Let's get it straight. Did Ozai love either Ursa, Zuko,

>>87104973
She was a selfish bitch. What more is there to know?

>>87104973
lol no
He only bothered with them if/because they were useful.

>>87104973
There was only one episode that even came close to mentioning Ozai as a deep down good person and thats the episode where Zuko talks about how Ozai saved him when he was a toddler about to drown. Because of this many people came to believe that deep deep down there was a man who cared about his family.

The comics on the other hand only depict Ozai as a idiopathic nut-job who treats Zuko like shit not because he is a disappointment, though Zuko is that, but because Ozai is a petty asshole who was pissed at Ursa.

Ursa in the show is only ever presented from Zuko's memories and even then it was a small moment in her life and Ursa in the show is a goddess of goodness and Grace. In the comics Ursa is a flawed women forced to marry someone she didn't love and who was both mentally and physically abusive. When she found a chance to get away from Ozai she took it, but he wouldn't let go of the children. After Ursa returned home and found her old love she was given a choice, slowly go insane over the thought of her children with Ozai, or forget everything, she took the cowards route.

Basically the comics only really conflict with Fan Canon, what people assumed was true. Nothing inaccurate was made peeps just pissed their head canon is wrong

>>87104973
Going by how hot and ripped Ozai is, I doubt that she didnt enjoyed at least a little having sex with him.

>>87104973
>Did Ozai love either Ursa, Zuko, or Azula?

No, as far as the comics go Ozai doesn't care about his family, even Azula is just a pawn.

>Did Azula love Zuko?

Yes, which is actually pretty tragic as in cofuses the shit out of her. That said, Zuko telling Azula he cared about her no matter what, was probably the best part of the comics

>>87105053

We're talking about Ozai, not Ursa. In the cartoons you can argue she loved Ozai but the comics make it clear she didn't. Did she love her kids? Loosely since she ditched them, and Azula even more so.

>>87104973
>Did Azula love Zuko?
Not at first, but he grew on her when he stopped being banished.

>>87105485

Saving a baby sounds like a normal thing, especially when he's your son. If you're very cynical you can say he only saved him because he was the heir. Either way it doesn't make it good.

Ursa was shown through the rosetinted glasses of her son in the cartoon but I still say she's presented in generally differently. Ursa in the cartoons doesn't seem like she'd just run off from her kids and mindwipe herself, nor would she make petty letters to make her hubby mad.

>>87105625
To be fair she ditched them because they were essentially taken hostage though she did basically decide to abandon them via wiping her memory rather than live in constant worry about them. So she DID care about her kids but she was too weak of a person to stick it out for them even if she could only remain true to her promise to Zuko.
>>87105762
To be fair it's not like she made the letter so she could make him jelly with how much better her ex was at laying down the dick, she wanted to out the fact he was spying on her. However it probably should've been a foregone conclusion, knowledge of it helped her in no way, and she dragged her son into it. So Ursa isn't just a bitch, she's a stupid bitch.

I just feel bad for Azula who is the victim in all this. She never had a chance because one wanted her as a weapon and the other ditched her.

>>87106335
Scrapper accept your ban like a man and move on

>>87106335

The kids always end up screwed when the parents suck. Sadly she and her brother had two awful parents.

Azula is a sad case. She's pretty much a schizophrenic in a pre-20th century society and the only one who likes her is her brother. It sucks that the comics retconned Ty Lee's and Mai's relationship with her to the point where they want nothing to do with her.

>>87106599

I'm not Scrapper but I agree with him that Azula had the shit end of the stick.

>>87106672

That makes it all the more better for when she gets her happy ending.

Why couldn't Ursa have used her COLORLESS, ODORLESS POISON to kill Ozai if he was so shit?

>>87106899

There's a reason even Azula fans write her as having an unhappy future. I can't see her suddenly becoming a well-liked, sane person with a wife.

>>87107021
In the comics, at least, both Aang and Iroh seem to want to fix her. Zuko does as well, of course. Who knows what will actually happen, though.

Honestly I feel like Ozai is pretty much the product of his own upbringing. He and Iroh probably were very much like Zuko and Azula. He's a shit father, and an awful person. But Azulon was probably the same way towards him.

>>87107021

She can and well.

>>87105670

What? No, she loved him even beforehand.

>>87104973
Lets get this straight: did Ozai cucked Ikem, or Ikem cucked Ozai? Or is it ursa that cucked one of them?

>>87107443
I mean cucked barely means anything anymore. Ursa and Ikem were in an actual relationship before she was literally forced to marry Ozai. So I guess technically Ozai cucked Ikem.

>>87107443
Ikem got cucked.
Ozai and Azulon coerced his girlfriend into marrying him and taking part in their eugenics experiment under threat of violence and destruction of their village

>>87108203
>>87108240
But didn't Ikem fucked Ursa while she was promised to Ozai?

>>87108203
>>87108240
Ursa left Ozai and started to live with Ikem, and even had a kid with him. Ikem revenge-cucked

>>87108389
Ursa was literally exiled from the Fire Kingdom. It doesn't get more divorced than your ex can't come back into the country.
>>87108366
That was a ruse as far as I know.

>>87108455
>It doesn't get more divorced than your ex can't come back into the country
C'mon, it was very clear Ozai still wanted a piece of that ass in the comics. He even tries to scare her, like the old times.

Ursa is a fucking shitty character in the comics. I still don't get why the Avatar creators were nudging Nickelodeon to make a spinoff dedicated to her recovery.

>>87105485
>slowly go insane over the thought of her children with Ozai, or forget everything, she took the cowards route.
Wait you're saying Ursa's a coward because she didn't want to go insane?

>>87108863
Because originally Zuko was going to find her in the finale, which probably means she was still banished but didn't run into the mother of faces and was just living a life in some colony somewhere.

>>87108366
Nah, she just wrote that in a letter because she wanted to trick Ozai into revealing that he had been stopping her letters from leaving the palace and reading them.

It backfired horribly and just pissed off Ozai, causing him to go "Well if you want to pretend that Zuko isn't my son, how about I play along too. Azula is best child anyway"

>>87104973
The only one that loved Zuko was Azula, and Iroh. No one loved Azula.

>>87108937
Now I'm picturing Ursa writing crazier and crazier shit in each letter to try to get Ozai to mess up before giving up and saying Ikem was Zuko's dad.

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>>87108975
>No one loved Azula

This is why she got the worst of it all.

>>87108975
>No one loved Azula.

Not an Azula fan, but I never understood why this. Zuko was given all the chances in the world, even a few by his own father. Yet, Azula was cast aside by her Mother and Uncle without a second thought of redemption.

>>87108975
This. Iroh was the only one who really love zuko and azula. Ozai got complete control over azula and Iroh just decided to be a father figure for zuko.

>>87109099
I'm pretty sure Azula realizing this was part of the reason she had her breakdown.

>>87109099

Because they are all bastards. While everyone dances and has fun poor Azula is treated like an animal and locked away.

>>87107443
Ikem was the one who got cucked since he really love ursa. Ozai didn't love her and she was basically one of his a sex slave.

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>>87104973
Ozai might have cared about his family at some point but that was no longer the case by the time of the events we see in Zuko Alone.

>>87109160
>While everyone dances and has fun poor Azula is treated like an animal and locked away.
When were people dancing and having fun without Azula?

>>87109099
>wishes that her uncle and cousin die in war
>laughs at her brother when grandpa says he is going to kill him
>attacks Iroh after surrendering
>cheats in an Agni Kai
>rejects Zuko's offer to help her and then decides to start kidnapping babies

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>>87109348
>cheats in an Agni Kai SHE called for

>>87109348

She is just lashing out. she should be greeted and calmed with love.

>>87109270

The end of the show.

>>87109099
>>87109155
Ursa didn't cast Azula away. That was all in Azula's head. Her mother just didn't know what to do with a developing psychopath.

>>87109540

You don't know jack shit about what makes a psychopath so shut the fuck up.

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>>87109621
Ursa recognized there was something wrong with Azula and that there was little she could do about it short of just taking her out of the environment Ozai was providing for her, which was impossible to do. Better?

>>87109540
The thing is this is based off ancient China, so no one would acknowledge her as a psychopath. To Iroh and Ursa's eyes they should've only saw her as a misguided child instead of knowing what a mental disorder was.

>>87109651

No she ditched her daughter who only wanted to be loved and forgot about her so she can have the daughter she always wanted.

>>87109689
On top of that it's not surprising Zuko was willing to just lock her away and forget about her. They'd know shit about mental health.

>>87109521
Fuck off Scrapper

>inb4 I'm not Scrapper despite being identical to him in every single way

>>87104973
Azula likes Zuko most of the family.
She might genuinely be non-sexually Yandere for him.

Can we stop with the whole "Azula is a psychopath" meme? Psychopaths are unfeeling monsters who are selfish in desire and animalistic in nature. Azula has been shown to long for love, hold a bond with her backstabbing friends, and cry because she is alone. She is the complete opposite of a psychopath.

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>>87109691
Nothing wrong with ditching the crazy cunt for someone better

>>87109781
You're right, the correct term is sociopath.

>>87109791

Go kill yourself Azula is perfection.

>>87109795

She's not that either so stop calling her that.

>>87109781
She has also wished for the death of a lot of her family members

>>87109791
Kiyi's handled this whole thing better than I thought someone in her position would.

>>87109820

That's normal. She never acted on it which makes a difference.

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>>87109813
>perfection.
>not even Ursa's favorite daughter or Zuko's favorite sister

>>87109813
>A sociopath can be defined as a person who has Antisocial Personality Disorder. This disorder is characterized by a disregard for the feelings of others, a lack of remorse or shame, manipulative behavior, unchecked egocentricity, and the ability to lie in order to achieve one's goals.

Sure as hell sounds like Azula.

>>87109781
put your trip back on
and then get out

>>87109837

Because they have unrealistic views for morality.

>>87109843

Except Azula wants to be none of that.

>>87109855

I'm not him but I belive in what he does.

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>We'll never have a decent discussion about Azula again

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>>87109883
>Azula wants to be none of that.
Well, right now she wants to be a ghost that kidnaps babies in order to turn Zuko into a ruthless dictator

>>87109917

She's just toughing him up. If anything it's proving she is no longer just thinking about herself.

Okay can we just skip all the bullshit and get to posting incest screencaps?

>>87109907
>tfw no honor

>>87110010
Finally! Someone said it. Summon incongitnyous

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>>87109907
That old man needs to get laid

>>87110068
Couldn't he just pull an Iroh and hire a mudkingdom prostitute?

>>87109907

Just admit that Azula is not at fault and I'll pipe down.

>>87110046
>>87110032
>>87110010

No that's fucking stupid. As a pro Azula guy I don't support that ship.

>>87110077
Too beta for that. He didn't even try to hug Korra to cope a feel of Aang's new huge rack.

>>87110094
of course she's not at fault
she has a severe mental illness that requires treatment and prevents her from being in control of her own actions

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>>87110094
Sorry buddy, nearly everyone else in this franchise is held responsible for their actions regardless of how much their past has influenced them. Azula's not exempt from that.

>>87110137
This was such a funny moment because they all looked so damn miserable but they still bothered to order food that they weren't touching.

>>87110120

No, she was a victim of circumstance

>>87110158

Yes she is. Someone who is both as beautiful and skilled as Azula should be given everything their heart desires.

>>87110193
Azula, go home. Your brother and mother want to work things out with you.

>>87110177
>two royals and a noblewoman
They ain't touching that shitty food

>>87110177
Shame that we didn't get to see more of Zuzu's awkward small talk after the North Pole

>>87110222
>a few pieces of lettuce
>two carrots and what looks like two potatoes
>lin's apparently not drinking anything
>tonraq has soup but no spoon
I guess Zuko ordered for them.

>>87110208

I just to relate to Azula is all. People don't know how hard it is to have meaningful relationships when you were never taught the basic fundamentals of love. And it isn't for the lack of trying I have read many books about understanding love.

>>87110284
It's great you can relate to her but believe me, she's still different from you in a lot of ways.

>>87110299

How so? We both harmed animals and family members as a child. we both used to hold ourselves at the highest regard, and we both have been holed away.

>>87104973

well. I can't say, but let me share just one thing.

LOVING someone and LIKING someone can be very exclusive

>>87108524
Why would he want that when he had his own daughter?

>>87109063
>>87108975
That's not true, he may have hated and distrusted Azula but Zuko still loved her

>>87110437
>can be very exclusive

It might be because I should go to sleep, but I honestly don't know what you mean Anon.

>>87110332
Yeah? Did you have a mental break down after your mother left your family for old dick and you found out that the pedestal you thought your father had you on was a sham while trying to kill your brother?

>>87110332
The main difference is no one wants to fuck you.

>>87104973
He never loved them, but he did value them at one point of time. Ursa for her heritage, Zuko and Azula as heirs. They were all pawns to claim his legacy.

>>87110543

Not enough to let her free with no restrictions.

>>87110597

I had a breakdown over how alone I truly was. all my accomplishments and skill doesn't mean dick if there isn't someone to share it with. That's why I am trying so hard so get love. I just haven't found the right method yet.

>>87110606

Very easy when you flash some money.

>>87110659
Just because you love someone doesn't mean you don't stop them from being an unstable terror to the people. What kind of stupid thinking is that?

>>87109181
>in which we try to look like we're not ripping off Trigun but fail miserably

Can we talk about how lame it is that Bryke never considered breaking up the ATLA romance couples?

Who the fuck stays with the person they met as a teenager? It's bullshit that all three major couples would do that. One of them would break up, logically.

>>87110726

Azula is not an unstable terror. She's just a teenage girl for Christ's sake.

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>>87110764
I wish we saw long running series do it more. Like, the whole childhood sweetheart thing has such a tiny probability of success and it's so over represented. Plus I just love me some angst.

>>87110764
>One of them would break up, logically.
Sokka and Suki are my money on likely break up. Both are too committed to their own societies to give it up for the other, and Sokka has had multiple love interests over the series.

I can see Mai and Zuko breaking up eventually, but that might be more wishful thinking since they are awful toward each other and for each other. But some creative types like that kind of angsty, unhappy couple since its easy fodder for drama.

>>87106672
>It sucks that the comics retconned Ty Lee's and Mai's relationship with her to the point where they want nothing to do with her.

Not really a retcon. The foundation of their friendship was their fear of her. Take away the fear and all the nice memories start to become hollow. She indirectly threatened Ty Lee and purposely put Mai's brother in danger.

>>87110764
I think they're only doing it because they don't give as much of a shit about shipping as the fandom does (remember Katara and Aang were originally just going to hug at the end but Bryke knew the Zutarans would see it as proof they weren't romantically involved) and think of this as putting their foot down.

>>87110829
IIRC Bryan once said something implying Suki and Sokka stay together. We don't know if they get married or anything though.

>>87109099

Doesn't Ozai love Azula? I didn't read any comics, just watched the show, but it seemed that Ozai clearly favored Azula because she reflected him. More ambitious and ruthless, more fit to rule the Fire Nation than her older brother, just like he felt about Iroh.

At least that's how it felt from the show.

>>87110858
This, it's not a retcon that Ty Lee and Mai went on with their lives and realized how messed up things with Azula were before deciding to not have anything to do with her.

>>87110868
>IIRC Bryan once said something implying Suki and Sokka stay together.
Honestly, Bryke say a lot of stuff that they later contradict themselves on either in show or in later interviews. Really it just meant they don't give a shit about what happened to Sokka or Suki.

>>87110939
Yeah I know but as it currently stands Suki and Sokka somehow made things work out.

>>87110950
Probably, Gene Yang seems to like them as a couple and he's the only person allowed to write Atla books.

>>87110974
From what I remember Yang was told he's not allowed to fuck with the status of any of the relationships, but they must have given their blessing to break up Maiko. Probably because we all know they're going to get back together.

>>87109741

Isn't Azula mentioned in LoK at all? One would think that Zuko would have wanted to make peace with Azula, and undoubtedly she would have been very useful for post war Fire Nation. As much as she's called a psychopath, I think she just had more affinity for Ozai because he was the only one who gave her positive feedback, but if she were to get it from Zuko and his fellow Fire Nation by helping them with the restoration, plus seeing the cost of war for both the Fire Nation and the rest of the world, she would change her mind, eventually, and work with her brother.

>>87110988
>From what I remember Yang was told he's not allowed to fuck with the status of any of the relationships
All he was told was that Aang and Katara had to stay together. He claimed to have relative freedom outside that. Either he likes the status quo relationships, or Bryke changed their mind after giving their initial blessing.

>>87111013
They never go to the Fire Nation in LOK so if Azula recovered and made amends with Zuko, she apparently didn't do much that extended outside of her own home country.

There were theories she helped develop the United Forces or whatever they were called but that remains to be seen.

>>87111013
>As much as she's called a psychopath,

Without merit.

>>87111025
He's a Zutaran too iirc. Guess he felt the next best thing he could do was break up Zuko's relationship.

>>87111013
>I think she just had more affinity for Ozai

Who is a psychopath. Why do you Azulafags always try to excuse your waifu's behavior instead of embracing them?

>>87106983
Ozai just dying would be suspicious and wouldn't really improve their situation because then she'd just have Azulon hawking over the family instead of Ozai.
The only reason she got away with poisoning Azulon is because Ozai was in on the act and was able to step into the power vacuum immediately and make sure nobody asked questions.

>>87111117

Because there is no such thing as a hot psychopathic woman.

>>87111090
I don't know about Zutaran, but he did say Zuko was his favourite character. Which I can understand, its much easy to conjure up plots for post-ATLA Zuko than it is for most of the other characters. Unlike everyone else he ends the series in a new, dynamic role of ruling a defeated nation.

>>87111119
Maybe she could have arranged something, though? Something to allay suspicion?

Or maybe she's not that clever. I'm sure she'd have killed them both, if she'd had the chance.

>>87111132
Yes there is. She's called Azula

>>87111191
Getting away with the murder of a king and prince? Not likely.

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Here's a segment that makes me curious. Azula warns Zuko about how Azulon and Ozai intend to have him killed, and after their mother overhears, she manipulates her into intervening. She pretends to look like a scared innocent little kid, but then she does that "keikaku doori" smile in the final panel. What was she up to here? Was she trying to set into motion disastrous events that would break her family? Was she doing it in an attempt to get rid of potential competition and secure an opportunity to climb higher in the royal hierarchy? Or was it all about just toying with people for the lulz, with no regard for the consequences? Or was her malicious taunting her twisted way of showcasing sibling love, and her end goal was to save Zuko's life?

>>87110887
you pretty much hit the nail on the head. Ozai did care for Azula, but he is a egotists and they can only truly love themselves and their own goals. Ozai manipulated Azula into becoming the monster she was. But she did know right from wrong. As far as her sanity goes, I think she was so dependent on the people close to her either fearing her or loving her that she could not take it when everyone seemed to abandon her. She tried to hate her mother but in the end she was subconsciously crying out for her mother, causing such a level of mental conflict she began to breakdown.

>>87111191
Well, to be honest, I like Ursa but she doesn't come across as somebody who was either smart or courageous. Also, she had literally no allies in tge Palace, everyone was working with Ozai down to the old lady who found Ursa's letters, so it's unlikely she would have found anyone politically influential enough to be both capable and willing to cover for her double regicide.

>>87111321
It almost seems like her end goal is to save Zuko, here, but she's such a twisted little shit I can't be sure of that.

At any rate, Zuko and Azula have the most interesting relationship in Avatar. It's clear that they're both massively fucked up, but at the same time they both seem to care about each other in a strange way. They need their own comic all to themselves.

>>87105485
Which doesn't even make any sense because the show goes out of it's way to tell you that Ozai is a one-note, generic evil guy who doesn't care about anyone or anything.

I mean our first introduction to him is the son he maimed for making a suggestion.

>>87106672
>retcon

>>87111373
>They need their own comic all to themselves.
While I agree because they have the highest stakes in the plot, at the same time, fuck that. The comics are always better when they step away from Zuko and his Fire Nation drama.

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>>87104973
Did Zuko love Ursa?

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>>87111373
Yeah, I feel the same way. If Azula had wanted Zuko dead, she could've just kept her mouth shut instead of telling him about what was gonna happen. There are a couple of other instances where she does something to help him out as well, despite seemingly not getting any advantage from it. I think she does care about Zuko, but since she's a fucked-up person who gets a kick out of emotionally tormenting people, their sibling dynamic is complicated.

>>87111445
>surprised, but not opposed to the idea of porking her son

>>87111445
Zuko doesn't even love Zuko

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>mfw Ozai raped Zuko's mom.

>>87112307
It's okay, he forced her into marriage first
you can't rape your wife

it's a very important part of the fire nation constitution

>>87110764
actually other than Aang/Katara which couples from the original series do we know definitely stayed together?

>>87112673
Everything points to Mai/Zuko staying together.

>>87110332
>We both harmed animals and family members as a child
Woah, so did Scrapper.

How much do you and Scrapper have in common?

>>87110659
>all my accomplishments and skill
>implying you have any of those
What are they? Managing to get banned 50 times for derailment and shitposting?

>>87112686
Ursa/Zuko is endgame and you know it.

>>87113100
keep the royal blood pure

>>87110789

A sociopathic cunt of a teenager who is beyond help

>>87113182
Ursa isn't royal blood.

>>87113609
Avatar blood is just as good

>>87113813
does that mean that Zuko might try to marry his grandson Iroh to Jinora?

>>87111013
>Isn't Azula mentioned in LoK at all?
No, ironically Sparky Sparky Boom Man gets more mentions there than Azula, Suki, Mai and Ty Lee combined.

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>>87112686
At this point they would be better off breaking up permanently. We all thought that Smoke and Shadow would bring them back together but it did nothing more than show how bad their relationship is:

>Mai is happier with random new guy than she ever was with Zuko
>The whole time Mai and Zuko spend together is with her passive aggresively insulting him
>The retarded drama after Zuko tries to throw her boyfriend in prison
>Zuko being capable of having more normal conversations with Suki out of all people than with Mai
>no reasons at all given to why they should stick back together since Zuko spends the climax of the story with Azula and Mai does it with her boyfriend and her dad
>the out of nowhere break up wth new guy

>>87114437
Because 'angsty love is true love' anon. Rule of cheap drama.

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>>87110988
Yang did end up breaking up Hakoda-Kya permanently

>>87111655
I think it's a combination of her actually caring about Zuko in her own not entirely healthy way, and that by doing stuff like this she is able to convince herself that she "won". Azula's convinced her mom hates her after all, and by saving Zuko's life, at least in her mind, since Ozai would probably convince Ursa to eliminate Azulon without Azula's eavesdropping, and then later helping him earn back his title in Ba Sing Se, she's proven to herself that mommy's favorite wouldn't be alive without her and that she's undeniably better no matter how biased Ursa was. It also gives her leverage over Zuko, since she believes that's the only way to maintain a relationship.

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>>87104973
The whole thing always seemed really shitty and preschool level to me.
>Ozai is an evil guy
>He has to be evil and cold in all aspects of his life and at all times.

It would have been a way more affecting story if Ursa had genuinely been charmed by him and fell in love with him until his ambition drove him into becoming the shittiest dad in the world.

I fucking hate these comics. They flanderize everything.

>>87114637
What are you talking about? The comics are the only part of the story where Ozai has something resembling a personality

>>87110789
Aang's not an all powerful master of the elements. He's just a 13 year old for Christ's sake.

>>87111321
I think the reason she looked so devious was because she was hoping Ursa intervening would get rid of her (which it did) because of course she resented her for treating her like a monster

>>87110032
>tfw Incog is making a grown-up watercest doujin
All of my christmases

>>87116472
>incog
>not doing lanky looking pedo shit
madness

>>87114458

Who dat gurl

>>87116758
Probably Hakoda's sister.

>>87116758
Her name is Malina and she's responsible for modernizing the Southern Tribe.

I honestly didn't even think Ursa was alive.

>>87110858

It was a retcon. It's true the relationship wss based off of fear but there did seem to be a genuine connection between at least Ty Lee and Azula. It seems off to think Ty Lee would just completely abandon Azula and is freaked out by her.

>>87117284
Isn't that exactly what Ty Lee did in season 4 though?

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>>87116758
She's an architect in charge of rebuilding the Southern Water Tribe after the war.

>>87111321
>keikaku doori
In english!

>>87111321
>Was she trying to set into motion disastrous events that would break her family
anon, if she didn't do that, Zuko would be killed. If she wanted to 'eliminate competition', she could just let Ozai kill him.

Perhaps, just Perhaps, she cares about her family.

>>87109689

18th or 19th century, not ancient.

>>87111655
That's not really canon, you do know that right? it was for the movie.

>>87117284
>It seems off to think Ty Lee would just completely abandon Azula and is freaked out by her.

Everyone is freaked out by her. Have you seen her eyes?

>>87116835
nah, Hakoda is cucking her brother.

>>87110829

They better not bloody break up Sukka. That's bull. They were the best couple in the cartoon but they're unpopular due to Tokka.

Tbqh, Bryke has themselves in a corner. We know due to TLOK that Aang and Katara stayed together. We can also guess Mai is Izumi's mum. Sokka and Suki however are ambiguous because Suki is never mentioned at all. It was irritating but they ignored her. I'd rather Suki having died in her 20s or 30s and Sokka being a widow then having them break up.

>>87117632
C'mon Zuki!

>>87109181
It's a shame. From that comic I thought they were trying to paint Ozai as a more fleshed out character. Then the later comics went "nope, he's just evil".

>>87117632
Sukka's end game, they had a short comic about how fucking perfect they are for each other, it's not going anywhere.
The biggest threat was >>87117665 for all of 10 minutes but if Zuki was actually going anywhere they would have done something with it during the fuckton of time Suki has spent in the Fire Palace, especially when they had a trilogy of comics concerning Zuko's relationship with Mai. The Zuki ship is well and truly sunk as far as I can see.

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>>87117618
The highest offense in our fair Tribe.

So how much incest is there?

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>>87114054
Nope

>>87117886

Link to that comic?

>>87117886
It's not like I'm all for Zuki, really,but it could come back, hell I'll be happy if he gets together with some no name person really, so long as he doesn't get back with Mai.

My real hope is Zuko and Azula can just set aside their differences or play hard on their differences and make that a selling point for that relationship.

>>87118138
>nonstop hatefucking
Neat.

Azula did nothing wrong

>>87118138
I'm not saying it can't come back either, just that logically, if that was the angle they were going for, they've missed a good dozen opportunities to integrate it into the storyline, so it seems unlikely from where I'm stood.
Also, from a logical standpoint, he will be getting back with Mai.

>>87118117
SPOILER: It's shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfJ2a_c98A0

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>>87117632
I want Sukka and Maiko to break up so we can get Zuko and Sokka's Excellent Adventures

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>>87118185
>Zuko slamming into Azula after a yelling match
>"I hate you! I hate you!"
>"Not hard enough! Fuck me Zuzu!"
>Azula pushes him off of her onto his back and mounts him, slamming down on him repeatedly
>"How does it feel to be overpower by your little sister, you pathetic weakling!"
>Zuko roars and starts to push up against her in retaliation, both of them meeting loudly a few inches off the floor, cussing loudly in the space between them.

>>87114458
Kya's death did that.

>>87120215
Not according to Katara's eventual overreaction

>>87120560
Katara's freak out will probably be because Hakoda is dating the woman responsible for her home being transformed into something she doesn't recognize and symbolizes a change that she isn't ready for. I don't think Katara would really mind if her dad decided to start dating again.

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>>87114437
There were already signs that their relationship wasn't that great in ATLA.

>Zuko tries to talk to Mai about how conflicted he is about seeing Ozai for the first time in years
>Mai basically tells him to shut up and that she doesn't care

I mean back then we all thought it was funny because Zuko was so angsty, but now that I'm older I find it to be pretty messed up.

>>87120560
Katara's reaction is the same as Sokka's right now, but if she does have a problem, the comics did a good job of making sure that Malina is somebody Katara didn't really like BEFORE she knew she was dating Hakoda. Also, Hakoda had ample time to tell his kids what was going on but didn't, which I can see why Katara would find aggravating.

>>87110757
What are the odds Bryke like Trigun? It arguably was not as popular as Cowboy Bebop or Outlaw Star. Did Adult Swim / Toonami give any reruns?

>>87120818
>It arguably was not as popular as Cowboy Bebop or Outlaw Star.
It was still pretty damn popular, it's not unreasonable that he likes it.

>>87120597
Not to mention that it would be extremely hypocritical of Katara to be against it because of "Muh mom" when she is such a hardcore GranGranxPakku shipper

So if you were writing this series and had to give some semblance of humanity or sympathy to Ozai, how would you do it?

>>87122845
try and get across that he does care about the fire nation, he's a nationalist who wants what benefits the people of his country and he sees leadership as a responsibility as well as a privilege. It doesn't really require you to change any of his actions but it gives him an understandable motivation.

>>87122845
>>87123207
Also make him prone to anger and a terrible father but have it that he has a way of thinking things in a strict way that makes sense to him but not exactly the way that other people learn it.

>>87122845
Don't have him try to torch the earth kingdom in season 4

>>87124156
>season 4
What are you talking about?

>>87124225
Three and four are right next to each other on the keyboard, Anon. Mistakes happen. Probably.

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>>87122845
I wouldn't really make him sympathetic, it isn't needed for the guy than Aang is told that he has to kill no matter what and also the guy tht burned his son's face.

His personality from the comics is fine, someone so up his own asshole that he believes that everything he does is right and that only cares about his own children as tools to gain more power, yet has his own view of a world where the strong should rule over the weak.

The problem is that he hardly has any screentime in the show. He only shows up in 3 non-finale episodes of Book 3, one of which is only in Aang's sleep deprived hallucinations.

What I would fix is completely replace The Beach with an episode focusing on Zuko, Ozai and Azula's relationships and maybe have the Azula arranged marriage subplot that was dropped from the show to kickstart her insanity a bit sooner. Zuko learns earlier that the person that he has become to make his father proud isn't himself and that Ozai only cares about him because he proved himself useful in the war.