So The Boondocks ripped off Naruto's fight scene. They probably

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>>87323693
>Doesnt know what parody is

>>87323693
they both ripped off Bruce Lee

>>87323758
Its not this. You dumbass.

>>87323693
wow i didnt know Naruto had an old black woman beating the shit out of a colored youth

they really set the bar for anime huh

>>87323758

I know what parody is.

I also know what plagiarism is.

>>87323693
inb4 somebody posts the gif of Naruto animators tracing Cowboy Bebop

>>87323693
oh boy here we go again

who gives a flying shit

>>87323758
>an imitation of the style of a particular writer, artist, or genre with deliberate exaggeration for comic effect.

Unlike this, which is literally an exact fucking copy with no exaggeration. Buncha fuckin' hacks.

>>87323758
If they didn't make an anime reference at the end, its just plagiarism.
I'm sick of people saying its a parody, or a tribute. The creators did nothing to indicate where they got the move from, or any reference to Naruto. They just stole it and hoped no-one would notice.

>It's plagiarism if you aren't okay with it
>It's parody if you are

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Report thread and move along.

>>87323693
Naruto ripped off Bruce Lee. Boondocks ripped off Bruce Lee.

>>87323933

They just stole fight choreography. Where was the parody? Where?

Show me where the exaggeration was. Show me the acknowledgement of the source material.

>>87323901
>They just stole it and hoped no-one would notice.

The entire show if filled with shit tons of references from other things. It doesn't have to openly say "REMEMBER WHERE THIS IS FROM".

Like the Booty Warrior, the fucked up fat kid, the white teacher saying nigger.

Boondocks was too busy putting time and money into important parts of the show to waste time on fight scenes.

>>87323990

Naruto ripped off Cowboy Bebop. The Boondocks ripped off Naruto. The Boondocks is a ripoff of a ripoff.

>>87323693
That's kinda funny.

Naruto stole from Bebop.
Boonboys stole from Naruto.

>>87324008
>Like the Booty Warrior, the fucked up fat kid, the white teacher saying nigger.

All obvious. They straight-up presented the exact elements of each reference.

Unlike with this, where they just stole the choreography while referencing fucking nothing.

It's funny because Naruto did both ripped scenes worse than the others. The two Naruto characters in OP gif are off-model in almost every frame and their faces turn into formless blobs frequently, as well as their limbs taking on strange, contorted shapes.

>>87323990
>>87324013

Okay, but what did Cowboy Bebop rip off?

>>87323693
what naruto episode is that desu

>>87323693
Why the heck does the western animation here have the LOWER frame rate of the two? It's almost always the opposite.

>>87324008
>The entire show if filled with shit tons of references from other things.
>It doesn't have to openly say "REMEMBER WHERE THIS IS FROM".
Sounds like they stole a lot of shit.

>>87324132
Boondocks is probably on a lower budget and animating on threes instead of twos. You notice their lipsync has always been garbage too. Their animators do know how to translate a kick or a punch, though, because usually their characters really look like they're putting their weight in it.

There's not a lack of skill, is what I'm saying. It's just that if you animate every three frames instead of every two, you can save a lot of money in the long run. A bunch of kids' shows also animate on threes for budget reasons.

>>87324119
I think it was some kung fu movie.

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>>87324132
but it doesn't you fucking weeb

anime is well known for using cheaper methods of animation to cut costs; they use such techniques to make it appear a higher frame-rate

>>87323758
This

>>87324119
>>87323797

>>87324254
>weeb

If anything, my post would imply I hate anime, not love it. I'm just surprised because western animation is typically the much smoother of the two.

I am curious as to what this technique you're talking about is, though.

>>87324119

Jackie Chan.


Seriously. Watch The Big Brawl. They ripped the fights right out of that.

>>87324397
He doesn't know what he's talking about. Animation runs at 24 FPS and animators will normally draw on twos, which means every other frame. Or in other words, a cartoon tends to run at 12 FPS. However, for fast movements like action scenes where there's a bunch going on, animators will animate on ones so they can fit everything in.

Boondocks does neither as far as I know. I'm pretty sure they're animating on threes, which means once every three frames or at 8 FPS. It is not really an industry standard because it looks noticeably choppy, but it's a way to save money in your animation budget and it works for Boondocks because they're pretty dialogue-reliant.

Western animation that uses rigs will often be smoother because animators can "tween" with a program that animates simple movements on ones. Automated tweening can lead to really bad animation, but for easy things it's fine and gets the cartoon running at 24 FPS more often.

>>87324516
I'm surprised /Co actually knows things about actual animation and not just Waifu fags claiming characters

>>87324728
That's just like one dude, sorry to burst your bubble

>>87323892
People with integrity.

You Chinese fuck

>>87323797
Prove it faggot. Post a fucking clip of Bruce Lee doing this shit or sodomize yourself with a cactus you baseless rumor spouting fetus.

>>87324946
>People with autism.
fixed

>>87324728
The knowledge doesn't come up that often on /co/. People don't usually ask technical questions like, "Why is this at lower FPS?" They're more caught up in the drama of the script - which is the whole point. When you notice the seams the immersion is shattered, after all.

Boondocks does a lot of tricks to save money. Another thing to look for while watching the show is close-ups. That show does close-ups all the time. They take more skill because people recognize when something is off about a face, so you have to put a good guy on it, but they make it so there's so much less to animate. Guran Lagan did a whole episode that was just an obnoxious number of facial close-ups and that's because it was their "fuck we're out of money" episode.

>>87324946
Animating a scene takes a lot of work, and a part of that is knowing your timing. To get the timing down for normal movements you can set a stop watch and do that thing in front of a mirror. But for a fight, what are you going to do? Have one of the interns hit you then throw you over their shoulder?

Nah. You'll watch a kung fu movie and then basically animate what you saw. It's not weird or unethical to see an animated scene that looks like someone else's scene, especially when you find out that 'x' copied 'y', 'y' copied 'z', and 'z' was watching a movie.

I guess your other option would be to hire Jackie Chan and mocap an original choreographed fight, but what cartoon can splurge like that?

>>87323899
>Come on you little punk bitch! I'm a beat you like you stole something!

How is that not an exaggeration?

>>87323879

>inb4 the only potential reason why this would even exist

It's an homage.

>>87324254
I get that the pic probably meant to be read as >call, but all I can read is the Spanish word for street.

>>87325201
It has nothing to fucking do with Naruto/

>>87324491
>>87324314
>>87324242
Fuck off.

>>87325389
>It's an homage.
No. It isn't. It's stolen choreography because doing their own would be difficult expensive and time consuming.

>>87325045
Fuck off, you stealing Chinese shit.

In the west, you can't just steal the work of someone else and clams it's yours.

>>87324092
That was just the animation direction back then.

>>87325171
>hire Jackie Chan and mocap an original choreographed fight, but what cartoon can splurge like that?

Avatar had two master martial artists throwing eachother and Bryan/Mike around to choreograph the fights. It's a big part of why the show was so good.

https://youtu.be/vdw6YmO8q_k?t=813

>>87325597
the animation in avatar was dogshit though

>>87323995

They don't need to directly acknowlege the source material for it to be a parody. It's a ghetto talking old woman beating up a little kid. If that isn't an 'exaggeration' then you clearly don't know the meaning of the word.

They all rip off (or if you prefer, "take inspiration from") old chinese kung fu flicks. Y'all seriously need to lighten up.

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> Steven Universe "pays homage" to countless anime
> OMG GUYS! I KNOW WHAT THAT IS! IT'S FROM A LESBIAN ANIME THAT I'VE NEVER SEEN! SO PROGRESSIVE

> Boondocks "RIPOFF" one fight scene from a pleb anime
> HERRRR SHIT SHOW! PLAGIARISM! THIS SHOW USES THE N WORD TO MUCH AND HURTS MUH FEELINGS!

/co/ Everyone.

>>87325660
Dogshit? okay first of all it was over a decade ago.
Second, it still looks up to par with some shows of today.

>>87323693
Yeah well Naruto Copied the shit out of Cowboy Bepop for the Naruto vs Neiji fight, so I guess the moral of the story is what goes around comes around.

Proof:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgvlMPO0Xq0

Btw mute the audio.

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>>87323693
>implying Huey killed his parents
>implying Riley is not the best Uchiha
>implying Granddad is really current Hokage

>>87323693
If it did, it's a third hand plagiarism, if not a fourth hand. Naruto took choreography from Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan and Cowboy Bebop. Bebop presumable also took it from somewhere.

And no, it's not a "tribute", it's a simple issue of not having money for original choreography and wanting your cartoon to have some good looking fight scenes.

>>87325898

no one says this

>>87325480

That's irrelevant. Many musical parodies for example copy the same beat and melody with lyrics unrelated to the original song. As long as it is meant for comedy (which The Boondocks is labeled as) then it is not plagiarism.)

>>87325914
Are you an idiot? What does being from 10 years ago have to do with animation quality? There haven't been a bunch of amazing new animation techniques in the last decade that have just now allowed for fluid animation. Also animation in atla wasnt great but it excelled in a lot of other areas.

>>87326138
>Bruce Lee
Post the video you worthless scum.

>>87326228
>That's irrelevant.
It absolutely is relevant if you're calling it a parody of Naruto dumbfuck. In songs its clear where the parody comes from and what the original was. Theres no practical way to trace fight choreography used here back to a short scene in Naruto.

>>87323990
this always bothered me as an especially dumb instance it which to rip off fight choreography

he's hitting a shadow clone, the damn thing should explode instantly, not stick around for a half-dozen hits to job neji and showcase the animators' talent at copy-pasting someone else's work

Wow there are a lot of fucking morons who don't know the differences between Plagerism and parody. You really cant be that fucking stupid. I'm thinking some people in this thread are trolling but I can't tell. you really can't be ThAT fucking stupid.

>>87326279
>In songs its clear where the parody comes from and what the original was.

Unless you never heard the original song before.

>Theres no practical way to trace fight choreography used here back to a short scene in Naruto.

Yet OP and several others in this thread were able to do so.

>>87326511
>Unless you never heard the original song before.
In this cause even if you had seen the original you're still not likely to pick it out. Also a parody will usually credit the original.
>Yet OP and several others in this thread were able to do so.
And rightly called it plagarism. Besides no on in this thread made that gif. What you're saying is the equivalent of saying Greg Land's art parodies porn.

Steven Cuckverse does the same all the time, fuck off.

>>87323758
apparently neither do you

>>87325001
>>87326250
You deserve nothing. Crawl back up your sister's fetid incest chute perish you waste of air.
>>87324119
The Game of Death
This entire thread could have been averted with a 10 second google search. Jesus.

>>87324242
>>87324491
People always say this but no one EVER posts proof.
Until then, Im going to continue to believe that the fight scene in Bebop is 100% original choreography.

>>87326925
Which is most likely the case.

>>87326915
>The Game of Death
Which scene?

>>87326966
He's talking shit.

There is no scene in GOD similiar to that train fight scene in Bebop.

>>87324044
>All obvious. They straight-up presented the exact elements of each reference.
>Unlike with this, where they just stole the choreography while referencing fucking nothing.

You'd be surprised how obvious it isn't, some people just found out the booty warrior existed when he got released from prison a few years ago. In both cases they use something nearly identical except when it comes to fighting people pretty much always say something was stolen regardless of circumstance.

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>>87323693
jesus fucking christ this whole stupid thread

>there are no homages in animation, it's all just ripoffs
>nobody ever pays tribute to martial arts legends because they like them, it's all just ripoffs
>nobody ever makes callbacks to famous fight scenes from other cartoons and movies, it's all just ripoffs
>nobody can reference anything ever from other media, it's all just ripoffs

Did everyone just sit through a class lecture on plagiarism and then declare themselves copyright attorneys?

>>87323693
Slightly off topic, but how did neither of them dodge that punch? They telegraphed it so much and they had at least a couple seconds to dodge.

>>87327003
That's because copyin choreography is basically tracing. People could still go and watch booty warrior videos later know that the boondocks was referencing real life. But if somebody started watching Naruto there's almost no chance they'd ever know.

>>87324728
Dont worry, by tomorrow or even the end if the day you'll see a post ad think "my god, that person just be astronomically stupid" then see no one call them on it or even agree just because they don't like what someone else was defending.

>>87327022
>if I turn the opposing argument into a ridiculous hyperbole it means they're wrong
No one is saying there are never homages. But stealing choreography is nothing but a short cut.

Also
>famous fight scenes
lol fucking where?

>>87326342
>the damn thing should explode instantly, not stick around for a half-dozen hits
Depends on the amount of chakra used in the clone, the more chakra the more hits it can take.

>>87326894
>>87325898
Who the fuck ever mentioned Steven Universe?

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It wasn't an intentional rip-off from the actual creators. It was just Mir being lazy shits like usual and recycling their own animation. Disney pulled this shit back in the day too. You're all fucking retards.

>>87326994
Or maybe you're an idiot.

"Spike's fight on the bridge with Abdul Hakim in session #2, Stray Dog Strut, is a homage to the fight between Bruce Lee and Kareem Abdul-Jabar in the movie "Game of Death" from 1978. In fact, Spike uses Lee's "Jeet Kune Do" style when he fights."

>>87327232
/thread

>>87326862
>In this cause even if you had seen the original you're still not likely to pick it out.

So, a parody only counts as such, if I'm able to remember seeing the original clip? Plenty of Naruto fans picked up on the reference.

>Also a parody will usually credit the original.

Not always the case, nor is it required to.

>>87327248
>Spike's fight on the bridge with Abdul Hakim
Yeah I just watched that fight. They didn't even show it let alone lift any choreography from Game of Death.

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>>87327408
>reference
So I suppose you agree that Greg Land is a master of parody?

>>87327232

Lmao. They "plagiarized" their own animation. I sometimes forget how autistic this board is.

>>87327602
Either way its still a matter of being lazy assholes. And they still plagiarized it from Cowboy Bebop in the first place.

>>87327427
>>87327427
You're not even arguing with me anymore, you're arguing with what the creators of CBBB said they drew inspiration from. A homage is not necessarily a direct choreography rip, but if you can't see the similarities then you're kind of dull.

>>87327638
>Mir
>being lazy assholes
You don't say. There's a reason no one likes those fucks.

>>87327671
Well this thread isn't talking about similarities or inspiration now is it? Everyone's been talking about how the choreography was taken from Bruce Lee with and you started talking out of your ass with no proof. If you don't have anything to add then you don't have to be here.

>>87327638
>they still plagiarized it from Cowboy Bebop in the first place.

Not that particular scene in the OP, which is the topic of discussion.

>>87327950
Ah. Well good for them.

"''''ripped off"""

>>87327802
>If you don't have anything to add then you don't have to be here.
Why are you here then? Why is anyone here? Thread fucking over. Let it die.

There's a lot of extra angry anons here today.

why do people like mir anyways
They're shit

Seems more like homage to me.

Like that Graviton episode of Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes where the scene of Giant-Man lifting a ship or something like that was similar to some NGE shit. I think it was NGE, I dunno. I read about it a long time ago.

>>87328359
>why do people like mir anyways
Avatar

>>87328181
lol this kid is so asshurt

>>87328233

/co/ is a board that consists of people that get """outraged"" about shit they don't know much about for the sake "le chan culture XD", once disproved they will simply drop the topic like a rock or just lash out at themselves "OMG WHY CANt i DISAgrEE THIS is TRULY COmBLR"

You guys... don't think replacing a young ninja with an old black woman is parody?

>>87328660
Not just any old black woman but one based on "Aunt Esther" from Sandford and Son, in fact the whole Hatocracy were based on Red Fox/Sandford Esther and JJ from Goodtimes

>>87328591
this is just a generic wushu form opener

I have a friend who did that shit for a decade

>>87327248
POST

THE

VIDEO

FUCKWIT

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>>87326058
Huey would be a great raikage

>>87323693
funny thing is that Boondocks is better than Naruto

>>87323693
>anime niggers will never stop raiding boards

When will GR15 be expanded to cover anime shitposting too?

I've heard that most fight scenes in Boondocks are taken directly from old kung fu flicks. Haven't been able to find direct proof, though.