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>>86882214
white washing is stupid. it's suspension of disbelief only goes so far.

If you're gonna pander to the Chinese market with a remake of Mulan, you might as well do it right.

>>86882214
It'll be like Netflix's Marco Polo where MP is just the audience avatar.

Expect the white character to be comic relief caught up in war.

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>>86882214
>Setting is ancient china
>people are upset that a caucasian is playing what should be an asian role

Gee, I can't imagine why.

>>86882214
Its more over that the main character is not Mulan in this instance.
Dude comes in, gets the lady, defeats the army and bounces.

>>86882214
>mulan
>not casting an asian

No no this is pretty non negotionable across the board

I see nothing wrong with this. VAs are interchangeable anyways - might as well get one that sounds Asian.

>>86882214
David Carradine and Christopher Lee are both dead, no other white actors are allowed to play asians.

>>86882331
This is a live action movie, anon.

Listen, I am as anti-token minority as the next guy, but you do realize that adding a white guy to Mulan is just adding a Token White Guy, right? Because studios are afraid of releasing a movie full of asian people, just like they used to be afraid of releasing a movie without enough diversity. It is just as stupid and just as reprehensible as it was then, you're just fucking blind to it because it happens to have a white guy now instead of a black guy.

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>>86882214
>Who cares about the race of the actors?
>movie set in China
>entire movie had no white people in it

This particular instance was caused by someone who supposedly read the script that Disney bought for this movie. In it the protagonist is a merchant from Europe and he is Mulan's love interest and the hero of the movie. I find some of the outrage a bit more understandable thus time at least. But remember this is still all he said she said stuff.

And they have to be Chinese. Asians in general lose their shit when say a Japanese person is playing a Chinese person or a Korean is playing Mongolian.

>>86882214
Dude that is fucking stupid and if you cannot see why then you're fucking stupid

>>86882214
>When did it start mattering versus who was the best actor?

Generally they don't cast "the best actor" though. They just cast whoever's famous, like Scarlet Johannsen in Ghost in the Shell.

If anything this means that they're branching out and choosing someone potentially unknown.

What about Eddie Murphy? Chinks hate niggers more than anyone, are they going to yellowwash Mushu? Who will the SJW's get upset with then?

I don't even disagree.

But if it's racist to care if Johnny Storm is black, it's racist to care if Mulan has a white love interest.

>>86882256
Well so is putting black people in the background of stories like Cinderella, but it's happened.

>>86882214
It's not just race. If the leak is true, they have to force in a story beat about a European merchant just to make it make sense, so they can more effectively pander to White people. It's a story about 5th century China, in which all elements are Chinese, and Europe plays no part, and they have to rework it just to get the extra bucks from the western world.

>>86882491
If they cast a white dude as mushu, I won't be mad at all.

>>86882974
>Asians in general lose their shit when say a Japanese person is playing a Chinese person

It's the Rape of Nanking all over again.

>>86882974
I'm Asian and I can confirm this.

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>be California
>have nearly 5 million Asians
>Hollywood can't be bothered to find a full cast
what the fuck is Disney's problem with Asians?
I'm still pissed about what they did to the Ancient One and the whole cast of Ghost in the Shell

>>86882974
mostly because it furthers the stereotype "all asians are the same!"
either way, they should really have no problem finding a good number of Chinese actors when they make 1 billion of the population

>>86883105
Are there any notably good asian actors?

>>86883143
yes, but they shouldn't be type casted for any role that would require an asian

>>86883105
And how many even want to be actors? And how many of those potential actors are Chinese specifically? And how many of those are even decent enough to warrant putting in your hundred million dollar film?

>>86883105
>>86883105
The issue isn't Disney.

The issue is that the Hollywood mindset has fucking ingrained itself that Asians are less popular as leads. That if you're going to cast someone in a major role you want white, black, or latino.

>>86883105
The Jews have hated Asians since they put down their mudslime attack dogs in the crusades.

>>86882974
Yeah. Imagine having a WW2 and every German was played by a Frenchman with a strong french accent.

>>86883159
Disney has the money, and none of their movies have ever made lower than expectation because an Asian cast member

>>86883188
Disney also has analysts, who know what does and doesn't sell to American audiences, their main audience.

Why would they cast an Asian love interest?

Mulan is supposed to be an escapist fantasy for young Asian girls. Getting to marry a hot white guy is definitely a big part of that.

>>86883205
when was the last time a movie involving Asians bombed?
either way with China become a rising market you think they should really be more open to catering to a "global audience"

>>86883227
The Chinese don't actually care about Chinese representation in American movies. They don't expect to see it because most Americans are not Chinese.

>>86883251
they could make more though

>>86883258
They could, but it doesn't actually matter to home or foreign audiences.

>>86883227
They still make most of their money off of domestic box office. Worldwide numbers is just for dick measuring to casuals.

>>86883299
worldwide numbers can save a movie
with how Disney's live action movies do, they should really try anything

>>86883311
If they're going to try anything, they should try to make a movie about Mulan and her harem of European breeding studs.

>>86882214
>fans don't want an X

I don't want a fucking live action mulan in the first place, this is fucking stupid

chinese story, about chinese people, set in china.

basic stuff

>>86883251
this is blatantly false. see pacific rim and transformers 4

>>86882214
To be fair, Mulan with a white male lead is a pretty autistic idea.

Best to not give anything to work with, mostly so we can point out when they are sperging out about shit like iron fist

>>86883366
Didn't the Warcraft movie do extremely well in China?

>>86883130
what is sean connery playing irish characters. get the fuck over it and be glad you have a job

>>86883387
yeah, but that's cause its Warcraft

>>86883366
They liked those movies because of giant robots, not because of Asian actors.

>>86883366
Well chick from Pacific Rim is a jap, so.... your point?

>>86883366
There's something those two movies have in common, and it's not the single chinese actor in the supporting cast.

>>86883392
what?

>>86883393
I heard it did better in China than in Burgerland.
Can anyone confirm this?

>>86883162
Anon people still remember how awful Clint eastwood was in yellowface. Hollywood has to realize how shit this would be. This movie would have been possible when lucy liu was younger but having white male leads will just remove any reason to see it.

This isn't even about race this is about authenticity. And no ones going to watch something titled mulan with Scarjo in another awful wig.

>>86883420
it did
Warcraft got shot out in reviews over America over bullshit reasons
Chinese didn't care

>>86883433
What reasons? I still have it on my watch list.

>>86882214
Does anybody actually want a white male lead in this movie? It doesn't even make sense.

Remember when the movie that finally brought Jackie Chan and Jet Li together decided it'd be best to star a white kid?
Remember when the upcoming Bruce Lee movie decided some white guy hippy that knew him should be the main character?
Good decisions.

>>86883493
Liberals complaining about non-existent things. What else is new?

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It's pic related all over again where none of the main characters even look North African except like one black guy.

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>>86883526
Matt "Dog-Muncher" Damon

>>86883586
North Africans aren't black you triple nigger

>>86883590
The Last Samurai was great though.

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>>86883586
>north africans
>black

>>86883526
>Remember when the movie that finally brought Jackie Chan and Jet Li together decided it'd be best to star a white kid?
Originally it was supposed to be about an Asian kid finding his roots.
I heard it was Jackie that was pushing and won for the white lead.

Virtue Signaling.

Social Broadcasting.

This is the future you chose.

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>>86883601
this isn't The Last Manlet, this is a new movie

>>86882277
Meanwhile having Margaret of Anjou played by a black is totally fine.

>>86883618
no it isn't

>>86883181
that's... a remarkably good comparison
thanks anon

What fucking European was trading with China in the 5th century. If the changed the time to like, Ming Dynasty China then whatever.

Unless by Europeans we're talking a Hun love interest. Hua Mulan boinking Attila.

>>86883616
I know, but The Last Samurai was a great movie that people complain about white savior of Asian race. Also, Marcellus Wallace is sitting down in that picture.

>>86882214
If it's going to play well in China there's got to be at least one scene where Mulan has rough sex with a well endowed white man, they won't go see it otherwise.

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>>86883628
Yes it is. Any one who says otherwise is a dirty racist. It's colorblind casting, shitlord.

>>86883642
>people actually STILL think Cruse's character was "the last samurai"
>in the present year

Wow.

>>86883181
You mean like Schindler's List? At least white people are capable of playing pretend - you know, acting - whereas Asians have 1 role, Asian guy.

>>86883660
People who haven't seen the movie and just know about it from Paul Mooney. It's a great movie.

>>86883668
Asians don't want other Asians playing other Asians because it furthers the sterotype that "all Asians are the same"

>>86883674
>tom cruise
>good movie
Doubt.gif

>>86883685
>Top Gun
>A Few Good Men
>Jerry Maguire
>The Color of Money
>Mission Impossible
>Edge of Tomorrow
>The Last Samurai
>Minority Report
>Magnolia
>Eyes Wide Shut
>Born on the 4th of July
>Rain Man

You must be 18 or older to post on this site.

>>86883130
No Asians are just racist as hell.

>>86883708
All of those are bad movies.

>>86883716
and whats wrong with that

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>>86883720
Congratulations. You successfully got me to reply to your bait twice.

>>86883720
Minority Repoty and Eyes Wide Shut were dope but agreed on the rest.

>>86883727
Racism is bad.

>>86882214
Yeah, who cares if Mulan is the main character in her own movie?
Who cares if she lived a thousand years before Marco Polo and never would have seen a white person?

>>86883727
Nothing in my opinion.

White people in ancient China is just weird though...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQQzYnwRufw

>>86883720
>>86883732

Jesus fuck /co/ is the definition of pleb.

>>86883685
Valkyrie was great, and Cruise was very good in Tropic Thunder.

>>86883733
Why? Muhammad Ali was a public racist, he said people in interracial relationships are traitors to their race, yet the world worships him.

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>>86883742
Go take your Tom Cruise mom shoes and your nasty ass wonton soup somewhere else.

>>86883742
Don't you have a scientology meeting?

>>86883226

The story of Mulan wasn't an escapist fantasy for girls originally, though. It was more of an escapist fantasy for fathers.

Think about it, a daughter who loved her father so much she would take his place in war for him. On top of that, she ends up becoming a decorated soldier who brings prestige to the family. And after all is said and done, she turns down all the positions offered to her so she can go home and take care of her aging father.

In the original myth, after Mulan reveals her true identity to the military, they accept her because she fought in battle for 12 years straight.

The idea that she's a girl power icon is a very western conception of the character and one that actually makes no sense. In reality, everything she does is for the sake of men, not just her father but her fellow soldiers as well. She has no desire to be a soldier for recognition or empowerment's sake.

Turning her into a female power fantasy actually strips the story of its poignancy and impact. Mulan gives up the best years of her life for the greater good, she gives up any chance at having a husband and children. Meanwhile, Disney makes being a soldier out to be something fun you do for a year that'll get you endless praise and a hot boyfriend.

So as far as love interests go, I'd rather she not have one at all.

>>86883772
I don't go see movies based on the actors' religious beliefs. I couldn't give less of a fuck what he does outside of acting.

>>86882214
Because >>86883226
>Mulan is supposed to be an escapist fantasy for young Asian girls. Getting to marry a hot white guy is definitely a big part of that.

Except the white guy is the main character in this scenario instead of the title character.

Will Mulan be naked in the movie?

>>86883387
>Goldfarming: The Movie did well in China.

Hey, if their employers were willing to give them the two hours off to go see before another 16 hour WoW shift, it makes sense.

>>86883526
the one with Not!Steve McQueen as the narrator?

>>86883804
Mulan should be naked the entire movie.

>Asian Masculinity is so insecure they need Disney to promise Shang won't be white

You ever heard the term "couleur locale"?

>>86883399
>forgetting about the GOAT chinese triplets
RIP in pieces, Crimson Typhoon

>>86883754
People are very forgiving of celebrities.
It's why Steve Austin and Chris Brown still have jobs.

>>86883586
you actually believe WE WUZ KANGS?

>>86883742
/co/ is a board for cartoons and comics. you aren't going to get many valuable opinions about movies here.

>>86883021
Yeah...except its not historically inaccurate. In fact, the black dude in Cinderella was based on Abram Petrovich Gannibal, a black Russian nobleman in Russia.

White dudes in medieval China on the other hand is pretty strange. What's impossible is a white nobleman in China prior to the 1600's.

>>86883594
>>86883602
>>86883959
Egyptians are not lily white europeans, that's like, definite, regardless of if you believe the kangz shit or not.

>>86884203
Cleopatra is at the very least

>>86883057
>It's not just race. If the leak is true, they have to force in a story beat about a European merchant just to make it make sense, so they can more effectively pander to White people
That's fucking stupid, white people fucking love Asian action cinema.
Black people too.

>>86884219
Hollywood thinks otherwise
Jews fear Samurai

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>>86884215
Egyptian royalty fucked every race. Ethnically, Egyptians were already their own distinctive racial group, but thanks to the propensity of Pharaohs fucking their exotic harem slaves brought from far off lands and passing them off as the kids of the queen because the two were too inbred to make something anyone would want to see on the throne, by the time of Cleopatra she was basically the perfect mutt of all old world races blended selectively.

In fact, some of the Pharaohs had red hair, an exclusively Caucasian gene thanks to Caucasians being the group that did the most Neanderthal (the origin of red hair) fucking to the point that Irish are close to 10% Neanderthal.

Cleopatra was black, white Asian, the various and assorted mid-east mocha peoples, and probably more. Its known for a fact that Egypt had a trade route reaching as far as northeast Asia thanks to pigments found in tombs, and due to finding cocaine rubbed on the teeth of mummies before burial they think its possible that somehow they did make a voyage to the Americas and back since Cocaine didn't exist outside the Americas prior to the end of the Age of Exploration. So Cleopatra may have had a little Inca in her blood too for all we know. What we do know is that looking at the DNA of existing mummies, there's races in their background we don't even have any historical information about.

>>86884273
Cleopatra is literally a Macedonian

>>86884273
>>86884215
Cleopatra was an inbred Macedonian Greek.

>>86884287
>>86884304
It's a lot more complicated than that. At the very least Cleopatra perceived herself to be Egyptian and was treated as an Egyptian during her day. Her family styled themselves pharaohs and kept the religious rites of Egypt.

>>86882214
>>86882274
Mushu is now a black man who got lost and is mistaken for a supernatural being

>>86884352
Please god , please.

>>86884352
we wuz dragonz n shiet

>>86883652
Remember that Egyptian movie that came out where everyone was white? What was its name again, I can't remember?

>>86884332
Culture yes but as far as "race" goes there's probably not a lot of leeway because of the inbreeding.

>>86884273
Inb4 /pol/, Egypt didn't fall due to Romans just being better.

See, like all societies that believe in a god emperor (not a 40k reference, I swear), the Egyptians had extremely stagnant technology but were very quick to adapt to new forms of warfare and improve on them. Egyptian history is basically

>Just having around twenty guys throwing rocks works
>Those fuckers that invented spears just pushed our shit in!
>[Spear Technology Mastered]

>Just having thirty guys with spears and thirty skirmishers with bows works
>Those fuckers that used scattered outposts pushed our shit in!
>[Outpost Technology Mastered]

>Just having a few hundred peasant militias with some outposts works
>Those fuckers with horses pushed our shit in!
>[Horse Technology Mastered]

>Having militias and a noble class with chariots works
>Those fuckers with a dedicated warrior class pushed our shit in!
>[Warrior Class Technology Mastered]

The problem is when Egypt faced Rome, Rome was already too far ahead of them and too aggressive so the Egyptians didn't have a decade to absorb and improve on Roman advantages. All their previous foes had slowly conquered territory, which the Egyptians later retook while the Romans pushed straight through to the capital. They were rolled over pretty quickly, and Egypt was given more than profitable advantages so there was little reason to revolt. Egypt waved Rome's flag for the economic advantages, and were still allowed to have their divine ruler.

Fast-forward to Cleopatra, who used Caesar to put herself on the throne as a Pharaoh with her brother (who died not long after, imagine that...) and gambled on various strategies and generals to keep Egypt autonomous. She had the rest of her family wiped out, and after Rome went to war with itself and Egypt was on the losing side she either committed suicide or was assassinated. Either way, with no succession Egypt had no more leadership and remained wholly Roman (no pun intended).

>>86884420
Wow anon, you are so knowledgeable about Egypt. Stop

>>86884352
Eddie Murphy was not only black but very modern, while everyone else was all ancient China mode (except the Huns who were steppe mode).

It passed without comment in Shrek since that was all about whatever is funny, but it was out of the box for the original, like the Genie in Aladdin. How and will they do the same effect for this?

>>86882495
Yeah Milan is 16 and the Murchant helps them because he has a case of Yellow Fever and wants to fuck Milan. He also beats the big bad in the end.


Yeah....

>>86884399
Gods Of Egypt. It was pretty shit in every single way, not just the casting.

Like Scorpion King without the charm.

>>86884474
Meant "Mulan" fucking auto correct

>>86882214
Normaly i would agree but you probably do need an Asian for this role.

Why they think they need to remake it in the first place is a mystery though.

>>86882495
Wait is this a remake or a sequel because thats a massive departure from the old film.

>>86884614
Money, honey

>>86883780
This.

Everything about this movie is stupid.

>>86884273
>some of the Pharaohs had red hair, an exclusively Caucasian gene
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HAHAHHA

NO

>>86884668
He's right about pharaohs having red hair

>>86884738
Yes I fucked up, should have removed the Pharaoh part and only have the
>an exclusively Caucasian gene
part

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>>86884748
After all these years, the scanlators should have realized it's "Shutoheru".

>>86882214
Do you think there is a chance disney might get jackie chan as one of the soldiers?

I don't understand why they don't just go all out with this and have a Hong Kong or Chinese studio make it with the budget Disney usually gives and just have an all asian cast

That would solve all of this bullshit whining about race

>>86883642
As a Jap American I thought so too til I watched the film and realized it was a very well done "oh look how amazing this culture is that us whites are destroying i better shack up with some local puss"

I also enjoyed 47 Ronin despite the magic nonsense that tried to take over the story

>>86884989
You mean just give 200 million to Zhang Yimou and some studio to remake Mulan? I wonder how that would go.

>>86884989
>>86885058
I would not trust a Chinese studio with 200 million of my money hoping they make a decent film. And I'm betting the execs who make those decisions sure as hell wouldn't either.

>>86885058
Sure with a chinese or HK studio on production and editing we might actually get some fight choreography. It's not like Disney will have trouble promoting this if it doesn't have white actors, they're fucking Disney.

>>86885085
I just looked at how much Crouching Tiger was made with and both it and its sequel were done with 17 million, so lets say we want a nice scene with the two armies, maybe bump that up to 50 million? 75? If they're worried the chinese guys will blow money on places other than the film they can get away with skimping out on them.

The fucking Jungle Book was 175 million dollars, they can easily trick some chinese studio into doing a good job.

>>86882214
>Who cares about the race of the actors?

/co/ does, seeing as how it spent almost a year shitting its collective pants over Johnny Storm being played by a black guy.

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>>86884989
>>86885106
Should get the Chinese opera and make it a classic musical movie, incorporating the fighting into song and dance routines.

>>86885148
I would love to see that just because it would be so drastically different than anything anyone in Hollywood is putting out.

Shit they could even try to incorporate the original animated film's songs in their language.

>>86882214
Not again Disney...

>>86884399
Ah yes, the one where people cried that EGYPTIANS were playing Egyptians.

>>86885148
Why is Sun Wukong a Slav?

White men and Asian women are made for each other.
Not sure why you'd expect Disney to fight against the natural order of things.

>>86884922
China did a Mulan movie already and his son played her childhood friend/secret-keeper

Mulan was the girl from Shaolin Soccer

>>86885148
That would be amazing.

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>>86885679

>>86882214
I would also be disturbed if the asian characters are portrayed by non-asian actors.
I couldn't focus on Memoirs of a Geisha becaus the nips keep talking in engrish accents.

>>86885743
Take it to /r/asianmasculinity, kiddo.

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>>86885781
not even Asian senpai

>>86885806
You're a jealous white bitch who can't stand superior women taking your men, then.

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>>86885821
nope, women aren't on 4chan kiddo

>>86885821
>neckbeards think they're desirable

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>>86885743

>Shitty hair

>>86885743
Josuke was a far better JoJo than Jotaro though.

>>86886187
with shitty hair though

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>>86883586
Fuck you, that movie was decently fun. Plus I can give you 5 reasons why casting Nikolaj Coster-Waldau and Gerard Butler as Egyptian gods isn't whitewashing.
>Thoth is racially innacurate as well, since Ancient Egyptians weren't black, they were Mediterranean. Even if the demographics may have changed since millenia ago, it's widely believed that Dynastic Egyptians were mostly indigenous to the Nile. Plus Ancient Egyptian art portrays Nubians, who historically lived South of the Upper Egypt, in a much darker tone than pharaohs. But people are more upset over a Dane and a Scot playing Egyptian people than someone from the same continent. Isn't that saying all Africans are black, and thus racist?
>Ultimately it doesn't matter what race you choose to portray gods as because they're not even human, so human ethnicity doesn't matter for them. Plus I doubt ethnicities exist for divine beings either. If this was like Age of Mythology, where gods of many diverse pantheons from throughoug the world found themselves together, there would be a reason to portray them more accurately to their respective cultures, but we're talking about a single pantheon/family of gods that descend from a single supreme deity, as long as they look related it shouldn't be an issue.
>The world shown in the movie is a flat Earth where only Egypt exists. It's not even set in actual Ancient Egypt, but rather in a fantasy setting that would make sense in Egyptian mythology. Who's to say the people one would find in alternate Egypt would have the same race as those from our Egypt?
>Was casting Arnold Vosloo as Imhotep whitewashing? Was casting The Rock as the Scorpion King whitewashing?
>More importantly, was casting Idris Elba as Heimdall racist? Was casting Sinqua Walls as Lancelot racist, even though there are clear mentions of Moorish Knights of the Round Table that they could have gone with instead of the British paragon?

>>86884273
>to the point that Irish are close to 10% Neanderthal.

Wait, so the English were right? Irish are subhuman?

>>86883387
It had a popular Chinese actor in it

>>86882214
I care less about this now that they fucked up the dark tower by casting a black guy as the gunslinger.

>>86882214
So it only matters when white characters get diversified. Okay then bye.

>>86886365
>Was casting Sinqua Walls as Lancelot racist
No, but it's indefensible. I don't care if Mulan's love interest is some european merchant guy, since that actually happened. But casting a french self insert tier character as a black man? Who cucks King Arthur? Seems like they made a racial choice.

Doesn't help that Lancelot makes all the other knights like gawain look like pussies due to his presence.

>>86886629
>I don't care if Mulan's love interest is some european merchant guy, since that actually happened.

I love Mulan was just a legend and she was purely fictional?

>>86886365
>>The world shown in the movie is a flat Earth where only Egypt exists. It's not even set in actual Ancient Egypt, but rather in a fantasy setting that would make sense in Egyptian mythology. Who's to say the people one would find in alternate Egypt would have the same race as those from our Egypt?

That's what everyone missed. Also Elektra was the love goddess and she's Asian.

But I think Gods of Egypt could have used more appropriate ethnic actors for the regular humans just to balance out the fantastic gods (aliens?)

>Was casting Arnold Vosloo as Imhotep whitewashing? Was casting The Rock as the Scorpion King whitewashing?

Vosloo is white, the Rock is black-Samoan. Neither were Egyptian, they just have tans. Nobody was. Maybe the Pharaoh who was murdered.

>More importantly, was casting Idris Elba as Heimdall racist?

Same gods/aliens thing again.

>Was casting Sinqua Walls as Lancelot racist, even though there are clear mentions of Moorish Knights of the Round Table that they could have gone with instead of the British paragon?

Once Upon a Time right? Clearly a fantasy treatment of King Arthur so why care. If they were doing a hardcore historical version there shouldn't be a Lancelot at all.

>>86886661
Not what I meant. I could see a white person ending up in China. I can't see Lancelot being black.

In reality wasn't Mulan's story that of a bandit woman?

Speaking of Once Upon a Time I hated how they made Mulan a lesbian.

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You'd think with how much Hollywood want's to suck China's cock so badly, they'd make a better effort to cast Chinese actors.

All I want to know is who's a manly enough woman to play this badass?

>>86885743
oh Mayli. if only I could've saved you..or you atleast did porn that didn't devolve into just grossness and unpleasantness.

>>86886710
why? They don't seem to care that much.

Remember when John Wayne played Genghis Khan?

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>>86886629
>>86886701
It's not the most radical twist the Arthurian myths have undergone.

After 1500 years, anything is meh.

>>86883105
The Ancient One scenario is a bit different. The issue wasn't that TAO was asian, it was that he was specifically Tibetan, and keeping him Tibetan would have kept the movie from getting released in China which is one of their biggest markets.

>>86883476
I watched the movie myself and it does fall apart in the last act, but that's a problem with every movie Hollywood pumps out.
If you like the lore of Warcraft, go ahead and watch it.

>>86886803
Doesn't make it any less stupid.

>>86883925
>Played by Vietnamese triplets
Their Chinese was surprisingly good

>>86883417
Li Bingbing was in Transformer 4

>>86883433
>bullshit reasons
Like cinematographic quality?

>>86886710
The Chinese would rather Chinese characters be played by white people than Japanese/Koreans/Mongolians/any eastern race that isn't Chinese.

Given Hollywood's inability to tell the difference, it's actually a safer bet to just go with white people since more westerners will see it that way, and it won't effect Chinese sales that badly.

You'd probably lose more American sales from using a non-white cast than you'd gain Chinese sales from using a chinese cast.

>>86883780
>Turning her into a female power fantasy actually strips the story of

Stopped here. I see where you're coming from, but her being a female empowerment chick isn't an incorrect interpretation

>>86886937
Wasn't she a bandit, though?

>>86885765
I could focus on it, but I was very disappointed when they started speaking english. Shame too, it was a beautiful movie.

>>86882214
>this is getting so tiresome, why would they cast Asian people in an Asian setting!

>>86887003
No, she was a young woman taking her elderly fathers place in the Imperial Army. Where did this bandit nonsense come from?

>>86886690
>Elektra was the love goddess and she's Asian.
Dude, she's not asian. How would you even think that?

>>86888133
>/co/
>Knowing jack shit about comics
Shouldn't surprise you at this point bro

>>86883780
The part about them finding her never happened, either. They never knew until some of them went calling on her after she served. Only then did they discover who she was.

>>86884352
We should probably save that for the Pocahontas movie :)

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>>86888133
Because she is. Atleast half of her is.
Wow I thought she was good looking in Daredevil, she does not look good when she isn't in motion.
>>86888191
The show makes Elektra adopted by Greeks after being raised by Stick. She's played by a Mixed actress.

Disney released a statement

>“The spec script was a jumping-off point for a new take on the story that draws from both the literary ballad of Mulan and Disney’s 1998 animated film. Mulan is and will always be the lead character in the story, and all of the primary roles, including the love interest, are Chinese.”

although

>all of the primary roles

So we're still getting whiteys

>>86884273
You don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

Cleopatra was of the Ptolemaic dynasty, descendants of Ptolemy, a general of Alexander the great. They were Greeks and were very keen not to intermingle with non-Greek locals.

In fact Cleopatra was famed because she broke with the family traditions and learned the local language etc.

>>86888304
Probably with Blacks and Latinos too.

>>86882214
Honestly, I'm more questioning why they're remaking it? I can get why they did Cinderella and Sleeping Beauty; both movies are dated and a new treatment was a good idea (execution's another story).

But...Mulan still holds up well.

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>>86888432
>why they're remaking it

Because they want money and their remakes make money.

>>86888432
Money. That's why they did the others too.

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>>86883021
>Well so is putting black people in the background of stories like Cinderella, but it's happened.

lmao no it isn't you fucking racist bitch

>>86883105
Don't forget Asian's problem with other Asians>>86882974

>>86888526
>>86883105
almost no one cared that Billy from the recent Magnificent Seven movie was korean and was portrayed as chinese

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>>86882214
>Bitching about blacks not represented in movies
>Bitching about Asians not in movies.
>There are more Hispanics in USA than both Asian and Black.

>>86888559
Huh, I thought it was Japanese/Chinese swaps that trigger people

>>86885743
The Joestsr bloodline died when they soiled their genes with those dirty Japs

>>86888575
>bitching about Asians not in a movie about China

>>86888575
What's the relevancy of this in a movie taking place in China?

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>>86888575
>There are more Chinese in China than both in America
Just another layer of bitching

we can't escape

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>>86888559
>almost no one cared that Billy from the recent Magnificent Seven movie was korean
An Asian cowboy? That turned off more Western fans than a black cowboy. There just weren't any black Cowboys, and to think there was any Asian is absurd. The fans didn't complain or make a scene since this is what all westerns do now, take away any historic belief for forced diversity.

if blacks can take our spots in movies, why cant we take their spots in their movies?

>>86882214
>Who cares about the race of the actors?
There was a lot of bitching about the cast in Last Airbender

>>86882214
why would there be a white guy in ancient chinktown?

>>86888669
he wasn't a cowboy, hell not everyone from the original magnificent seven was a cowboy

was the native american a cowboy too?

>>86883162
nigga there ain't no whites in hollywood those are literally all jews

>>86888726
There's a lot relative to their population, but it's not literally all.

>>86888669
>There just weren't any black Cowboys

Not true. There just weren't many of them.

You're right about the rest though.

>>86888670
Do whites really want to be portrayed as slaves who get whipped by a fat sweaty southerner and can't do anything but watch as their woman get raped by said fat sweaty southern?

>>86888748
nah nigga literally every single "white" character is either played by a jew or occasionally a homo but there is literally not a single straight white dude in hollywood

>>86888575
we are taking our lands back

>>86888669
>There just weren't any black Cowboys

I mean I'm sure there were a few, most were probably practically slaves in everything but name but that would still count.

>>86888669
Because no one should care about some shitty remake, period.

>>86888764
that shit about slave owners raping slaves is exaggerated

wasn't common

>>86888669
I'm starting to become dubious of the "historical inaccuracy" of some of the casting choices ITT

>>86888803
I remember when an Italian actor (Gian Maria Volonte?) BTFO'd those who attacked spaghetti westerns because the characters spoke English with an accent.

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>>86888241
>During the 18th Century, some Native American women turned to freed or runaway African men due to a major decline in the male population in Native American villages. At the same time, the early slave population in America was disproportionately male. Records show that some Native American women bought African men as slaves. Unknown to European sellers, the women freed and married the men into their tribe. Some African men chose Native American women as their partners because their children would be free, as the child's status followed that of the mother. The men could marry into some of the matrilineal tribes and be accepted, as their children were still considered to belong to the mother's people. As European expansion increased in the Southeast, African and Native American marriages became more numerous.[33]

>>86888754
Actually there were a lot of black cowboys. Being a cowboy in real life was a shitty, low-paying job and was often filled by blacks and Mexicans. You didn't see a lot of black cowboys in cattle drives due to Jim Crow.

>>86888880
Huh I never knew that

>>86888790
Hollywood doesn't care about historical accuracy. Fat sweaty southerner raping slaves gets more buzz than an accurate account on the time.

>>86888778
>Conquistador rape babies
>Natives
You wish, Pablo

>>86888803
What did she say?

>>86888429
As the comical sidekicks, as usual

>>86882214
>Who cares about the race of the actors?
When it's literally set in ancient China and about a Chinese woman? Everyone.

For context: Over the past few days, there's been a completely unsupported and falsified rumor that the love interest of the upcoming "Mulan" film will be a white male immigrant.

The source of the rumor appears to be some blogger who didn't even have a source to link for his rumor. He just made an outrage article and left it at that.

>>86882214
I don't think you even need to be a fan to understand how odd it sounds that the idea of a story set in feudal China has a white actor playing a Chinese character. It's screaming
>"I don't want an Oscar for Best Picture, I want teen girls to see my pretty boy kino."

>>86885138
You could probably get quadruple the amount of actors auditioning for Chinese soldiers and villagers for less pay if they did it in China.

>>86883780
>Meanwhile, Disney makes being a soldier out to be something fun

Dude what? Did you just forget about the part where they find a destroyed village with dead soldiers everywhere and implied child death?

>>86888790
Didn't slaves also get paid

>White actor cast as white character
Cool!
>White actor cast as Asian character
Cool!
>Asian actor cast as Asian character
WTF STOP BEING SO INECURE!
>Black actor cast as (previously) white character
OMG THEY'RE FUCKING UP THE LORE

>>86890062
Was this blogger himself a white guy?

>>86892278
http://blog.angryasianman.com/2016/10/an-open-letter-to-creators-of-disneys.html

I had assumed not, but I just saw that this is, in fact, a guest post by "ConcernedForMulan". So it COULD be a white guy; the world will never know.

>>86892271
Fuck off tumblr.

>>86883097
I didn't even know Don King was raped

>>86893840
You know it's right

>>86890062
What

This is "Wonder Woman will be Kryptonian" again?

>>86890062
>Over the past few days, there's been a completely unsupported and falsified rumor that the love interest of the upcoming "Mulan" film will be a white male immigrant.

It's not an unsupported and falsified rumor. There was a script written by Lauren Hynek and Elizabeth Martin, who have done interviews about their involvement and even recently were posting on Twitter about the film. Now a spokesperson from Disney is saying that the script was purchased as a "starting off point" and that the "primary characters" will be Chinese, not white.

>>86882974
>Les Mis is a festival of Australians, Brits and Americans
>Maleficent doesn't have any French people
>Belle is is a Brit slag
>nobody cares

>Milan gets an OC with the wrong Asian background
>outrage

Nom de dieu.

>>86884399
no, because no one saw it

>>86882214
Matt Damon

>>86883642
It was also a movie that bended the true story of a Frenchman to make it about an American.

>>86886701
>they made Mulan a lesbian.
What?
Why?

Did people actually think China-loving Disney wasn't going to go with a full-Chinese cast for Mulan?

>>86883708
>no Risky Business
Wew lad

>>86883738
Literal Romans made contact with China. Circus artists to be precise.

>>86883732
This.


And Vanilla Sky and Legend.

>>86894349
She's in love from the lady from sleeping beauty, if I recall.

http://www.eonline.com/ca/news/501460/once-upon-a-time-s-jamie-chung-speaks-out-on-mulan-s-gay-reveal-her-heart-is-with-aurora

>>86883750
Tropic Thunder is really, the only role where Tom Cruise actuslly acts.

The problem with him and some actors, they just use the same voice and facial expressions so you can't see the character their playing, you just see the Actor.

>>86894117
The script exists. The white male protagonist does not, barring any actual evidence from the script itself, which remains under lock and key.

>>86894546
Cruise usually acts the shit out his roles, and can be versatile. He just reached that point of brand recognition where you only see the actor, not the character. It's a similar issue with guys like Johnny Depp.

>>86894527
Nobody here will believe me, but I think they stole this from /co/. Once upon a time there was a weird interconnected Disney AU that portions of /co/ worked on. It involved the plot of Sleeping Beauty, but instead of switching Maleficent's curse from 'die' to 'sleep,' Merryweather switches it from 'die' to 'die and live again,' causing Aurora to prick her finger and then wake up as one of the undead--a vampire, to be precise.

Anyway, she awakens in a world ruled by Maleficent, and she has to fulfill her destiny and stop her or something. It was a long story that got way too complicated, but part of it was that Mulan was hired by Maleficent to kill Aurora but wound up helping her instead, and they fell in love.

That whole thing was from about the same time. Maybe a few years before, which is when the writers of OUAT would have been putting that season together.

>>86884614
Sisney is making all their cartoons live action now.

>>86894387
There was trade and contact between the two. More than just circus artists. But this was before both the Han and the Romans got wrecked by internal rebellions/ethnic conflicts/military uprisings. And Mulan usually takes place in the aftermath of this.

>>86882214
The Rumor started with a blog called Angry Asian Man.

I wonder what would piss them off?

>>86894681
>/co/ creation
>involves lesbians

Not surprised.

>>86885743
That facial abuse video...

>>86886470
Well, the gingers in general.

>>86882214
well I mean the story takes place in China, so it kinda makes sense to have Asian actors
then again, there's always a push to put a black person in 1 AD Britain
all in all, everyone in this thread is autistic. including me.

>>86894681
I believe it.

>>86883105
Ancient One was a no-win scenario
>cast Tibetan
>movie doesn't come out in China, also stereotyping
>cast Asian from different country
>arr rook same Asian stereotyping, regular Asian wise man stereotyping, AND Tibetan erasure
>cast white person
>whitewashing
I for one am glad they are giving more representation to androgynous aliens

>>86886661
Mulan is about as real as Joan of Arc...so yes real, but we have disney and hollywood retards trying to rewrite history for ticket sales.

>>86883618
It's weird but it was Shakespeare not history

Branagh once filmed Much Ado with Denzel and Keanu as brothers

>>86886728
And they drank radioactive water because they filmed their movies in a desert that was a nuclear test site?

They actually had a lot of guys making that movie die of cancer.

>>86894883
Then they did studio reshoots and they shipped tons of sand from the site for the set. Boy.

>>86888119
Probably tumbler sent agents to fuck with a wiki article.

>>86888669
There were black mountain men and cowboys, but they mostly kept to themselves.

>>86888669
What about Danny Glover in Silverado

>>86888700
Maybe they will bullshit it and say Marco Polo cane over with some friends that stayed behind.

>>86888972
And recently Tribe leaders have denied half blacks as official tribe members and thus are not tecognised, excommunicated and recieve no benifits.

>>86894704
Yeah but most of the trade was through middle East merchants.

>>86891735
In ancient rome, yeah.

>>86894387
This, the acient world had trade between europe and Asia, the middle men where the arabs and hindu indians with the silk and spice road.

It was a long ass and dangerous ass journey though, so I can believe some whie wanting to head to Asia, he'd probably get sick or be robbed and murded or simply run out of money in India and not truly ever make it to China and vice versa if a chinese guy wanted to head west, tge furthest he could realistically make it would be Iraq.

Hence why Alladin is technically a chinese story with both chinese and arab characters.

>>86894681
But that is nothing like what actually happened in OUAT? In fact it's more likely that the decision to have Mulan love Aurora wasn't a planned out decision but a last minute switch after there was some huge backlash about no LGBT characters in OUAT, because up until literally that episode, it was Philip that Mulan was crushing on.

>>86886629
>I don't care if Mulan's love interest is some european merchant guy, since that actually happened

No, that didn't happen.

>>86883159
Do you think that you couldn't find any if you were offering cash and a shot to be a worldwide celebrity?

>>86888696
When did AtLA get a movie?

>>86894945
Hell anyone that was bored enough could have done that. I really don't see what the point would be though.

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I watched this last night. It's pretty good and also authentically Chinese. You people should just not give things your money if you don't support it instead of complaining online. Hollywood only listens to the dollar dollar bill y'all.

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>>86888669
>there were no Chinese out during the 1850's-60's that couldn't have become cowboys

go suck on a colt revolver

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>>86888241
>>86888241
Why not have Asian guys in the Pocohantas movie too?

>>86896551
Who else is gonna play the Indians?

>>86885743
Are you the "white girl with asian bf" spammer? Pretty funny guy.

By the way, Daniele Suzuki's mother isn't white.

>>86883130
No its because all Asians hate all other Asians.

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>>86883618
but that's progressive

>>86882214
They casted an Asian Mulan because hundreds of thousands of Asians signed a petition demanding they don't white wash Mulan.

I mean, why cast anyone other than an Asian in this case? It's not like Disney isn't creative and experienced enough to figure out how to make Asians appeal to an American audience.

While I thought people were being whiny and dumb over the "No black people nominated for muh Oscars" controversy, I do think Asians and Native Americans get the shit end of the stick when it comes to acting roles.

>>86883009
They'll find a way. I imagine they'll get upset when one of the statues that comes to life is done by a Japanese va or something.

Give it time...for like this lotus flower the hate will blossom just when the time is right.

>>86888559
I thought the joke was that Billy Rocks was still Korean, it's just that Goodnight assumed he was Chinese and Billy didn't bother to correct him.

>>86883335
>European
Why not just go multi-racial at that point.

>>86895226
That's why I mentioned the circus artists, they actually did make it to China, although it's unsure if that's where they wanted to go.

>>86895226
Aladdin is probably a euro story from the 18 the century

>>86897524
>Roman Circus performers show up in China by accident

"Man, Anatolians sure are weird"
"I'm sure they think the same thing about us, Jimius."
"Yea but that's literally our job. I mean why these guy's eyes so sensitive, it's not even that bright out?"

>>86897654
Kek, seriously how do you get lost that hard?
Funnily enough the reason it's believed they were Romans is Chinese accounts describing them as weird looking with long noses (and other details that narrow it down more than just "white people").

>>86884352
... would genuinely like to see that.

>>86897741
Yeah that pretty much only rules out black people and Pineapples, and only certain blacks. Almost everyone has longer noses than Asians.

>>86897819
>Pineapples
New racial slur acquired!

>>86894832
Nepal is not Tibet, but is close enough that it ought to be acceptable to all.

>>86882214
>Who cares about the race of the actors?
SORE ARU!

I want Idris to play the love interest.

>>86883159
>5 million people
>not a single decent actor
>lel lets just pick rob schnider he's a good actor right

>>86900462
Rob Schneider has Asian blood though

>>86900808
he also has guaranteed movie roles as long has Adam Sandler is still around

Why are people getting asspained over this and other stupid shit? I'm noticing Asians are complaining a lot more than they usually do. For fuck's sake, they should know they're in a majority white nation whose movie industry is predominantly white.

>>86900887
But Mulan already sold as a movie twenty years ago with asians and a black dude.

Why the fuck did they feel the need to add a white dude for no reason?

>>86900832
I heard he fucked that up and the gravy train left

>>86900916
>black dude
Just because Eddie Murphy voiced Mu Shu doesn't mean that the dragon was inherently a black character.

Whites are the default; Americans can easily relate to a white character than an all-Asian cast. Plus Asians themselves worship whites especially Japanese, Chinese, and Koreans so what's the big deal?

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How about just remove the love interest shit altogether. It was already hamfisted as fuck in the animated version.

>>86900954
But white people had no troubles relating to the all asian cast TWENTY YEARS AGO.

If we let Hollywood cucks decide what is "safe" and "unsafe" for retarded American audiences movies will suck forever.

>>86901151
It was a cartoon.

>>86901151
None of those characters in Mulan were real, thus audiences not being weirded out. Real-life Asians are too foreign for most Western peoples to understand.

>>86900954
I agree, the entire cast of Mulan should be white

>>86901256
Yep. If Japs and other Asians can get away with not having whites, blacks, and Latinos in their shows/movies, so should Hollywood.

>>86901192
>>86901223
Mulan aside, some Asian actors and movies have done very well in the US when given the chance, and for a long-ass time.

>>86901279
Are you talking about Bruce Lee, Jet Li, and Jackie Chan? Those guys only fulfill a niche interest in kung fu flicks.

>>86888575
You're right anon
But I don't think Disney is planning a live-action Emperor's new clothes anytime soon.
And if they did, people will b!+ch about not enough Mayans? Aztecs? In it.

>>86901310
That and Wushu movies like Crouching Tiger or Hero.
Mulan has similarities with those, although yeah it does lack the action scenes.

In the non-kicky genres Korean movies at least have some critical recognition, but yeah that's not really what Disney is going for here.

>>86901223
>American audiences accept magical space wizard cowboys
>American audiences accept giant robot knight rebels
>American audiences accept spandex wearing quip trotting faggots punching each other for three hours
>American audiences cannot into ching chong nip nong

The only people who care about race and gender in movies are the oversensitive producers who fund them.

>>8688370
Say minority report is a good movie again
I will fucking end you

>>86883021
cry some more you fucking racist white faggot. why are pigskins so dense?

>>86901493
Asian stuff is deemed acceptable to Western audiences, but not Asian people barring a qt love interest here and there. You forget that the US fought against Asians in 3 major wars with the Japs, Norks, Chinks, and Viets.

>>86901555
The 3 examples you listed are all fantasy and wish fulfillment; Asians are real and nobody fantasizes about being an Asian except weabs.

>>86901555
How many movies that have an Asian lead and don't revolve around martial arts have even broken 100 million at the US box office?
Hell it's even worse if you only count US-made movies.

Harold and Kumar's best didn't even make 40mil.

>Inb4 Keanu Reeves counts

>>86901800
Exactly. If audiences received Asians better, Hollywood would have no problem casting them. The fact that they don't put people in seats is proof that it's just not worth the effort.

Besides, Asians get good grades, work hard, get into elite universities, and get professional jobs. They have some of the highest income in demographics so why bother with acting?

>>86901761
I tthink the issue is more they're irrelevant than they're disliked.

>>86901761
>Asian stuff is deemed acceptable to Western audiences, but not Asian people barring a qt love interest here and there.
Oh come on, who doesn't love John Cho?
And again, there's the niche audience that enjoys non-fighting Asian movie.

But yeah if I was a jaded exec I wouldn't exactly trust that to do Disney-worthy numbers. Although if anyone can change the trend on name recognition alone it's them.

>>86894853
This. Black people have ONE Shakespeare character they can play otherwise which isn't a great situation. Plus most of the roles are freaking Italians played by Brits which is already a stretch.

Also the Branagh Much Ado with Denzel and Keanu as bros was the BEST casting in any Shakespeare film. One is a bastard, so sure that is actually somewhat reasonable... also it casts perfect Denzel beside Keanu's Razzy-award-winning bad Shakespeare acting. It was so perfect.

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>>86895912
Oh you sweet naive child.

Don't watch the movie without the Rifftrax included. Trust me, you'll be able to laugh instead of crying.

>>86896902
Well Pocahontas in the animation was mostly designed off of Naomi Campbell so that was already a stretch.

>>86901903
To be fair nobody worth noting is trying to make a movie with an Asian lead, and China still holds a lot of the best foreign US box office spots with punching and kicking from the 2000s.
Including number one by a mile.
So I don't think that "people don't like Asians" is really the dominant factor.

However it's like with anything: representation starts with producers, writers and artists in general.
If Asian-Americans want a good Asian-American lead movies, they should be the ones working at making them. Hell Disney has an Asian-American on its board of directors.

>>86901926
That too. Asians are less than 5% of the total population so they're actually depicted in proportion to their place.

>>86901946
Cho is that token Asian dude that works best in ensemble films. He can't carry one by himself. Harold and Kumar was a miracle because of the fact it was an Asian stone film; something we haven't seen before.

>>86902113
Well they did model her partly on her VA, Irene Bedard, who is native Canadian (with obviously some French in there) and actually kind of looks like her.
My internet is shit right now so I can't upload pic to prove my point but I'm sure some kind anon will.

>>86902193
A little lower I think. Whites are over represented by the largest margin, then blacks by a much smaller one. Latinos are the most underrepresented. Unless you want to complicate shit with Hispanic Demographics and Jews.

>>86902193
Cho is that token asian dude in ensemble movies because that's the role he gets. He seems like a pretty good actor to me, and he's charismatic.
He's certainly much better than whoever was playing Kumar.

>it was an Asian stone film; something we haven't seen before.
I'm being a bit cheeky here but
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Chong
literally one of the 2 inventors and first leads of the stoner movier genre was a chinese guy.

>>86902230
>Unless you want to complicate shit with Hispanic Demographics and Jews.
Might aswell, it's pretty fucking stupid as is.
Where's muh French heritage actors in all those US movies make about France?

>>86902311
Chong passes for white, you can hardly tell he's got Chinese blood in him if you met him. I always thought he was some kind of Latino dude and that Chong was a bastardization of some European name instead of an Asian one.

>>86902230
I agree that Latinos need more representation. I'm surprised we haven't seen more Latinos heroes in NYC of all places.

>>86882214
There's already a live-action MULAN, dammit.

>>86902419
In comics maybe, I can see why they'd be underrepresented in other mediums. Because they're not, they just have their own media that they're still culturally linked to for the most part. If you want to look at Latino people, you have a shit ton of stuff coming right over the border and even from Cali and Texas. A lot of Asian-Americans on the otherhand have a larger disconnect with actual Asian media.

>>86902340
He's Canadian so at least 50% Asian.

>>86902419
I wonder if there's some discrepancy between latino and mixed representation

>>86902623
The charts I see don't really account mixed people and they just use the term Latino. There's no saying where the likes of Charlie Sheen or Zoe Saldana fell.

>>86902623
Mixeds get pigeon-holed in 1 category usually or ignored. If you're half-black half-white, you're usually seen as black by whites.

>>86902660
>Charlie Sheen
He's got Irish and Spanish ancestry so he's classified as white.

>>86902746
Like most Hispanics

>>86882214
Actors should at least somewhat look like the character they are hired to portray. In a story set in China about Chinese people it makes sense to have at least vaguely Chinese looking actors. Hiring a white actress to play Mulan is about as stupid as hiring a black man to play Abe Lincoln.

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>>86900887
Many people do not think of the United States as a white majority country anymore, and it won't be one for long.

And because Asian people do not like to be thought of as a model minority anymore. They are tired of being patronized.

>>86902340
That's why I said I was being cheeky, I realize he doesn't particularly seem Chinese, especially his demeanor in character.
Just saying, an Asian starring in a stoner comedy is technically the opposite of new.

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>>86902439
>there's already a live action Beauty and the Beast
>there's already a live action Jungle Book