Did we ever find out what was in the box? Or was this just

Dropped.

It was a heart shaped mirror.

>>87200172
A little note that said "I love you!"

Mr. and Mrs. Wayne's weaponized ashes.

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You're not worthy to know what's inside the box op.

One of the many plot-points and concepts Geoff Johns introduced and never explored.

>>87200172
What's in those boxes?

>>87200172
Probably a killswitch for all of his tech, proof of him being Batman, freezes his assets. Batman's biggest weakness is his identity and wallet.

WHATS IN THE BOOOOOX

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>>87200280
We don't know what's in Aquaman and Batman boxes.

It's a picture of Superman fucking Wonder Woman.

>>87200172
A gun and a bullet, is to symbolize that he will have to kill him. DEEEEEEEPPPPP now I am ready to assist Zack in the latest DC movie.

>>87200172
You'd be lucky if anyone, even fucking Johns, remember this.
Besides, it probably died with Superbro

>>87200172
The gun that killed his parents.

He wants to die by the weapon that started it all.

>>87200392

Picture of Superman's dick and Wonder Woman nake post-coitus on top of the Waynes grave with Superman jizzing on top of Wonder Woman's face and breats and Matha's headstone.

>>87200172

A rock.

"Clark, just throw this really hard at my head. Croc almost got me like this once."

>>87200454
>Batman finally goes evil
>Superman has the gun!
>he shoots!
>lel Batman has armor in cape, fuck you Superman

>>87200581
>Shoot him in the jaw
And there's your new Joker

>>87200172
>A note saying "What would your parents think?"

>>87200618
>Batman uses Tibetan body swap technique and hijacks Superman's body and lives to oppress world even harder

>>87200172
If this was Morrison's batman I would assume it was a post hypnotic command that put him in a sleep like state that he gave himself when he was experimenting with states of mind.

>>87200668
Say hello to Injustice 2

>>87200387

Read an issue recently where WW's contingency plan was deceiving her with a lasso of lies he bought off the magic black market.

I like to think Bruce put a bomb in his skull and he gave supes the trigger

>>87200172
Martha's pearls.

Or a picture of Thomas and Wayne.

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>>87200975
Yeah, Endgame.

>>87200733
Me too, but that's a good idea, something Johns can't have anymore

>>87200387
>Aquaman
Just take him out of his natural habitat and he will die.

>>87200975
Geoff didn't write that. Don't think her box(heh) had anything in it

>>87201267
Her box is Superman. And that's totally why Batman was salty over SM/WW pairing. Not because he faps to WW.

>>87201115
True. Aquaman only talks to fish.

>>87201292
Whose box had nothing in it because he didn't know how to beat them?

>>87201292

WW > Superman though

>>87201292
>Not because he faps to WW.
But he will. Since they'll get their memories from pre-new52 where they've loved each other soon, superbro is dead and movie synergy awaits.

>>87201450
Johns' Batman in JL was in love with Wonder Woman. Remember lasso scene?

>>87201516
I dont remember that, what does he say? Do you remember what issue it was in?

>>87201064
jesus christ, does barry only job outside of his own book in new 52? i've never seen a decent feat by him in years but tons of stupid jobbing. he even jobbed against gotham recently.

>>87201547
I dont think the gotham one counts, the whole justice league jobbed that one.

>>87201516
He wasn't "in love". "Deep connection" that's all. And I bet Johns didn't even remember this.

>>87201041

That's pretty extreme.

I can see Batman coming up with an hypnotic suggestion meant to stop him, though.

>>87201446

Wonder Woman's the only box that was empty because according to Geoff Johns Batman doesn't know any weakness he can exploit.

So Batman's plan was that Superman could stop her somehow, but all of that went to shit when they started dating and Batman found out Wonder Woman was trying to convince Superman into going all INJUSTICE.

>>87201586

It was implied.

The only two people capable of extracting the JL from inside Firestorm using the lasso were Steve Trevor, Wonder Woman's ex boyfriend, and Batman, and the reason given was because both had a deep connection with Wonder Woman, which coupled with the lasso would be able to reach Wonder Woman inside Firestorm and thus free everyone through her.

>>87200407
A gun and a bullet, Batman; it was your idea.

>>87200407

Zack Snyder would have the bullet made out of Martha's peals and the gun be the same one Joe Chill used to kill his parents.

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>>87201586

It was pretty clear that Batman wanted to bone Wonder Woman.

>>87201891
As much as I like the idea, Bruce haven't show anything but distrust and irration to her. And she feels the same about him. Also, as I said, no one between authors even remembers this scene.

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>>87201994

Batman was salty as fuck.

>>87201994
>>87202076
Pretty sure Batman was actually gay for Superman

>>87202049

Batman didn't treated Wonder Woman with distrust or irritation. He actually helped her several times.

But you're right in that Wonder Woman despised and distrusted him.

Probably the movie ticket from Zorro.

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>>87202093

It could, be, it could be.

>>87202111
He saw that she want Supes to go full Injustice mode. They seems to be fine with each other now tough. Thx based rebirth.

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There's this too.

>>87201773
And the idea of a bomb is just dumb, he can get it out, but something like Zur en Argh could be cool

>>87200172
An industrial strength condom.
The only way to stop a rogue Batman is giving him the Super-dick.

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>>87200733
>If this was Morrison's batman I would assume it was a post hypnotic command that put him in a sleep like state that he gave himself when he was experimenting with states of mind.

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Maybe it's a big bomb.

People tend to forget Wondy was closer to batman than to any other hero back in the silver age.

Diana was pushed by Lanafags that grew up to be Alan Moore, Waid, etc.

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>>87202254

Same issue where we learned about the boxes, in fact.

1/4.

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2/4.

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3/4.

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Batman choked a bit there, though.

4/4.

>>87202474
>>87202503
>>87202533
>>87202562
God, I hate SM/WW garbage so much, It's just disgusting. I still believe that new52 doesn't care about Diana. I mean, he doesn't care about womans in new52 in general. He just had sex with few of them, that's all.

>>87202394
>>87200733
>>87201083

I like this. I really do. Morrison established that Batman's greatest weakness is his ego. He's at his strongest when he asks for help. His weakness should be something related to the ego.

Maybe a kill phrase that makes him forget that he's Batman? A back up Bruce Wayne personality?

Its a passage from Good Night Moon

>>87202466
>Closer to Batman than any other

This is interesting. How so?

>>87202672
She loved him from JLA 97 to end of post-crisis universe. And he loved her too probably.

>>87202623
>A back up Bruce Wayne personality?

I really agree, it fits the character. Zurr was a "Feral" surviving mode personality, evil batman should need to be something that can't really fight back, i don't know, what about a personality that is 7 years old? waiting for mom and dad to take him to the movies, something like that.

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>>87202474
>>87202503
>>87202533
>>87202562

I don't know what's weirder about this sequence of pages.

If it is Wonder Woman not giving any crap about diplomacy or Batman being the level-headed diplomat of the Justice League.

I mean, one of Batman's iconic moments is him resigning from the Justice League of America to create his own black-ops kind of team because Superman and Wonder Woman didn't wanted to create a political crisis by helping Morkovia during a civil war.

Dr. Manhattan sure changed things around.

>>87202799
>Kid Bruce personality

It explains why it fucking disturbs Superman so much. And it would be something Batman would put in his head, maybe its something he found during one of his "I need to purge the darkness inside of me" phases?

Makes it being a quote from Good Night Moon all the more appropriate, especially going by Whatever Happened to the Cape Crusader.

>>87202891
What are in the other boxes?

Scratch that, what SHOULD be in the other boxes?

>>87202672

From the beginning of the silver age in the 50's to pretty much the end of it Batman and Wonder Woman were super close as friends. Justice League of America and the team-up book The Brave and the Bold constantly had them together.

There was no romance or anything, other than a really weird issue of The Brave and the Bold where Wonder Woman and Batgirl fought among themselves for Batman's affection.

But after Crisis on Infinite Earths John Byrne and George Perez took the opportunity to set-up Superman and Wonder Woman as a couple, so because of that, since the SM/WW thing was mined a lot, Wonder Woman became a lot closer to Superman than with Batman as she was previously. It also helped that Batman became this dark and troubled loner that was prejudiced against "metas".

Even after being shipped with Batman during the 2000's thanks to the cartoon influence Wonder Woman was still much more friendly with Superman than with Batman.

>>87202891
Yeah, actually that post gave me the idea

>>87202622

Batman in the Nu52 only had single girlfriend. Catwoman was just a mere fuck-buddy, with rapey vibes, and Julie Madison happened because he lost his memories.

Nu52 Batman's basically a monk.

>>87202996
What's what I'm talking about. New52 Bruce is absolutely joyless and loveless machine. Post-crisis Bruce loved at lest 4-5 womens. New52 Bruce don't love a single one.

>>87202938
Flash: Something that ties into the metaphysics of DC like the speed force does. Maybe a 4th world mother box that projects a weaponized boom-tube that can hunt down the Flash across time and space and suck him in like a blackhole? Multiversity establishes that New Genesis and Apokalips are beyond the speed force wall. They should have tech that can deal with it.

>>87202938

Green Lantern: Sinestro's Ring.
Cyborg: Grid's virus.
The Flash: Professor Eobard Thawne's Lightning Rod.
Aquaman: not revealed.
Wonder Woman: box is empty (or Superman's dick).
Superman: Kryptonite.

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>>87202938
Fuck my post got erased, but it should be either things that allow batman to win but in a real struggle, or that gave him time to bring some other hero, no insta win and even then it should be from studying the beheavor of the guys.

Flash: Some Organic nanobots that mess with the electric impulses of his brain. Batman would had infected him years ago, it messes his muscles control, and for a little less than a minute flash is as fast as a bullet, slower than the speed of sound.

For Martian Manhunter a "jamming" frequency that he can't identify, until he tries to find Batman using his psy powers, after "opening" that line the frequency would force visions of fire, alucinations to force a PTSD shock.

GL: Drug him out of his mind, no concentration, broken will under toxins

Wonder Woman: Some Zeus Stolen relic, something that would draw attention of the gods when broken and bait wondy into doing it.

Aquaman: A bat-shrimp based armor, just for the same of looking at a aqua armor with bat ears.

Superman: Lightbomb in the center of the sun. That will absorb the yellow light spectrum from half an hour, half an hour when he has to both keep superman in the solar system, and manage to defeat him, crazy space stuff, with a fight on the moon.

>>87200172
It was dumb anyway, you don't need anything special to take out Batman that's why they never do a "what if Batman went evil?" when he would be a less effective Ra's Al Ghul who can be taken down by the rest of the Batfamily alone

>>87203839
>you don't need anything special to take out Batman

Brother eye... And pre new52 Earth 51 are Batman going evil m8.

>>87203839

Batman's dangerous, bro. If Baman went truly evil he'd pose a huge threat.

I kinda want a story where Batman and Mister Terrific go full evil and try to rid the world of metas. It would be like Lethal Weapon. Just a white and black dude wrecking shit.

>>87203875
but they retconned it, now Brother Eye was Batman + Mr Terrific.

>>87203875

Future's End. He's responsible for that shit.

By the way, it's so fucking weird now to think that Jack Kirby's OMAC is linked with Batman.

>>87203839
It depends, as always, on who is writing him.

For Grant Morrison Bat God yes you do need something special to stop him. Other Batmen could probably be taken down by Gordon and a dedicated swat team.

>>87200300
>Batman's biggest weakness is his identity and wallet.

And his morality, which often ends up getting people killed

>>87201547
No one likes Barry. He's only The Flash for media synergy purposes. It's why he's shit in JL too.

>>87203914
>Future's End. He's responsible for that shit.

I didnt read that shit. And i won't do it. After countdown i can't

>>87204059

Just know that Batman doomed the whole fucking world killing almost all life on Earth.

>>87204091
>Just know that Batman doomed the whole fucking world killing almost all life on Earth.

I knew black robin was a mistake

>>87204143
"HES NOT A ROBIN HES SOMETHING DIFFERENT

>>87201450
>movie synergy

Why should the comic have to change for the movies? The comics and the fans of them were here first.

How about actually making the movies faithful to the source material for once?

>>87202093

No, he's gay for the Joker. It's why he never kills him. He'd rather see Metropolis die than the Joker.

>>87201547
Eh, I don't mind when they use some long and convoluted plan like in Endgame to justify it.

>>87204240
Its a meme. DC doesnt really do movie synergy
There are throwbacks like Bane's TDKR coat or Harley's jacket but they dont change the characters to be in sync with the movies.

>>87204307
he killed him in Endgame

>>87204240

>How about actually making the movies faithful to the source material for once?

It would be hard to explain the whole Superbro and Superdad thing in a movie.

>>87204382

They killed each other in a puddle of blood that formed a heart. Shit was gay as fuck. Some real star-crossed lovers bullshit.

>>87202562

Batman covering his jealousy with self-righteousness

>>87201115
Someone has never read anything with Aquaman in his entire life. Let me guess, you got your info from Family Guy.

>>87204425
I mean, still counts as killing. He could have let him escape but he didn't, the dyonisium stuff was right there too.

>>87202808
>Batman being the level-headed diplomat of the Justice League.

Ah, youre one of those "Batgod" fanboys

WWs right. If you can help people, you help them. Period. Laws should not be absolute, but right and wrong are

>>87204531
God you are a fucking idiot.
An ambassador can't do that kind of shit, much less Superman. you are the same kind of ass that defends interventionism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN9icwiN6io

What's in the box, DC? What's in the fucking box?!

>>87204531
>Ah, youre one of those "Batgod" fanboys
Where did you got that he is a fanboy?

>>87203914
>By the way, it's so fucking weird now to think that Jack Kirby's OMAC is linked with Batman.

Yeah I had the same impression with Solomon Grundy now being more associated with Batman to the public.

>>87204656
Solomon grundy is a gotham villian so it's fine

Half of this thread is good example of why shippers need to be gassed.

>>87204531

What? No. I'm talking about the Outsiders. Remember them? The team of misfits Batman created so that he could do exactly what Wonder Woman there said.

Wonder Woman was always the level-headed diplomat that managed to resolve political-crisis without a single punch being thrown. It was usually Batman the one complicating things.

>>87204646
>Where did you got that he is a fanboy?

"Batman being the level-headed diplomat Leader" He's clearly saying Batman is infallible and always right.

>>An ambassador can't do that kind of shit, much less Superman.

Of course he can. He has the abilities to

>>you are the same kind of ass that defends interventionism.

If innocent lives are in trouble, and you have the ability to help, you have the obligation to. If the law prohibits it, then break the law. Human lives should take precedence over what are basically just words printed on paper

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Can we post some Super-Bat moments?

>>87203839
A Batman goes evil story would be a contrast to a Superman goes evil story. Batman can't brute force it, he'd need to stay hidden or above suspicion, use assassination and decapitating strikes, work out how to reach superheroes he doesn't have easy access or counters to, and deal with the fallout of leaving supervillains unopposed.

>>87204805
>He's clearly saying Batman is infallible and always right.
The fuck?
Firstly, that's a hell of a fucking jump. How does pointing out one positive trait mean they called them infallible?

Secondly, he was saying that this depiction of Batman felt wrong BECAUSE it portrayed him as diplomatically tactful. He then goes on to cite that Batman previously acted contrary to this when he made the Outsiders.
So, the opposite.

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>>87204848

>>87204957

One thing i'd like them to explore if they ever did a story like that is Batman's tendency to mold young heroes into his ways.

For example having him turning the Teen Titans against the Justice League, making the young heroes turn against their mentors. Basically being Slade-y as fuck.

>>87200387
New52 Mother Boxes look ugly as hell.

>>87205060

Then Superman proves to Nightwing that Batman is the real enemy and we've Superman and Nightwing teaming-up to bring Batman down.

>>87204957
Batman v Superman is the best story with an evil Batman we will ever get, there is no point in trying to topple it.

>>87204475
>being this easy

>>87200387
Why did Crime Syndicate Aquaman (Sea King, iirc) just keel over and die again?

>>87200172
It's a post it note with "Martha" written on it.

>>87204805
>"Batman being the level-headed diplomat Leader" He's clearly saying Batman is infallible and always right.

No, he is saying that is funny to see batman in the diplomat role when batman is the one that started the outsiders, your hate for the character somehow morhped that into "batman is infallible".

>>>An ambassador can't do that kind of shit, much less Superman.
>Of course he can. He has the abilities to

An ambassador doing that means involving her country in a war, Superman doing that for them and not for others means superman is either an hipocrite. And the assumtion is right, if they go there why not just take over the world like the Authority.
>>>you are the same kind of ass that defends interventionism.
>If innocent lives are in trouble, and you have the ability to help, you have the obligation to. If the law prohibits it, then break the law. Human lives should take precedence over what are basically just words printed on paper.

Or a sovereign nation rights, or the freedom of other countries.

>>87205060

Batman has his own team.

There's several characters that would side with Batman if Batman believes is right, more than what more people usually believe.

>>87204656
No one remembers that Alan Scott was the original guardian of Gotham anymore. Not even DC.

>>87205713
DC remembers, the thing is they (or someone in particular) don't want Hal to have any real competition.

>>87200172
It's a picture of Clark's dick.

>>87203115
>Wonder Woman: box is empty (or Superman's dick).
suuure jan

>>87202950
>Even after being shipped with Batman during the 2000's thanks to the cartoon influence Wonder Woman was still much more friendly with Superman than with Batman.
suuuuuuuuure Jan

SMWW shipers are so stupid

Batman has always been the jack-ass that resigned the Justice League every other week because they didn't entered a political-charged crises head-on. Or who would go behind everyone's back to create some black-ops team that would only fuck things up. He was always like that.

Superman and Wonder Woman were always more level-headed. They'd use their influence and charm to study the situation and try to come up with non-violent situations amicable. They'd only do shit when there was no other way.

So yeah, it was pretty strange seeing Batman as the level-headed of the JL during the reboot. Fuck, man. Batman behaved like as if he was Martian Manhunter in JLI being all respectful and proud of Booster Gold's role as the JLI leader and trying to comfort and inspire Guy. Shit was bizarre as fuck.

>>87206139

It's the truth. Superman and Wonder kept appearing in each other's book and being "super-friendly", touching each faces lovingly other and hugging mid-flight. It's a dynamic that just stuck.

>>87206097
>>87206139
Are all shippers triggered this easily?

>>87201818
>Wonder Woman's the only box that was empty because according to Geoff Johns Batman doesn't know any weakness he can exploit.

Scott Snyder solved it

>>87206289
>Are all shippers triggered this easily?

I don't know, but I'm zero bullshit tolerance

>>87206288
>It's the truth. Superman and Wonder kept appearing in each other's book and being "super-friendly", touching each faces lovingly other and hugging mid-flight. It's a dynamic that just stuck.

bullshit, stop lying. smww shipers are the most fucking liars

>>87206456

Yeah, which made no sense. Why the fuck would Hephaestus create a lasso that could be used against Wonder Woman? And then let that shit fall in the black-market? Is he creating a whole arsenal that can be used against WW?

>>87206456
it's more likely that Johns didn't know any so he didn't come up with one, he even admitted that he never read much WW after months that he started wrtiing her

>>87206491
>>87206530
I'm going to take this as a yes.

A clay embryo.

>>87205757

Johns gave Alan tons of exposure, knock it the fuck off. He's one of the few guys there who loves the JSA and Alan was mostly irrelevant for decades before Johns came around.

>>87206530

Dude, i'm not a fan of SM/WW because i find that it robs something of both characters, but i'm telling you.

Before the reboot of 86 Superman and Wonder Woman were as distant as Superman and... i don't know, the Flash?

But after the reboot of 86 because John Byrne, the man handling the Superman books, and George Perez, the man handling the Wonder Woman book, decided to hook them up for a brief time tons of writers afterwards kept mining that relationship making them super friends that kinda wanted to fuck but not really.

Even after the whole shipping thing cooled off the Superman and Wonder Woman close friendship remained. They became as close as Hal and Ollie or Hal and Barry. This is something that didn't existed before 86. That's what i'm saying. Even after they had pushed the BM/WW thing, Superman and Wonder Wonder remained as tight friends, whereas before 86 it was Batman who was close to either Superman or Wonder Woman, with Superman and Wonder Woman being rather distant.

>>87206535
>Yeah, which made no sense. Why the fuck would Hephaestus create a lasso that could be used against Wonder Woman? And then let that shit fall in the black-market? Is he creating a whole arsenal that can be used against WW?

I can see hephaestus creating a counter weapon, gods are shady and a deceptive weapon is awesome. But falling into black market is the problem of the story.

>>87206582
>it's more likely that Johns didn't know any so he didn't come up with one, he even admitted that he never read much WW after months that he started wrtiing her

S. Snyder just came with others plans to defeat the JL, I think that Johns didn't even tried at all on Batman plans. Batman isn't between best of Johns writing

>>87206717
They hooked them up first because...well....WW was a canon creepy lesbian feminist icon that no one liked and was pushed by the cia+business created and backed feminist movement of the 70's.

They needed superman to throw himself on that horribly unpopular landmine to help sell her to the male audience who didn't give a shit and the female audience who were less then enthused about her canon existence.

>>87206717
Just let it go you're arguing with some ass devastated shipper. They just want to be told their OTP will be canon and such shit.

>>87206797
All his plans were bullshit man. Snyder never thinks these things through, he just writes some John McClain bullshit.

>>87200387
Batman's box was a gun
Aquaman's was a hair dryer, or else a goldfish in a bag and a gun with which to threaten it.

>>87205713
because that was never true to begin with

>>87206717
you read completely different comics than me. after joe kelly JLA, Hiketeia and Jimenez arc with batman, they got much closer than superman and WW. It was Batman that gave her ID and invisible plane, the blackest night special it was him that she loved and made her back to her senses.
No way superman was even close to her like batman

>>87206817
>They hooked them up first because...well....WW was a canon creepy lesbian feminist icon that no one liked and was pushed by the cia+business created and backed feminist movement of the 70's.
>They needed superman to throw himself on that horribly unpopular landmine to help sell her to the male audience who didn't give a shit and the female audience who were less then enthused about her canon existence.

someone is insecure on wonder owman feminism. This has zero to do with making WW sell, it's just a short term stunt

>>87206817

I can see that and there's also the merch potential. The idea was always appealing for the publisher, even before the 86 reboot when they weren't so close friendship-wise. We can't forget those issues of Lois Lane Superman's Girl-Friend in the 60's where Superman and Wonder Woman would kiss in some elaborate scheme to either teach Lois a cruel lesson or bait some horny villain.

>>87206797
>I think that Johns didn't even tried at all on Batman plans

Not a single one worked.

Take the ring. BAtman never tried to replicate the energy or learn how to use it.

>>87206881
>not liking bullshit plans

>>87206994
>Superman and Wonder Woman would kiss in some elaborate scheme to either teach Lois a cruel lesson or bait some horny villain.

hum there is one that was to protect Lois

>>87206995
>Not a single one worked.

Good, as it should be.

Throwing the Justice League under the boss for Batman is pretty dumb.

>>87206956
>This has zero to do with making WW sell, it's just a short term stunt

>Short therm stunts
>Not done to boost sales

...I
I..don't think you understand the comic book business.

>>87206910
Yeah, you read comics back in the 90's an 00's. Batman giving WW that stuff is actually a level of retarded batgod wank that just stupifies me.
Anyway, Batman and WW only became a modern thing because of the cartoon. And that's only because HW and GL were doing so damned well and every single story with WW completely fell flat with the audience or just made her seem more and more unrelatable and pointless.
Outside of that, those two getting together never made a lick of sense and was more "somebody has to fuck WW/fawn over her to make her less of a creepy gay fetish character".

>>87206910

I'm not talking romantically, anon.

Before 86 SM and WW hardly interacted. After 86, because of how the writers at the time wrote them together in an attempt to hook them up, this idea of them as being super closed friends remained. That's what i'm trying to say. Even after Joe Kelly's run in JLA, SM and WW remained super closed as friends.

You see what i'm trying to say? Let me use another example. Hal Jordan and Oliver Queen has been super-close ever since Dennis O'Neil's Hard Traveling-Heroes run. Right? But now with the Nu52 reboot Hal and Ollie aren't friends anymore. This is a new thing. There's a distinction.

The same happened between SM and WW/. Before 86 they weren't close, after though they became super close because of the initial shipping that influenced the entire new dynamic.

>>87207201

Not really. Bad plans are bad storytelling, Good plans are fun at least you are a fanboy.

>>87207201
That's dumb too, some should work some shouldn't.

>>87207310
The plans have never particularly been very "fun."

>>87207218

Do you even know what the batgod is? Or in your mind anything batman related that you dont like is batgod stuff?

>>87207218

>Anyway, Batman and WW only became a modern thing because of the cartoon.

BM and WW were super close before 86. She was constantly teaming up with him in The Brave and the Bold. She more than any other hero, in fact.

>>87207345

As someone said before, they are fan if you are not a fanboy, but i will asume you are the guy using batgod in a negative way, so you just dislike batman in general so it's impossible for you to enjoy it.

>>87207345
>>87207408

To be honest, Batman would have studied and testes his "measures" to take down the JL. Him knowing so little about the weapons he planned to use in such a dire hypothetical situation like the JL going evil is really weird.

>>87205288
He didn't survive the jump from universes iirc

>>87207345
it's more about the fact that, like it or not, Batman is supposedly a smart guy and a top hero so some of his stuff should at least work otherwise what kind of hope do some villains have to ever be a threat

that's why I liked, in some ways, Endgame where Snyder had Batman come up with things with the help of other people like the Atom.

>>87207408
Dunno who you're talking about as far as using Batgod negatively as that wasn't me. I like Batman just fine, doesn't mean I can't find those contingency plans to be bad writing.

>>87207359
How is batman giving ww the invisible plane NOT batgod wank?

>>87207365
Teaming up with =/= they were fucking or even an item. It could mean that they were trying to keep that failure relevant by teaming her up with someone who was relevant.

>>87207218
>...I
>I..don't think you understand the comic book business.

I get it, when I say short term on the case of 86 was just one issue, I guess it was a special anniversary issue of action tha thad superman and WW making out on the cover.
Best selling comics right now come from long building up, not short term stunts

Wonder Woman was doing very well on George Perez alone.

>>87207218
>Anyway, Batman and WW only became a modern thing because of the cartoon. And that's only because HW and GL were doing so damned well and every single story with WW completely fell flat with the audience or just made her seem more and more unrelatable and pointless.
>Outside of that, those two getting together never made a lick of sense and was more "somebody has to fuck WW/fawn over her to make her less of a creepy gay fetish character".

Cartoon helped a lot. The reason was that Batman and Wonder Woman had chemistry, it wasn't something planned. it just happened.
relationships doesn't always makes sense, but you put the dark knight and a utopian princess, it raises some sparks.

>>87207624

You talked as if WW being close to BM was some new and wild idea that came only because of the cartoon influence, when in the silver age they were the closest members in the JLA.

Sure, there was no fucking, but them being close isn't a wild idea.

>>87207518
It's not weird, it's plain stupid.
But Batman under Johns hands us usually worthless or just plain dumb.

>>87207624
>How is batman giving ww the invisible plane NOT batgod wank?

It's stupid, and everyone will think the same, now explain how is "batgod" related.

>>87207624

Batman didn't give her the invisible plane, dumb dumb. He set her up with a new job in the Meta-Human Defense whatever and the Diana Prince identity.

>>87200647
More like
>a note saying "Martha"

>>87207241
>'m not talking romantically, anon.
>Before 86 SM and WW hardly interacted. After 86, because of how the writers at the time wrote them together in an attempt to hook them up, this idea of them as being super closed friends remained. That's what i'm trying to say. Even after Joe Kelly's run in JLA, SM and WW remained super closed as friends.
>You see what i'm trying to say? Let me use another example. Hal Jordan and Oliver Queen has been super-close ever since Dennis O'Neil's Hard Traveling-Heroes run. Right? But now with the Nu52 reboot Hal and Ollie aren't friends anymore. This is a new thing. There's a distinction.
>The same happened between SM and WW/. Before 86 they weren't close, after though they became super close because of the initial shipping that influenced the entire new dynamic.

I understand what you are saying. Pre 1986 there were some team ups with wonder woman and superman.
On the beginning of post crisis I agree, but I fail to see it going on past 2000s. there was much more batman and wonder woman team ups and they got really close.
no doubt new52 superman and wonder woman were closer than batman/wonder woman. bat/ww on new 52 rarely interacted as friends. that was a big loss on where the duo was post crises.

>>87207652

>I get it, when I say short term on the case of 86 was just one issue, I guess it was a special anniversary issue of action tha thad superman and WW making out on the cover.

It was like several issues of build up in Superman's books and Wonder Woman's book before the actual kiss. Then you had the odd issues here and there in each other's books were they lamented the fact that they never dated for real and more arcs where WW lusted after Superman's married cock. The whole SM/WW went from 86 to 2001.

>>87207652
>I get it, when I say short term on the case of 86 was just one issue, I guess it was a special anniversary issue of action tha thad superman and WW making out on the cover.
>Best selling comics right now come from long building up, not short term stunts
>Wonder Woman was doing very well on
George Perez alone.
Not really no.
It wasn't outright shitting the bed, but not even close to as good as batman was.

>>>87207218
>Cartoon helped a lot. The reason was that Batman and Wonder Woman had chemistry, it wasn't something planned. it just happened.
>relationships doesn't always makes sense, but you put the dark knight and a utopian princess, it raises some sparks.

The chemistry didn't exist at all and was mostly just a thing that was occasionally brought up to show WW wasn't a dyke. Only after she was shown to be less relatable then the winged worfette and the relationship between her and gl was seen as unbelievably compelling did they bring up the WW and BM thing.
And only after they got rid of HW and made her into a pariah as well.

>>87207710
It only became a real thing AFTER JLU and not before. Unless you have some real proof.

>>87207754
Batman giving WW the invisible plane is BATGOD wank. It's like Batman giving Superman his fucking cape.
It's retarded on multiple levels and that people aren't upset by it only shows how weak WW is as a character.

>>87207764
Oh. Thought it was one of those random INVISIBLE PLANE ORIGINS that I'd not heard of before.

>>87208000
>It's retarded on multiple levels

Yes


>giving WW the invisible plane is BATGOD wank


Is not. But it's clear that Batgod wank means in your head "stuff i don't like with batman involved". Go fuck yourself

>>87200533
Wonder Woman actually did beat him like that once. So it's possible.

>>87207902
>It was like several issues of build up in Superman's books and Wonder Woman's book before the actual kiss. Then you had the odd issues here and there in each other's books were they lamented the fact that they never dated for real and more arcs where WW lusted after Superman's married cock. The whole SM/WW went from 86 to 2001.

still a stunt, wonder woman just had some dreams If I remember and it was solved in one single issue (not even her own book). The whole thing is so ridiculous, they made steve old just so she would lust for superman, screw george perez "feminism"

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>>87208000

Dude, before CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS Batman and Wonder Woman were 'super-friend' in that they were like Green Lantern and the Flash. JL/JLU wasn't the first time they became close.

Pic related, for example. Wonder Woman had more team-ups with Batman in this book than any other hero, including Superman. In Justice League of America they were always shown together. Fuck, there's an issue where Wonder Woman is sewing Batman's cape.

It was only after the 86 reboot that Batman and Wonder Woman stopped being close friends because of Frank Miller's influence making Batman this psycho loner that couldn't be seen with any of the JL and because Perez/Byrne were trying to set up SM/WW.

>>87208072
Batman giving WW the invisible Jet that is basically as iconic to her as the bat on batmans chest.

That is not batwank?

>>87208000
>The chemistry didn't exist at all and was mostly just a thing that was occasionally brought up to show WW wasn't a dyke. Only after she was shown to be less relatable then the winged worfette and the relationship between her and gl was seen as unbelievably compelling did they bring up the WW and BM thing.
>And only after they got rid of HW and made her into a pariah as well.

they could just choose another character, it's not like JLU was lacking male heroes to for WW hook up. and WW clearly wasn't a dyke

>>87208188
So...yeah.
WW was in Batman's books because she was shitting the bed and couldn't sell a goddamned thing.

At no pint in any of those books did they push them as a couple.

>>87208196

BATMAN NEVER GAVE WONDER WOMAN ANY INVISIBLE JETS!

Why are we talking about this? Why are we arguing about something that never happened in any continuity whatsoever, not even fanfics (probably)?

>>87208233

Who's talking about them being couples?

>>87205086
They really do. I'd kill for one that didn't look like it came out of Hellraiser. What the fuck was wrong with the old Kirby designs?

>>87206221
>Behaved as if he was Martian Manhunter

J'onn will always be one of the great super team leaders. Anyone got that Suicide Squad issue where he punks Batman? Its elder god tier.

>>87208196
No. It's just stupid.

At least you are not longer using the "batgod" therm, the batgod is a especific interpretation of the character that started in the 90's, preptime batman is a quality of batman as a character that lots of interpretations including batgod have.

And Batwank would literally be masturbation over batman doing "crazy cool" stuff that makes other characters look bad for the sake of making batman look good. Does that happens with the Plane? No, it's not crazy, it doesnt make batman look cool, it's just stupid.

>>87208234
>BATMAN NEVER GAVE WONDER WOMAN ANY INVISIBLE JETS!

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/6/6d/Invisible_Plane_001.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130921163459

>>87208234
He doest read comics, he wants to complain about batman, he is the same kind of guy that defends Batman Earth one saying it's their favorite version of batman.

>>87208233
>So...yeah.
>WW was in Batman's books because she was shitting the bed and couldn't sell a goddamned thing.

Batman wasn't a best seller on 70s and 80s. After dark knight returns Batman got better sales

>>87208348

Huh... that's dumb. I had forgotten about this.

Fuck, they really shipped BM/WW hard back then, huh?

>>87208319
>Anyone got that Suicide Squad issue where he punks Batman

I really hope you are not getting this from the thread yesterday.

>>87208348
Looks like its a replacement for her original plane.
You were acting like he gave her the iconic one.

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>>87208348

This proves nothing. Lucious Fox gave her the invisible jet because Lucious and Wonder Woman were dating.

Batman had nothing to do with it.

>>87208230
1.They weren't. Batman was super famous and "powerful" and they needed to have her fuck someone to give her some kind of depth and likeability. So they chose the most well liked.

2.She's the princess of an island of man hating lesbians who didn't leave said island till she was in her 20's during the white martian invasion in the first fucking ep of the series.
That's not to mention that one long, not liked at all, story about how one amazon and some random ninja lesbian were going to wipe all men off the planet and she wasn't that upset by the idea at all.
She's gayer then fuck.
They pushed that crappy steve trevor story, and then later the batman story on her so they can give her a personality outside of flying fighting magic brick from lesbian island.
Who could quite easily be replaced with one of the dozen more entertaining female characters in the JLU or with any other flying brick.

>>87208348

As long as is not the original one there's literally no problem about that

>>87208319
>>87208407
Was there a suicide squad thread the other day or something? I read the second trade volume of Ostrander's Squad and the scenes with Batman and MM really stood out to me is all, especially when he talks to Vixen.

>>87208348
she literally says it's not even as good as her original one and is just a stealth jet

>>87208261
We are.
What are you talking about.

>>87208345
I stand by my post.
Batman doing something like that is pure batgod batwank and you trying to split hairs about this only makes you look like an apologist and fucktard.

>>87208471

I don't even know anymore, man.

I was just trying to point out that BM and WW being close as friends isn't new.

>>87208451
Nah, someone posted some panels, and were "surprised" about the banter between batman and MM, it kinda pissed me off, after all J'onn was literally SuperAlfred to Batman for years in the team books, he was really fun to read.

>>87208425
I forgot to say it was the failed alan heinberg(same guy wrote her movie) soft reboot post infinite crisis.

>>87208471
What the fuck os anyone talking about. This started as a whats in the boxes discussion. How the fuck did we get to BMWW shipping?

>>87208500
Nah, you are a casual, a dumb casual that use buzzwords that don't understand.

>>87208543
SH...SHUT UP
BATMAN IS AWESOME YOU PLEB!!

>>87208525
So hes interested in BMWW shipping...intetesting.

>>87200172
A picture of his tiny, tiny penis.

>>87208319
Then he had fun poking at his "team" and J'onn wishing he was back to his usual brooding self.

>>87208443
>1.They weren't. Batman was super famous and "powerful" and they needed to have her fuck someone to give her some kind of depth and likeability. So they chose the most well liked.
anyone would do, she had a fling with trevor on WW2. just happened that the public noticed WW and Batman chemistry
>2.She's the princess of an island of man hating lesbians who didn't leave said island till she was in her 20's during the white martian invasion in the first fucking ep of the series.
they weren't man hating, they just didn't trust men,
>That's not to mention that one long, not liked at all, story about how one amazon and some random ninja lesbian were going to wipe all men off the planet and she wasn't that upset by the idea at all.
she just said that she didn't saw how men were so necessary. her land function very well with only woman
>She's gayer then fuck.
not so much, but she is bi 100% confirmed now
>They pushed that crappy steve trevor story, and then later the batman story on her so they can give her a personality outside of flying fighting magic brick from lesbian island.
>Who could quite easily be replaced with one of the dozen more entertaining female characters in the JLU or with any other flying brick.
ok

>>87208580

Wasn't BM/WW shipping a mandate thing back then?

>>87208570
I don't care if you like batman or not, you are a casual for using meme words without even knowing what they mean. /co/ is too friendly with casuals

>>87208710
No, but they wanted to do it and end it fast to stop fans from shippping

>>87208775

Fuck, man, but that shit was present even in Blackest Night.

>>87208710
i wouldnt say it was mandated as opposed is alot of writers followed the idea of them being close frinds and teammates.
SMWW in the nu52 was mandated to the point SMWW finally got a team up book only because they were dating.

>>87208716
>/co/ is too friendly with casuals
This. Cape discussion shouldn't be allowed.

>>87208823
But it wasnt shipping, she was sad about a former boyfriend that had died months before. I think DC handled it great:

They had feelings, great chemistry, and both know it wouldnt work. I always thought that and Lois are the reason people hated SMWW, it never felt organic and they broke up for bullshit reasons.

>>87209049
Lois was pure and simple character assassination.

>>87208692
>anyone would do, she had a fling with trevor on WW2. just happened that the public noticed WW and Batman chemistry
There was no fling, and the writers pushed them together HARD.

>they weren't man hating, they just didn't trust men,
They had an entire fucking storyline about how they hated men.

>she just said that she didn't saw how men were so necessary. her land function very well with only woman
I have no fucking idea of how a woman like that is pushed as a role model for women.
Secondly, she's an invincible immortal demigoddess of an eternally protected from everything island of lesbians who're also immortal and superpowerful.

>not so much, but she is bi 100% confirmed now
Canon manhating at worst, completely indifferent to males at best super dyke who fucked a dude once or twice does not equal bi.
I've fucked self proclaimed gold star lesbians. Didn't make them any less gay, just made them horny and susceptible to a guy with a big dick, some liquor and the ability to keep a secret.

>ok
Glad we agree.

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>>87200172
The more ridiculous thing is that he bothered to make a anti-Cyborg box.

>>87200387
He thinks that minuscule amount of kryptonite will be any help at all? Superman's box should be a bottle of orange soda laced with kryptonite; Superman loves it so much he wouldn't think twice about chugging it down. Aquaman's box should be a powder that instantly dehydrates him. Wonder Woman's box should be a really cool looking cursed sword that transports her soul to another dimension; she won't be able to resist grabbing it because of how cool it looks (Batman uses special gloves to handle this).

Batman's box contains a copy of Jason Todd's suit.

>>87202950
kek
>the entire relationship sounds like the love triangle in the early seasons of That 70's Show

>>87209745

>Wonder Woman's box should be a really cool looking cursed sword that transports her soul to another dimension; she won't be able to resist grabbing it because of how cool it looks (Batman uses special gloves to handle this).

Man, you had go straight to the phallic object that WW can't keep her hands off, huh?

>>87209745
JOHNS BATMAN IS A RETARD

>>87202140
>waiting for superman
He hasn't dropped them, forgot them, or anything.
It's just too heavy for superman to lift.

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>>87200172

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJVvrmLSTsg&feature=youtu.be&t=285

>>87200407
>>87200454
Or the BvS RT score.

>>87209947
Aside from Hyde being a paranoid gruff weirdo, I'm not seeing it.

>>87201994
>>87202076
>>87202093
Maybe he's mad because he knows Superman x Wonder Woman is terrible writing.

>>87202316
What happened afterwards? He has a point here.

>>87202316
>h-he is jealous!

Thank god this Superman is no more

>>87202474
Superman: Wonder Woman you casual. You didn't even read Peace on Earth, did you? Get out of here.

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>>87212585

Superbro was really insecure about Batman when it came to Wonder Woman, which was weird because Nu52 Wonder Woman didn't disliked Batman.

>>87213000

Fuck, i meant to say that she disliked Batman.

>>87212503
I think he went crazier cuz doomsday

>>87213000

>Don't worry clark, how many times i have told you, i don't like bad boys, no one wants a rich good looking smart boyfriend with a gigantic penis, i like yours more

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>>87213091

Batman showed up to help, which calmed things a bit, then Wonder Woman told Superman that the man deserving of her love would be able to control beat the infection and that Batman had explained to her that the virus responded to the mind state and that Superman could be able to control himself if he put his mind to it, which pushed him and made him revert back.

>>87213208

Superman has two giant pincers in his dick. Does Batman have that?

Checkmate, batfag.

>>87213471
A bigger shiny dick, and sexual martial arts

>>87213345
Oh. Too bad she didn't respond to the argument. Oh well. Thanks anyway.

>>87204957
It would be great if he was an Ozymandias sort of character where people didn't suspect him to be behind all the murders, especially if he was the one in charge of finding who was responsible since he's the world's greatest detective (similar to Light from Death Note "helping" to find Kira). The Question would be the one to figure it out and reveal it to everyone, and the rest of the story unravels from there.

>>87205713
How is that possible if Batman was invented before him? Or do you mean in some continuities?

>>87200172
bane mask

>>87200172
this box appears in FOREVER EVIL..

>>87200172
It contains evidence of Bruce Wayne's rampant tax fraud and money laundering.
With it, Superman can give it to the government so they'll take away Batman's greatest weapon: his money.

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>>87214690

Yeah, she sidesteps it.

>>87220562
Wow. Wonder Woman is terrible. Why does anyone push this ship? And of course it takes an evil version of Superman to ask perfectly reasonable questions. What's that supposed to mean?

>>87220562

Is someone aware if WW ever said she love Superbro later on?

>>87221416
I think she does but not in the exact words
>>87221345
Yeah early SMWW was pretty much them in fights like this. I mean they still fought but the later ones had a reason.

>>87221500

>I mean they still fought but the later ones had a reason.

It was still because of Wonder Woman. Peter Tomasi had her as a violent and non-nonsense person who only made things worse despite her desire to help out.

For example when she invaded the Pentagon doing lots of damage.to use her lasso on Superman's Daily Planet's co-worker in order to prove they didn't knew about Superman/Clark Kent thing, this back when his identity was revealed, when Superman was already working an amicable deal with the president that would see his co-workers released without a fight.

>>87221569
I didnt say they were good reasons. Like this >>87213000. Superbro has a good point. She could have at least asked.

But honestly alot of their fights Superbro would bring in Batman. I never understood why. He never really butted in past the initial part so why was he so insecure about Batman.

>>87221345
>Wow. Wonder Woman is terrible. Why does anyone push this ship? And of course it takes an evil version of Superman to ask perfectly reasonable questions. What's that supposed to mean?
SMWW always present WW at her worse. That is why I don't ship it.

>>87213000
>Superbro was really insecure about Batman when it came to Wonder Woman, which was weird because Nu52 Wonder Woman didn't disliked Batman.

didn't dislike? or she didn't liked him? nothing suggest she liked batman
>>87212438
>Maybe he's mad because he knows Superman x Wonder Woman is terrible writing.

this.

>>87221852

>But honestly alot of their fights Superbro would bring in Batman. I never understood why. He never really butted in past the initial part so why was he so insecure about Batman.

I think it was the fact that Wonder Woman never asked for Superman's help with her problems despite constantly being there to help him with his. That probably made him feel emasculated.

Which was something that Charles Soule because he was butthurt about Brian Azzarello not playing ball with the SMWW pairing. Brian Azzarello hated the SM/WW pairing, which wasn't in his plans, and thus never had Superman appear in his book, ignoring whatever plans Soule had for the couple. Thus the constant reminder in Soule's run in the SM/WW book that Wonder Woman kept Superbro at arms length and out of her life.

>>87221954

>didn't dislike? or she didn't liked him? nothing suggest she liked batman

I messed it up. See >>87213021. I wanted to see that Wonder Woman despised Batman initially.

>>87221966

Which is stupid. Soule was writing the Superman/Wonder Woman and was free to do whatever the fuck he wanted with both characters. He could have made tons of arcs where Superman helps Wonder Woman with her problems. Fuck, his book would have been the perfect place to showcase Wonder Woman's classic rogues.

He only focused on Superman's problems making Wonder Woman basically Superman's sidekick because he wanted.

>>87221966
>Which was something that Charles Soule because he was butthurt about Brian Azzarello not playing ball with the SMWW pairing.

Soule is a fucking joke

>>87221902
Yeah. They should keep Lois pure so she is a viable Superman lover. Otherwise the contrast is just too much. There's no need to drag Wonder Woman into it.

>>87222137
Thats why he writes for Marvel now.

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All these assblasted Batfags.