I'm excited. You guys excited? http://www.ew.com/artic

>>86947440
>Bendis
nope

>>86947472
Well it didn't take long for /pol/ to show up.

>>86947440
So another of Bendis OC's is better than the original what a shocker, how long until Tony call her the real iron man?

>>86947440
not really. most probably its gonna be the typical Marvel way to show intelligence (telling us how smart she is!) instead of the right way to show intelligence (showing us how smart she is).

But from starters, all i know about her is ... nothing. Only that she is smarter than Tony. And Black. And its Bendis writing it, which means we wont know anything else for a couple years.

>>86947617
They never left

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>>86947440

The worst part about this whole diversification of things is that in reality nothing changes. Yeah the character(s) got a reskin but they're still being written by the same person so at best nothing will really be any different and at worse, considering Bendis, will be completely disingenuine. Yeah Riri is a black woman but she isn't being written by a sheboon so all we are going to get is Bendis' cringeworthy attempt at being a Black person ala "#FinallyWoke" and "How do you do fellow kids"

>>86947440
If she's so smart, why'd she name herself after an iron-man porn parody?

>>86947720
So you would prefer that Marvel hired a WoC like they did for World of Wakanda?

Why is it still called IronMan of it is a chick?

I mean at least cover it with IronWoman or something
Like when Robin was dead, and the Batman and Robin comic kept covering up Robin name for guest character of the story like Batman and Wonder Woman

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>>86947748
Because everyone called him out on a chick being called "man" and he picked the first adjective marketing approved of.

>She's SOOO fucking SPECIAL, she went to MIT at just age 16. And she's black. And She's a woman. And she's smarter than Tony Stark. And she somehow managed to make her own iron man suit, in private, in her dorm, by herself, despite the fact that you would need a giant factory to make one of them. Please love her, and adore her and buy her book, or else, you're just a racist, sexist, homophobe.

I hate this character. I hate literally everything about this character. This character is literally a concentrated dose of what Marvel has been doing for the past 5 years. This is a god awful character and I hope they never bring her up again in 3 years.

>>86947891
Its gonna be changed to Iron Heart.

>>86947864

I'd prefer they get a good writer that doesn't rely on "SHOCK! O:" value alone to sell comics

>>86947928
well it's pretty obvious Bendis isn't smarter than Tony Stark if that's the first thing he went with

>>86947440
Excited for what?

>>86947440
I literally forgot about this until OP brought it up. It doesn't matter that RiRi is smarter than Tony Stark. She's still living in a world where most of the heroes are super scientists, or highly intelligent.

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>>86947940
get with the times

>>86947440
How much they pay you really? Is worthy at least for supporting Bendis/Marvel's retarded crap?

im giving this character a year before she goes away and everyone will forget about her

>>86947940
>despite the fact that you would need a giant factory to make one of them.
But Tony Stark built one in a cave with scraps.

>>86947940
> MiT at age 16

616 is tripping over child geniuses.

>>86947985
>It doesn't matter that RiRi is smarter than Tony Stark.
Indeed it doesn't matter because she'll be written by Bendis, which means she'll be asking redundant questions every panel, make dumb decisions, say stupid shit to sound hip, and generally just be boring and unlikable.

>>86948049
Not like this though.

>>86947985

All the media hype for this has died down, and Marvel must know know that no one wants this, but they STILL have to follow through with it. It's hilarious. I bet even Tumblr stopped caring.

>>86947999
There's nothing really new about the character. Kid and Teen Geniuses existed way before RiRi.

>>86948046
He built a shitty one that looks like a barrel.

Black Mary Sue here literally built a replica of Tony's current suit

>/tv/fucks are buttfurious about RiRi being a genius despite being a child
>Amadeus Cho literally exists

Fucking kek

>>86948082
But this one's black while the original character was white, so everyone on here has to hate it to fit in.

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>>86947940
Sounds familiar

>>86948131
Not from /tv/ and I don't like this character.

>>86947440
>This shitshow
>excited

nigga, I hope you brought lotion, cause you be jackin alone.

>>86948143
Again, that's not really new. Steve Urkel, Tucker Foley, and AJ all did the same thing. RiRi isn't doing anything new.

>>86948155
She's barely had any screentime. No shit you aren't going to automatically get attached to a character you havent had time to bond with.

>>86947704
You can't show how smart someone is when they're being written by a very dumb person.

All they can do is have characters scream about how many PhDs they have while in the middle of a fight.

>>86948148
Sounds pretty much like your average action movie.

>>86948247
None of those replaced a white character :^)

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>>86948261
>All they can do is have characters scream about how many PhDs they have while in the middle of a fight.

>>86948249
They've told me all I need to know to dislike her.

>>86947440
So are these young black women the smartest in the Marvel Universe due to their hair?

There is literally no reason to hate Riri unless you're a /tv/fuck or a /pol/ack

>She's smart and a kid!
Yeah so is Valeria Richards, Amadeus Cho, and Peter Parker

>She's replacing Iron Man!
Doom is you non-reading fucks

>She's a bad character!
She literally has less than 3 issues of screen time.

>>86947940
>managed to make her own iron man suit, in private, in her dorm, by herself, despite the fact that you would need a giant factory to make one of them.


She steals parts from other students and faculty around the school and assembles them in her room.

>>86948290
Neither will RiRi because black nerd/teen genius has to personality or interest outside of their nice. The only one who comes sorta close is Carlton despite being older.

>>86948343
>She's written by Bendis!

>>86948343
So basically, I'm not allowed to dislike the character, if so I'm racist.

Never mind the fact that I'm black myself.

Didn't we just get a black female super genius with Moon Girl?
I'd rather they keep trying with her because at least them we get Devil Dinosaur.

>>86948343
What about the fact there was already a perfectly good black female they could have used instead of a new character with hair that cannot fit inside the helmet.

>>86948119
She had more time and better scraps and specs.

>>86948261
>All they can do is have characters scream about how many PhDs they have while in the middle of a fight.

Don't tell me, Bendis did this?

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>>86948343
>She literally has less than 3 issues of screen time.
why are you even trying to defend her? they don't give a shit.
>mfw i hope it's good but everyone's gonna shit all over it before issue 1 is finished printing

>>86948384
Moon Girl is THE smartest. Riri ranks below her somewhere I guess.

>>86948399
Rhodey's niece would make so much more sense but don't act like you actually give a shit about that character.

>>86948381
it's not impossible to hate your own anon, just look at elliot rogers

>>86948381
Sure you can. Just don't be racist while explaining why you don't like her.

Just like plenty of women and male feminism-supporters were about to clearly and unequivocally dislike the new Ghostbusters because they didn't think it was funny...without going into sexist crap whilst so doing.

>>86948381
Literally give me a reason why you dislike Riri when she's barely a character yet.
>>86948399
Then you'd complain Marvel doesn't make new characters.

>>86948459
>Sure you can. Just don't be racist while explaining why you don't like her.
Oh, so I'm also not allowed mention that she's a very obvious attempt at pandering and building "diversity"?

>>86948421
He pretty killed any character development Ewing made with Blue Marvel over the past few years in one panel

>>86948381
That anon left out characterfags. You're either /tv/, /pol/ or a characterfag

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>>86948488
Here we go

>>86948488
Can you do so without it sounding like a diatribe from /pol/ (which is an entirely possible thing to not do)? Then sure, go for it. If not, well, guess how you're going to look?

>>86947891
At least Robin is a unisex name.

>>86948472
>Literally give me a reason why you dislike Riri when she's barely a character yet.
I've seen more than enough from the introduction of the character to dislike her

>>86948501
Then explain why I have no problem with Miles Morales, despite the fact that he's "replacing" Peter Parker?

Because I'm clearly a racist for disliking RiRi?

>>86948521

He has a legitimate point. I'm sure you have ignored all interviews from Marvel concerning her though

She doesn't look Japanese.

Or naked.

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>>86948506
that's cringy. that's very cringy. who thought that was good writing?

>>86948488
Was Nadia Pym an obvious attempt at pandering and diversity?

>>86948131
Cho's pretty fucking annoying too about that, but at least they had him establish his chops behind Hulk and Herc before putting him on the big stage.

Plus they took the time to have him work out his place in the pecking order.

>>86948497
>>86948506
It's amazing how much a writer can fuck up a character with so little.

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>>86948347

So she's black and a thief?

>>86948575
Bendis.

Because he's dumb.

>>86948554
>Then explain why I have no problem with Miles Morales, despite the fact that he's "replacing" Peter Parker?
Because you have shit taste?

>>86948076
I'd be more inclined to read this if they went full high school spinoff with it. Riri as a socially deprived and psychological mess of a teenage girl thrust into a college environment and superhero career she's not ready for, a bitter Lila Rhodes in a boss new War Machine armor with an unhealthy fixation on one-upping Riri, some rich Chad Thundercock who spent daddy's money on a custom built Crimson Dynamo, a hick kid with too much time and access to a machine shop in a scratch built Iron Monger, a hippy, radfem, SJW, genderqueer, pankin, demiromantic post-sexual, freegan, anarchist with an apartment paid for by mom and dad and a Melter harness.

>>86948571
I read comics. I dont watch press releases. If you /tv/tards actually did that then you wouldn't have a problem.

>>86948588
Yes. Only difference is she's pandering to waifufags not niggers.

>Iron Man is by far the most popular hero Marvel has now thanks to the MCU
>They replace him

They could replace him with literally anybody of any age, color, nationality or gender and it would still be fucking retarded. Marvels inability to capitalize on the MCU's success goes to show how incompetent the comics division is

>>86948488
No, that's not a valid reason for disliking the character, that's correct. Do you hate certain comics when you find out the creator's a douchebag in real life? For a concrete example, Garfield was designed from the ground up to do nothing but make money, but that in and of itself is not a reason to dislike the comics.

>>86948571
>>86948488
>obvious attempt at pandering and building "diversity"
So?

>>86948614
>Reading shit comics
You're part of the problem sport. But keep buying shit like this and Civil War II.

>>86948614

>I read comics

So do I. You're pigeonholing anybody who disagrees with you so trying to have a discussion is pointless

>>86948472
Not the same anon, but I just don't care about her rather than outright hate her. Marvel has oversaturated the legacy heroes concept. But above that, it'll be Bendis writing a Bendis story, which doesn't make me check her out.

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>>86948521
he's right, anyone actively following marvel's tracks can see they're trying out diversity to odd degrees. I mean new heroes are cool, but it shows they don't believe in making new heroes or that they can sell on their own, they instead put them in place of or under established heroes most of whom are white (if they ain't all white). Hoping to sell their thin viel of diversity off the names of said heroes. it's pretty lame, she could have been her own tech hero who builds her own iron suit and named herself Silver dynamite or some shit. could have been a streeet level iron man people could relate to like spiderman. But nah. ride those big named coat tails.

>>86948506

What was Luke's response? Why the fuck should having a PhD or Master's Degree give you any kind of authority, moral or otherwise, outside of those specific fields?

>>86948617
/pol/ has revealed itself.

>>86948630
/tv/ has too.


These threads are just big ciriclejerks for /tv/ and /pol/

>>86948627
It's rarely done well. These characters are not made with a story in mind. They're made for shock value, to drum up outrage and sales.

You'd know this if you weren't a retarded newfag.

What I think is that Bendis realized he couldn't make good on his promise of revitalizing the Ironman comics like he did with Avengers, so this his attempt to catch lightning in a bottle once again by pulling a Miles Morales with the Ironman franchise.

But since War Machine is already the black Ironman in many people's minds, and the fact that Ironman is nowhere near Spider-man in terms of popularity, I'm sure her stint as the title's main character will only last a year or two. (or three, knowing Bendis' love of excessive decompression and two page spreads.)

>>86948627

Diversity for it's own sake is never handled well. The character is already secondary to the goal

>>86948656
Good thing we have you here tumblr to save us.

>>86948620
It's pretty impressive that you're this business illiterate. Using comics to capitalize on the movie's success is like saying the guy at the dealership's an idiot for not selling you a new air freshener when you buy a new car. The money comics make is a fraction of what the movies do. At this point, they're more test beds for new stories than anything else to Marvel. Kneejerk reactions to things like this generate a ridiculous amount of publicity for the things that actually make them good money. Comics are Disney's new loss leader.

>>86948652
>but it shows they don't believe in making new heroes or that they can sell on their own


>What are Nuhumans?
>What is The Initiative?

Hmm I wonder why Marvel thinks legacy heroes are more profitable

>>86948662
>It's rarely done well
Yeah, cause Ms. Marvel, Cho Hulk, Nu Superman, and Ghost Rider are all such god awful books.

>>86948656
Kill yourself. Buying shit comics doesn't make you better it makes you worse you dumb fuck. You're why Bendis gets free reign to do whatever he wants.

>>86948682

See >>86948706

>>86947947
I hope that jap porn company sues

Will Riri bomb like Champions?

>>86948549
>Can you do so without it sounding like a diatribe from /pol/
I gave a good set of reasons as to why I dislike this character.

I have no problem with Miles Morales, I don't have a problem with Duke.

I just don't like this character. Disliking this character doesn't mean you're from /tv/, or /pol/ or (insert group you dislike here)

>>86948682
They literally couldn't be bothered to make a character who wasn't just perfect in every sense of the way.

With a character like Duke, there you had a character that went from small, being in the Joker invasion, losing his parents to then being Batman's new partner.

RiRi, she's perfect in ever single way.

>>86948686
>Anyone who disagrees with /pol/ is tumblr

Kill yourself.

>>86948746
>I gave a good set of reasons as to why I dislike this character.
Which post? I missed it.

>>86948746
>They literally couldn't be bothered to make a character who wasn't just perfect in every sense of the way.
To be fair, a good portion of the blame for that lies with the fans that throw a shitfit if their favorite character makes a mistake.

>>86948773
see
>>86947940

>>86948656
So you bumping the thread and bringing/falseflagging tumblr shit into the mix doesn't make it worse?

>>86948690

Yeah and if Marvel comics actually made money off the movies you would have a point but control was ripped from them entirely by Disney. They get nothing. And don't talk to me about Business as if you have a clue. The movies in themselves are not the real money makers. The merchandise that they sell is where the real money comes from and if you can increase your revenue in any area you should do so instead of saying "lol who cares!?"

>>86948706
>Ms. Marvel
Ruined by the forced crossovers
>Cho Hulk
Mediocre
>Super-Man
Good for now
>Ghost Rider
The art was what carried it.

And in contrast we have Whor, Miles, and Sam who are all terrible or mediocre. And with Miles we can see exactly what Bendis will do: Fucking nothing.

>>86948148
Sounds like a bollywood film

>>86948816
Fuck you I like Nova.

>>86948797
Point out a tumblr post ITT

I'll wait.

>>86948759
>Anyone who says nigger is /pol/
Kill yourself. I knew you'd be triggered by that you fucking newfag.

>>86948834
Fuck off Loeb
>>86948836
>REEEEE PEOPLE SAID NIGGER
Newsflash newfag: That happens here.

>>86948836
see
>>86948343
>>86948459
>>86948549
>>86948656

>>86948717

Not all those characters are diversity for the sake of it. Especially not New Superman. Amadeus Cho has been around for a long time and was a Hulk fanboy. You must see the difference

>>86948877
>anyone who challenges me is tumblr REEEEEEEEE

>>86948459
Well for one her hair cannot possibly fit in the helmet.

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>tfw into girls who look like Riri but hate this pandering bullshit.
Aldo is Riri her real name and not a nickname? I know black people give their kids off names but they wouldn't name their kid that.

>>86948846
>>86948873
>>86948877

>These are tumblr posts

Kill yourselves you underaged autists

Not even remotely

>>86948903
Calling people who dislikes this character /pol/ or /tv/ isn't challenging anyone.

>>86948903
You like being stuck in a loop, huh? Ouroboros.

>>86948898
Sorry. I don't know where you draw your arbitrary diversity lines. I draw mine some place different.

>>86948905
Yes, I also think that's pretty dumb. I agree with you, that's bad design.

Anything else?

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>>86948913
Fuck off tumblr. Go jack off to Bendis in your safe space.

>>86948717
Super-man is not an attempt for "diversity"

I fucking hate Bendis.

I fucking hate these attempts of pandering for diversity points.

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>>86948903
>Anyone who doesn't LOOOOVE RIRI is /pol/ or /tv/
Christ you're a retard.

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>>86948701
>>What are Nuhumans?
>>What is The Initiative?
how are those doing
also
>NuHumans
lol

>>86948655
What if Blue Marvel has a PhD in Philosophy with a focus on legal and judicial ethics?

>>86948966
Yes. Why does she even exist when there's already a super-smart black girl who actually has a connection to Iron Man?

>>86948816
Kid Nova is diversity how ?
aside from being superior suffering man ?

>>86948974

He's not even a minority in his book. He's literally less of a minority than any other hero since he's a Chinese man in China.

Also he's not a complete Marty Sue who's super competent at everything.

>>86948974
>chinese superman
>chinese trinity
>chinese writer
>chinese country with over a billion chinese
That's like a bajillion diversity points.

>>86948999
>implying I've even formed an opinion on her yet

>>86949005

Does he?

>>86949023
That's a good question to ask. In fact, it's one of the central flaws with her entire character, really.

See, this is the kind of shit I'm talking about when I say 'point out her flaws without getting racist'. Congratulations. Good job.

>>86949029
half mexican

>>86948905
>>86948966
It really ain't that much hair padded down.

>>86949056

So Constantine is a diversity book because it's not in the US? Good to know

>>86949098
Anon pls. Constantine is white. He might count for being bisexual though.

>>86949002
Thanks for proving my point.

>>86949056
And the fact that he's Chinese is the joke. The joke that the Chinese are making copies of American things.

Not mention, even if Kenan Kong was a just a diversity attempt, which it's not, he at least has a things called "character flaws" and he has another call "an arc". Remember those?

>>86949070
So he is white cis male ?
How is that even diversity? Is he at least god-loving catholic ?

>>86949110

>Scouser
>White

>>86949065
Maybe, smart people in comics tend to accumulate PhDs in various fields.

>>86948035
Not likely considering it's Bendis' daughter.

>>86949154
>>86949110
Jesus Christ, you are mad as fuck.
And no one ever said that, even though it's been made clear many times, no one said that you're not allowed to have a nonwhite character.

>>86949144
>he has another call "an arc". Remember those?
Yeah. But I mean he's also appeared in more than 3 pages to be fair.

>>86948810
They are increasing revenue in movies and merchandise by decreasing revenue in comics. Proportionally speaking, that's a no brainer. And with control out of Marvel's hands, it's even easier since it's someone with no attachment telling that division to make less money. You're not very good at thinking more than half a step ahead, are you?

>>86949110
are you saying that chinese people arent as privilege as english people ?

Lmao

>>86949154
Nigga what? I was just telling you he's half mexican because you asked what the fuck do you want?

>>86949126
by not answering my question?

>>86949023
Because then Bendis won't get royalties. It's baffling to me that no one uses this whole thing as an excuse to look at bad business practices that harm comics and creators and have been for years instead of just kneejerking at the latest diversity grab.

>>86949222
I mean that's not really what I said but yeah sure. China is shit.

>>86949204
And where the fuck can Riri go? She's already at the top of the mountain. She's smarter than everyone, she already has her own Iron Man suit, she's already in MIT and more than like its getting A+ in all her classes.

The fuck can the character go from there.

>>86949199
>>86949231

Just surprised that murkans consider central americans as non white.

Also how long till we go full animu with miles's harem ?

>>86947440
Am I excited that a Bendis book won't sell well? Fuck yeah I am.

>>86949233
Did you even read what you were responding too?
>poster 1: Why don't marvel make nu characters
>poster 2: They keep failing
>you: Those things you said are failing have all failed so you are wrong.
>poster 2 again: th-thanks?

>>86949270
It's perfect because capes have been doing their hardest to stop changes and character development for decades now. With Riri, since there's nowhere for her to go, they don't have to jump through hoops to keep the status quo like they do with Peter Parker or the X-Men.

>>86949270
Maybe she gets dragged to the bottom by losing her scholarship or whatever and getting some murdered parents or something and gets punched by somebody. I mean I'd take it there.

>>86949270
>The fuck can the character go from there.

Down.

>>86949273
Color and ethnic divides within "white" people are every bit as complicated as in other racial groups.

>>86949270

Down. It's all downhill from here. This is the difference between Riri and somebody like Kenan Kong.

>>86947440
>New Legacy Iron Man
Considering how long we've had a Legacy Thor and Legacy Cap, it's nice that they finally completed the set. And we've certainly never had a black female Iron Man. But I feel like the final product would be more interesting if it wasn't written by Bendis.

>>86949205

They did not have to decrease revenue in comics to achieve that

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>>86949307
i don't know if they're failing cause i don't have any comic book stores in my neighborhood. i just assumed he was reading them and wanted to know how they are so i can keep my eye out for it. sheesh

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Maybe posting the preview for the first issue will promote positive discussion!

I don't actually care either way, but whatever

>>86949406
>positive discussion
pffft

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>>86949406

That third panel is prime Bendis

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>>86949406
Christ, how can anyone like this character?

>>86949436
I honestly just gave up.

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>>86949430
I mean I'm not stupid. I know exactly where I'm am.

Anyway, previews done. You can return to your shitposting.

>>86949373
You can't just magically increase revenue, you have to put effort into it. The way they're going about it, they're using comics as advertising. This costs them much less than buying air time because the comics bring in some revenue in return.

They're also using comics as script mills with a built in test market to see what story lines work.

>>86949490
Looks like a gundam.

>>86948506
>The Richard Dawkins field of logic

>>86948655
He had Nova shot BM

>>86949490
>>86949435
>>86949406

>From the age of five she is going to be told how super smart she is and showered with constant praise and affection from her dotting parents

I know some people will call me a misogynist for this but the absolute best thing that can happen for her character is to be humiliated mentally or beaten to a pulp in her first arc or she is going to be insufferable. Tragedy is a key element in a superhero and she has nothing. Shit even Superman had to grow up knowing he was an alien and was always going to be different.

>>86949637
To be far, this is just a glimpse of her childhood.We don't know what else happened.

There's plenty of room for a generic, mean, rich girl to bully her.

>>86949692
*fair

Also didn't mean to make a link there.

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/a/ here, just reminding you we don't have this shitty forced diversity in anime. Keep reading marvel cuckmics and let huge black guys fuck your wife, /co/

>>86949637
>>86949692
Actually that's a pretty shitty thing to tell children as it sets up the notion that intelligence is hard limited and makes it likely that once they encounter something that challenges their intellect they'll give up or otherwise react regressively.

>>86949894
(you)

>>86948549
Personally, as someone who's from a very similar background as Riri (black, in a high-ranked US college, STEM field, got in a year early) I'm not exactly thrilled about Riri either.

Being black in MIT or Harvard or, well, any college where you're outnumbered by whites AND Asians has a lot of unique story elements that I would love to see represented in a comic book character. Watching Riri figure out whether she's going to hang out with the black social groups or the STEM social groups or figuring out how to represent where she came from while not coming off as too black and ostracizing people? I'd enjoy that. I can't imagine how much more complex it could be if you factor her gender and young age into it. But I know that they're probably not going to acknowledge most of the potential in the concept. Because, one, Marvel seems to only use those elements of her character to make her seem more 'EPIC XD' (at least, the advertising for her does), and two, because I don't trust a man who's been out of college for 30 years to be able to write for a college setting. Also, the whole 'Lila Rhodes exists' thing.

That said, I maintain that /co/ is completely unable to discuss race in comic books without being all weird about it (or a lot of things, but I won't get off-topic). Blame it on /tv/ or /pol/ or tumblr if you want, but the fact remains that it's still weird.

>>86950111
Lila Rhodes would be an excellent comparison character or even foil to Riri.

>>86947864
I dont think a moba game could write worse

>>86947440
>I'm excited. You guys excited?
Excited? You're asking me if I'm excited?

>>86950111
Also, I intend on following Ironheart when it comes out. Partially because I'm willing to at least give it a chance before I condemn it from on high, and partially because if I do have to condemn it from on high, I want to be able to do so specifically.

For instance, yeah, the whole 'being designated as a genius child at a young age' thing in the preview panels? That often fucks children up. There are a lot of kids at my school who got here and realized that they're not as special as they used to be, and that fucks them up.

>>86950111
Pretty sure she's going to be expelled/going to quit so she can go be a super hero before the first issue ends, given how she's been introduced thus far.

>>86949894
>let huge black guys fuck your wife, /co/
everytime

>>86950111
>/co/ is completely unable to discuss race in comic books without being all weird about it

thats usually because the writers MAKE it weird.

usually with, like Marvel, hamfisted attempts at getting in on trendy social shit, instead of just "hey lets make a black superhero because we have this cool idea for him"

also people dont generally read comics for their witty social commentary on race. It's escapism. i get enough about that shit on TV every day.

>>86950479
I'm not looking for social commentary. Just something that makes her sue-ish backstory something more than useless twaddle.

And yeah, I agree, Marvel's approach to diversity has made social issues a lot more difficult to talk about, because they are pretty bad at it. Doesn't change the fact that /co/ is bad at talking about it.

>>86947440
Iron Dindu

>>86947940
See this is what disappoints me. They actually had potential here to make an interesting character. When I first heard about a "Black female replacement Iron Man," I thought her backstory would be like those stories of genious kids in Africa that learn how to power their villages using discarded plastic bottles and shit.

If they wanted to send a political message they could have done so, a young girl is a genious in her village in Africa before it gets attacked by a warlord or some shit. Girl escapes and decides to take justice into her own hands. She takes inspiration from seeing Tony Starks Iron Man suits and puts scraps together to fight the warlord. This brings her to the attention of Tony who takes her under his wing.

Would that have been so hard? It explains why no one's heard about this girl genious before, and why Tony takes a liking to her (similar backstory). Also makes her hard as fuck, and delivers a stronger message than "strong independent black woman that don't need no Iron Man."

>>86950689
I've seen the 'Scrap Metal Man' idea before. A working-class 'box of scraps' equivalent to Iron Man. This is the best idea I've ever seen mixed with it.

>>86950689

African black people and American black people have absolutely nothing in common. If they wanted a character for the black teenager readership, a kid from warlord Africa wouldn't really work.

>>86950689
Would've been interesting. Make her a more serious, slightly more brutal Ironman.

You could even give her a grudge against Wakanda and Black Panther for not helping her village.

>>86947440
>http://www.ew.com/article/2016/10/13/iron-man-riri-williams-smarter-tony-stark-ironheart

That's not a real big accomplishment. Tony's less intelligent than a lot of heroes, even several of his villains are more brilliant than he is.

>>86950825
You kidding? We love reading about African whiz kids.

>>86950841
>You could even give her a grudge against Wakanda and Black Panther for not helping her village.

You could have her "accidentally" directing the Avengers in such a way that they kept butting into Ultimates business just to spite him.

>>86950762
>China Mieville will never relaunch Iron man
Why even live?

>>86950847
It's all degrees anyways when it comes to this fake ass super science intillegence chart Marvel has. Hickman wrote it beautifully in the last days event. Reed Richards went into detail on what makes Tony, Tony. He and Tony are basically equal in intillegence with a slight edge going to Reed, but Tony thinks of a billion things - and does them all - at the same time. He's a technocrat and futurist of the highest order. That's what makes him special compared to other highly capable geniuses.

>>86950841
>You could even give her a grudge against Wakanda and Black Panther for not helping her village.

I wouldn't go that far as it leans too heavily into the "everyone is connected, especially the black characters" type of situation. A sense of general disdain towards Wakanda for non personal reasons would be better. Though I think it'd be for the best if she didn't have an opinion on Wakanda at all due to being from a different part of the continent.

>>86947440
Excited?

>>86947440
this kind of "diversification" stuff from Marvel is more racist than not representing other ethnicities at all.
>"Oh, i can finally be represented in a comic boo-
>Oh, it's just a knock-off of a more famous character"
It really feels cheap, not including.
Why not just make new heroes?

>>86948347
How do other studends have those parts?

>>86951115
Or, why not push the heroes that you already have?

Why not bring Monica Rambeau to the forefront? Or Storm? Hell, what the fuck is Storm even doing these days?

>>86951115
There is nothing wrong with a legacy. James Rhodes is a legacy. What they need to do is properly build a legacy. Rhodes was appearing in Iron Man comics for four years before he took over as Iron Man, and continued to appear in Iron Man comics after Tony returned to the armor for another for another nine years before becoming War Machine.

Give Riri a year of being some whiz kid Tony sponsors to build her character and set her history then give her the armor.

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>>86951043
>Hickman wrote it beautifully in the last days event. Reed Richards went into detail on what makes Tony, Tony. He and Tony are basically equal in intillegence with a slight edge going to Reed, but Tony thinks of a billion things - and does them all - at the same time. He's a technocrat and futurist of the highest order. That's what makes him special compared to other highly capable geniuses.

Why'd he make him such a retard though?

>>86951184
>>86951200
these.

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>>86951184
>Storm

She's showing up in stories in books you don't or won't read because there's already diversity there.
Monica Rambeau is in the Ultimates book, one of Marvel's new take concept books.
But you apparently aren't reading that.
But hey, WHY CREATE ANY MORE MINORITY CHARACTERS?
... but then why create any more white hetero male characters?
Did you even ask that?

>>86951184

Storm and Monica are both starring in books rn?

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>>86951131
I don't know dude, it's MIT. If I was there or had ever been there in any capacity other than maybe a janitor (which is honestly my best shot) maybe I could tell you.

I just assume they have shit like this laying around because they were bored during a particularly long commercial and said fuck it lets make something..

>>86951115
Because new heroes rarely catch on.

When was the last time a hero character, regardless of race, gender, or age, became popular without being somehow tied to a preexisting character?

>>86951282
I always get pissed off at Steve every time I think back to those issues.

I mean what was the plan after arresting the Illuminati? Just magically figure out a way to stop the Incursions with the time they wasted looking for those fucks?

>>86947891
The comics wouldn't sell that way

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>>86950841
>Would've been interesting. Make her a more serious, slightly more brutal Ironman.

I'd love for her to be peachy having international adventures with the Avengers for a little bit before seeing a newsfeed about shit going down back in her province has her go all Iron Man 1 on the aggressors:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5BPyMZqpUE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3o2ACEr9NmQ

But with a Hulkbuster-esque armor she'd been secretly constructing for such an event.

"The greatest flaw in all of Mr. Stark's Hulkbusters...is that he kept trying to use them on the Hulk."

>>86951306
>>86951323
Well, I honestly didn't know.

I guess this is my fault. I get all my info from /co/, and as we all know, /co/ never talks about good comics

>>86951338
>I always get pissed off at Steve every time I think back to those issues.

I just think Hickman can't write Captain America that well if he had him behave the way he did in that lead up to Secret Wars.

>>86949406
Is that Stanley from The Office?

>>86951353
We talk about how good Ewings comics are all the time though.

We voted Ultimates as one of the top ten best comics of ANAD.

You have no excuse

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>>86951338
>I mean what was the plan after arresting the Illuminati? Just magically figure out a way to stop the Incursions with the time they wasted looking for those fucks?

It's not Steve's fault, it's Hickman's (Busiek wouldn't have trucked with this level of incompetence). Hickman needed the Avengers to be utterly useless for Secret Wars 3 to happen.

If you're not Doom, Reed, or Val you're not allowed to really matter in his Marvel stories.

Hell, even if it's not strictly a F4 story, unless you're not a reality warping ambiguously intentioned demigod, you still won't really matter. For as much love as his SHIELD series seems to get, people forget that it's basically Michelangelo (Franklin Richards-lite) handing plot coupons out to select people rather than any real actions/decisions of theirs affecting the story.

>>86951353

Well Storm's leading the X-Men and I'd called Extraordinary X-Men like middle of the road.

Ultimates is fucking fantastic tho

>>86951445
Ultimates HAS overpreformed expectations.
I hope Civil War 2's fallout doesn't screw it up too much.

>>86951424
>>86951445
I've only showed up in, what, the last 4 months? So I guess I missed the Ultimates storytimes.

>>86947440
If she wasn't so generic looking, I'd be looking forward to the porn.

>>86951282
>this dialouge
Jesus

>>86948430
How does Moon Girl compare to Reed Richards? I honestly do hate that Moon Girl is the smartest person in the MU.

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>>86951556
Yeah. It's a little on the nose.

>>86951338
>When was the last time a hero character, regardless of race, gender, or age, became popular
Hope, but arguably that's just because she kinda sorta maybe actually was tied to Jean.

>>86951282
The problem here is that Hickman failed to play Tony up as the SUPERIOR IRON MAN that he was at this point. He just comes off as exasperated, smart-ass Tony, or basically Tony. There was that one scene when Jessica and Nat visit him in Wakanda, but otherwise Hickman failed.

If he had gone full prick, then maybe, but ayy, he kinda comes off in the right and Steve looks like a sucker for no reason.

I know comic books are fantasy, but it always bothers me that they never give science a fair shake. Sure, martial arts or magic is something that can take years of training and effort, but not science. Spider-man is able to design the most compact, efficient grappling hook ever invented in his god damn bedroom and mount it on his wrist. What's more, he creates a webbing material with outright supernatural properties.

For this girl to invent an Iron Man suit is ludicrous. I'm fine with the idea of super geniuses, that's not the point. But to even fabricate the metal plating would require extensive resources. I'd like to see a bit more consideration given to how difficult it is to engineer something so fantastic on your own and in secret.

>>86950689
;_;7
I'd read this.

>>86951624
>Fuck your charts, Tony!!
This is an edit...r-right?

>>86948655
>PhD in theoretical physics
>story revolves around 5th dimension probabilities and possible futures

So it gives him authority in this situation, then?

>>86951624
>>86951282
Are these edits? These are SO bad.

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>>86951660
Yes. It's part of a Muh Phoenix-esque parody of Hickman's ENTIRE Avengers/Secret Wars run.

It's a little rough in spots due to lettering constraints, but it's pretty great all around.

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>>86951763
Nah, man. Illuminated is pretty aces.

>>86951770
Ok, this page had me laughing out loud. Good shit. Got more?

>>86951770
You know it still pained me to read all this.
Captain America was such a fascist fucking insane prick.The last moments of the world, and he decides to fucking try to kill Tony.


That's levels of fucking assholism I never thought Cap was capable of.

>>86951593
These I.Q. dick-measuring contests are idiotic.
Just imagine how smart Reed Richards would be compared to you or I, when we're trying to program the remote control he's building flying cars out of scrap parts to distract himself from the boredom of calculating the potential variables of quantum mechanics in his head.
Stretchy brainmatter might help but he was born smarter than anyone that ever tried to teach him from a book.
Now imagine there's this kid ( I think she's an Inhuman? ) who is smart enough to look at what Reed Richards has done and can see all the comparatively bonehead mistakes he's made, and figure out how he made them.
That she's smarter than Richards is as immaterial as the fact that Richard's is smarter than Dr.DOOM, they can all three build death-rays, time machines, and flying cars.
It's just a gradation on who takes longer to do the trigonometry in their heads.

>>86951829
Did Hickman not get called out for it?

>>86951836
good point. It just makes me mad that Marvel said she is the SMARTEST. For basically the reasons you listed. Who is this little girl and where was she when i was growing up and learning that Richards, Black Panther, Tony Stark and Peter Parker were some of the smartest minds in the MU?

>>86951892
He does everytime there's a Hickvengers thread.

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>>86951829
Even Hydra Cap probably wouldn't do something that pettily malefic.

>>86951823
http://illuminatingcomics.tumblr.com

>>86948261
>You can't show how smart someone is when they're being written by a very dumb person.
And that's the first problem with Rayray, her main writer is fucking BENDIS. At the very least she may actually be a more notable character in terms of actual characterization because the readers can learn about her non-super background, unlike She-Thor who's entire series floundered because they didn't want to "spoil" the reveal that she's Jane Foster even after the identity was revealed.

>>86951897
She was being oppressed by the patriachy, clearly.
What bothers me is the only way they know how to market all the diversity is to scream they're better than everyone else. Don't the realize that's half the reason people don't like them?

>>86947999
Why you gotta remind me how shit the GLA art was, all you posted was a word bubble and already I am disgusted by the memories.

>>86951897
If she is indeed an Inhuman she only gained her intellect recently with an exposure to that cloud of terrigen mist.
If she's just born smart the simple solution is that she simply didn't utilize her intellect until a need arose.

>>86947440
Excited? Bitch I'm black and even I don't give a fuck about her. Wake me up when Tony is back

>>86948706
Kamala didn't replace anyone, the name was unused as Carol had been captain for a while at this point.
Amedeus was an established character with ties to the hulk.
Kenan isn't replacing anyone either. Neither did new Ghost Driver.
I don't know who's argument you think you're making.
But listing examples of diversification done well only makes this example of it done badly look worse by contrast.
Also worth noting that by 3 appearances those characters had established themselves and become liked.
Also none were billed as "you know that character you've liked for years? Well my OC is better at everything they do and younger and cooler and Rastafied by 10%" all that does is pissed off fans of the original as well as sounding, I hate having to say it like a Mary sue.

>>86948506
The problem is Bendis is not very smart, he actually comes off as very dim. He is incapable of writing an intelligent character making good points because he can't think of one himself.

Alright anyone else sick of the amount of goddamn geniuses running around the Marvel Universe? Its worse when its a kid genius. Its like the Syndrome.......syndrome....whatever, where everyone is "special" and effectively no one is at the same time. And whats even more laughable is how fucking lazy of a character Riri actually is

>>86952477
>anyone else sick of the amount of goddamn geniuses running around the Marvel Universe
I am actually also sick about DC but I agree.

>>86948600
an old joke for this character, but then the character's a joke to begin with. The shitty sales generated from it will be even more fun to watch.

>>86952477
Yes.

>>86950689

Fuck, I would read the shit out if this. A character with actual trauma, actual smarts and inventiveness, actual grudges.

It's too good, Marvel doesn't deserve it.

>>86950825

People of ALL races love reading about well-written and compelling characters. That's what Marvel doesn't understand anymore.

>>86950689
an anon have a better idea than a fat fuck who is paid to have ideas

>>86947440
>You guys excited?
Nope. Nothing about it has caught my interest.

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>>86949406
>>86949435
This is starting to sound like she has autism or some shit. Like her superpower is being so autistic that it makes her the most special of wunderkind since birth. And why are their noses Rudolph Red in this, like the facial structuring is good but they should fire whoever's doing the colors for such a garbage job.
Also
>>86949490
This is just a fucking gundam but with Iron Man's faceplate on it, BUILT IN A COLLEGE DORM ROOM WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS

>>86952682
>People of ALL races love reading about well-written and compelling characters
Haha, wow anon, you sure have some wacky notions about what makes a good comic book, better leave everything to the professionals at the House of Ideas!
Fucking kill me

>>86952780

IKR, what was I thinking?

>>86952775

The thing is, it makes her instantly unlikeable. That's her introduction - she's a spoiled little shit, acting up? Well done.

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>>86951115
It's worse when they start doing shit like this in order to "justify" the knock-offs

>>86952819
>she's a spoiled little shit, acting up
Guess Bendis was really targeting all the sheltered, upper-class, whiny faggot generation of kids with this one after all.

>>86947617
Go to bed, Bendis

>>86949504
>tfw 5 years from now you'll be able to get all big-2 comics free in return for filling out market research surveys

>>86947864
>>implying that Black Panther isn't at least decent at the very worst.

Bye Felicia

>>86950689
FUND IT

>>86950689
This is kinda how they did Batwing and well, it didn't last.

>>86947940
Knowing Marvel, there's probably gonna be a lot more of this kinda shit in the future.

>>86953224
That was never a serious character, it was practically "The Batmen of many nations"
You want a character to succeed? Don't put them in another character's shadow and then cast them off into no readership land without the slightest link to relevance.
That's how they're killing Red Hood, and he was a freakin' Robin!

The way to go is like with Miles-Spider-Man, first there's the vacancy to fill, then here comes the replacement hero, do they succeed? No. They struggle because they're the underdog, but like Rhodey in the IronMan suit or Dick taking over as Batman they give the audience a chance to see them earn the job.
Once they've proven they can do the work then bring back the main and the former underling has now been elevated to an equal.
That's how War Machine became his own character, that's how Nightwing graduated from being a Robin, that's how Miles became the second Spider-Man.
It's a formula that works.

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So there's one for Thor, there's one for Iron Man, there's one for Cap, there's one for Spidey, there's one for Wolverine.

Is there a PoC/womyn replacement for Hulk?
>she-hulk
Yeah but she has been around for a while.

I don't expect you guys to agree with me politically but don't you lefty folks think this is kind of weird and stale yet?

It's kind of like "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" except all white men are being replaced with non-whites and/or women.

>>86952477
Yea and what's worse is that they can't just be smart, no, they have to be among the smartest in the MU. How does Mary Sue not seem to apply to characters like Riri, Lunella and Valeria?

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>>86953406
Making a big deal about how smart any hero character is is probably a bad idea. Since they're reactive, right?
The villain does something and they have to stop them.
It's the villains who do the plots which lets you demonstrate superior intelligence.
Now I suppose you can do that with heroes but I think it'd be more difficult to write.

>>86947440
Who is this character?
never read bendishit

>>86950689
fucking this

>>86947947
>>86947891
It's going to be Ironman (I think Invincible prefix) with Ironheart as a sub-header

They want to keep the Ironman name for recognition

>>86953376
Amadeus Cho is asian.

>>86953376
Wwwwwwaaaaaaaugh!
White VICTIMHOOD!
Jeezus Heyzeus Christ,
Why don't you just wear a sign around your neck saying that you expect a freakin' handout because of your race?
You give your entire lineage a bad name with this shit.
Way to represent your people. Now everyone knows what to expect from white folk.

>>86953465
Not really subtle or well-tailored enough.

>>86953376
>Moviefags might experience this shit
man, I don't want to know

>>86950376
>Riri is intelligent but has that same lack of wisdom Marvel's geniuses all seem to possess
>Lila is better at applying her intelligence to problems at hand which leads her to be a more effective superhero with less power
>The two are competitive with one another

If only we had a good writer and not Baldilocks

>>86950111
Huh.
This would actually be a pretty great concept for a book; it'd give her an actual niche that wasn't just "black girl Iron Man" and would make her race actually important to her character.
>Riri's struggling to fit in with a (white) social group; hilarity ensues when she gets AI Tony to try and help her

>>86950689
you have no idea what africa is like do you

>in 2 years marvel will be dead and none of this shit is gonna even matter

You remember how Matt Parkman was using mind control on all the powered folk, in the mini-series? Trapping them in fantasy realities so they wouldn't try to escape the facility?

That would be an idea for a black superhero. They have mind powers and make all the black kids in their city think they have a dad who loves them and disciplines them.

That's how he could clean up his community.

>>86953558
Go back to /pol/

>>86953585
I'm serious. Would make a good story and ACTUALLY address a social issue, like comics used to do, and not pretend to address social issues like they do today.

You could have someone stumble on the situation investigating why all these kids are seeing make-believe people. Then go into a backstory of a kid and how it is the power is being used on him.
>My parents never talk anymore!
(because one of them doesn't exist, Sixth Sense sort of potential here.)

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>>86953376

Remember Amadeus Cho?

>>86953610
Write him as a villain with good intentions in another hero's story and I'll buy it, but not as a hero in himself.

>>86949406
>There was genius and now there is super genius

wut

>>86953712
It's the Marvel-verse. When you have so many geniuses, you have to find a way to distinguish the Moon Girls and the Reed Richards from the 'build a webshooter in your spare time' regular geniuses

>>86953707
Sure, you'd eventually have your hero confront him and tell him what he's doing is fucked up and maybe he changes his ways after that.

The way I see it back in the day the comic would actually showcase a problem. Like... Tony is a boozehound and it's fucking with his work.
Today's equivalent would be something like Tony telling people not to shame alcoholics and then saving the world and inventing a trans-warp drive while blind drunk.
Telling the audience substance abuse is great and shouldn't hold anyone back.

>>86953734
I mean, isn't that kind of a big deal that in the Marvel Universe - humans seem to be becoming leaps and bounds smarter than in previous generations.

That sounds like the sort of thing an entire event could be structured around to do with the X-Men / Evolution and Celestials or something that considers how we are changing. Not just an off-hand comment from some guy.

>>86947440
What's is her character flaw? what is her insecurities? is she really that tropey.

>>86953898
>yfw you realize that the reason they write them as Mary Sues is because they think being black is a completely sufficient character flaw.
>While the "racists" don't see that.

>>86953453
So it'll say IronMan Ironheart to let people know IronMan is a woman now?
Mmmkay

>>86951184
Storm is a house nigger now.

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>>86947440
>tfw it will sell like shit since the solicit where Riri should have shown up already passed and she wasn't in that issue

>>86947440
So, what VILLAINS is Riri gonna face? Who will be her supporting cast?

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Marvel getting culturally enriched again.

>>86947440
Who is the target audience anyway?
They should have gone kinda like Batman Beyond route if they wanted a teen iron man.

How badly it will bomb after the first issue and who will be blamed?

>>86947440
I'm more ineterested in Infamous Iron Man honestly.
I wonder, does Bendis think that Riri is smarter than Doom? He better not.

>>86952819
I can see what he was thinking. I mean everyone loves child geniuses who show up the adults. I mean everyone loved Wesley crusher right?!

>>86948148
Is that from an actual Half in the Bag?

>>86954344
us, it's always us. Not /co/ specifically, but you know it's us.

>>86947440
I'm more excited for Infamous.

>>86954375
Well, it would be kind of funny for Doom to decide that Riri is his new archenemy and dedicate his life to ruining her.
>WILLIAMS

>>86953540
A dude in Kenya just made the news for defending a crumbling orphanage against knife wielding thugs who came for the kids. Sounds like a pretty damn good basis for an Iron Man story to me.

>>86954660
sounds like Kenya is post apocalyptic fist of the north star shit.

>>86951115
>Why not just make new heroes?

>What are Nuhumans?
>What is The Initiative?

We need to ban all /tv/fags from this place

>>86951353
>>86951184
>complain about marvel not doing things
>doesn't read comics in the first place to even know if it is true
anon

>>86954907
/co/ has been taken over by /tv/ and /pol/

>>86947440
>smarter than tonk stark
>smarter than tony 'I have a sentient brain tumor I commune and coordinate with' Stark
>smart than tony 'my intelligence is diffused throughout my entire nervous system and I am one with nanotechnology iron armor' stark

Who cares, it's literally DBZ levels of intelligence power wank. None of it means anything.

Marvel is #woke

>>86951353
It sounds like you don't even read comics
which probably makes you right at home here

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>>86954688
>fist of the north star shit.

>>86954926
Because Marvel has been taken over by tumblr. It's all about balance, anon.

>>86951501
The term lurk more exists for a reason you know, especially if you don't actually actively participate in the boards subject matter outside of the site which only brings about stupid , uninformed questions and replies

>>86950689
Yeah but then you'd need a good writer who actually researches their shit like joshua dysart or someone to avoid being dumb and potentially offensive/disingenuous as fuck. Brian Michael Bendis is not that's man

>>86954959
>"Le tumblr boogeyman" meme

>>86949406
This is a pitfall many writers fall into. Why are so many ''diverse'' characters introduced as super duper geniuses with no flaws and everyone falls to their knees when they walk into a room? Why can't they write them like normal people to make readers connect with them better?

>>86954927
>I don't know which one is Iron Man and which one is Ultimate Iron Man
Read comics before complaining.

>>86955046
The point is that the levels of intelligence we're talking about are essentially meaningless. When science is essentially already magic, and doesn't follow any rules, it doesn't matter who's more 'magical' than whom.

>>86947903
How does Midnighter have a daughter?

>>86955516
Adoption, duh.

>>86947440
Nope.
This is not how you engender diversity. I could give 2 shits about Tony Stark. Replace him. Replace him with a black female. But don't replace him with a black female that is totally undeveloped in a manufactured storyline.

If you want diversity, hire women and minority writers and artists, and then loosen the editorial reigns on their creativity. I guarantee you'd get some better stuff than what Bendis can shovel out of his shitforbrains. Original characters can get old or retire. They dont all have to get fridged or killed off in some absurdly forced plot

>>86951425
No one is going to respond to you because of how on the spot this post is. I feel the exact same about Hickman and the posters here make me feel like I'm insane for thinking that when in fact the simpler explanation is they don't fucking read.

>>86953436
Bendis' attempt at making lightning strike twice with Miles 2.0. But since she's Tony's replacement, she has to be a super genius

>>86953938
So essentially overcompensating due to race or gender? Yea sounds about right in the eyes of Marvel these days

If nobody gave a fuck about Rescue why would you go back to the well a second time with Rescue: Melanin Infused edition?

>>86947440

She looks cool, shame Marvel decided to doom her from the start by presenting her as a replacement to an irreplaceable character.

>>86951425
>>86957585
I will respond.


Do you guys realize Secret Wars was supposed to be a FF story, and Brevoort made Hickman adapt it to a line wide event? Or that the collapsed Doomverse was supposed to be the "event" on an alternate earth that initiated the multiversal collapse? Basically editorial changes made him retcon Molecule Man and the Beyonders.

Also, from a narrative standpoint, only so many people could have ended up on that raft. For whatever reason, he decided he didn't want Tony OR Steve on it, so he nuked em. Which I think is fine. Have the story a different flavor. Yes, Hickman kind of typecast himself as a FF guy with that move but whatever.

Don't get me started with SHIELD. It's not even over so I'm not entirely sure where he was going with it.

Secret Warriors was pre FF and bereft of the above accusations. So I have to think that editorial hadore to do with the shortcomings of his Avengers/NA run

so how badly is this going to sell?

>>86953319
>The way to go is like with Miles-Spider-Man
kys my man.

>>86953319
Except the new Red Hood and the Outlaws series is fucking great.

>>86947440

Nope

>>86947440
Why does she have a 「STAND?」

>>86953898
>inb4 she cares too much