down on reading comics. Comic writers have no taste and just write pulpy garbage meant to shock.

>>87458071
>A company that has to do something as expensive as cartoons can deal with one or the other but both simply isn't profitable outside of places like Japan where hikis are somehow able to spend boatloads of money.

Pretty much this. As much as I prefer western styles of character design and animation over anime, I simply have to accept that the Waifu industry is for the most part something largely distinct to the Japanese animation economy and sexual norms.

>>87458125
Would you *actually* spend money on western ecchi merch like figures, posters, DVDs and shitty licensed vidya gaems? Because I know you'll buy them for your nieces/nephews, younger siblings, maybe children of close friends and the odd doorstep baby you might have taken in. In other words, the industry doesn't need to take a huge risk to cater to you personally when it can keep on doing what it's doing and still get that money.

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>>87458359
>Would you *actually* spend money on western ecchi merch like figures, posters, DVDs and shitty licensed vidya gaems?
Not him, but I own this, so yes.

>>87457923
Fuck Ecchi
Fuck fanservice
If I want to fap to something I'll fap to actual porn

>>87458079
Snake>Bat>Bee>Snail>Bird>Monkey>Cat>Math>Dark>Crab>Doll

>>87457923
I'm glad there isn't.

Fuck anyone who complains when a character is an author self insert, but turns a blind eye when an author starts inserting their fetishes into a story needlessly.

>>87458450
Patrician taste

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>>87458440
>actual porn
I can never go back. 2d porn is just so much more varied and fun.

>>87458501
Any examples you'd like to share of fetishes being forced into things which offends you?

You talk like /a/ shit is written entirely by furfags.

>>87458450
Throw snake on the floor and you have yourself a proper list.

>>87457923
There's no middle ground for the easily triggered.

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>>87458560
I'd rather throw her on the bed.

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>>87458125
It's almost impossible to give cartoons direct money, because otherwise steven universe would be making the most money and not TTG

>>87457923
cuz Christians and soccer moms

>>87458047
People exaggerate the amount of ecchi in anime to crazy extreme levels that have nothing to do with reality, and conflate casual nudity and normal sexuality with ecchi. I'm watching 20 shows right now and I think only two of them have any ecchi to speak of. Anime is ruined now, guys.

>>87458071
Why does liking ecchi require being a hikikomori?

Sexuality in anime and manga predates so-called otaku culture anyway, and even Pokemon had an episode shitcanned in America because it was too sexual for them. Sexuality in anime and manga is not some exotic underground stuff in Japan that only the "wrong" people are into.

>>87457923
Because there are killjoys telling us it's wrong to like these kind of things

>>87458343
To be fair that's from like 97? I'm sure there's still shit like this around though.

Is Rick and Morty the Bakemonogatari of the West?

>>87458767
What makes it the same as Monogatari?

>>87458767
Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei

>>87458767
Doraemon.

>>87458418
do you hide it when people come over?

>>87458799

Specific cultural commentary, sexual perversion. They do have very different narrative styles though.

>>87458291
It was but then they realized men liked it too.

>>87458537
I don't think that anon was referring to 3d porn so much as porn/hentai in general.

>>87458835
No, but I havent unpacked it since I've moved and haven't had it too long.

No one's actually cared when it was out. Girls already know I'm a loser when they come over.

>>87458633
>I'm watching 20 shows right now and I think only two of them have any ecchi to speak of.
Are they recent? What are they? I know good anime exists, but it's extremely rare for it to be current. Usually it's the old stuff that's good.

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>>87458907
Drifters is pretty cool and airing now.

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Because, despite the rare instances where the genre is actually embraced to at least a decent level of potential, ecchi is already lame on it's own.

>Where's the middle ground?

Only weebs with no sense of awareness say this regarding fanservice. Unlike anime, western animation doesn't hinge on the wallets of virgin otaku. Think about this for more than a second: animation is already seen as a taken-for-granted art form, so would adding more TnA for nerds to oggle really help?

>>87458835
>people coming over
>ever

>>87458854
That doesn't make them even similar, and people really overestimate the amount and importance of ecchi in Monogatari. There really isn't that much of it.

>>87458907
I meant shows that are airing currently.

> I know good anime exists, but it's extremely rare for it to be current. Usually it's the old stuff that's good.
This is a myth.

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Ava Ayala in Ultimate Spider-Man has a few

>>87458633
Because ecchi as a Japanese medium is constructed nowadays as a selling point. The show or visual novel itself means little, and they make very little money off it. Where the market that keeps ecchi alive lies is in the merchandise.

And your average, non-hikikomori individual will probably invest in the original source material but not in the extremely expensive merchandise surrounding it. And that merch is frankly what keeps the ecchi industry alive in Japan. Strictly speaking, the ecchi industry exists to purposely cater to these people because the majority of their profit (perverted merchandise, bodypillows, lewd figurines, etc) is purchased by shut ins. Your average sexually charged adult is probably not going to allow themselves to be seen in possession of that shit.

>>87458987
>This is a myth.
How? It's knowledge I've gained based on experience. They don't make them like they used to, except Fukumoto. That guy is a genius and needs more of his work to get adapted.

>>87459021
There has ALWAYS been shit anime. The reason why it seems like the old stuff is better is because no one talks about or remembers the bad old shit.

Is this not obvious? This is not exclusive to anime either, it applies to every medium. Are you aware of the "born in le wrong generation" meme? Have you used the internet before?

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>>87458987
There may not be as much as people say, but it stands out. Although I did end up entirely forgetting some ecchi bits until my second watching because I was so engrossed in the dialogue.

>>87458987

Admittedly it wasn't the most substantial connection I was making.

I agree with your position on anime though.

>>87459013
Shows that are heavy on ecchi are not made often and don't have strong sales. Most character merchandise is not ecchi either.

>And your average, non-hikikomori individual will probably invest in the original source material but not in the extremely expensive merchandise surrounding it.
What does being hikikomori have to do with anything? Do you even know what a hikikomori is?

There's anime merchandise in every prince range and most of it is not expensive. Even figures are mostly not that expensive.

>the ecchi industry
Which is what exactly?

>majority of their profit purchased by shut-ins
You mean for example the half a million "shut-ins" that attend Comiket twice a year? Or the "shut-ins" working in anime, manga. light novels and video games? The "shut-ins" who attend concerts and special events for anime?

>>87459049
>The reason why it seems like the old stuff is better is because no one talks about or remembers the bad old shit.
No, there's always been bad shows but what's different is the ratio of good to bad. It's gotten REALLY bad lately. It's different for the west where it's mostly mediocre and nothing too quality. Anime is mostly bad with a few gems.

>>87458169
and that comic has a 14 yr old with huge tits
so america is also about boobs!

>>87459021
> It's knowledge I've gained based on experience.
It's knowledge you've gained from other people and now you think it was your own idea all along. Either that or you're one of those people who think Cowboy Bebop (or some other mega popular super normalfag anime) is the model for what anime is supposed to be like, and anything that isn't like Cowboy Bebop must be bad.

>>87459059
It stands out because it's the only thing people pay attention to.

>>87459107
>Anime is mostly bad with a few gems.
No it isn't.

>>87459121
Where is your proof? You keep claiming that there are good current anime, but I don't see any. Give some names. The guy said 20, so...

>>87459094
not in the thread, just scrolling but, you need to go outside my friend. maybe meet some girls. you're wasting your life away being so serious on the internet about what? anime dolls?.

>>87459147
>I don't see any
Because you're not looking, because you invent various excuses to dismiss everything without even trying it, or because your concept of "good anime" is some manime you saw in your early teens so now all anime has to be exactly like it.

>>87459178
What the hell are you talking about?

>>87459178

I'm not that anon, but if you know how to meet girls you shouldn't be on here in the first place.

Because we all have access to the internet, and therefore all the pornography we want whenever we want

So teasing little moments of almost-softcore-nudity aren't really the kind of thing that will make us run out and buy DVDs in america

I don't know why it is in Japan. They have internet over there too right?

>>87459121
There have been at least 130 anime series made within 2015 alone.

Name 20 good ones with little fan service.

If you can't even do that, then less than 15% of general anime is actually watchable.

>>87459236
Then what's with all the music videos that are almost softcore porn? Why do TV shows and movies have nudity and sex? Why is sex used to advertise things?

>>87459193
??? I don't get it. If it's so easy to find then why can't you just say it? Could it be that you're not telling the truth? I mean, if you're right then you should have no problem listing them.

>>87459256
>Name 20 good ones
You would either fabricate some reasons why they are not good, even if you've never heard of them before, or again your concept of "good anime" is some narrow-minded bullshit, so anything other than your childhood anime is "bad."

And why did you feel the need to specify "with little fanservice"? Ecchi, again, is not nearly as common as people think it is.

>>87459278
See above.

>>87459259
music and sex are tied together for brain reasons

as for why movies have sex scenes, I never got that either

>>87459059
Side note: are webms just completely out the window on 4chan at this point? 95% of them load at dial up speeds.

>>87459292
>And why did you feel the need to specify "with little fanservice"?
Because that's what the thread is about. Your refusal to provide evidence because "b-but you'll just say it's bad anyway" is just making you look worse and worse as time goes on. You better provide proof or stop making claims.

>>87459293
>music and sex are tied together for brain reasons
What?

>>87459322
>Because that's what the thread is about.
What does that have to do with this? As I just said, people overestimate the amount of ecchi in anime. There's no reason to specify shows without it.

>Your refusal to provide evidence
I just explained why that's pointless. Did you not read my post?

>>87459322
That was not the point of the first anons post though. It was about good AIRING anime.

>>87459341
Last chance to provide proof or you concede. No excuses.

>>87459359
>I'm bored and need something to watch.

>>87459359
Again:
>You would either fabricate some reasons why they are not good, even if you've never heard of them before, or again your concept of "good anime" is some narrow-minded bullshit, so anything other than your childhood anime is "bad."
So go fuck yourself.

>>87459292
>>87459341
The fact that you are this stubborn in not providing examples in an argument to help boost your point just means you're trolling or never had a point to make.

All of your previous posts have become invalidated. Go back to /a/ where you can spout this nonsense.

>>87459383
Again:
>You would either fabricate some reasons why they are not good, even if you've never heard of them before, or again your concept of "good anime" is some narrow-minded bullshit, so anything other than your childhood anime is "bad."
So go fuck yourself.

(Didn't even need to type a new post.)

>>87459381
You're not posting responses because of a predicted response but here you are ACTUALLY posting a rebuttal that is basically, "I'm not listening".

Like, I could argue that it's pointless to respond to you because all you'll do is say, "No it's not" or "It's a myth".

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>>87459193

Aw what a cute little troll. :)
Hope this is keeping you up all night anon! I can already tell by your posts you have no job.

>>87459381
>>87459398
(you)

I know you desperately need them. Considering you're responding to every single post in this thread, I think getting replies might actually be helping your crippling anxious anti social tendencies you probably suffer from. I'll throw a couple more your way if you want.

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>>87457923
Because since we westerners don't have the same weird genitalia censorship laws that Japan does we can produce porn like fucking nothing, we have millions of free and completely uncensored videos at out finger tips, so we don't need some half assed non-porn to get off.

Also fuck that annoying bullshit with the main male accidentally groping or stripping one of the females that ends with her viciously attack him or screaming that weird Japanese ear drum popping cry, that shit is in my top 5's for why I don't watch nip shit anymore.

>>87459401
>you are ACTUALLY posting a rebuttal that is basically, "I'm not listening".
No I'm not.

>Like, I could argue that it's pointless to respond to you because all you'll do is say, "No it's not" or "It's a myth".
I could argue that you are lying.

>>87459409
I have not done any trolling.

>I can already tell by your posts you have no job.
I can tell that you've cornered yourself and now you want a way out by trying to make this thread about me instead, or the things that you imagine about me.

>>87459419
I, again, have not done any trolling.

>Considering you're responding to every single post in this thread
If it bothers you that I respond to your posts, you can simply stop posting them.

>I think getting replies might actually be helping your crippling anxious anti social tendencies you probably suffer from.
You've cornered yourself and now you want a way out by trying to make this thread about me instead, or the things that you imagine about me.

>>87459446
(you) (you) (you)
I'm so sorry for you afflictions. I know it must be hard being this much of a degenerate even for 4chan's standards.

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>>87459446
>If it bothers you that I respond to your posts, you can simply stop posting them.

>>87459381
>>87459398
The Man With No Proof:

New anime: 40 year old man posts on 4chan with no proof and tries to see how far he can get without getting called out on it
Of COURSE there's gonna be fanservice, are you crazy? How else are we supposed to make money?

Note: this show would still be better than 90% of current anime.

>>87459446
>You've cornered yourself and now you want a way out by trying to make this thread
You LONG cornered yourself by refusing to name just some anime shows to help prove your point. At this point, you're the one who stopped any discussion dead in its tracks and are now just scrambling to get the last word in.

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>>87459461
Man, this show was so fucking boring, but god damn.

>>87459198
you assume everyone on /co/ can't get girls because you can't? keep telling yourself that. you're normal.

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>>87459482
>Hyouka
>Boring
You're just a massive plet

>>87459094
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>>87459446
If this is the type of autism anime attracts, then thank God we're not like anime. I'll take the Steven Universe fandom over idiots like this anyday. At least SU fans have a hint of self-awareness to them enough that they can be humiliated off the internet, like that suicidal chick.

>>87458343
that's probably the edgiest moment in Body Bags(which is actually pretty good otherwise), indeed the rest of it is pretty normal in terms of violence(like about the same as your average PG-13 movie, although the cursing would probably bring it up to an R rating cause the MPAA are a bunch of weirdoes), although it kinda does explain why after the original mini-series and one other story, the POV shifts over to another more sympathetic character

>>87459113
oddly enough that doesn't get brought up in the comic all that often, at least regarding her bust size, her age on the other hand comes up somewhat often

>>87459435
Japan has a very substantial porn industry, and a lot of anime and manga porn is made too. So your theory is completely wrong.

>Also fuck that annoying bullshit with the main male accidentally groping or stripping one of the females that ends with her viciously attack him or screaming that weird Japanese ear drum popping cry, that shit is in my top 5's for why I don't watch nip shit anymore.
So you seriously think that cliche occurs in every show, even in ones without male characters?

>>87459457
I, again, was not trolling. If you seriously think I'm trolling then why are you responding? Either you're very stupid or you don't even understand what trolling means.

>>87459465
Yes, that's what I said.

>>87459467
I already told you why there's no reason for me to post "proof."

>Of COURSE there's gonna be fanservice, are you crazy? How else are we supposed to make money?
I already stated that anime heavy on ecchi is not made much and does not have strong sales.

>>87459472
>You LONG cornered yourself by refusing to name just some anime shows to help prove your point.
No, I did not corner myself. I already explained why there's no reason for me to name any shows.

>scrambling to get the last word in.
You're the one bringing up getting the last word. I never mentioned anything about it.

>>87459496
I am not autistic or an idiot. You just can't come up with any arguments.

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>>87459493
KyoAni is pretty shit overall though

>>87459487

>keep telling yourself that. you're normal.
Is that first period meant to be there?

Regardless, you can't undermine my self-esteem more than it already is.

>>87459526
Meme.

American Dad does a bit with Francine. It's nice.

>>87459523
>I, again, was not trolling
That's a myth.

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>>87459523
Not every single show, but a lot of them.

Hell, it's almost like a filter that helps decide "is this show worth watching or a complete waste of my time?" Granted Groundless is the only good thing to come out of that country in a long ass time.

>>87459523
>You just can't come up with any arguments.
You LITERALLY can't provide any proof though.
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How can we get nips on pixiv to draw /co/ shit? Since westerners are all fur and diaper fags.

How do you make japan like /co/ for the sake of porn?

>>87459547
Then prove that I'm trolling.

Although if I am trolling then my objective is to keep getting you to respoond, and you would be stupid to keep engaging me.

>>87459554
>a lot of them
Out of every single anime I've started watching this season, I think this only happens or could happen in one (Okusama ga Seitokaichou, a short anime with a heavy focus on ecchi).

>>87459565
I literally explained why I don't have to, or rather why demanding "proof" from me is idiotic.

>>87459259
not to mention >>87459236 's excuse is bullshit when porn constantly gets cracked down on in the US. Comic and video stores used to get raided by puritanical cops all the fucking time over nothing. Literally some plainclothes would walk in, buy a jerk mag, then radio his buddies to confiscate their smut stock. Usually slapped them with charges and a fine for "peddling obscene material to minors", or some shit too, because kids happened to be in the store (nevermind that any shop not run by a dumbass would keep adult material in a separate, clearly marked and often monitored section)

back to your point, we're just a damned horny species, and also smart enough to exploit and profit from each others' horniness.

>>87459523
No proof.
>>87459588
No proof.

Good anime is a myth.

>>87458068
They love the taste of blood

>>87459606
Once again: I have already explained why I don't have to provide "proof." Do you have a counter-argument to that or not?

>Good anime is a myth.
No it isn't.

>>87459588
>Then prove that I'm trolling.
Okay. By refusing to provide any proof to your stance and just responding to people to get (you)'s as stated in your post, here: >>87459588

Your explanation for no proof is a weak one and is actually the most classic definition of a troll I can think of. Someone who purposely spouts wrong, but believable sounding, opinions to get a shit ton of people to reply. The only major missing element is that you're usually suppose to get other people to argue with themselves so you can eventually step out of the thread and watch it burn, but you seem to be taking all of the burden onto yourself which is indeed an acceptable form of trolling.

Either way provide some fucking evidence. I won't say dick about your choices, just get some fucking anime shows and list them here or you're just a faggot with no actual point.

If you say you refuse to because of your made up prediction, then fuck you, I guess.

>>87459621
Yes it is.

>>87459626
>By refusing to provide any proof to your stance
Once again: I have already explained why I don't have to provide "proof." Do you have a counter-argument to that or not?

>just responding to people to get (you)'s
Based on what?

>Your explanation for no proof is a weak one and is actually the most classic definition of a troll I can think of.
How is it weak? How does it prove I'm a troll?

>Someone who purposely spouts wrong, but believable sounding, opinions to get a shit ton of people to reply
What wrong things have I said? What makes you think my objective is to get people to reply?

>Either way provide some fucking evidence.
Once again: I have already explained why I don't have to provide "proof." Do you have a counter-argument to that or not?

>>87459646
No it isn't.

>>87459655
Yes it is.

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This 'old anime was better' argument is stupid.

>>87457923
Its times like this I regret getting an iPhone

Regardless, sauce?

>>87459587
it just has to catch, like shantae did on jap miiverse

>>87459533
it's the way i wrote it, normie. should everyone who can get girls leave 4chan so all the losers can get together?

>>87459658
No it isn't.

>>87457923
There is no middle ground. Japanese either use no fan service or LOTS of it

Show me ONE anime that's the middle ground.

>>87459661
its the same amount of good/bad shit really.

>>87459669
Yes it is.

>>87459661
Old anime and new anime are two different flavors of good and bad

>>87459655
Reason for lack of proof is not proof of reason.

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>>87459676

>>87459661
People usually base it on 5-10 anime made during a period of two decades and have a completely distorted view of what anime was actually like then. And an even more distorted view of what it is today.

>>87459676
Yuuri on Ice.

>>87459684
No it isn't.

>>87459690
What are you talking about?

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>>87457923
Depends on how shameless they feel.

>>87459699
Yes it is.

>>87459703
No it isn't.

>>87459668

I honestly cannot parse exactly what you're saying.

But I'm literally sick and tired, so I can't be bothered to keep the conversation going anyway. Enjoy not being suicidal all the time.

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>>87459663
Bakeshit, it has its peaks but with over 7+ seasons the series is mostly garbage.

>>87459708
Yes it is.

>>87459697
What anime

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>>87457923
1. The vast majority of cartoons have to maintain a G to PG rating since they're on child friendly networks and are primarily marketed towards children
2. Fan service is shit that has never added anything of value to anything it has ever been in
3. The internet exists, you can easily get your rocks off to millions of full on porn videos, making this kind of fan service completely fucking useless if you're above the age of 14

>>87459713
There's really only four seasons, and why does having many seasons mean the show must be bad?

>>87459725
No it isn't.

>>87459740
Yes it is.

If anyone cannot gather, the fact that he is legit arguing like a child by repeatedly saying no it isn't is just proof that this guy is an idiot or a trll and isn't worth anyone's time responding to. Everyone in this thread knows he's dumb, he doesn't have a point to make, if he replies to your post just ignore him, no one cares, if we had the option we would block his posts from being visible in this thread. Just respond to OP's question instead and let this autistic child argue to brick walls.

>>87459730
Gunbuster. Picked one for the
>old anime is better!
fags

>>87459740
>There's really only four seasons, and why does having many seasons mean the show must be bad?
Not him, but it's pretentious for the sake of being pretentious to disguise the fact that it's just a shitty harem show.

There's no denying that scenes like the OP have a tendency to appeal to kissless virgins moreso than normal people

Japan just has more of them

/thread

>Where's the middle ground?
You need to look for the stuff made by old weebs, like Fred Perry's Gold Digger or Adam Warren's Empowered.

>>87459758
No it isn't.

>he is legit arguing like a child
No I'm not, and if I am then so are you since you are doing the same.

>Everyone in this thread knows he's dumb
How am I dumb?

>he doesn't have a point to make
I've made numerous points throughout the thread. Why are you lying?

>>87459773
It's harem-ish, but so what? That doesn't mean anything. Harem and harem-ish shows are not all the same. Monogatari doesn't have anything to do with, say, OniAi or Trinity Seven.

People just obsess over labels and categories, real or imaginary, instead of looking at things as they are.

>>87459778
Yet it's totally fine to watch porn and shows like Game of Thrones, for some reason.

>>87459773
>just a shitty harem show
>protagonist chooses his girlfriend in the first 3 episodes
????????

>>87459740
Usually shows that drag for too long are pretty bad. Everything past Bake, maybe Season 2, and the new movies has been awful. Nothing but fanservice, inside jokes and winks to previous seasons, it has this self-fellating vibe, which I don't mind but that's not what I liked about Bake. Coincidentally I only like the stuff directed by Oishi. Itamura direction is always sloppy and directionless imo.

>>87459661
Tbh, current season is legit shit, though.

I know /a/ says that about every season. But Spring had Flying Witch, Summer had Mob Psycho 100, this season has several ok shows, but none are on those levels and too many straight up disappointments, not to mention fujo shit.

>>87459811
>Nothing but fanservice, inside jokes and winks to previous seasons
This is not actually true though, and obviously they're going to refer to things that happened in the past. It's not a cartoon.

>>87459793
>It's harem-ish, but so what?
did you just choose to completely ignore the pretentious to be pretentious part?

>>87459806
>continually meets more and more interests

>>87459813
D R I F T E R S

>>87457923
Americans are puritans. They are in the past, and they are still puritans now.

>>87459827
>did you just choose to completely ignore the pretentious to be pretentious part?
Yes since it wasn't relevant.

>>87459834
Were you the kid in school that would say "present" instead of "here" during attendance?

>>87459854
You are trying to change the subject.

>>87459857
Because your post wasn't relevant

>>87459875
Or was it...?

>>87459875
You asked a question and I answered. How was that not relevant?

>>87459711
is this like a super troll?
don't sweecide.

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>tfw no doujins

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>america will never reach this level of story telling

>>87459059
Monkey a cute

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>>87459986
>there will never be a special Keijo episode of DC Superhero Girls

>>87459713
>with over 7+ seasons
Jesus fucking christ. How do they manage to fill all those seasons with just talking heads? Nothing ever fucking happens in this show.

>>87460009
Keijo is a nasty and disgusting anime. It's made for pedos

>>87458047
You do know that there was always fanservice back in your glorious 80s

>>87459986

>take Ryuko
>remove red streak in hair
>call it new character

Why is this allowed?

>>87460044

Some season have only a handful of episodes.

>>87460066
Keijo characters are all 17+ year olds. Their bodies don't even resemble a loli at all

>>87458440
I fap both

>>87460082
the manga came out in 2013 so...

>>87458450
>monkey that low
Shit taste

>>87460095
There's no KLK manga retard.

>>87460107
Keijo you retard.

>>87458450
Kaiki>Snake>Bat>Bee>Snail>Bird>Monkey>Cat>Math>Dark>Crab>Doll

>>87458835
Nobody comes to my house so i can have my anime figurines

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>>87460107

>>87460044
Again it's more like four seasons, and yes things do happen in it all the time.

>>87460082
They're different characters.

>>87460088
He's pulling a meme on you, anon.

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>>87459986

>>87460088
It's still disgusting. They all look like 15 year olds TOPS.

And it's fucking pathetic. Girls who bounce their asses and boobs together. Wow..just...


Japs are disgusting

>>87459383
>implying /a/ would not hate this guy too

>>87460152
Their appearance is normal and even if they looked 15 that would still not make it pedophilic. Not to mention that they are anime characters, so even if they looked 10 years old it wouldn't make any difference.

>>87460168
Yes I'm sure they hate people who they can't argue against. What about it?

>>87460142
Keijo fightan game when?

Choos your dev /co/mrades!

> Capcom
> SnK
> Arcsys

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>>87460142
Non is best girl.

>>87460195
Arcsys.

It better be HnK or Sengoku Basara X tier broken too.

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>>87459813
But Drifters and natsume season 5. Drifters have Trap of the Year

>>87460186
He probably would get banned too

>>87460318
I knew it was a trap, but for a moment I thought it was a girl and got really disappointed. I'm amazed at how much I've grown.

>>87460355
I've yet to be banned from /a/ for winning an argument.

>>87460379

>>87460393
Yes?

>>87459059

I feel like a noob, but: sauce? Because that is completely adorable.

>>87460465
Nisemonogatari I think. Or some other Monogatari season.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elGxUfeAJZ0

>>87457923
Ecchi is cancer. It's porn without the porn, so there's nothing to enjoy about it.

>>87460465
Monogatari. That's the first season, it changes names every season, but that will at least get you started. Character is Kanbaru, or monkey.

>>87460374
But that what makes him great. She is perfect trap

Got to remember,

West animation -> Targeting children

East animation -> Targeting young adult males aged 14-30

>>87460152
>>>/tumblr/

>>87460603
So why isn't more west animation targeting that 14-30 demographic? Clearly it exists in the west because of how popular anime is there.

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Do people actually watch anime solely for the fanservice?
It seems kinda shallow to do so desu. I don't mind it but only when it's done tastefully and it's unexpected.

>>87457923
Animation is a lot more expensive in the west, so making animated series or movies without being backed by a network is nigh impossible. And those networks have to keep to ratings (when it's a children's series) or prefer to play it safe and make gross out adult comedy shows.
There simply is not enough lonely teen/young adult market for ecchi to be viable.
You can do it in Japan where animators are paid peanuts, but not where their craft is valued to the point of seeming overpriced.

>>87459059
Is she sleeping on a bunch of books? That can't be comfortable.

>>87457923
Americans are terrified of sex.

>>87457923
source?

>>87460720
jesus christ, just look a few posts above.

>>87460603
You are allowed to say Japanese animation. You don't have to use euphemisms like "East animation."

Anime targets both genders from childhood to adulthood, and even children's shows can have (or have had in the past) content that would be labelled "fanservice" by many people.

>>87460662
It's not common in Japan if sales numbers are anything to go by. Brave Witches even seems to have ditched all the ecchi even though it was very prominent in Strike Witches. They evidently didn't think it was important.

>>87460690
American shows are animated in South Korea, and I doubt they are paid much more than Japanese animators. The production values are also so bottom of the barrel that they can't require very large staffs. A major expense for American shows is voice acting, and writers and producers probably have over-inflated salaries too.

>>87457923
What is ecchi?

I'm not an anime person, I know there is an ecchi 4chan board, I went there and it just seems like hentai anime garbage I have no interest in, but it must be something different since there is a separate hentai board?

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>>87457923
>he doesn't read franco-belgian comics

>>87460761
It's light pron
Ecchi = Maxim, Playboy, Swimsuit Sports Illustrated
Hentai = Penthouse

>>87460761
Ecchi is things like nudity, pantyshots, jiggling breasts and groping.

>>87459813
flip flappers is good, well animated, doesn't waste time

>>87460761
Non-pornographic erotic imagery/situations, up to and including nudity and sex. The weird thing is that Ecchi is the Japanese pronunciation of the singular letter 'H' which, you guessed it, stands for Hentai.

>>87460822
This is something a Japanese person wrote:
>Though you can also find "H" placed behind a word referencing a piece of adult material, especially if it's aimed toward women, this has an entirely different meaning than what English speakers may confuse as "hentai." "H" and "hentai" are two entirely different descriptions of entirely different things. They are related only in that they describe sexual content.

>I thought the "H" stood for hentai. Is that wrong?

>It was around 50 years ago. It doesn't anymore. It's a euphemism now for sex. Guys use it, but it's primarily an invention of women who didn't want to refer to the word itself and get around censors during the 60s, because at the same time it was also used to refer to "homosexual" and therefore an early codeword for yaoi. From that, other letter terminology evolved, so that "I" referred to love and ABCD is a similar thing to the English "base" system. A means kisses, B means groping, C means sex and D means pregnancy. It's often said that you don't find "I" between "A" and "D," but it comes right after "H," if you get the joke. :P
>Back then, hentai as in the actual Japanese word hentai and not the English meaning of it as anime porn, did not have the same meaning it does today either. Hentai as a pejorative is actually short for another word, 変態性欲 (hentaiseiyoku) which basically means a really perverted person. Originally, by itself, it did not mean that and referred to a biological function of changing form in growth. It's kind like the difference between saying urethra and dick. It has several different meanings and women referring to "H" back then is partially what makes it have its current dominant meaning of pervert, though the old meanings remain to some extent.

>>87460662
Well if it is shit like to-love ru then yeah

>>87460662
One of the top airing shows this season is about high school girls in swimsuits who engage in sport combat entirely with their tits and asses

the answer to your question is yes

>>87460887
It's been talked about a lot because SJWs heard about it and now they're triggered. Okusama ga Seitokaichou has uncensored nudity and stops just short of becoming porn, but nobody talks about it because SJWs haven't caught wind of it (yet). There have been other much more explicit shows than Keijo that haven't received any particular attention. Keijo doesn't have that much ecchi in it despite its premise. And the characters aren't in high school.

I predict Hibike to be the best selling show from this season, or maybe Yuuri on Ice.

>>87457923
Because ecchi is literally the worst fucking garbage ever, only rivaled by "moe". If you want to jerk off, then watch porn. Don't ruin a good series by injecting obnoxious porn-lite into it.

Keep your awful japanese tropes out of /co/ media please.

>>87460947
Also, Keijo is being watched by 40k people on MAL vs. 51K for Yuuri, 39K for Bungou Stray Dogs and 47K for Drifters, so it's not that popular. Okusama is at 20K.

>>87460971
Ecchi is not Japanese and is not a trope. "Moe" basically does not mean anything, it's just a bogeyman that makes Westerners piss and cry themselves to sleep.

>>87461004
found the triggered weeb

>>87461014
I'm not triggered or a weeb.

Try again.

>>87461004
didn't Shirobako use "moe" as a genre term
I'm pretty sure it did

>>87461004
>>87461022
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4eJECi2DvU

>>87461022
I don't remember if it did, but it isn't a genre.

>>87458125
>wanting grown ass men to control cartoons
yeah because it turned out so well with candy colored horses and majority moeshit anime garbage right?

>>87461082
Moeshit doesn't mean anything, and what does anime even have to do with who controls American shows? They're two different industries in two different countries.

>>87460504
>>87460527

Thank you.

>>87461028

And now for something completely different.

>>87461099
because the moment western producers notice the relatively untapped market of western manchildren is the moment animation dies
I dont want cute girls doing cute things shows like idolmaster or kancolle type shows to dominate the media since its already shitty as it is

>>87461161
"Manchildren" and "cute girls doing cute things" don't mean anything either.

What makes you think shows like iDOLM@STER would become popular let alone dominant when even most Western anime viewers hate them, and people who are into them don't have any need for shitty American knock-offs?

>>87461206
>What makes you think shows like iDOLM@STER would become popular let alone dominant when even most Western anime viewers hate them
because of a certain horse show and since western anime viewers arent the sole target

>>87460752
>sales numbers

Sales of discs are basically irrelevant for anime. Anime gets created to be an advertisement for the original manga/vn/whatever, plus merch, whatever idol or band does the opening and ending credits, etc. Various companies put in money to the production committee (generally not the studio) all seeking to get different returns on their investment. Selling a lot of discs is a nice bonus for those who benefit from that part, but typically not the aim.

>>87458291
Only if they identify as a pansexual black man trasitioning into their later helicopter phase. That way when they show boob, it's not not a "female brest" but but a beautiful missle....

>>87461248
>BD's
>irrelevant for anime
Uhh anon that's how most studios make back their income. Through BD sales and merch, even if the anime is one big ad for the source. There's a reason Amazon stalker threads are common on /a/ to track what's selling over there with otaku's since they have neetbuxs to afford those expensive box sets.

>>87461308
>There's a reason Amazon stalker threads are common on /a/
and that reason is autism

>>87461314
That could be said about any thread on 4chan

>>87461328
im talking about being a neet but good point

>>87461248
Disc sales are irrelevant or largely irrelevant for daytime anime, but not for late night anime. They are important and used as the metric for whether a show is successful or not. Shows with low sales generally don't get follow-ups or much merchandise.

Advertising is a meme. Yes, one of the purposes of an anime adaptation is to promote the source material, but that is not the only purpose, and the fact that they are promoting the source material doesn't mean they half-ass the anime and don't care about its quality. It's not a very good way of advertising something, and it means lower disc sales which means less profit. And anime pros do want to make good anime, and they are the one who actually make it, not the publisher.

>>87461308
Studios are usually or often just hired for the job, and don't get money from sales (I guess there could be some bonus structure involved though).

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>/a/ made me fall for the Monogatari meme

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>>87460971
But moe can be good thing too

>>87459986
Is this like sumo or some shit?

>>87461434
>slutcaptor whorekura

>>87461082
You think kids are any better? And you can still have your manime even this year

>>87461456
no but compared to manchildren? yes

>>87461161
But they dont even dominate anime anymore. This is not 2013 anymore

>>87458125
>Children don't have money.
Their parents do.

>>87461426
>he didnt watch the prequel tsf monogatari

>>87461476
Shut up Shindol

>>87461426
I liked it

>>87461434
Any character could be considered moe by someone (or not considered).

>>87461463
Well maybe but atleast those otakus support that shit even when i hate how shit taste they have.

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>>87461491
True

>>87461469
>But they dont even dominate anime anymore
>hibiki
>brave witches
>shanketsu
>mahou
>okusama
>rock
>ikusei keikaku
>kaiju girls
>regalia
>crane game
>kiitarou
honestly 2016 is between moeshit and fujoshishit

>>87461451
Fuck off Sakura is great girl

>>87461499
so youre ok with people supporting shows like problem solvers, johnny test or just canadian animation in general since they are supporting the industry even though they have shit taste?

>>87461513
But isnt drifters selling best this season

>>87461518
>literal the poster slut of lolis
>great

>>87461523
Not really but we cant do anything to it. I just can complain about idolshit but cant do anything to it

>>87461525
>oda nobunaga is a heartless warlord
>scipio africanus is a good guy
>joan of arc is a schizophrenic
drifters a shit

>>87461546
>Scipio
>Bad
FUCK OFF CARTHAGE
4chan IS A ROMAN PROVINCE

>>87461513
>Hibike
It's a drama, and one of the finest productions ever made.

>Brave Witches
It's about a military unit fighting alien invaders and the main character's struggle to prove herself.

>Shakunetsu
Sports.

>Mahou
It's just a short format series.

>Ikusei Keikaku
I haven't watched it yet but it seems to be a Madoka-like show, so doesn't belong on this list.

>Kaiju
Short format.

>Regalia
Mecha.

>Crane Game
Short format.

>Kiitarou
Short format, and also doesn't seem to be a "moe" show.

>>87461546
But it is great. It isnt trying to be taken seriously just like Helsing

>>87461525
compared to kancolle? not really

>>87461562
>madoka
>not 2deep4u moeshit

>>87461525
I don't think this season's BDs are even on sale yet.

>>87461567
There is no KanColle anime this season. There is a movie but it hasn't even opened yet.

>>87461580
Moeshit doesn't mean anything. If you mean it's like K-On, it isn't.

>>87461567
Well second best atleast but i am glad it is selling and it is much more bigger in japan than hellsing was

>>87457923
That's not how breasts work.

>>87461602
moeshit as in it really on cute girls to pander to neetfags

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>>87457923
>/co/- covert /a/ bullshit

>>87461640
Hibike, Madoka, Hidamari Sketch, Amanchu, Girls und Panzer, Gunslinger Girl and Pretty Cure all have cute girls in them, but they're also all different kinds of shows. How does the existence of cute girls mean the authors are pandering? Are you saying it's not possible for creative professionals to like cute girls?

What does not being employed, in education or in training have to do with anything?

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Why are americans so afraid of the female body?

>>87461682
With all that shit everything else is secondary to the cute girls who sell the merchandise.

>>87461711
America used to have a big witch problem in the Northeast

>>87461640
Wait if they are neet how do they get all money for figurines and BDs?

>>87461612
>anime
>realistic at all

>>87461682
Amamchu was great and i hope it will have good figurines atleast nendos

>>87461711
Because lazy parenting

>>87461725
No it isn't. You are completely delusional. You are demonizing the mythical "otaku" who are supposedly the sole audience of these shows (yes even Pretty Cure, the daytime show for girls) and painting them as people who don't care about anything except cute girls and will just blindly buy anything with cute girls in it and only focus on cute girls when they make something. That is nothing more than your fantasy created by your hysterical fear of cute girls.

Hibike is a drama and one of the most accomplished and elaborate TV anime productions of all time, but in your fantasy world it's just an empty stage for cute girls to stand around in and do nothing in particular. They make you so hysterical that you can't even pay attention to anything else.

>>87461776
There is a lot of realistic anime and elements of realism. Like the aforementioned Hibike.

>>87461711
>Why are americans so afraid of the female body?

There's a certain puritan notion, especially in America, that God's creation is for Him alone to enjoy and that if you're having too much fun you will be punished. These notions don't just relate to sex of course, but to everything that's not hard work and submission to Our Lord (this includes pretty much all Comics & Cartoons, by the way). So from our fellow man, we developed the habit of removing temptations to stray. Like the eating of pork (which was difficult to safely prepare before modern cuisine), over time taboos developed around those habits. It's not the female body, it's the implicit temptation to engage in the sin of Lust.

>>87461880
It's considered fine to watch porn and rape scenes though.

>>87461810
Hibike is overrated. Kyoanis been going downhill since Hyouka.

>>87461903
Hibike, particularly season two, has amazing production quality, direction and attention to detail.

>>87461923
Hibike looks amazing but the drama makes me want to gag.

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>>87459587
You just need to wait for more westaboos to surface, like Gashigashi.

>>87461939
Yes it needs more explosions and ebin battles.

>>87461886
Maybe to 4chan internet perverts who have rejected God, but broadly speaking no it isn't considered "fine".

>>87461903
This

>>87461950
Someone sure is open to criticism.

>>87461939
Japs arent really good at drama

>>87461952
Game of Thrones is mega popular and it's an open secret that everyone watches porn.

>>87461961
"Eww, drama" is not criticism, it's an admission of being too young to watch.

>>87457923
BEcause it's exclusive to trashy anime, weeb

>>87461971
>it's an admission of being too young to watch.

Well, I am an 8 year old girl.

>>87461973
A weeb wouldn't even be interested in /co/ stuff.

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>>87461952
This is your reminder that American morality is so utterly out of whack with reality that they consider this fine but an exposed nipple is a gateway to hell.
I wouldn't mind, but your media infects the rest of us with this fucked-up mindset.

>>87461971
>Game of Thrones is mega popular

If anything, the amount of sex in Game of Thrones is to curry notoriety rather than please the audience. That isn't "fine". That's deliberately playing on "not fine".

>>87462036
There's been some muted complaints from feminists but otherwise everyone is fine with it.

If it's live action, people are fine with it. Doesn't matter what it is. Could be infants getting raped to death with sandpaper-covered baseball bats. It's fine. It's an artistic experience for mature grown-ups.

An anime showing a girl in a swimsuit is mind-bogglingly perverted child rape porn degeneracy for creepy manchild pedophile weeaboo subhumans though. Two nukes weren't enough.

This is what Americans actually believe.

>>87459461

too bad this show has absolutely nothing sexy like this in it short of the credits

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>>87462058
>otherwise everyone is fine with it.

If everyone was fine with it, Janet Jackson's nipple slip wouldn't have been news, and the Picasso that started this discussion wouldn't be blurred. Oh, and other networks would be looking to capitalize on this by by competing directly with HBO, which they could, easily, with several times the audience reach that HBO has. They don't, because of FCC regulations, and because they'd lose their ad revenue.

>This guy thinks everyone is fine with it.

>>87459621
>I have already explained why I don't have to provide "proof.
"But you won't like the anime" isn't an argument.

>Do you have a counter-argument to that or not?
Here's one: people who make claims have the burden of proof to back them up. Of course you don't know that since all you do is fap to anime fanservice all day.

>>87462157
Janet Jackson was not appearing on HBO or in a movie.

>This guy thinks everyone is fine with it.
They are.

>>87462191
>"But you won't like the anime" isn't an argument.
What?

>Here's one: people who make claims have the burden of proof to back them up.
I have already explained why I don't have to provide "proof."

>Of course you don't know that since all you do is fap to anime fanservice all day.
You are trying to change the subject by making this about me because you have no real arguments to present.

>>87459661
WOW YOU SURE SHOWED ME WITH THIS OBJECTIVE GRAPH!

I can make one too, just replace the green with the red on the first one, and make the second one all red. Easy, right?

>>87457923
>I need TnA or else I can't enjoy media

Weebs please leave.

>>87462226
So you're saying weebs are responsible for all sexual content in American media?

>>87462208
>Janet Jackson was not appearing on HBO or in a movie.

Right, so the second we see this outside of some walled garden of perverts like HBO, people lose their shit. Because they aren't fine with it. Retard.

>>87462352
Game of Thrones, again, is very popular. Movies with heavy amounts of sexual content including rape don't cause controversy either, but anime gets shit on really hard for even the most minor things. In fact it is not even necessary for an anime to feature sexual content in order to be accused of being perverted and sickening.

>Retard
No, that would be you.

>>87461810
Are you a fucking idiot? Hikibe is the same empty shit kyoani has been pumping out post after story

>>87462406
It's your head that's empty, and it's you who is an idiot. You're most likely just blindly repeating something someone told you.

Hibike is not one of your "moeshit" strawmen, it's a drama. It has a story and character development and many serious moments, and a tremendous amount of effort was put into its production.

>>87462235
Jews are the ones responsible for that. Weebs just want more of it.

>>87459813
mob psycho was fantastic, and don't forget all that jojo.

re:zero was shit though

>>87462448
So everyone who for example watches porn is a weeb, i.e. wannabe Japanese? Really?

>>87462457
When did I say that? Goyim are content with what they have, weebs want more.

>>87461810
>>87462445
>my moe anime is actually kino

Gee this argument seems familiar. Is this what it feels like to be in a SW prequel defense thread?

>>87462493
>Fun things are fun

>>87462484
So the people watching porn and rape scenes and using Tinder like a meat market are fine, but it's the "weebs" who are a problem for watching anime with at most softcore levels of ecchi. Ok.

>>87462493
Hibike is very cinematic and very well directed and produced. You are too juvenile to understand.

>>87462508
That's from K-On, not Hibike.

>>87462385
Uh uh, you don't get off that easy.

You have to explain why the Janet Jackson thing was a problem if America is "fine with it", even though America demonstrably loses its collective shit when it sees a nipple outside of the (all media considered) incredibly limited scope of HBO. I've looked at the viewership of GoT, it's tiny compared to the Super Bowl. Minuscule. Insignificant. If absolutely every GoT viewer was a raving sex lunatic, it would be a drop in the bucket, statistically speaking compared to the Super Bowl.

You have to explain why CBS hasn't used their incredible audience reach to compete directly with GoT in the sex department.

You have to explain the entire MPAA rating system, and why movies that want to be profitable DELIBERATELY avoid strong sexual content.

>>87462537
I've already told you everything there is to tell. You are either in denial of reality or desperately trying to run damage control.

>>87462220
Point was that it is stupid to say older anime is better because it really isnt.

>>87462226
Well i like tits

>>87462445
Okay. I guess someone gave me my opinion while I watched it.
>>87462537
If you don't understand why a nip slip on the most watched event of the year is a big deal then you're are a lost cause.

>>87462508
Well they are. Lupin is fun too

>>87462613
If you actually watched it and still have such an idiotic view of it, that's even worse.

>>87462613
>If you don't understand why a nip slip on the most watched event of the year is a big deal then you're are a lost cause.

Uh, my argument is precisely that it was a big deal, and the fact that this was a big deal contradicts points made by this anon >>87462208

>>87462656
Nothing was contradicted.

>>87462673
Being fine with sex and nudity is in direct contradiction to the collective shit fit had over it. This is mutually exclusive, and requires a deeper explanation than "Well GoT is popular so it's all good".

>>87462588
IMO it's not that the quality has dropped so significantly (there are always bad shows) but that the ratio of good-to-bad has gotten really bad these days. And variety.

>>87462688
You are either in denial of reality or desperately trying to run damage control.

>>87462694
>The ratio of good-to-bad has gotten really bad these days.
No it hasn't. You are comparing a handful of cherry-picked examples from a period of two decades against a strawman of the present.

>And variety.
It has increased.

>>87462700
Denial of what? The collective shit fit that happened over the Super Bowl Nip Slip?

That happened. That happened, and it hasn't been explained or downplayed in any way that remotely adds up when you consider the hard numbers. It hasn't been, because it can't be. And you're accusing me of denial - fucking kek.

>>87462778
Denial of the fact that people have no issues with sexual content, except of course when it's anime (even if it doesn't actually have any).

>That happened.
Nobody cares.

>>87462811
>>>Nobody cares.

>>That people cared is a well known matter of public record

>I'm the one in denial tho

Get a load of this guy.

>>87462867
Yes, you are in denial. Or running damage control.

>>87462885
Sure, if it's damage control to inform you that the numbers don't jive, and want an explanation for that.

>>87460195
i'm waiting for giant tits girl to show up along with giant ass girl, because this show is DEMANDING that it fucking happens.

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I wouldn't mind seeing some ecchi in cartoon. I find ecchi more funny than sexy, but I don't hate it.

The problem though is finding someone willing to make it. Cartoons with older demographics aren't really popular outside of comedies, and I doubt any networks would be willing to fund them.

Most american cartoon's styles are ugly as hell too.

>>87457968
But kids are cruel, Jack.

>>87462516
>So the people watching porn and rape scenes and using Tinder like a meat market are fine, but it's the "weebs" who are a problem for watching anime with at most softcore levels of ecchi.

Basically that. The other people usually get laid and get to choose their sexuality, while you weebs have to settle down.

>>87462537
>You have to explain the entire MPAA rating system, and why movies that want to be profitable DELIBERATELY avoid strong sexual content.


Adult movies have sexual content, if all you watch is stuff involving tons of CGI and fight scenes, forget about it kiddo

>>87461768
If /jp/ is to be trusted neetbux, otherwise known as welfare.