>Been in near constant publication since the 40's >Two

>white male
>fucks all the bitches
SJWs HATE him

find out why!

>>87341670
Because he's derivative of Batman, he likely had a lot of attempts at rogues galleries but nobody really remembers because he's in Batman's shadow.

>>87341856
>SJWs HATE him
Tumblr has a boner for all the Robins. They just headcanon them as massive feminists.

Because the concept of having your own rogues gallery in a shared universe is basically dead.

Though he has Deathstroke as a nemesis and Morrison tried to make Red Hood and Scarlet into his antithesis, but Winick went MUH ANTI-HERO.

>>87341894
And gay.

All of them.

>>87341670

What about Blockbuster? Inspector Soames? Raptor? just kidding, Raptor sucks dick and I have no idea why I keep buying new issues of Nightwing Rebirth

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Doesn't need a Rouge Gallery when the GOAT villan is his.

>>87341670
>Been in near constant publication in Batman's comics
>Two stints as Batman
>Had a solo that went over 100 issues that was edited by Batman's editors and was subservient to any crossovers they wanted to do, plus guest appearances by Bat-Characters to make sure sales didn't flop
>Lead one of the biggest teams in DC history under the pretense that he was Batman's sidekick

That's how. Dick is a Batman character, so creators supplement him with Batman shit, not his own shit.

>>87342086
I'm legitimately bothered he's been more focused on GA and Batman since the New 52 than Dick. Have they even FOUGHT since 2011?

>>87342086
Isn't he more of his own character than just a villain for Dick to fight by this point?

>>87341670
he is the inferior Robin

Damian already surpassed him in everything

>>87342190
>the worst Robin surpassed Dick


Nope.

>>87342086
>psssh... getting personnel, kid.

>>87341670
>supporting cast
titans, batfamily, most notably damian lately
>rogues
deathstroke, bats' rogues.

with him it's not that he doesn't have many rogues and friends, he has too many, and he's also sharing them with other characters

>>87341670
>Supporting cast
Titans and Batfamily. Over the years editorial whims have tried to break him away from both. Other writers just don't care enough to carry over the supporting characters he's had. I would love to see Amy Rohrbach again. Amygdala. Ravager. Sonia Zucco.

>rogue gallery
Editorial has repeatedly killed them off, spun them over to other properties, or retconned them into irrelevance
Up till the 80s, his rogues were Batman's rogues.
Deathstroke - Rolled over to Green Arrow, New 52'd. Shit, now he's more of a Batman villain. Fuck you DC.
Brother Blood - Killed by Johns for his Teen Blood character
Mr Twister/Gargoyle - Forgotten and New 52'd
Blockbuster - Killed by Grayson, reset to the original in New 52.
Tarantula - New 52'd, rolled over to Green Arrow
Shrike - Ruined by Kelley Puckett
Professor Pyg - Rolled up to Batman
Red Hood - New 52'd, now an anti-hero
James Gordon Jr. - Ruined by Gail Simone
Owlman - Johns dropped the ball on this, never followed up, and killed him instead.
Luka Netz - She's still out there, along with whatever's left of Dedalus' Spyral
Parliament of Owls/Raptor - Too early to tell how this'll go

Then he still has his own personal relationships with the standard bat-rogues. But if DC could just fix a couple of the big villains on this list, I would be soooooo happy.

>>87342811
I forgot a few.

The Wrath II - New 52'd
Saiko - He was shit. Hopefully forgotten forever.
Crazy Quilt - forgotten and needs a Rebirth because he was the first
Dan Didio - GOAT arch nemesis needs more panel time
Lady Vic was cool too, I could see more of her. Also Double Dare.

If you could make an ideal Nightwing supporting cast and rogues gallery, what would it be?

>>87341670
Bad writers for his solo.

>>87341884
This. He was created as support character and the fact that he went this far is pretty impressive, but this is the best that dc can do with him.

>>87342913
I like midnighter, tiger and spyral as the supporting cast.

I miss James Jr and owlman as his rouges. Abnett brought back gargoyle/mister twister, and antithesis so looking forward to them.

>>87342924
Seeley's struggling to write him alone.

>>87343004
Like I said, bad writers for his solo.

>>87341670
Because no matter what, he's always going to be a glorified sidekick and his stints as Batman are useless because he'll never be the Batman, just a Batman.

>>87341670
He's getting Orca as one of his.

He has one, it's just too shit to be remembered.
Lady Vic is the only one I can recall off the top of my head, right now.

>>87343023
This is troubling.

>>87343004
I don't think he likes Nightwing very much, or at least the idea of classic Nightwing.

>>87343110
Seeley is just a bad writer, that's all.

>>87343110
Either he doesn't like Nightwing and is trying very hard to retread old ground to please fanboys and "be like Grant Morison" with the "everything is canon" idea but missing the point or he's a huge Nightwing fanboy and loves all the garbage and mediocre stories from his solo.

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>>87343122
Fuck off.

>>87343122
Salvaged only by King in the Grayson title

>>87343137
WATCH IT, ANON!

>>87342913
Deathstroke, Gordon Jr., Raptor, Blockbuster, Pyg, Twister/Gargoyle, Vic, Shrike, Tarantula, Double Dare

Seems a bit heavy on martial artists but that would be my pick for rogues, in roughly descending order of importance.

>>87343262
Assassin, maniac, assassin, king-pin ripoff, maniac, maniac, assassin, assassin, assassin, assassin twins.

>>87341670
You know why, Op, but this board is too biased toward Dick to have that discussion.

>>87343316
You might not have noticed but Dick is a street-level hero.

>>87341670
Didn't Tim Drake have an ongoing that ran on for 100 issues apparently? What supporting characters or villains does he have to speak of now?

>>87341670
Because dick grayson is a supporting character to bruce wayne

He is not the headliner like other b or c list characters with their own rogues and city

>>87343132
Everything should be canon.

Dick's supporting cast in his solo should be huge.
He has his family in Bruce and Alfred. He's big brother to Damian. He has a mentor/big bro in Superman.
He has his best friends in Wally and Donna. The rest of the Titans are there too.
He has his off/on ex-girlfriend in Barbara. She still knows him better than basically anyone.
He has work friends in Tiger, Midnighter, and Huntress
He has a cast of rotating romantic interests, from Helena, Starfire, Sonia Branch, etc.
Dick working to redeem Ravager was like the prototype of DickBats and Damian and we need more of it.

Dick's rogues gallery could be good.
Priest is fixing Deathstroke.
Seeley could Rebirth Tarantula's history with Nightwing.
Raptor and the Parliament of Owls are good.
Spyral Agent 0 is still out there. Professor Pyg has ties to her too.
James Jr. still works.

That gives you a decent base to build off of. It gives ties to the Titans, the Batfam, and the Spyral era. And none of those villains are shit. I mean, I loved the shit out of Blockbuster and I'd love to see him return, but he's too Kingpin-lite and the DCU has changed so much...

>>87343348
I like Tim well enough but that's misleading. He had 100 issues as Robin, which is basically a buffer for sales.

>>87343138
Then can't King salvage himself in his Batman? Nightwing isn't any worse than majority of mediocre Rebirth titles.

>>87343316
Double Dare are jewel/art thieves.
Tarantula is a vigilante who broke bad (anti-hero? femme fatale?)
Gargoyle is a common criminal possessed by a malevolent extradimensional force. He's a dimension-hopping reality-warper with some sort of psychic juju. Maniac seems kinda reductive.

Honestly, do you even read comics?

>>87343369
>Everything should be canon.
No. Cape comics have too much history and there are far too many bad cape writers for such an approach. When you're put on a character, as a writer, it is your duty to retcon bad writing, much more important than expanding on a good writer's work.

>>87343348
>What... villains does he have to speak of now?
Irrelevance?
Also, Ulysses. That's literally it.

>>87343340
Agree with this, but it seems to only be on the weekends are the worst

>>87343340
>>87343483
Dick is one of my favorite characters. What are you guys talking about?

>>87343453
>When you're put on a character, as a writer, it is your duty to retcon bad writing, much more important than expanding on a good writer's work.
Retcons are part of 'everything is canon'.
That happened, it was just a doombot.
That was my protege who stole my Prometheus gear.
We called it rape at the time but really it was consensual.

>>87343606
That hack thinking is why most cape comics suck.

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>>87341856
>white male
Except he's not and hasn't been for like a decade

>fucks all the bitches
>this meme again

>>87343678
>forced diversity

Because DC doesn't care about him.

Dick is an overachieving B lister who is too similar to Batman on his own, and DC/WB cares more about Justice League than Teen Titans and always has (minus the early 80s and the beginning of Johns' run).

They're just fine with putting writers who haven't proven themselves on his book (and TT), and if all goes well, they get moved to something different, because Dick (and TT) sells just fine when they're mediocre.
Grayson was fantastic yet it didn't sell much better than Nightwing solos before, so they put the better writer on a bigger title people care about (i.e. Batman).

And since he hasn't had a "defining" run, writers who come in start over to make their own defining run. Sometimes crossovers ruin their plans (Grayson the writer and Higgins), and sometimes editorial just fucks you over completely (Grayson the writer and King/Seeley).

Again, mostly because DC doesn't care about him and doesn't HAVE to care about him.

>>87343730
Is it that much of a stretch for a family of traveling circus performers to be Romani?

>>87343730
Common sense.
He was from a long-running circus family with roots in western Europe. Dick being part gypsy makes sense. That's like complaining about forced diversity when PAD made Monet St Croix Muslim. Go away.

>>87343678
no wonder he keeps stealing Batman's stuff and even tries to steal his cape/title

>>87343730
Him being part Romani makes more sense than him being fully white. He uses gypsy magic to attract so many women.

>>87343924
That's racist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2odOu0Oguo

>>87343861
Yes. Gypsies aren't known to be circus people. 'sides nobody did much with that information anyway, nobody explored his heritage. Also
>Richard John Grayson
>Romani name

>>87342913
>Dan Didio - GOAT arch nemesis needs more panel time

I tip my hat to you clever sir, for that was rich and true

>>87343805
>Because DC doesn't care about him.
False. DC cares but every time they try to push the character forward his fans throw a bitch fit.

>>87344085
>FINGER STRIPES!

>>87343961
His mom was Romani, his dad isn't.

>>87341670
All batman enemies. Plus all teen titans. Enemies are his enemies, he doesn't need anyone more

>>87341670
He does you casual.

>Deathstroke
>Tarantula
>Blockbuster
Thats just off the top of my head.

>>87344247
This, most of Batman's rogues were introduced while he was Robin so they are Dick's rogues too.

>>87343961
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Gypsy_and_Traveller_groups

>>Richard John Grayson
His pre-anglicized surname was Graesinka.
Then they retconned the fuck out of it in the New 52 and I guess it's just his mom's side that's romani

>>87344320
>Graesinka
Even worse. This is what 0 research gets you
>oh I guess I'll just make him Romani because it sounds exotic. And romani are people without land so I won't get called out when I do innacurate shit like if I were to make him Italian or something.

>>87344247
>All batman enemies

enough, he already stole Batman's "nice side" he shouldn't steal his rogue gallery too

His most recent stint as batman was the best thing to happen to the title in a long time. Faggo Bruce can stay dead

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>>87344399
>enough, he already stole Batman's "nice side" he shouldn't steal his rogue gallery too
When will this meme end?
Batman turned asshhole long before Dick was taken back from the Titans books. Don't blame Dick for DC's 20-year plus Batjerk boner.

>>87344492
It's not a meme tho, when Dick and Bruce are in the same room they always up Bruce's asshole level to the max

at least in the 90s they were both assholes

>>87344320
That dude turned out to not be his real grandpa.

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>>87344534
Yes, Batman being an unrepentant jackass is clearly all Dick's fault. You have shown me the error of my ways, whatever was I thinking?

>>87344483

Lol the Batman book was trash when it was Dickbats. Morrison's BnR and Snyder's Black Mirror were great, but Streets of Gotham was mediocre and 'Tec was taken over by Batwoman.

>>87344534
They were pretty cool with each other in Nightwing: Rebirth.

>>87344665
I didn't say it was all his fault

>using panels from that writer

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>>87344719
How far back would you like me to go, then?

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>>87344719
>>87344757
How many writers would you like?

>>87344757
>>87344782
>cherrypicking

those are all side-effects

>>87344483
Only Morrison's B&R and Black Mirror were good/great during that time.

Batman was trash, Streets of Gotham was alright at best (though Dick himself was nothing special), Batwoman had 'Tec, B&R after Morrison was mediocre at best, and JLA was awful.

>>87344534
Except it happened BEFORE Dick even came back to the batbooks.

Dick didn't come back for good until the mid 90s and Bruce became an asshole after DKR and Death In The Family.

And you even said that Dick wasn't even nice in the 90s, and it wasn't he was extremely prissy, so it wasn't Dick "stealing" Bruce's niceness.

>>87344864
So basically there were under 30 good issues of Dickbats.

>>87343132
I'm pretty sure he's gone on record as not liking Bludhaven/the original run.

>>87344956
Well Dixon and early Grayson were mediocre as fuck, wasted potential, and pretty by the numbers, so I can see him not liking it.
He seems to like more out there things.

>>87344956
And yet he's still revisiting it.

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>>87344853
Cherrypick these nuts and stop moving your goalposts.
This had nothing to do with Dick and everything to do with Denny O'Neil's conscious decision to move the Batman titles to a much darker place in the late 80s.

Remember, Dick didn't get pulled back into the Batbooks till 1994.

>>87345131
look we can argue all day it will not change the truth that if Dick and Bruce are in the same story Dick is going to be the saint and Bruce the asshole meanwhile when Bruce is on his own and not paired with some other hero he will showcase a bigger array of emotions

>>87345057
He's shitting on it though

And making Bludhaven what it should've been to begin with and not a Gotham clone.

>>87345250
Ok but it's not Dick's fault since it happened to Bruce before Dick even came back and Dick was also an asshole when he actually did come back

It's writers' faults for reading DKR and wanting a shitty human being as Batman

>>87345272
If you eat a shit ironically, at the end of the day you're still eating a shit.

>>87344864
>JLA was awful.
Why does this run get so much hate? Everything from the JSA crossover to the title ending was pretty good.

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>>87342086
god I love Slade

>>87341670
Because he isn't as valuable as Batman or Robin. so DC doesn't bother with throwing support at his character since he already does better than they were expecting.

>>87345518
DC has pushed Dick pretty heavy the last few years, really.

They made him the face of the Batbooks for about 2 years in Batman Reborn, then kept him around as Batman through to Rebirth.
Sure there was that stumble in the New 52, but three years in they fixed it, gave him Grayson, gave him the weekly B&R Eternal series, made the WAR series founded on his legacy, and gave him the Robin War event on top of all that.

Sure they took King and put him on Batman, but Nightwing is doing good right now. He's got a Titans title again. At least the company is trying.

>>87345649
>He's got a Titans title again.

All Dickfags I see on internet are whining about Titans book.

>>87345649
>He's got a Titans title again
It's a Wally book and Booth is on it though.

>>87345835
So? Ignore them.

>>87345835
Generalize much?
I mean, Nightwing is my favorite character. I'm so happy Wally has a title again, I'm even ignoring the Boothh art and mediocre writing.

>>87341978

Tim is gay. Dick is bi.

>>87345930
>muh headcanons

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>>87345930
Sure they are.

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>>87342130
Nope.
Nightwing and Deathstroke have never been in a book together in the New 52. How fucking sad is that?

>>87346280
Deathstroke is the better character, it's a good thing they elevated him to his own character instead of the villain for a B-lister

>>87346280
The last interaction I think they had was Dickbats beating his ass in the hospital. That just makes me sad

>>87346316
You're looking at it from the wrong perspective.
Dick is the reason both Slade's boys died, and the reason his daughter left him, after he spent years building up that dependency and trust.

Outside of Wade and Pat, both of whom are dead, Dick is the most personal villain Deathstroke has.

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>>87342913
>Didio

>>87346321
Actually they fought in the awful Titans book after that

>>87341894
>people that don't read comics were saying that dick isn't a slut and only has sex with women he truly loves
>remember that dick fucked Babs while he was engaged to to Kori and then invited her to the wedding the next day
>remember that after that he told Kori that he loved her but wasn't in love with her

>>87346918
You're looking at it the wrong way. If you kill of Slade's entire character, completely ruin his relationship with Rose and then make things personal between him and Dick but he can't kill him the Slade ends up looking lame and one note.

>>87346316
>>87347511
How much of a pathetic casual are you that you think Deathstroke is a better character than Dick?

>>87347296
boy, the 80s were a wild time for everyone

>>87341670
Tarantula and Double Dare

>>87347511
Casual.
Deathstroke lost his daughter's trust/love and spent the remainder of Pre-Flashpoint trying to get it back. The same thing he's doing in Priest's run right now. If Slade did anything to Dick in retaliation he'd lose Rose for life.

>>87347888
That Anon is referencing a late 00s retcon to a story published in he early 90's.