After Ryan Reynolds's success on Deadpool, would you trust

>>87150989
not if WB was still producing it. he'd run into the same dumbass cuts & mishmashing of scripts that they ran into in the first place.

I don't think Green Lantern wasn't even that bad, at least they tried to be funny and not all serious like Man of Steel or Dawn of Justice, which I felt were miles worse.

>>87153442

How could either of those movies possibly be worse than GL? I get if you liked them less because you like comedy or whatever it is, but to think that they are actually objectively worse?

>>87150989
Reynolds was miscast, and WB had no clue what type of movie they wanted. It's not Ryan's fault, but he wasn't right for the role.

>>87150989
>>87153544
I disagree. I think Reynolds SHOULD have been a pretty good Hal, he just wasn't given good material.

>>87153496
Dawn of Justice and GL were on the same tier, Zack

You did okay with MoS though

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>>87150989
No. Reynolds is pretty one note as far as acting goes and all the factors that make him a great Deadpool also make him a poor Hal, who honestly doesn't have much of a personality to begin with.

GL was WB blatantly trying to use that IP to replicate Iron Man even down to setting up a "Nick Fury" with Bassett's Waller.

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>>87155456
Le Snarky Dude is the only character that Reynolds has been able to keep audiences awake for.
He played Deadpool in Blade 3, and a watered down version of this basic character in Van Wilder.
He is basically able to play "a guy", he has about as much range as Steven Seagal.
He needs to keep riding this Deadpool thing as far as it will take him.

>>87150989

Honestly I don't think Ryan Reynolds was the problem with the movie. Even the Director and Writers weren't bad. They had Campbell who directed Casino Royale and Geoff Johns and Guggenheim who basically created this CW tv craze so now they can do their own thing. The studio meddled hard and the movie ended up bombing because of that partially. Shit Mark Strong was a based Sinestro. Honestly if they went with practical suits they could have saved millions of dollars for more space shit and made a better movie. It's too bad because the studio meddling and poor editing when you have decent directors and writers working on a project is eerily similar to the issues with Suicide Squad. David Ayer isn't bad and neither is Will Smith and Jared Leto but look what happened when you hire a trailer house to edit your movie and do a bunch of weird comedy reshoots? It's shit.

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>>87155730
It's amazing that it took them this long to realize they just had to make Batman into Tony Stark to get the ball rolling.

>>87155730
>who honestly doesn't have much of a personality to begin with
I don't think you know shit about Hal.

>>87150989

I never liked this guy

He's not even hilarious

>>87155848
damn you almost got me.

>>87155848
Is it really though? BvS certainly made WB money, but lets not pretend WB isn't disappointed in it. They had to continue on with JL despite the poor reception and are clearly trying to distance themselves from it.

>>87155804
>he has about as much range as Steven Seagal

Reynolds can at least be flippant or angry

Seagull cannot into emotions in any movie he's ever starred in, and only knows one facial expression, "Trying to look stoically badass"

>>87150989

This movie should have been so good on paper. Casting was good, directing was good, writers were on point but then studio meddlers come in and add writers and change the movie. The costumes pissed me off. Should have been rubber and plastic like every superhero movie would have saved them so much money which could have been used to make parallax look cool. Sucks that this has caused Green Lantern to be pushed back further than other heroes. Is Green Lantern the Thor/Hulk of DC?

>>87155979
I want to say he's the Daredevil of DC, but then he got a half-decent Netflix series.

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>>87155821
Reynolds never made us care about Hal.
None of the characters are particularly appealing, and the few who start out half decent do an abrupt and silly heel turn.

"More Space Shit" with additional cartoon pew-pew-ing would have achieved nothing.
The Big Bad was literally a shit-monster.

The worst decision was the inclusion of John's recent changes to the lore. The Emoshun Magic is barely buyable in the comic books, it was never going to lend itself well to movies.

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>>87156078
You'd have had to almost triple Daredevil's production budget to make it comparable to Green Lantern in any way.

>>87155730
>Hal, who honestly doesn't have much of a personality to begin with.
Bullshit, friend. I agree Hal didn't have a personality when first introduced and all through the Silver Age (however that was the norm for DC during the 60s), but that all changed during the last years of the decade.

The first instance of Hal actually showing any kind of personality (and thus development) happened all the way back in the late 60s when out of the blue Carol dumped him and told him she was about to marry some random dude. What did Hal do? Did he try to stop her? No. Did he try to fuck up the wedding? No. He accepted it, quit his job and left the city. Eventually he practically ended up as a traveling hobo. I think that event sums up who Hal really is; it might not be the most acceptable response (specially for a super hero), but that "fuck everything, I'm outta here" feel is quite relatable. And that is way I like Hal Jordan.

At the time he didn't really belong anywhere, excluding his role as a Green Lantern.
Despite being down he kept trying to do good though, because he could and all while his personal life really wasn't too bright at the moment, he didn't see why he should stop trying to help.

Hal is great. His overall career has truly been a roller-coaster, and while there really has been quite a few dips where he has been notably stupid or something of a dick, that's not all there is about him. His journey has been a quite notable one, and while people often point to specific times where he really wasn't doing too good, I still can't dislike him as a character as a whole because of it.
Hal is not a responsible all-around nice guy like Barry. He is not the crazily committed and focused Bruce type, nor is he the paragon of human virtue Clark type. He's just a cool guy who jumps into the action when he's needed (even if he sometimes fucks shit up in the process). In this way, he is the most human out of all the classic leaguers.

>>87150989

No! He's not a good Hal Jordan at all.

>>87150989
His success with Deadpool was largely due to his own passion for the character of Deadpool, you can't just swap in a completely different character and expect a similar result.

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>>87156208
>Hal is a great character if you follow him for a couple hundred issues.

Unfortunately you have just over 2 hours to sell a character to audiences, unless you are Batman.

Batman just needs a bitchin car and some freaky villains.

>>87156209
>if he was in charge of it
>doesn't imply acting in it.
Reading comprehension. Learn it.

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>>87156336
WB has lost sight of the fact that these sorts of pics are character-driven, in spite of having established that right at the very start.

They still think they can float them on sufficient Green Screen and overwrought costume-work.

Anyone saying Hal Jordan doesn't have a personality, I'd like to the point out JLA: Year or really any time he shows up written by Waid, and also New Frontier.

>>87155979
The mistake was trying to launch the DCEU with a GL movie, they should have gone with the Flash. Flash has a classic hero origin (stuck by lighting), easy to explain powers (runs really fast) that can still be visually interesting, a typical love interest (ignoring the whole being from the future stuff), and an extensive and colorful rogues' gallery. Plus he's Earth bound and lends itself easily to some levity and fun.

GL, on the other hand, is too high concept, and should rightly be the last JLer to get a movie. He's got the weirdest and widest set of powers. He's not bound to Earth, and he's part of a bigger "team". He doesn't have a regular rogues' gallery either, with his most iconic villains tied to a bunch of backstory and lore. My point is, GL is not an appropriate way to introduce casuals to the DCU, and as if that wasn't enough they decided to use the giant fear bug as the main villain for the first movie. Gimme a break.

>>87156513
So you are saying that Hal needs an ensemble of heroes to play off of to be interesting?

Maybe that's just indicative that he doesn't have sufficient character to carry his own story, and needs to be part of a group narrative.

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>>87156631
In what way is being struck by lightning a "classic" hero origin?
It's pretty much random dumb luck.
There's no Hero's Journey or really any impetus to be a hero or costumed adventurer at all.

Also, Flash's Rogues as a whole are almost too silly for a corny television show, excepting "I"M SUPER-EBIL NEGA-FLASH!" faggotry.

>>87156654
It's cape comics bud, all of them have other characters to play off of.

>>87156451

I don't need to learn anything dummy. Even with the best script in the world, he still isn't good enough to depict a good Hal Jordan.

Do you get it now?

>>87156837
You can point to Miller's Daredevil or Year One as great character driven stories, or Simonson's Thor, and some of the great Superman stories revolve around Supes being Supes.

It's telling that he recommends Hal stories where Hal isn't a particularly important player in a larger ensemble narrative.

>>87156781
>In what way is being struck by lightning a "classic" hero origin?
It's a random science-type accident. One of the three classic origins: born with powers (Supes, Wondy, X-Men), self-made (Bats, Iron-Man, Punisher, Blue Beetle), and science accident (Flash, Spidey, Fantastic Four, Hulk).

>>87156974
Have you read New Frontier? The story is largely revolved around Hal.

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>>87157036
Maybe I need to re-read it, because I don't remember New Frontier revolving around Hal any moreso than MM or anyone else.
>>87157025
Radiation gone awry =/= "bad weather did it". Even if you had a bottle of bleach on your desk.

Flash's origin is "what if this random Billionaire was sitting at home reading the markets when a Bat flies in and bites him and now he is Batman".

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The key element of the GL mythos is that the ring sought out an Earthman with exemplary qualities, and that the movie gives Hal absolutely none of the qualities.

It'd be like some random asshole picked up Mjolnir after Odin sent it to Earth, and used it to be a dick.

>>87157476

This movie was so bad for 2011 standards.

I would trust him as a producer hired to make sure they don't make the same mistakes again.

I don't think I would cast him as Hal Jordan for a second time though. Maybe give him a cameo as Guy.

Lantern needs to be rebooted as a buddy cop trilogy.

Hal joins GL and goes on training with Sinestro. See movie Training Day with Denzil Washington. Sinestro is imprisoned by the Guardians at the end.

Hal and Sinestro on a multi planet mystery. See 48 Hours. As sinestro is released from Oa Prison and teamed up with Hal until the case is closed.

Hal and Sinestro are fugitives as they have been framed. See tango and cash. Turns out Sinestro was actually guilty and set up Hal.

>>87157314
>Radiation gone awry =/= "bad weather did it". Even if you had a bottle of bleach on your desk.
It's a straight forward explanation for his powers, which was what I meant with "classic hero origin", perhaps I should have specified that as I think you think I meant something else.
Even if weather did it, it still clearly falls falls in the "got powers by accident" category.
Gamma bomb to the face, now he turns green.
Irradiated by cosmic energy, now they are weird.
Bitten by radioactive spider, now he has spider powers.
Blinded by chemicals, now he is super blind.
Struck by lighting and bathed in chemicals, now he is fast.

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>>87157674

That's all they needed to do.

>>87155804
>Le Snarky Dude is the only character that Reynolds has been able to keep audiences awake for
>>87155730
>Reynolds is pretty one note as far as acting goes

It's not /co/ related, but he was pretty decent in 'Buried'.
Hell, it was just Reynolds in a box for an hour and a half and I thought he did a damn fine job.

>>87158294
It was nothing special in a film hardly anyone saw, and no one cared about, except Reynold's hardcore fanbase.

Basically Cavill's entire career before MoS.

>>87155876
I like your standards, anon.

Most people are like "they're not even funny", but you've gotta take it higher and settle for nothing less than hilarious.
Fuckin' a.

>>87158494
>It was nothing special
I thought it was pretty good, but I'm hardly a large amount of moviegoers.
>hardly anyone saw
Okay, fair point.

>except Reynold's hardcore fanbase
That's not me, I thought it was an interesting concept.
Him being in the role held no sway over me watching the movie.

What I'm getting at is that he does have the capacity to do other roles, but seems to limit himself to the same role.
If he'd branch out more, I'm sure he could pull off great things.
However, I doubt it will happen.

>>87158715
Hollywood is full of actors capable of doing a decent job in a role that isn't particularly demanding and comes with low-budget expectations.
Yes, he can act at a workmanlike level.
He set out to be a professional actor, and he's been in a hundred minor things.

>>87150989
no