Okay- Seriously. Why the fuck do Wonder Woman's villains

>>87453594
Doctor Psycho is cool.

>>87454180
this

And Circe

Serious question: does Wonder Woman have an archnemesis? I mean, a recognizable kind of recurring villain, like the Joker to Batman or Lex Luthor to Superman?

>>87453594
She's a shitty derivative super hero and they just throw whatever at her because fuck it.

>>87454240
Ares? Meh.

>>87454240

Cheetah I think...

>>87454240
Cheetah

>>87454240
Hades?

>>87453594
>hating on blue snowman
I guess you just got shit taste then.

>>87454758
Cartoonfag go

>>87453594
cool design (though it needs work), cool powers, fucking gay way of using them (is that a wooden spoon?), poor name..
uh, why does wonder woman look like an alex toth reject?

>>87453594
I love how goofy and oytdated some of her villians are.
We seriously need a book just her having goofy adventures

>>87454240
Ares historically, but the Superfriends show went with Cheetah so she has been stuck with that. Ares also stopped being a villain in the Azzarello run

Personally, I think Ares, Dr Poison, Dr Psycho and Circe are all cool. Cheetah and Giganta could use an update. Hercules is a bit complex to include in her stories given the rapey backstory Egg Fu was fantastic in 62, but most writers don't want to touch him.

Egg Man Fu is amazing fuck you.

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>Why the fuck do Wonder Woman's villains suck so tremendously?

C'mon, she has got some neat ones. Like Inversion the Inside-Out man, who accidentally turned himself inside out, and wants to do the same to humanity!

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>>87454996
Dr Domino, who has a head like a domino or a just a domino theme going

>>87455045
Dr. Domino looks like he could a decent Doom Patrol villain with a retooled origin story

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>>87455045
Armageddon, the buddhist executioner

>>87454923
That is a pipe, I believe. You know, the kind you smoke out of.

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>>87454283
Derivative of what you stupid fucking faggot.
She's one of the oldest heroes//female heroes period you dumb cunt.

Who'd she derive from, herself?

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>>87455097
Multiple Man, The Nuclear Menace who could become anything, from a missile, a hurricane to even a glacier giant.

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>>87455148
Mouse Man.
Mouse.
Man.

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Peter Dinklage ain't good enough for you?

>>87455148
that actually looks kinda spooky

>>87454996
>>87455045
>>87455097
Wondy's always had interesting villains. It's just that they never take the time to flesh them out and stick with them. The ones that do get repeated are boring/shit. Or, I suppose, there's so much pressure for those few villains to make a huge impression that, of course, they fail.

The infamous rogue galleries of other heroes aren't entirely filled with top-tier villains, but there's enough variety (and the writers go back to each villain with enough consistency) to make things interesting.

It's always seemed bizarre that writers don't constantly mine Silver Age WW for new, stable villains.

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>>87455199
Paper-Man, the origami fighting champion who basically just wants to date Wonder Woman

>>87455286
Alright, now that is an A+ Doom Patrol villain right there.

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>>87455286
Panthea, the disgruntled Amazon who thinks Hipployta's eternal rule has stagnated their technological development

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>>87455330
In the category of should have been an Atom villain, Queen Atoma who rules an infinite empire within a single atom that wants to invade giant-space.

>>87455330
That has serious potential.

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>>87455364
Winner of the Miss Doctor Doom pagent, Dr Cyber.

>>87453594
Most of them were made just to be a fetish or a way of including a race.

Guy was always thinking with his dick. Hell, his wife treated him as if he was only that when you realize she divorced him and stayed with her lesbian gal pal. Dude was a semen tank and a literal cuck.

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>>87455411
This guy has got the razzle dazzle

>>87455148
He seriously needs to be brought back

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>>87455465

>>87455045
I love the idea of a criminal mastermind walking around with a giant domino head.

>>87455330
A Randian Amazon? There's a lot of potential in this concept

>>87455286
That's a very understandable and relatable motive.

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>>87455465
Or how bout Osira, another alien that landed in ancient Egypt (it sure is crowded back then), who technically got redeemed by the end of the issue but look at how stylish she is.

>>87453594
I still don't understand why she doesn't just have a crossover with Aquaman and have Queen Clea as the villain already...

>Cheetah
>Giganta
>Dr. Psycho
>Silver Swan
>Ares
>Circe
>Medusa

When are you people going to realize that maybe the reason you don't know any Wonder Woman villains, and you don't know much about her personality, and you can't think of any memorable stories, is because YOU HAVEN'T FUCKING READ ANY WONDER WOMAN?

Meanwhile most of you probably can't even name a Green Lantern villain other than Sinestro or Black Hand who wasn't created by Geoff Johns.

Wonder Woman, more than the other Justice League members, suffers from the medium. Her whole thing is loving compassion and how it can rehabilitate but the nature of comics means a 100% recidivism rate.

>Character is superhuman and have powers gifted by the Greek pantheon
>Make her nemesis a regular woman in a cheetah costume
Why?

>>87455657
>the tattooed man.

>>87454240
Men

>>87455444
Why even bother posting when you have no idea what you're talking about?

Most of Wonder Woman's history as we know it was created by Robert Kanigher.

>>87455657
Sonar, Evil Star, Star Sapphire, the Shark, the Weaponers of Qward, Effigy, Alexander Nero, Oblivion...

>>87455657
>Meanwhile most of you probably can't even name a Green Lantern villain other than Sinestro or Black Hand who wasn't created by Geoff Johns.

I know Major Force.

>>87455669

Please, make this statement more incorrect

>>87455688
That guy had issues, even more than Marston arguably.

>>87455657
Can you?

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>>87455633
Minister Blizzard, who was an alien minister, had that moustache, and a cold gun, yet no one saw his turn to evil coming.

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>>87453594

Most of her villains have never been used in a contemporary context, or give any kind of thematic parallel to Diana.

>>87455705
Not really a GL foe, only a Kyle enemy and even then they didn't cross paths very often.

>>87455731
Why do all the cold people except Killer Frost have such awful names?

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>>87455719
His obsession with bird people still haunts some to this day

>>87455675
I'll give you props for that.

>>87455692
Either you looked that up or you're probably not the kind of person I'm addressing. But respect if you're the latter.

>>87455724
Yes, because I've read a lot of Silver and Bronze Age Green Lantern. The point I'm making is that people who haven't read much classic GL probably don't know much of his rogues gallery, but you don't see them complaining about his rogues like they do Wondie's.

>>87455834
>Yes
Prove it, Scrub Chode Supreme.

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>>87455893
>Scrub Chode Supreme.
Aww shit, Anon's going to be needing one of these.

>>87455834
Oh, trust me, if I was looking them up I would have remembered Hector Hammond.

>The point I'm making is that people who haven't read much classic GL probably don't know much of his rogues gallery, but you don't see them complaining about his rogues like they do Wondie's.
Probably because Johns created a new rogues gallery for him, plus the revitalized Sinestro and Black Hand. Wonder Woman doesn't have that kind of new rogues gallery, and the work done with her existing foes isn't that good. Rucka tried to do this a bit but characters like Veronica Cale didn't really stick, now did they?

>>87455213
This needs to happen! Dinklage was meh in X-Men, he'd work way better as a main villain with more focus.

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>>87455774
I love Silver Age Wondie so much.

>>87455893
I mean, I could, but it wouldn't really prove anything because that other guy listed the major ones.

Others I can think of are the Shark, Faceless Hunter and Krona.

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>>87455979
>tfw anon is stalling so they can hastily look up Green Lantern villains

>>87455755
I thought Captain Cold was an alright name.

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>>87454925
>Egg Fu was fantastic in 62, but most writers don't want to touch him.
I can see why.

>>87456054
Chang Tzu was great though, 0% racial stereotype, 100% pure comic booky awesomeness.

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>>87456031
>tfw no mention of Star Sapphire

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Circe or Ares would be my pick for main villain. Cheetah just feels outdated and kind of banal for an arch-nemesis next to Joker & Lex.

Plus WW's lore is rooted in myth & magic so a god and a sorceress is perfect.

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>>87455731
And of course, the ever replaceable Egg Fu. Who was Egg Fu the fifth by his second appearance.

>>87456054
see that's why writers just insert foreign words instead of trying to write out the accent, mein freund

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>>87456120
>so solly!

>>87456114
Yeah, who cares about Cheetah? Batman has better animal people foes with Killer Croc and the Milo mutants. Cheetah doesn't compare to even Batman's C-lister villains, so she shouldn't be Wonder Woman's arch enemy. Just not good enough.

>>87453594

On paper Wonder Woman has some pretty good villians. Ares, Cheetah, Circe, Doctor Psycho and Giganta all have great potential but they just aren't used as well as they could be

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>>87456120
there was also evil Wonder Woman, but we don't talk about that

>>87456114

Joker is fucking banal for Batman though. I'm supposed to believe he can keep up with the Justice league threats and Ra's al Ghul armies of master ninjas but he cant handle some faggot clown?

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>>87456221
before I forget, The Crimson Centipede, who was Mars' answer to Wonder Woman. The ultimate expression of war

>>87456314
Clean up after your own shit, J'onn.

>>87454303
>>87454730
Rucka has made Cheetah her Two-Face which honestly suits her better. The anwser is no, she doesn't really have that personal and ideological opponent on the same level as Joker and Lex

>>87456212
I never got why DC pushed her so much? There are so many better rogues you could adapt for a WW film.

You have the entire Greek Pantheon ffs. Just have her fight gods and monsters from different religions and stuff.

I don't think I've seen enough of this in WW comics in the last 75 years, DC should really push the Greek Mythology aspect.

>>87454240
Joker sucks though

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>>87456306
He's still more interesting to implement into a story than Cheetah. He might not be powerful but nor is Lex without his battlesuit. Love him or loathe him the Joker's an icon, he must be doing something right. Cheetah is just like....why her?

>>87455411
dunno about the others but Dr. Cyber is legit great

>>87453594
I think the problem with Wonder Woman's villains is related to how every run feels the need to re-tell her origin story and break things back down to status-quo and rehash stuff we've already seen, like destroying Themiscyra again.
I mean, outside of her main stable Ares, Circe, Cheetah, Giganta etc. we don't see a lot of her other villains. Nobody's dragging out her old Silver Age villains and giving them a serious rework, nobodies making new villains that the next writer will want to use. And even with the villains that do get used over and over, nobody can agree on what theme ties them together. I mean, Ares is a gimme, but what about the others? What do a Giant Woman, a Psychic Midget, a Furry and an Ancient Sorceress all have in common, other than wanting to kill an Amazon? With characters like Batman and Superman it's pretty easy to tie all their villains together, both through geography All you really need to do to be a Bats/Superman villain is be evil in their home cities but Wonder Woman is more international in scope. Someone needs to make a unifying theme to her villains, then make it stick.
Also, someone needs to drag out an old villain or make a new villain that can be used more than once. I mean, Firstborn was cool but kinda by design he can't be re-used. He was an end-game villain, bringing him back would blow it.

>>87456384
Personally I think Wondy's villains should be tied to divine/mythical/supernatural sources, like how a lot of Batman's foes are tied to crime, and Superman's foes are sci-fi, Wondy's villains should be fantasy based. Personally I'm in favor of Slavic mythology since that's dark as hell in a non rape way so as to not trigger pussies.

>>87455633
GIANT EMERALD VAGINA.

>>87456577
>All you really need to do to be a Bats/Superman villain is be evil in their home cities
It goes a little deeper than that. Batman villains typically suffer from deep seated psychological issues. Superman villains are typically aliens, or people who feel isolated from the rest of humanity. They serve as dark mirrors to the heroes. Frankly I think a good villain for Wondy would be someone who also thinks they are on a divine mission to right wrongs, only they go about it as brutally as possible.

>>87455097
>Armageddon, the Buddhist Executioner
See, that could be fucking great with a good writer.

>>87456578
This, they need to capitalise on Mythology and Magic stuff. It seems to work when they nail down a genre for the comic.

Cyborg's rebirth is actually decent in part because they're throwing every tech-based DC villain at him from the Brain to Cyborg Superman.

>>87456655
yeah, I was running out of characters or I would've touched on that. Most good Rogues Galleries have some interconnecting themes. For other examples, Flashes Rogues are mostly career criminals with colourful gimmicks, who approach crime professionally. There's a lot of different ways you can take that, from Flash being a "working man hero" to the Flash having almost a professional relationship with most of his Rogues.

>>87455364
Then she returned in the 90's trying to get impregnated with Superman's sperm right?

>>87453594
Because wonderwoman sucks and is only continued to be a thing because the sheer negative reaction of dumping her even though she's deadweight by feminist fuckheads would be cataclysmic (even though these people can't remember a thing about the stupid bitch)?

>>87456752
The Flash Rogues also mostly fit the Science! theme (Heat, Cold, Weather, Inertia). Wondy's rogues aren't all mythological, but I do like the idea of them as well-intentioned but brutal, or primarily would-be rulers.

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>>87456767
You may be thinking of someone else.

>>87456735
>from the Brain to Cyborg Superman.
Those were only cameos from the main villain's monitors

>>87456926
I remember somebody pointing out that a lot of Diana's rogues were Doctors or Scientists who used their abilities to cause harm, while Diana is a warrior who tries to help everyone she can.
Not a 100% one, and the original post was much more detailed, but it's an idea.

>>87456752
Not necessarily. For example, you'd think Spider-Man faces only animal-themed bastards, but then you've got guys like Electro and Kingpin and Mysterio and the Goblins and stuff. So a consistent theme isn't the be-all-end-all, you know?

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>>87456965
Doesn't mean they're off the cards. If DC plan to push Cyborg for the next few years they're gonna probably be used at some point if his ongoing continues. They're desperate to give him more rogues and make him mainstream.

>>87457026
It isn't, but it does certainly help. Part of it is also that Wonder Woman has less consistent runs than a lot of big characters, so her villains tend to shift roles depending on who's writing.
Villains like Electro, Kingpin, the Goblins have fairly consistent portrayals, because they've had good, long standing runs in the past that fleshed them out and gave other writers a good template for they behave like.
Well, maybe not Electro.

>>87454925
>Hercules is a bit complex to include in her stories given the rapey backstory

Not to mention I think a lot of people today would have a hard time buying anyone named Hercules as a villain.

>>87457034
His current ongoing has good ideas but suffers from the writer's inexperience causing hammy dialogue and constant unnecessary exposition.
Still hoping it'll get better

>>87455286
Just open the fucking mailbox

I remember reading a story about Wonder Woman being fucked with by a little inter-dimensional fairy or something
anyone know what I'm talking about?
it was like her Bat-Mite or Mister Mxyzptik

>>87456221
is there more?

>>87455657
>most of you probably can't even name a Green Lantern villain other than Sinestro or Black Hand

The Guardians of the Universe.

>>87455657
Spider Guild
King Shark
Cyborg Superman
The Colour Yellow
Guy Gardner

>>87457409
>Cyborg Superman
HEY! Don't steal from Superman's rogue gallery, Lanterns! Stop that shit!

>>87457467
Hey, Cyborg Superman started it. Motherfucker destroyed Coast City.
Also at the time they thought he was real Superman.

>>87457467
Wonder Woman should steal from Batman's rogues

Poison Ivy and Clayface are obvious ones

>>87457180
The general plot is better than previous runs but I agree the dialogue is the worst aspect of it right now. Needs better editing maybe.

I'm still sticking around for the Darkseid and Cyborgirl stuff though, looks interesting enough.

>>87455834
I mean, outside of the trinity, I think the only hero with a memorable rogue gallery is Flash, atleast to the average person who isn't that into comics, and even then, it's usually just...

>Captain Cold

>Yellow Flash.

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>>87457553
And sometimes
>Gorilla

>>87454240
Nothing about Wondy is recognizable except the costume.

>>87457511
She doesn't deserve iconic villains like those two. She can have Colonel Blimp and Condiment King.

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Also wouldn't WW Rebirth be an apt time to reintroduce Captain Marvel into the DCU, I'm beginning to think they fridged him.

He's all about myth and magic. Shazam family needs to make a comeback.

>>87457586
Truly Grodd's most diabolical plan yet!

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>>87457641
If there's one thing to like about ASBats it's that they're throwing every villain into the comic they can. Rebirth needs more nods and cameos like that, Condiment King in WW is welcome for me.

>>87457652
Have Billy and Diana ever interacted? It seems so obvious now but I can't think of any times that wasn't EVERY hero getting called in for some big threat.

Still no mention of Silver Swan yet? I haven't read much WW but Silver Swan was the villain in an issue I did. I liked her.

>>87455657

Goldface
And Dr. Polaris iirc

I really like Cheetah and Giganta, and the latter could use more exposure. Also she looked WAY better in the collared jumpsuit than whatever the hell she's sporting now

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>>87457784
They definitely have at some point prior to and after flashpoint. They get their powers from the Greek and Roman pantheons so there has been conflict between them in the past too.

>>87456384
>I never got why DC pushed her so much?
It is because she was WW's rival in Super Friends, so she is the most well known today.

And she was the rival in Super Friends because they needed someone to sit in a table with Lex Luthor.

>>87457952
Will they ever be able to move past Superfriends?

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>>87457952
It sucks but you're right, no other WW has really had a hugely memorable screen adaptation yet. They've tried stuff in JLU and the animated WW movie but nothing's really stuck...

>>87458035
Call me when normal people think Aquaman is cool.

>>87458042
*WW villain

>>87456384
>I don't think I've seen enough of this in WW comics in the last 75 years, DC should really push the Greek Mythology aspect.
This post basically sums up /co/ where you can tell no one reads Wonder Woman comics.

>>87458138
I know they've tackled mythology but they could go a lot deeper into it than they have, also there's been a lack of it from the runs I've read.

Particularly the 90's & early 2000's were she was always dealing with woman's issues and working at burger restaurants.

>>87458200
She could be battling Norse & Hindu gods whilst holding back eldritch horrors on a monthly basis. I'd love more runs like that.

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>>87458042
JLU didn't make much of an effort with WW's world in general.

Sure, Hades was alright, but Ares, arguably her biggest villain, was the star of possibly the worst JLU ep and little more than an ineffective instigator, Cheetah was Catwoman lite and didn't even have any lines post the Injustice Gang ep and Circe was the villain of a literal joke episode.

Timm and Co did some great work, but they sure as fuck had no clue what to do with Diana and Friends.

>>87458262
WW and Flash had barely any solo episodes which sucked. Flash and Substance was good but they never delved into Wally's character much. Hawkgirl had more stuff than they did I swear.

>>87458200
Going by wikipedia I can see that around 2000 and progressing up to 2003, there was an arc which saw the Greek and Roman parthenons fused, which set-up a later story for Simonson's run in 2003 where Diana (the god, not Wonder Woman) went rogue and allied with a fictional cthonic entity to overthrow all the others, and that in-between these stories, Cronus regained power and attacked the Greek, Hindu, and Christian powers. I guess these stories must have been average at best, since I never see anyone on /co/ bring them up.

>>87456655

Wonder Woman's villains used to all be tied to war and cross-dressing shit. Both things you couldn't do in comics by the 50's.

>>87457719
>they're throwing every villain into the comic they can
It's what I really, really enjoyed about Batman Eternal. Batman & Robin Eternal was still good but it just wasn't the same.

>>87458521
>and cross-dressing shit.
Why can't we do this anymore?

>>87454240
cheetah
>>87454925
i think Rucka is undoing everything Azzarello, so Ares is definitely a villain once more

>>87458262
>Circe was the villain of a literal joke episode.
Did she ever have a thing for Luthor in the comics? She was crushing on him pretty hard in the show.

>>87458659
That was Morgan Lefey, not Circe

Wonder Woman can't have an ideological arch nemesis cause... whats her ideology?

>>87457409
>King Shark

Many people confuse the two but you mean The Shark. King Shark is the one tied to Aquaman/Superboy/Suicide Squad.

>>87458699

World domination.

>>87458699
Peace, Love and Remove All Necks

>>87458699
I interprete her mission is progress through peace, order, and understanding. Might be cool to have someone say fuck that, lets rewind the clock to every person for themself.

Wondy's villains aren't the best, but they can be pretty good in the hands of a good writer. They also have a ton of potential. I'm still waiting for a writer to do for her villains what Geoff Johns did for Green Lantern's, taking the best from each run and revitalizing them in a way that totally makes the whole mythos fresh. Although in order to do that, you'd need to change WW's character a bit as well and give her some proper direction.

I mean, on paper, WW's rogues gallery is pretty cool. You have:

>Dr. Psycho, a creepy misogynistic sadist with the power to project whatever mental imagery he wants into your mind
>Ares, Greek god of war
>the Cheetah, woman cursed by godly powers to become a were-cheetah
>Veronica Cale, basically Wondy's Lex Luthor
>The Circle, Amazons who, once sworn to protect Queen Hippolyta, grew envious at her ability to have a child and sought to kill Diana instead
>Doctor Poison, creepy sociopathic doctor who specializes in poisons and toxins
>Circe, Greek goddess

She also needs new villains but what she hasn't isn't exactly bad either. It's not Hulk-tier.

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>>87458751
So...

>>87458615
>Ares is definitely a villain once more
Christ why? He's a terrible, one more villain. Boring as fuck.

Then again so it Veronica Cale and Rucka brought her back. Cale is so painfully uninteresting even on a visual scale along, I legitimately didn't even know it was her until they spelled it out.

>>87458751
>I interprete her mission is progress through peace, order, and understanding.
This.

Her's should be a mission of non-violence and non-violent resolution to conflict, only physically fighting when ABSOLUTELY necessary and defending herself or others.

Make that the defining aspect to WW and KEEP it that way through all forms of media and stick to it in the comics forever. And then you can start to build up her rogues gallery as a bunch of villains opposed to such.

>>87458699
She started off as a diplomat on a mission of nonviolent conflict resolution but got warped over the years to become a generic over emotional warrior

>>87458521
Yeah and Supes used to fight corrupt businessmen. Times change though and you have to either adapt old villains like Lex and Joker were, or create new ones.

>>87458773
Fuck this would be perfect. I'd love to see an over the top masculine parody. It'd be perfect for Diana.

>>87458787

>but got warped over the years to become a generic over emotional warrior

Bent on overthrowing governments. Mostly by trying to convince her male friends and lovers to join her in the fight.

>>87455657
>Furrry
>Fetish shit
>Rape Midget
>Bitch with wings
>Public Domains
Wow what a great set of antagonists

>>87458806
The problem is that it's way to easy to turn that into a "masculinity is evil" strawman. Well done it could be great though.

>>87458782
>only physically fighting when ABSOLUTELY necessary and defending herself or others.
Yeah no, that's a terrible idea. Capeshit needs action scenes, sorry. No one is going to pay for a Wondy series where she talks the majority of her villains down.

>>87458773
Fuck, that'd be fucking perfect.

Captain America, Superman, maybe even Iron Man...why the fuck is Senator Armstrong such a perfect villain for every superhero?

>>87458782
>Her's should be a mission of non-violence and non-violent resolution to conflict, only physically fighting when ABSOLUTELY necessary and defending herself or others.

So basically like every other super hero?

>>87458822
WW: Earth One did exactly that and sold rather well iirc

>>87458820
Well when you put it like that, no hero has a good villain circle
>Juggalo
>Guy who flips coins
>Question asking fag
>Scalie
>Fat-ass Bird Fetishist
>Straw-Man
>Roid-Rager
>Plant Whore

>>87458838
No. Play up the pacifism. She should make a legitimate effort and even find multiple successes in stopping crime and evil-doers through negotiation, emphasizing with them, pacifying them, or some other means.

Like that one issue in Gail Simone's run, where she stops Captain Nazi but showing him his abusive childhood through the Lasso of Truth and comforting him in a moment of vulnerability.

>>87458821
I mean I sure as fuck wouldn't trust Rucka to write it, but with the right writer someone like Armstrong would literally be the perfect villain.
>Instead of preaching unity and equality like Diana he preaches the strength of the individual and exceptionalism
>Respects and admires Diana as a beacon of strength and an example of an exceptional indivudal who through her own skill raised herself above the rest
>Seeks to test his principles in the real world like Diana, and like Diana isn't afraid to get his hands dirty

>>87458845
True but
1. Morrison isn't your average writer
2. It wasn't an ongoing
3. It was an Elseworld
People have different expectations for a "main" book.

>>87458828
Because he's a hard-counter for pretty much any idealist hero, and pretty much every hero is an idealist.

Xena the Warrior Princess + Kratos the God of War is the default Wonder Woman personality now.

It just is. They try to show that Wonder Woman's an idealistic goddess like Superman and a pragmatic warrior like Batman, but in more extreme ways than both. In Superman's case she's more disconnected from humanity than him and in Batman's case she's more lethal than him. That's how DC try to justify her place in the TRINITY.

>>87458888
Doesn't change that it's a good idea, period.

>People have different expectations for a "main" book.
If only because DC has been pushing the "angry Amazonian warrior" angle for the past 20 years or so, and making her kill more and more, arguably missing the point of the whole character.

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>>87458955
>Doesn't change that it's a good idea, period.

>>87458888
There are a lot of issues of cape books where the fight scene is either tacked on or bookended while the rest of the issue is entirely drama. Hell, the final issue of Kevin Smith's Daredevil run is just Daredevil and Spider-Man talking about their feelings with no action at all. WW: Earth One not featuring any fights is a novelty at best and a gimmick at worst.

>>87458936

All of this for her to act as a foil to them.

For Superman to teach her to connect better with humanity so that she won't go "We're above them, Kal. Why should we bow down?", and for Batman to teach her that they shouldn't cross the line so that she won't go all "We're warriors, Bruce. That's what we do".

>>87458774
>Christ why? He's a terrible, one more villain. Boring as fuck.
I agree; I was WAY more interested in Wonder Woman: God of War than anything else, and frankly Rucka could have actually done the idea service.
i wish they had put someone competent on the book DIRECTLY after Azarello, then we could have had some on going threads, instead of Rucka coming in and wiping the slate clean again.

>>87458936
I don't have to like it.

They shouldn't be pushing that at all.

She should preach non-violent resolution to conflict and try to defeat her enemies through love and compassion, trying to redeem them. She should be even more adverse to violence than even Kal-El.

I kinda like the idea of WW being even more disconnected from humanity than Kal, but eh. Even if she's above them, she should be reaching out to connect with them just as often.

>>87458992
>Hell, the final issue of Kevin Smith's Daredevil run is just Daredevil and Spider-Man talking about their feelings with no action at all.
Final issues are exactly that anon, an ending. People are fine with the finale being character drama and tying up loose ends. But the majority of a cape hero run being talking about feelings? No, sales would plummet and you'd be off the book faster than you can think. You need to keep your audience in mind.

>>87459017

The Finches ruined the whole thing there. Azzarello also pretty much turned the amazons into villains.

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>>87458755
>but they can be pretty good in the hands of a good writer.

I love how you people say this every time WW's mediocre-at-best reputation get brought up.
>"This thing can be good if it were good."

>>87459041
>The Finches ruined the whole thing there. Azzarello also pretty much turned the amazons into villains.
I didn't see them as villains; they were doing/had done some evil things, but I dont think they were evil, just afraid.
and even that could have been developed interestingly, Azzarello left alot of threads that could have been REALLY awesome had a competent writer taken over after him.

>>87459052
Hell, I'd like Rucka to write Strife again.
Or more of Diana's half-siblings, their was some potential there.

>>87453594
no anon
real question is, why does Iron Man have shitty villains?

and moreover, has he even fought them in the last 20 years? i mean, besides fighting himself, his friends, other heroes.

i don't think any person semi into comics could name 1 fucking IM villain. i only can because of that fucking cartoon from the 90s

>>87459039

>I kinda like the idea of WW being even more disconnected from humanity than Kal, but eh. Even if she's above them, she should be reaching out to connect with them just as often.

Why? For her to gravitate towards Superman because he's her only equal and for her to look mortals down because they're so weak morally and physically? For Superman to teach her how to better understand, respect and treat mortals? For Superman and Batman to teach her to not try to turn the world into her little utopia?

Because that's what DC do when they try to make her a fish-out-of-the-world goddess disconnected from humanity who sees as her life mission the need to change the world. It always leads to her acting as a superior cunt who needs to be talked down by others.

>>87459050
Everything in comics has potential, anon. And to her name, WW does have a few good runs.

>>87459052

>I didn't see them as villains; they were doing/had done some evil things, but I dont think they were evil

On the scale of evil in comic book land they were a 8. They were perfect characters to be turned completely evil for drama and that was what the Finches did. If not them, any other writer would have done it.

Because that's a big in Azzarello left. His amazons were such cunts that it was almost irresistible to not turn into villains.

>>87459081
I really want the Mandarin to get a bit of a rework so people don't say he's offensive and then get a big push, I always thought he was a cool villain.

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>>87453594
>Why the fuck do Wonder Woman's villains suck so tremendously?

Because Wonder Woman sucks tremendously.

>>87459089
She IS a fish out of water though. Think about it, they don't even have money on Themyscaria. She's a freaking princess for Christ's sake. I do think that her process of bonding with humanity should come through her own supporting cast first though, with Clark and Bruce being good friends, not her only friends.

>>87459067
yeah. I was really hoping Rucka would have just picked back up from where Azz left off. I dropped the book after issue 2 because it was dragging alot, hopefully it will read better in trades.

The half siblings angle was really interesting, i hope he will at least keep that.
He's undone the Zeus=dad part, yeah?

>>87459164
Yeah, he's wiped the slate clean.
As other anons have pointed out, he pretty much had to after the shit the Finches did.

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DC lets you create a Wonder Woman villain. What do you do?

>>87459081
Tony's biggest villain is himself; i think thats why he's popular at this point.
>>87459119
>On the scale of evil in comic book land they were a 8. They were perfect characters to be turned completely evil for drama and that was what the Finches did. If not them, any other writer would have done it.
I dont actually know what the finches did with them. an 8 is pretty evil, but the "cunty but not outright evil" angle was really interesting.

Same with Strife actually.

>>87459157

But that's what DC when they do the fish out of the water story.

See, this is why i kinda like what DCEU is doing. Diana should be the long lived immortal of the the Trinity who lived an entire life and have seen it all.

This way she can actually be the wise one of the group instead of constantly being talked down by both Superman and Batman constantly.

In the DCEU Wonder Woman is wise, cynical and wary, but at least she brings something to the table. You also can keep all the WWII shenanigans and villains in her background and have the generational romance with the Trevor family tree.

I'm fucking tired of the naive Diana who's always one step away from going all Injustice.

>>87459203
>I'm fucking tired of the naive Diana who's always one step away from going all Injustice.
agreed.
Battle-worn immortal veteran nuturing Bruce, Clark and the team is more appealing to me. Being the "team mom" or leader in addition to her warrior role really lets Diana shine.
as opposed to be subordinate to Clark and Bruce, where she ends up being redundant and regulated to the background.

I wish there was another woman on the JL though, I know Mera will be around, but it'd be awesome had they slid in Zatanna or someone.

>>87459191

>I dont actually know what the finches did with them. an 8 is pretty evil, but the "cunty but not outright evil" angle was really interesting.

They fucked and killed innocent sailors for their babies, took male babies from their amazon mothers, sold male babies for weapons and armors (it was implied that before they just outright murdered them) and constantly talked about killing men. This culture was kept in place by a queen that maintained a tryst with a male god on the side making her an enormous hypocritical cunt.

That's an 8 on the evil scale. Not outright evil, but pretty evil.
Any writer would see that shit and say "Hmm, man. These amazons are huge assholes! They're perfect as antagonists for my Wonder Woman's story. This is going to be great. I'm going to ramp this shit up and make them really nasty"

And that's what the Finches did.

>>87454240
Changes depending on the era and writer at the reigns.

Sometimes it's Ares. Sometimes Circe. Or Cheetah, or I Ching's estranged Daughter, Gloop, Veronica Cale. It changes a lot.

>>87459238
>I wish there was another woman on the JL though, I know Mera will be around, but it'd be awesome had they slid in Zatanna or someone.
My nigga.

My ideal JL team is the Big Seven + Zatanna.

Although working in Mera would be great as well. I've only recently gotten into Aquaman and I think Mera is fucking great.

>>87459177
Shit man. Give her undead titans to battle. Give her the illegitimate children of gods to duke it out with. Let her suffer nightmare challenges to her divinity as fallen gods from every pantheon come to carve it out of her for their own. Let he be the one force between Earth and a myriad of minor divine threats. Battle cults, desecrate temples, duke it with Zeus over slights, protect mortals from hungry old spirits who want sacrifice and the Bad Old Days back, send a few demons to hell, it wouldn't be goddamn hard.

>>87459238

Right? Take for example the Alex Ross stories.

Superman: Peace on Earth had Superman learning shit on his own through his struggle.
Batman: War on Crime had Batman having a revelation by facing the cyclical nature of crime.
Wonder Woman: Spirit of Truth had Wonder Woman learning from Superman how to better connect with humans and how humans would rather be led by example than force.

We don't need this shit, but whenever they go with the naive goddess who wants teach lessons to humans she can't relate and change a world she hardly understand we end with this type of shit. Wonder Woman having to sit quietly while Superman or Batman tell her how wrong she is and what's what.

That shit kills Diana. She comes off as an smug and dumb cunt who tends to get over-emotional and violent. I hate this type of characterization.

>>87457215
Would like to hear about this.

WW having her own Mxy sounds great as fuck.

>>87459340

Wonder Woman should have Captain Marvel as a her main friend instead of Superman. Superman is mostly there for shipping purpose.

Now Captain Marvel actually fit her world as a glove.

You've Wonder Woman blessed by the female goddess with awesome gifts so that she can work as their champion. That is, if you've her classic origin in place. And then you've Captain Marvel, who through the wizard Shazam have been blessed by the male gods and demigods with awesome gifts so that he can work as their champion.

Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel should serve as counter-parts and dynamic duos, and the best about it is that there is no shipping faggotry. She function as the wise mom while Billy function as the naive rookie.

There are tons of shit you can explore with this duo.

>>87459421
That'd work real well. Billy could be the one bridge to humanity she's lacked so much of her life, while keeping it all in the realm of the magic and divine, to contrast to the super themes of Superman, and Batman being the ultramortal.

She feels like a drugged out wacko cosplayer with super powers instead of a literal god trying to bridge worlds.

>>87455045
Too many doctors! Fucking Christ!

>>87459306
>My nigga.
/co/ is love; /co/ is life.
I really like Zatanna, I've been wanting her to get a solo or another mini for years.
I also wanna play her in the DCEU
Mera is fantastic, and really powerful, so she's just as great. But her lack of appearance in the trailer and promo stuff, and the fact that Superman is appearing when he's gotta come back from the dead; leads me to believe she wont have much screentime.
>>87459464
>>87459421
>>87459340
I'd love all of this, but most WW stories are origins or origin retellings.
What she really needs are solid elseworlds; just some one-and-dones that can be pulled from later on.
as it stands shes really got almost nothing, but her Sliver Age stuff, and thats generally unexplored and too wacky for most.
>>87459374
yeah thats exactly what I'm saying. What kind of Goddess is naive? She shouldn't be naive in the slightest.
Bruce of ALL people should never be educating Diana; fuck.

>>87457215
>>87459411
does anyone remember this? sounds fun

>>87453594
They have to be able to beaten by a woman.

>>87454240
Patriarchy.

>>87455045
Fuck, this guy sounds cool as fuck. Would love to see this guy get revived for the current day, but for Doom Patrol or something, like the other anon said.

>>87455330
>>87455364
These guys sound fucking great.

>>87455411
Doctor Cyber should really be put to better use. She has a lot of potential.

God, I love a lot of these old Silver-Age villains. One of these days, I'm going to really get into the old Silver-Age Batman/Superman/WW/whatever comics and just binge on those.

>>87459421
Can we just make WW Billy's adoptive mother?

>>87459619
>I also wanna play her in the DCEU
Waaaat? A grrrl? On my /co/?

Also my choice for a live-action Zee is Zooey Deschanel. She really reminds me of her and I think she could really pull it off.

>Mera is fantastic, and really powerful, so she's just as great. But her lack of appearance in the trailer and promo stuff, and the fact that Superman is appearing when he's gotta come back from the dead; leads me to believe she wont have much screentime.
I'm okay with that. Really, I really am. The less time she has in a Snyder flick, the better. Can't wait to see her in Wan's Aquaman movie, though.

>>87459728
>Waaaat? A grrrl? On my /co/?
we've always been here, although probably less so recently/

>deschanel
she looks like Z, but Deschanel's style of acting doesn't really fit Zatanna, nor have any of the characters Deschanel has played thus far. ...Which doesn't mean she can't do it.
Still; everyone in the movie JL should have a mighty sort of aura or at least be tall and she's short. Alexandra Daddario would be a better choice just off the top of my head.

They could easily make her brown though, that way the JL can have 2 brown people; or 3 if Arthur counts

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>>87459728
>Doctor Cyber should really be put to better use. She has a lot of potential.
I don't see this awesome potential. She's just a female Doctor Doom, she should be a member of The Extremists, not a Wonder Woman villain. Explain to me what makes Cyber so great compared to the hundreds of other Evil Scientists because I just don't get it.

>>87455120
Superman of course

>>87459815
Eva Green is my Zatanna

>>87459815
>we've always been here, although probably less so recently/
You feel that way? Is it because of all the misogyny?

...email?

>but Deschanel's style of acting doesn't really fit Zatanna, nor have any of the characters Deschanel has played thus far
Idk about that. A lot of stories with Zatanna have her as this sort of normal, down to Earth person who happens to be a powerful Homo Magi and capable of doing basically anything as long as she says it backwards. She's a contrast to most of the rest of the magic corner of the DCU, in that she's bright and pretty friendly, maybe with a bit of cleverness to her in the way that she speaks. She's also a performer as a stage magician, something that Deschanel can relate to, as a musician and someone who performs in front of crowds herself.

>>87459841
>She's just a female Doctor Doom
Exactly.

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>>87459893
>Exactly.
Wonder Woman would have no conflict with female Doctor Doom. They'd both agree that the world needs fascism.

>>87459619

>I also wanna play her in the DCEU

Are you actually an actress or just daydreaming about it?

>>87453594
Villains of every female superhero suck.
Yes, even Mayday's.

>>87456735
Cyborg vs Blue Snowman would be pretty cool; and since she was first written her powers have become a bit OP. Telepathic Control of Robots at even real world tech level is scary.

>>87459177
A troll king that has trolltype armies and minions from every mythology and even fairy tales.

>>87460042
In that case make her archnemesis an anarchist. And really sexist too.

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>>87460581
Kind of want

>>87459841
I'll be honest, I consider Lu Shan a better villain from that run because she's the biological daughter of I Ching, who is about as close to a father as Diana's ever had.

>>87456120

Did they EVER explain just WHAT THE FUCK he actually WAS?

>>87456221

Negative Wonder Woman...?

>>87456365

What about Circe? She used to hate the fuck out of her, didn't she?

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>>87456365
Not that it stopped Rucka from trying.

>>87460960
He should've tried harder.
>generic boring evil CEO that is supposed to be WW's Lex but with none of Lex' charisma and ruthlessness

>>87456655
Is nobody else gonna say it? Okay.

Wondy's villains should be about feminism. That's probably not what most of /co/ wants to hear, but Wonder Woman's idea is a woman in a man's world who uses feminine ideals to help people. Her villains should reflect that. The only memorable villains she has already do: Ares is essentially an avatar of negative masculinity, while Circe is a man-hating feminazi. They're both belligerent extremes Diana must fight against. Retooling or adjusting her other villains to reflect some aspect of male or female opposition to the ideal of peace and love she propagates would be pretty good way forward for her.

The cool thing about Diana in comparison to other feminist characters is that she has a ton of female villains. So her message isn't just "HURR DURR ebul men patriarchy" but she gives plenty of opportunity of women to be shits as well. Her story doesn't trap women in a box labelled "good and right" (like Marvel currently does) because there's plenty of them to go around so they can be anything they need to be. Wonder Woman's mythos is probably a more nuanced feminist setting than anything devised in the past ten or twenty years in cape comics, and it's damn shame DC isn't capitalizing on it.

This has been an edifying thread.
>>87461294
>Veronica Cale retooled as a believer in trickle-down equality who fucks over the women below her to advance herself
Yeah, okay.

>>87455286
Didn't he show up in the Superman od China comic recently?

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>>87461294

I don't know what you are smoking but I want some.

Retool other villains to fit her rogue roster

Poison Ivy would be pretty cool. Especially if it was the Poison Ivy who had crazy bio-magic powers and was a living plant hybrid rather than street level Poison Ivy.

>>87455692
>Forgetting Goldface and Dr. Polaris
>The two best villains in Wolfman's run
Unforgivable desu

>>87456031
When was faceless hunter in Silver and Bronze Age Green Lantern? I don't recall ever seeing him.

>>87455330
Wasn't she the one who made a rage virus or something in the Justice League animated series?

>>87457157
Honestly I think Herc as a weird uncle works better, too. Like if you want compelxity with the Amazons he'd be a good source for that instead of having them OUTRIGHT lie to her.

"Oh you invoke Hera? Diana-stop stabbing me-Diana let me TELL YOU about Hera."

>>87458200
My dude they have been doing the Greek thing for the past DECADE.

Like we have had ENOUGH of the Greek thing I'd like her fighting aliens and weird mystics in pyramid spaceships again for a while.

>>87458755
A lot of her old villains are potentially amazing, too.

My favorite's Osiria, a egyptian themed svengali who hates free will had has a pryamid spaceship.

>>87459081
Iron Man: Armored Adventures treated Tony's villains real well.

>>87456939
>Diana's face in the last panel
>"If this bitch don't back the fuck up..."

>>87459127
I mean in the current climate that's gonna be nearly impossible, both because Marvel just isn't using or pushing its supervillains unless they're redeemed superheroes and because he's a chinese guy who fights a white guy.

>>87459157
That is literally what Etta Candy should be for, her Jimmy Olsen in pumps and a push up bra.

>>87459841
She's a crazy cyborg who wants to peel off Diana's perfect face and wear it.

Not every villain needs to be a perfect 1:1 to a hero's powerset. Look at Spider-Man.

>>87459127
I have no idea why they don't just import the Ben Kingsley version into the comics as a new Mandarin. That take was fantastic and a competent writer could easily make him compelling.

>>87461294
No I'm fine with that if its actual feminism and looking at the movement as a whole. I just dunno if you're gonna GET that in modern comics and I myself just try to avoid getting that political in my worldbuilding.

But yeah there's a reason so many of Diana's villains are women and they won't succeed until comics get over their fear of female villains having teeth.

>>87463385
Kingsley Mandarin'd be a cool sidekick to the actual Mandarin, but Khan's fine man. He's the evil techno-wizard in the tower to Tony's knight in shining armor. They just gotta let Tony be Tony again.

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>>87459841
Doctor Doom comparison is not all that apt. There is truth to it, but she's more than that.
She's essentially a crime lord/early James Bond villain running illegal operations on global scale.

Tweak it to modern times and it'd be interesting to see WW going after what is pretty much Craig-era SPECTRE.

>>87455364
I'd split that atom if you know what I mean

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>>87456314
>>87456356

Crimson Centipede was amazing by the way.

>>87458615
Fuck Greg Cucka

>>87460918
Pretty much all of her villains hated her, but it all felt really shallow to me. It was always shit like
>You're prettier than I am REEEEEEEEE

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>>87458659
>>87458694
I feel like you're both thinking of tala

>>87460960
>>87461170
Not to mention her design is so fucking BORING. At least Lex is bald, and usually has green eyes. Cale is just so fucking plain.

>>87461364
Veronica Cale as self-made Dallas Woman who's accordingly hiding her past while luxuriating in her Highland Park mansion has so much potential.

>>87464874
Not really. Cale is a poor woman's Lex. She should honestly just be dropped.

>>87463230
This. Let's go back to the supervillains and the weird crazy sci-fi shit.

>>87464854
>>87464854
Barry is a happy go lucky nerd who's always eager to make people happy. No wonder he's a better lover than that selfish asshole Lex

>>87466409
Uh...

In this show it's Wally, man.

>>87455199
>Police officers just firing into the sewer trying to hit jewel stealing mice.
I love this.

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>>87467496
How is he a villain again?

>>87456054
Is this even racist though?

He's a giant egg. That's not something I've ever heard associated with Chinese people.

I'm confused.
Is the general stereotype that Asians can't spell L or R?

>>87467564
reply to >>87456054 of course

>>87467564
It's that in their language they're interchangeable, so they confuse the two when speaking English. It's more of a Japanese thing than any other culture, but arr rook same, so arr speak same.

>>87463432
>filename: George Soros r63

>>87455465
>I am a human fireworks!

>>87455045
>Head of a domino
>Pulls on mens' ties until they give him weapons of biological warfare
>When that fails launches a nuke with Wonder Woman on it
Jesus fucking christ is there more of this guy?

>>87471710

Batman wishes his mom was this cool.

>>87471710
Kaniger wrote the best Hippolyta.

>>87466535
American police: when in doubt, shoot gun.

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>>87471792

>>87471710
>Amazon space battle
>Settle things in a bizzare space hand-to-hand duel
>Trading blows with that massive robotic colossus
Was Hyppolita always this cool?

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>>87467496
>Love-making doesn't become you
Fucking cold.

Those last two panels are pretty odd, though. I thought he was just a generic mind control villain. Was she a psychic all along?

>>87471792
Generally speaking I think he'd prefer she be less cold.

>>87464870
>>87464915

She has a terrible motivation. It's like she woke up one day and decided to start hating Wonder Woman.

>>87455286
>>87455465
>Paper-Man
>Human Fireworks

Wonder Woman vs. the Freedom Fighters of China when?

>>87471983
Originally he was a psychic and a medium.

>>87472307
Do you have the other two Silver Swans' origins?

>>87463281
This. That's probably one of the best examples ever of how to revamp a rogue gallery.

>>87457553
More people know Batman's rogues over the flash's. Most know Riddler, Mr. Freeze, The Joker.

>>87464769
I'd actually love a book with that idea. D.C. needs to get on this. We just need more spy heroes in general. Where's Agents of Argus at!?

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>>87472342

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>>87459550
You gotta have a phd or be a God to fight Wondy

>>87472924
>>87473178
Thanks.

>>87472542
I'm bummed because you know that writers aren't going to use Riri Williams to get some good showings out of IM's villains that could raise their profile. There is a lot of story potential for an inexperienced kid with what is essentially the world's fanciest gun going up against guys who have been doing the supervillain thing for almost as long as she's been alive.

>>87472622
>Where's Agents of Argus at!?
Died when the Forever Evil ARGUS mini bombed.

>>87458042
>no other WW has really had a hugely memorable screen adaptation yet.

Except Lynda Carter, who mostly fought Nazis.

>>87474606
Only in the first season.

>>87454996
> Like Inversion the Inside-Out man, who accidentally turned himself inside out, and wants to do the same to humanity!
I'm sure I'm going to regret asking... but why exactly would he want to do that?

>>87475071
It just seemed like the thing to do

>>87475071
So he can find off-the-rack clothing for his inside-out lifestyle.

>>87475071
I'm gonna go with the general trends in Wondy's villains' motivations and say that he didn't get any.

Which in this case would make a lot of sense considering he's an inside-out man.

>>87454240
It's Cheetah. Cheetah hates Wonder Woman on a personal level like Lex hates Superman.

>>87460918
Circe hates the Amazons in general.

>>87455669
literally not one of those statements is true

>>87453594
Every good villain represents an aspect of the hero. With WW they all represent that she sucks.

>>87455834
>The point I'm making is that people who haven't read much classic GL probably don't know much of his rogues gallery, but you don't see them complaining about his rogues like they do Wondie's.
Because it includes Sinestro, who could carry a whole roster of shit rogues.

>>87458035
Only if Aquaman gets a great movie

>>87476348
Sinestro was fairly unimportant until the Bronze Age and even then he wasn't very compelling. The Sinestro you're talking about was created a little more than a decade ago.

>>87455199
>man rambles to police about being robbed by mice
>they actually believe him and just start unloading into the grate

Also I love how he just randomly blurts out SQUEEEEEEEEEEE, need a pepe edit of that.

>>87476348
So you'd think.

>>87475460
Cheetah is her Two-Face not her Joker. Also she's lame as fuck.

>>87478184
>>87478184
You don't even know what that means.

>>87478221
That's literally what Rucka called her you retard.

>>87478234
And you repeated it without understanding it.

Rucka also called himself a lesbian, by the way.

>>87478257
>And you repeated it without understanding it.
I know exactly why dumbass. It's because she's Diana's ex-friend that she desperately wants to save just like Bruce and Harvey. Feel free to stop exposing yourself as an idiot at any time.
>Rucka also called himself a lesbian, by the way.
Yes and that's retarded, but he's not wrong about Cheetah. Trying to make her into Diana's archnemesis has reatedly failed.

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>>87454240
DEVASTATION!

>>87459862
But their old comics have practically nothing in common.

>>87478234
>>87478257
That's a pretty new characterization and came from Geoff Johns.

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>>87478411
I actually like Deva quite a bit. There have been several anti-Wonder Woman characters, but I think she's easily got the most potential and best design.

>>87455364
>suffering sappho!

I miss these cheesy sayings, like how "Holy Cats!" used to be vogue.

>>87478411
>>87478531
Screw WonderBats, DamianxDevastation is my new OTP.

>>87478531
I think she's a little too on-the-nose about being an anti-Wonder Woman.

>>87480131
Better than Genocide.

>>87455199
I have a friend who draws fan art of him but I can't find it at the moment.

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>>87481990
Wait, here's a couple of them.

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Over 300 posts and no one has mentioned Baroness Paula von Gunther?

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>>87482045
Cheetah tends to get a lot of focus because of Superfriends

But the Baroness has had her share of media adaptations as well. BATB and the 70s Wonder Woman show

>>87453594
all her good villans are nazis
i like the cheater one and the giant one though

>>87454240
there was that one nazi spyleader
she even came back from the dead

>>87455657
If these characters are so good how come most of them haven't gotten arcs dedicated to them in ages and ages? OWNED YOU HARD HAR HAR HAR

>>87482041
Mouse Man is cute! CUTE!

Bring him back pls

>>87482041
Mouse Man vs Ratcatcher, who wins?

>>87482151
We're literally in the middle of a Barbara Ann Minerva arc that's just finished exploring her role as Cheetah and how it relates to Urzkartarga, is now developing her relationship with Diana, Steve and Etta on a personal level. There was a whole issue dedicated to her backstory as an archaeologist before meeting Diana

>>87482151
>OWNED YOU HARD HAR HAR HAR
You should at least pretend to be over 18 to post in this site.

>>87482573
I found it all boring desu.

>>87482573
You should realize by now that no one here actually reads Wonder Woman.

>>87467536
Chinese make piss eggs
Seriously

>>87487393
If dude is the potato and Ares is the cheese then who is the chili?

>>87454240
The Patriarchy