I've got a question guys... The creators have said there

>>86816831
Who knows, maybe they reverse engineered them from leftover gem technology or something

>>86816831
>But if they never had those, what prompted the development of computers in the show's timeline?
tumblrinas

>>86816831
How would we know?

The staff probably doesn't understand that wars are the source of all this fantastical technology we have today, moreover it's a cartoon.

>>86816831
>The creators have said there were no World Wars or Cold War in the show's historical timeline.
Why do they insist on making the show's setting as bland and retarded as possible?

>>86816831
Autism

>>86816881

I suppose that would make some sense, but if that were the case, wouldn't it be likely that humans wouldn't be completely defenseless in the case of an invasion of Earth, as seems to be implied frequently.

>>86816890

Obviously we can't, this is a thread for idle speculation cause its fun.

>>86816913

Primarily because they want the humans to be completely defenseless in the face of the Gem's overwhelming technological superiority.

Which is hard to argue when they're still running around with medieval weaponry.

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>>86816831

>>86816913
>>86816831
It's just establishing that this Earth has its own history separate from ours. So many things happened differently that it would be retarded to automatically assume the exact same wars happened.

They never said humans NEVER went to war with each other. But America's formation and development was completely different, their relationship to other countries are probably totally different, just a lot of differences all around.

Also it's a fucking cartoon.

>>86816831
How does that track with stuff like Connie's rant about Peak Oil?

If humans aren't fighting wars over the dwindling oil reserves should she be that freaked out over mankind's dependency on it without alternative fuel sources?

>>86817061
>It's just establishing that this Earth has its own history separate from ours.
That's all fine and dandy but they make human society outside of the retards and teenagers in beach city complete nonentities. "Hey, maybe it would be interesting to see how people and human society deal with living alongside with aliens and magic." "Well they just ignore it obviously." Come on.

>Also it's a fucking cartoon.
Shut up.

>>86817124
no you shut up

>>86816886
are you fucking stupid

>>86817065
They are fighting, but in different wars.
Because whole SU Earth is different, even in geography. There is a giant hole in a middle of Siberia. How is Cold War possible if half of the Russia is absent?
Et cetera.

>>86817124
>That's all fine and dandy but they make human society outside of the retards and teenagers in beach city complete nonentities.
That's because the story mostly takes place inside Beach City.

>"Hey, maybe it would be interesting to see how people and human society deal with living alongside with aliens and magic." "Well they just ignore it obviously." Come on.
Sure they have better things to worry about. When aliens and magic are real your interest in them can only really go so far when you can't do anything about it. It's like being interested in the weather. The weather is extremely important, it defines so much of our lives, it's constantly all around us, but unless you're going to be a meteorologist you're not going to give much of a shit outside of whether or not it directly inconveniences you.

>Shut up.
Nuh uh.

>>86816831
We at least know that they had times something similar to the Crusades and the age of colonization, as Connie had three games that were the Equivalent of Age of Empires, Civilization, and Crusader Kings 2 on her Laptop.

Ronaldo also mentions wars and what not when he goes on about sneople. We also know Anime has made it to the States, implying something similar to the American occupation of Japan after WW2.

>>86816831
because since major world governments werent as tyranical, inventions werent hidden from the masses as much.

>>86816985
If people followed that logic, then there wouldn't be /co/ anon, ya goof.

>>86816831
whatever who cares fuck you

>>86817256
>Hurricane headed toward Florida
>potential for serious damages/ loss of life
>no announcements or warnings
>no government agencies to help in emergencies
>everyone ignores it cause "I've lived here my whole life so I don't care about the weather"

The other reason that justification is retarded is the fact that for most of the time there have only ever been 3 gems on Earth and they're not doing talk shows and shit. So that leaves two logical conclusions to follow
1: there's a bunch of other magical shit happening all the time that make humans familiar enough with magic that they don't really give much of a fuck about three aliens. In which case there would be some government stooges or some other shit around to deal with them and probably should be fucking with gem shit too. Or...
2: No one really knows about any of it in which case all this shit should be pretty extraordinary.

>>86817124

What does any of that have to do with world wars?

>>86817415
every in Florida was fine though
think some people more central went without power for a while, but otherwise fine

>>86817448
Nothing. I never said there had to be any world wars. I was just talking about world building in general.

>>86817451
>missing the point

>>86817451

Thank you captain hindsight!

>>86817415

>they're not doing talk shows and shit

gems have been seen on money

> In which case there would be some government stooges or some other shit around to deal with them and probably should be fucking with gem shit too.

but why though? you're trying to say that it doesn't make sense because that's not how it'd be work on our earth, but it's an alternate timeline where aliens have been on earth since fucking forever.

>>86817481

>I was just talking about world building in general.

the show isn't supposed to be about the history of an alternate earth. it seems like you're just angry that the show isn't what you want it to be.

>they fell for the "war magically superboosts science" meme
Reminder that the biggest leaps have always been made during times of peace.

>>86817508
>but it's an alternate timeline where aliens have been on earth since fucking forever.
Yes and weather has been here for fucking for ever but there's still shit in place to deal with it.

>the show isn't supposed to be about the history of an alternate earth
I'm not saying it should be but it's a lazy way to build a setting by handwaving human inactivity because apparently humanity is nothing but a bunch of incompetent retards.

>>86817415
You seem to miss out on:
> you're not going to give much of a shit outside of whether or not it directly inconveniences you.
Obviously people in Florida care, and people whose job it is to take care of Florida care.

But for random people on the other side of the country who have no relation to Florida or the people in it, it's just a conversation piece.

And for the people in Florida, if the hurricane passes through without destroying much of their home, it was just a passing situation that they momentarily evacuated for, like the people of Beach City did when a giant hand came down from the sky.

Nerd 1: I wish there was a way to deliver pornography faster than the monthly Playboy.

Nerd 2: I wish there was a way I could anonymously troll people and everyone would read my unfounded opinions.

Nerd 3: Guys, we're on the cusp of making history!

>>86817557
It doesn't matter if random fuckers sitting on their asses in Ohio care personally. There are institutions in place.

>>86817312
maybe that would be a good thing

>>86817617
But the story focuses on the random fuckers in Ohio. Random fuckers don't interact with the institutions.

And the thing about institutions is, the Crystal Gems have already established themselves as an institution for all the alien and magic shit on the whole planet. They are always going around telling humans to fuck off from the alien and magic shit because they're there to take care of them. Why don't humans form an institution to take care of aliens and magic? Because the Crystal Gems already exist as that institution pre-empting all the magic monster attacks that happen wherever Garnet can future vision them, it's that simple.

>>86816831
it's kinda chauvinistic to assume that warfare is a necessity for the development of technology

you think Babbage was inspired by the Napoleonic Wars?

>>86817124
it is a show for children

>>86817553

>Yes and weather has been here for fucking for ever but there's still shit in place to deal with it.

That's because the weather doesn't magically take of itself. If Hurricanes disappeared before they came near land do you think the government would be providing aid to florida?

> it's a lazy way to build a setting by handwaving human inactivity

Not everyone wants to dedicate precious minutes of an episode just to explain something for people who want a show with deepest lore.

it is a show for children

>>86816831
Wars generally speed up technological progress but it obviously isnt dependant on them.

>>86817288
Not necessarily. If there's no WW2, it could just be that the Showa era didn't see the rise of Imperialist nationalism.

>>86817680
>But the story focuses on the random fuckers in Ohio.
No it mostly focuses on 3 out of 3 magical space aliens on earth that once almost destroyed a planet.

Why would people put all of their unwavering faith in space aliens? No oversight? No regulation? No documentation of possible dangers? And since gems have been around a long time they do know how dangerous they are. So all the governments of the world would rather be blissfully ignorant?

>>86817718
>If Hurricanes disappeared before they came near land do you think the government would be providing aid to florida?
I guess the history of gem wars and dangerous insane gem monsters all over the place doesn't count as 'hurricanes hitting land'?

>Not everyone wants to dedicate precious minutes of an episode just to explain something for people who want a show with deepest lore.

>O hey there's a plot hole in my novel
>I could rewrite it a bit and provide adequate explanation
>nvm that's too much work if people ask on my tumblr I'll just say a wizard did it

>>86816831
Sugar is a hack.

it is a show for children

>>86816831
The show goes out of its way to show you that any conflict can be diffused, delayed, or avoided rather than ever actually making hard decisions

The universe itself bends to accommodate this, so how could we have had a world war?

>>86817798
I always assumed gem monsters were decently rare and the few times they do show up near humans it is taken care of by the CG. I figured they were rare enough and didn't cause enough trouble to be worth a federal agency, and too wide spread to be worth any given state setting one up. Beach city gets the brunt of it, and the gems take care of it before there is damage most of the time.

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>>86817835
>hey this novel about dudes living on the beach is coming along nice!
>I should add in something about how the towns economy works
>naw, it has nothing to do with my narrative and doesn't fit the feel for this book.

Seriously, if we don't get an explanation about gem hierarchy and how the Diamonds interact, that would be an oversite. Explaining why there isn't a bureaucrat living with the gems at all time is not.

>>86817835

>I guess the history of gem wars and dangerous insane gem monsters all over the place doesn't count as 'hurricanes hitting land'?

The gems stop them before they do anything.

>>86817980

>The show goes out of its way to show you that any conflict can be diffused, delayed, or avoided rather than ever actually making hard decisions

But that's wrong.

>>86817835

>not knowing every little detail of the universe is a plot hole

no

>>86816831
They're about 10 years behind, that's why Steven has a Game Cube

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>>86817980
Do you even watch the show?

Seriously, did you miss the entire point of the last like...10 episodes?

>>86818161
>>86818191
Government agencies and shit is all beside the point really. I don't think we need a bunch of episodes about government operations and shit but people should be something other than useless drooling retards. Even though the gem's supposed core motivation is to protect earth and the humans but they don't seem important at all. They're just background material and space filler. SUfags always bitch about filler episodes in beach city, well here's the problem.

>>86817312
Imagine a /co/ where people had the ability to let things go. To accept to maybe somethings aren't worth the effort to type out a reply.

>World Wars never happened, therefore
>WW2 never happened, therefore
>The Holocaust never happened.
>Israel has no right to exist

Is Steven Universe secretly the most antisemitic show on tv?

>>86818191
>>86818191
>>86818236
How can you have a plot all around protecting something yet do nothing to make that something seem significant?

>>86817980
> Steven had to destroy and jail Bismuth forever, again
> Steven could not save Jasper
> The Lapis/Jasper relationship has been resolved by Lapis punching Jasper through the air, for now
> Steven accepted that his mom had to kill Pink Diamond
> Steven threw 5 gems into space

>>86818236
now THIS is a legitimate complaint. The people in beach city are important for the slice of life half of the show, but the show also has this whole magical space war plot that they have no part of. There are episodes where the gems interact in the beach peoples life, but other than the one episode with the pizzas helping beat that pufferfish monster, they never interact with the gem war plot. I don't even expect them to take up guns and shoot at the monsters, I just want to get some more cross interaction with the humans and the half of the show we all really care about.

>>86816831
It's shit and the staff are all hacks. The people that say this show was ANY lore are a complete joke.

Shit show, awful fans, extremely overrated, agenda pushing

>>86816891
>The staff probably doesn't understand that wars are the source of all this fantastical technology we have today


This.

Think about this.

The Cold War effectively ended thirty years ago.

The faggots writing this retarded shit have lived their entire lives during the Pax America, the longest period of the greatest peace in history, ever, period.

These fools do not know what an existential threat feels like, that sort of stultifying pressure that modern society could be obliterated without warning on literally any day.

So, we have these geniuses who think this peace is normal.

It's going to be a very, very cruel awakening.

This thread shows how fucking retarded Steven Universe is

>>86818447
You.

Type like

a jackass.

>>86817065
>Connie's rant about Peak Oil

Wow, I really did not think it was possible for my respect for this show to actually fall any lower, but look! There it goes!

Does anybody with half a brain still believe in this retarded Peak Oil nonsense? Really?!

>>86818474
>Does anybody with half a brain still believe in this retarded Peak Oil nonsense?
Well, as far as I'm aware there's not going to be any new oil in the ground any time soon.

>>86818463
>You.
>Type like
>a jackass.

:D

I'm sorry, did I miss the 4-chan posting style manual?

Care to give me a link, so I can get my fucking posts to follow said stylistic guidelines?

or are you a fucking retard?

I'm betting retard! :D

>>86817516
You're an idiot. Countries with war have shit loads of advanced technology and science while peaceful tribes rarely go past using fucking hoes for farming. It doesn't magically boost it, production of technology is boosted to keep up with demand for the war and to find better ways of defeating enemies.

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>>86818509
You can be a dickhead if you want. I can't stop you.

Also:
>>86818447
>So, we have these geniuses who think this peace is normal.
>It's going to be a very, very cruel awakening.
Fucking kek

>>86818474
>14 year old dweeb in the show tries to act hard by talking about preparing a Mad Max-esque dystopia
>Later in the same episode she can't muster the guts to fight and claims she "wasn't prepared for this."
>You take this deliberately cringey line as the author's viewpoint rather than as a means of characterizing Connie.
Context means everything.

>>86818552
It characterizes the dweeb as being "All bark, no bite" when it comes to such situations.

>>86818666
it characterizes her as have read a bunch of internet and buying into this way of thinking that is new and novel to her. Then when the reality of the situation is put in front of her, she can't handle it.

As is explained IN THE NEXT FUCKING EPISODE!

>>86818704
That's what I said, no?

>>86818474
>Does anybody with half a brain still believe in this retarded Peak Oil nonsense
Do you think oil is getting replenished at a greater than or equal to rate than it is being consumed?

>>86816831
>trusting Matt "The Liar" Burnett on giving legit info on the show
What a stupid idiot.

>>86816831
That one faggot also said there was no religion in SUland. Ignore blanket statements unless they are supposed in show.

>>86817124
This show is not exactly an exercise in detailed worldbuilding.

The world outside events depicted in the show doesn't exist and I'm sure the writers have put exactly zero thought into what the general state of the Earth would look like if it did.

>>86816831
>The creators have said there were no World Wars or Cold War in the show's historical timeline.
I'm having a hard time believing that. This is a world where war exists. The Cold War had to have happened.

>>86817451
>almost a dozen dead, rampant flooding and power outages, gale force winds
>everyone's fine
Tampa bay detected, I just learned you fuckboys get lucky almost every year.

>>86816831
Literally "because it's a cartoon". The show wants to be serious and to ignore the effects of the show's events on the rest of the world.

SU wants to have its cake and eat it too.

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>Yo Connie, check this out!

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>>86818250
>hitler went to art school without butthurt frogs denying him, became a renowned painter
>Jews continued existing in Europe normally without anything to solidify any kind of victimhood or need for a state
>without Israel to get salty about, many radical folk never form groups that'd grow to militaristic power later
>Egypt and much of the Middle East likely have far more stable amicable governments with little theocracy
>Palestine is peaceful and not a mess
>oil is relatively un-fought-for
>no 9/11, no Isis, no M.A.D., none of it
>without so much radicalization, the fear of violence is lower, meaning less attempts to ban gun ownership and home defense
>without so much anxiety it's even possible there's less racial tension, less crime, less distrust, more freedom, far less online surveillance for sure without terrorism to justify it
My god.
It's beautiful. So beautiful.
We just missed it.

>>86818981
Without ww1 there's no 2, thanks to the lack of the Treaty of Versailles raping germany's economy to shreds and fostering such resentment. Without ww2, there's no Cold War, because no shit there wouldn't, there may not even be nukes. One can only imagine.

>>86819056
Oil would probably still be a problem. But the system of unternational government relations is rooted so deeply in WW2's outcome it's impossible to predict what a world without that would be like.

Liberal writers tend to imagine fantasy alternate timelines where they get to keep all the benefits of tragedies of the past while still getting to be angry at yesterday for not being tomorrow.

>>86818526
>Countries with war have shit loads of advanced technology and science
What about afghanistan and other middle eastern countries?

>>86819107
They were invaded, rather than choosing to actively engage in war.

>>86816831
Obviously the Kaiser's decree.
Wilhelm III ordered the first mechanical computer to help him with math.

>>86819081
I remember this 90s Titanic adventurer game where one of the endings is where your character actually prevent WWI from happening (despite the Arch Duke getting shot). Meaning the Russian Revolution never happen and Lenin and Stalin where apprehended, WWII never happened, and Hitler got accepted to art school.

>>86819107

Islam makes them retarded :^)

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>>86819101
Oh shit, I just remembered, the fucking Ottoman Empire!
What happened with them? Did they ever exist?
Did archduke Ferdinand avoid assassination attempts completely?
Ho-lee shit, this opens the goddamn flood gates.
Let's think here, we're somewhat smart people...
So we know militarization, alliances, industrialization, and nationalization leading to WW1 didn't come to a bloody head in this timeline...ok
Nationalism probably never caught on back then, not enough contention to fuel it...so less words against it would exist in the history books as it wasn't a problem.
Communism blew up in Russia WW1...so that might not have happened.
Oh my god, you do realize SU might really be a setting where communism, nationalistic facism, and modern middle eastern strife never fucking happened?
Jesus, it must be a borderline fucking paradise compared to our timeline. No self-hating German government officials, no wave of displaced Syrian immigrants causing a bunch of contention and such, dear god, the world wars really fucked things up for us down the line.
No communism crushing billions, no wide-spread theocratic despots in the Middle East who swooped in during the now nonexistant Cold War, less haggling for oil with maniacs, no decades of fear of atomic annihilation, oh it's a good, good world indeed.
I think the whole "aliens want to blow it up" thing is the biggest and only major drawback. Sign me the fuck up.

>>86819056
WWI would have still happened, which means USSR would have still existed, so the Cold war and M.A.D. might still have happened, but who knows.

>>86816831
Where the fuck was this said?

Was it just said to avoid the "Where were the Gems during WW2?" type questions?

>>86817700
German unification sure was.
The rise of a new Imperial age with national identities inspired protests against the feudal rule of their splintered nation, culminating in the republican revolution of 1848 that was subsequently thrown down by Prussia, just for France to attack two decades later as a unification under the Prussian crown became a certainty.
Now, if we have no world wars, this could mean history took a very different turn.
Perhaps the revolution of 1848 succeeded?
Or we see a series of German unification wars as Prussia and Austria fight for dominance and France does not intervene?

>>86819220
Probably a much softer colonialism as well.

I guess that humans seeing fucking giant monsters pop-up form time to time to wreck their shit made them not so self-destructive.

>>86819220
Let's go a step beyond: no Japanese invasion of China, China doesn't fall to communism for more than half a century.
No Vietnam war, no war in Afganistan, no pretext for the Iran-Iraq war.

>>86819241
>no world wars
>WARS PLURAL
Anon it's real. The better earth is real. Archduke Ferdinand being shot has had ripple effects so insanely pervasive, I dare say it's one of the most influential moments in the history of civilization. Even as a simple ignition of tension, it's still the only one we know. One group of extremist edge lords trying to kill a poncy Royal has irrevocably fucked so many things it's impossible to imagine exactly what the world would look like, we can only take away what did happen and surmise what would happen from what things were like before. But another ripple could be made just as easy, and it could have a completely different effect, better, worse, of just different.
I love shit like this.
It's also why I hate time travel episodes.
>hurr don't change anything
No fuck you, go save that Hungarian royalty, and save us the century of bullshit that followed. Or at least keep communism from happening and my boy adolf into school. Lazy fuckers trying to avoid doing work, even though they're in a position to do so much. Shit at least see what'd happen, I'd be content with that.

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>>86819319
I want that.
I want all this so bad.

>>86818447
Your underage is showing anon.

>>86818447
Yeah, and what technological marvels we created after the Cold War!
All of mobile microtechnology as we know it came after that. Incredible advance in battery tech, diplay miniaturisation and data storage.
We have all the advanced solar and wind power generation develop since the 90s.
The world has entered an age of almost unlimited freedom of trade and travel.
New materials like advanced ceramics and technologies like global internet and experimental deuterium fusion reactors have arisen.

>>86819319
dont forget
>no split Korea
>no defenseless Japan
Wait, wait wait wait!
What
About
Africa?
The colonialism ended really abruptly after the world wars, yeah?
But if they didn't happen, and colonialism was likely different like >>86819288 said, is it possible, no, probable that Africa is a lot better off too? Could it be, that by avoiding such a massive swath of conflict and ideological strife, we avoid giving rise to such chaos that things chug along with the same /relative/ smoothness they were before?
And South America...eh...maybe if the conquistadors were gentler they'd be better off, but that's a big maybe. Still, if the rest of the world is any indication, they're better than they are here by at least a little.
Damn, I bet India even has across-the-board in-door plumbing. Actually yeah, if England can stay around long enough, they probably would.
Ha. Hahaha.
Wow.
We missed out.

>>86819363
A lot of that got its earlier stages and forms rolling during the Manhatten project, when he pulled out all the stops and let the best and brightest have at it and understand how to harness The Atom.
We learned so much from then and since about the atom and molecular physics in general, all thanks to that.
It continued during the Cold War, but we owe the Manhatten project with that initial push in pioneering so much and so many techniques and ideas we used and expanded on so much since then.
We're in a rough place in history, but nothing is ever without some plus sides.

>>86816831
>The creators have said there were no World Wars or Cold War in the show's historical timeline.
Wait, what? Why? Just to pussify it for little kids?

>>86816831
>implying the show's creators know shit about the advent of modern tech and it's roots in said wars

>>86819266
Matt Burnett said it on Twitter.
The tweet is as of now deleted, and Matt is basically Todd Howard of the Crewniverse, not exactly the honest one.

>>86816831
>In our world, the beginning of computers were rooted in early developments of codebreakers during WWII and then later the Cold War.

Nope, computer technology was being researched for decades before WWII, the war just gave them impetus for more.

Why would they make it like that? More reason for Stevens.

>>86819799
In Nazi Germany, development of a digital computer was HALTED due to being "not relevant for the war effort".

>>86816831
I am not even opening this thread.

I know that some people are jizzing so hard over this argument that they are doing cartwheels, but the reason someone said this is simple: they wanted to avoid getting the Gems involved in wars, and some bullshitting resulted.

It would have been simpler to say that the gems (and the corrupted gems, etc) had been in hibernation until the '80s. (But then they'd have to retcon the Dewey-ancestor episodes...)

>>86817237
>There is a giant hole in a middle of Siberia.
Many of der Tsar Bomba

>>86819852
It's as if two incredibly destructive wars in europe stunted technological research for decades.

Of course this doesnt fit into the american narrative of history so they've made a meme that nuclear physics and computers were invented during the war by americans.

What confuses me is that Gems have waged war on every continent of Earth and no human nation has blocked off a gem lab or battlefield and turned it into some Area 51 type deal where they gather tech and reverse engineer it?

Hell, are you telling me in these eras of peace no one bothered to go to the moon and have humans discover there is even more pristine gem shit on the moon?

>>86820099
The Gem War was waged in the locations long before most human civilizations were established there. Most of the modern humans have no idea that Gem War was ever a thing, and likely don't think of the Gem ruins as anything extraterrestrial. And besides, the most of the sites wouldn't have much advanced tech in them, since the CGs had the time and knowledge to scavenge all of it first.

>>86818447
Yeah, let's pretend the Middle East doesn't exist and people haven't been getting bombed around here since 2001.

>>86817237
Siberia being a sea would actually increase the relevance of Russia.

>>86816831
>But if they never had those, what prompted the development of computers in the show's timeline?

Here's a secret
The writers are hacks.
And want their world to be a safe space
Though I still like the show

>>86818981
Have you seen the map of the earth in the show? Russia is basically a giant crater.

>>86816831
No wonder everyone is a huge pussy.

>>86818474
It's forgivable because Connie is just a little girl.

What if, rather than war creating advanced computer tech, it was the needs of business and education that pushed it instead?

Tablets in this context would make more sense.

>>86822059
>the needs of business and education that pushed it instead?
Protip: thats this world.

>>86819056
Islamic terrorism would still be a thing, because America and other Western powers put manmade laws over the law of God.

>>86822084
But going by the OP, wouldn't that been AFTER the World Wars? I'm just proposing that would be the pushing force way further back in history.

>>86822103
But the taliban and Al qaeda and Mohammad and Islam were all started by the CIA

>>86816831
there were gem wars

>>86822130
>Mohammed and Islam were all started by the CIA

Kek out loud.

>>86820179
>Most of the modern humans have no idea that Gem War was ever a thing
idunno. Greg kmade some comments that makes it seem like something big and bad happened within living memory

>>86817124
Usually if you're gonna bring up that it's an alternate history, you'll go into detail about how things are different. Anime does this all the time, the genre this show loves paying "homage" to.

>>86822147
>Kek out loud.
Your newfag is showing.

>>86822009
>Russia got wiped out
At least something good came out of this shitshow

>>86822222
Naw, trying to be original.

>>86822222
I lol'ed out loud

>>86822009
The part of Russia that's a crater is the part of Russia where practically nobody lives. The part of Russia where everyone lives was virtually untouched. At worst that new sea would prohibit Russian eastward expansion, but that's really it.

That crater was most likely formed ~5,000-6,000 years ago too, at a time when human population density was practically nonexistent in Siberia and the vast, vast majority of people lived in the Middle East, India, and China. The worst thing that happened to Russia from that is that it got slightly smaller.

>>86816831
I think those things would still happen, just on a different schedule.

The Enigma machine that was the focus of codebreaking efforts in WWII was a commercial device that pre-dates the war. There were plenty of use for encryption machines outside of war, like in diplomacy, surveillance and business.

Without the impetus of the war effort Turing would have remained an eccentric math professor and would probably still had published his seminal papers on computation. He might even have lived longer. But the fundamentals he discovered probably would've stayed in academia for a good while before the practical uses of computing machines built up enough.

>>86816831
>The creators have said there were no World Wars or Cold War in the show's historical timeline.
Is the earth also shaped like a vagina?

>>86819363
And a lot of that shit was the from the military.

>>86822335
We don't know that. What if all those businesses that were drafted into making tanks and aeroplanes instead invested in this new transistor technology, or something.

>>86822103
Islamic states were way laid back a hundred years ago. Without wars against them to radicalise them they would probably be very chill today

>>86822337
No but Russia is.

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>>86816831
Gem monsters and conflicts. I would rather fight some Germans than a Centipeetle horde.

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>>86819454
No, what happened instead was far worse to the point where Russia is literally just a crater.

>>86822187
Greg is pretty close with the gems and could've been shown the war by Rose Quatrz in her room.

>>86817798

Cause governments don't want to show their hand in all this stuff. For now. There is probably a shitton of people in black suits that constantly monitor happenings around Crystal Gems and gather information.

>>86819012

This is the primary problem with the show. They want to go full anime and have a show with rich, evolving characters but they can't.

Instead they write/are forced to write episodic one offs where Status Quo is God is in a constant death struggle with the writers. They change things, but only very, very slowly and if its possible to completely ignore some character development, they do so.

>>86819128
And because theere hasn't been a german brain drain it is now so technologised that 90% of all Germans can make money as DJs

>>86822937
So this is what it sounds like when a person tries to critique something they didn't watch.

>Status Quo is God
>SU

Nonsense. It's like you just vomited some TV Trope words all over the board.

>>86819266

Said in a tweet that was basically asking why the humans were so fucking useless and why there was no human response when a hostile alien ship just entered their air space and started fucking shit up.

>>86817595
Let me fix that for you.

Government: We need ways for our computers to talk to each other in the case of nuclear war.

Nerd1: Well, if we hook them up like this...

Nerd2: And if we run this software...

BOOM! Internet.

Nerd1: Hey, now that I can talk to guys in Florida from NY, you guys got any naked pictures of girls?

Nerd2: Hell ya we do! Run this software to look at this file.

Nerd1: FAP FAP FAP.

Threat of nuclear war caused the pentagon to fund the making of the internet.

Most peace time advances are driven by people's paranoia that someone is going to come by and steal or break their shit. This is called preparing for war.

Once war starts, they really gear up trying to find a way to kill the other guys faster, better, and cheaper, while keeping their guys alive longer and healthier.

Necessity is the mother of invention. if you don't have a need, you have little motivation to improve or make new things during times of peace and plenty.

Imagine all the cool movies made for, inspired by, or influenced by those wars. All gone. Living in that world sounds boring as fuck.

>>86817061
>But America's formation and development was completely different, their relationship to other countries are probably totally different, just a lot of differences all around.
did they have a war for independence?

>>86818236
>>86818287

Steven is the connection. For all you retards talk about thematic reasoning, you seem to miss the biggest theme in the show.

BEACH CITY IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE STEVEN IS IMPORTANT. Every thing Steven learns though his experiences in Beach City he brings with him when dealing with all the Gem War fallout. And whenever he's shackled with Gem War bullshit, it's through his experiences in Beach City that he's able to come to terms with these things.

That's why Connie is such an important character despite being so useless. That's why it's important to have "irredeemable" characters like Kevin and Marty, to foreshadow and build up to Rose shattering Pink Diamond and Steven sending Eyeball out into the vacuum
of space.

Without Beach City Steven wouldn't have his human connection. Without Beach City he wouldn't have listened to Lapis. Without Beach City he wouldn't have tried to save Peridot and Jasper.

>>86822993

I didn't say that the characters never evolve. I said that they evolve as little as they possibly can.

Most of the humans have had episodes centered on them that should have made huge, lasting changes in their behavior with Steven and the Gems, but they don't act like that because Status Quo is God for everyone except for Steven and Connie.

>>86822103
Word of god: There is no religion. No religion, no Islam.

>>86818447

Cringe

Probably a slower rate of invention.
Every invention we have today would have come to be at some point even if it was by someone else.

>>86816831
>No wars
>Yet the Internet, modern guns, and motorcycles exist
top kek

>>86823140
>Steven is the connection.
You're not wrong but that doesn't fix the the problem. That's great for the character but the setting itself is still pretty shallow. We should be seeing the importance of Earth not just Steven.

>>86818287
>>86823140

it's also worth noting that the CGs actively have (until very recently) tried to dissuade even STEVEN from getting involved in gem nonsense, constantly telling him it's too dangerous and he isn't ready and is too young. If they wouldn't let Steven, part gem and reincarnation(?) of Rose Quartz aid them in gem missions, why in the world would they EVER let humans, beach city or otherwise, get involved? They would actively remove humans as far away from the situation as possible - hell, they even tried to keep the city from being founded in the first place for that reason.

>>86817727
>PG
Nah, they wouldn't rate it that unless it was a kids movie

>>86819363
>mobile microtechnology
>battery tech
>diplay miniaturisation
>data storage.
>advanced ceramics
>global internet
You realize all of these are the result of defense spending, right?

defense spending that was not significantly cut at the end of the cold war.

Without an existential threat like that, do you think we'd have been able to convince people to invest that kind of government money on things like research in this shit? The only reason the research funding hasn't been cut more drastically is inertia, not that people value military development programs innately.

>>86817124
Pretty much. People don't realize how much war has advanced society

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>>86816831
maybe the dark ages never happened as well would be my best guess

>>86824779
That picture is such unmitigated horse shit.

>>86824779
How the fuck do you measure scientific advancement in a graph?

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>>86824876
>>86824918
you can't argue that the christian dark ages didn't have a vast impact on the advancement of man. that was just the first graph i thought of. Not that i think it is 100% right.

>>86824984
As much impact as the burning of Alexandria, or the decline of the Roman Empire.
In fact, you have to thank clerics for preserving books and knowledge while barbarian hordes masturbated all over Europe.
Did the Dark Ages also affected the rest of the world like India and China? Atheists are just as retarded as Fundies.

>>86824984
>you can't argue that the christian dark ages didn't have a vast impact on the advancement of man.
>you can't argue

You can because that's full of shit. The dark ages came as a result of the decline of the roman empire at the hands of the increasing nordic attacks on it's western front along with the increasing size of the Islamic empires on the east such as the byzantine and ottoman empires paired with the plague sweeping parts of what was the former roman empire meaning focus had to shift from the creation of the arts to pure survival. I have no idea if I'm being baited or not, but this is some r/atheism levels of delusion and stereotypical fedora memes tied with sophomoric edgy 13 year old ideals after his parents made him go to sunday school...I mean it's on the actual wikipedia page that the idea that the dark ages came about as a result of chiristianity is a load of bullshit.

don't respond to me, you already lost.

>>86824984
You actually can. First off, the dark ages only impacted a small portion of western europe.

Secondly, this entire article.

https://www.quora.com/Why-did-science-make-little-real-progress-in-Europe-in-the-Middle-Ages-3

>>86825225
Wow, the ACTUAL Wikipedia page? I see you are a regular scholar.

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>>86825254
>yfw christians are actually the ones responsible for the myth of christian persecution of scientists

>>86825272
>Rightfully get called an idiot
>Question the opponent's integrity

>>86818447
The fact that you type Pax America means you know about the Pax Romana, and yet you claim that this "Pax America" is the longest period of peace in history.

>>86824984
I would argue that Muslims turning from advanced scientific researchers to intolerant fundamentalists had a worse impact.

>>86825497
It's written Pax AmericaNA, so he probably didn't knew it was the actual term and thought he was being smart.

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>>86824779

>>86824984
>>86824779
BTFO!!!

>>86816891
This desu.
Major medical, computer, and engineering advances are often driven by war. Writers be dum n sheit. Also who said there were no world wars, was that Burnett?

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>>86824984
You are one of those few people I think would make the world a better place by just not existing. To have such a condescending attitude over something you have the means to read up and learn on but instead take the same approach as those you dislike and simply believe it because it sounds right to you is just pathetic.

>>86825313
Basically, gives a sense of control and justification to be fearful of new technology for thos of the faith
For whatever reason people want to be disgusted by new tech they didn't have in youth.

>>86825646
>was that Burnett?
yes

>>86825533
Then maybe America and Russia shouldn't have used the Middle East as their toilet.

>>86825272
You sound like a teacher in 2005.
>Wikipedia? HA might as well site graffiti as a source

>>86825688
To be fair wikipedia's long since been taken over by political and corporate interests.

>>86825683
The conversion started to happen way before those countries were even ideas.

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>>86825679
Of course it was. That guy's a fuckin moron.

>>86825688
I sound like a teacher in the present day, you don't use Wikipedia, you use the source at the bottom of the Wikipedia page.

Listen to your fucking educators.

>>86825736
Total rusemaster tho.

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>>86825619
If only Emperor Hwan hadn't activated the mass-autism arrays. The Finns did nothing wrong.

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>>86825777
>>86825619
>>thinking the earth is older than 6000 years

>>86817980

Reminder that WWI would have been dead in the water had the Russian ambassador to Serbia not died of a heart attack minutes before signing a peace deal with Austria.

>>86816831
It's almost like this show is a inconsistent piece of... shit?

>>86826265
B-But it has lore and lesbians like Adventure Time, so it must be good!

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>>86818447
An embarrassing display

>>86825619
Did the Finns or Hwan colonize the solar system?

>>86816831
>In our world, the beginning of computers were rooted in early developments of codebreakers during WWII and then later the Cold War.
>But if they never had those, what prompted the development of computers in the show's timeline?
It was bond to happens anyway. all the ingredients were there. The war served asa catalyst, accelerating things, but sooner or later, computer and all the other stuff were goingto happens anyway.

>>86816891
>>86825646
>>86818447
see>>86826377
No, War or not, advancement of technology would have happened.

>>86826377
Gem technology aswell, and most importantly It's a cartoon.

>>86817288
>Ronaldo also mentions wars and what not when he goes on about sneople
Dogcopter also feature Armed helicopter in its movies, so the concept is at least known.

>>86826399
Can you offer another explanation other than "nuh-uh".

>>86825777
>>86825619
Holy shit, is there more of that?

>>86826530
Basically, war is often just the crystalisation of the new advancement of technology.
It's technology that that really begget war, and simply apply those new findings.

New tech are found, this result in new weapons resulting in new threats resulting in conflict, or new tech is based on resource that are now getting scare so new war emerges.

The 19the century saw the rise of the modern era and had, politically a rather stable Europe.

The war effort can see the focus be put on certain technology, but it can also be at the cost of other.

Basically, you can make a analysis of all the knowledge available before war and see that all the ingredients were already there before the war.

>>86821228
This, so hard. What is Ukraine?

There's no economic isolation, but tensions and posturing are still very alive.

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>>86825777
>the war on autism
>ongoing

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>>86826538
Only artistic interpretations sadly, much of what was known of the Hyper War has been lost, especially following the destruction of Maldek.

>>86826614
It should also be noted that while war might spur research, large-scale development and implementation occurs after the war is over because of resource allocation issues.

>>86826538
>>86826802
/his/ memes are spreading, great

The thing I call Bullshit on is the fact that their are no holidays. I understand it was done so they wouldn't have to worry about the stereotypical holiday specials, but come on. They could have easily made different holidays. I mean humanity throughout history always created celebrations to distract them from how much life sucked, yet SU writers are saying no holidays exist?

No wars cause hippie peace lesbia we get it. How long till steve just murders someone or someone he loves gets murdered. That would be funny. Preferably pearl

>>86825741
For schoolwork, yes. For arguing on a Navajo toenail clipping site, Wikipedia is better than most other sites.

>>86827186
there is no Hollydays in the literal sense
HOLLY days. No religion, no Holly celebration.

But we have literally see parades and events and school have vacation times.

there is hollydays, but not with the religious part of it.

>>86827213
Well, that's what fanfictions are for.

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>>86827186
>>86827286
They have horror party celebration.

>>86816921
>wouldn't it be likely that humans wouldn't be completely defenseless in the case of an invasion of Earth, as seems to be implied frequently.
Actually, it would.
Remember, technology advanced by an incredible amount since the Gem War, Lapis herself outright states this in Message Recieved. The gap is so great that even massively powerful weapons from the war, such as the Laser Light Cannon, do nothing to a single reconnaissance ship. Hell, they didn't even have the ability to transmit video signals until after the war, or if they did the practice wasn't common place.

>>86816913
Because they want a safe zone cartoon, so no meanie wars can exist there

>>86827186
>The thing I call Bullshit on is the fact that their are no holidays.
They literally show New Years in an episode.

>>86827186
They only said there's no Christmas and Easter, not that there's never any holidays.

>>86827571
Except for the thousand year war that's a constant plot point but whatever.

>>86827414
The gemtech gap isn't quite that big.

>The gap is so great that even massively powerful weapons from the war, such as the Laser Light Cannon, do nothing to a single reconnaissance ship.
Not really. When they used it on a recon ship, they blasted it into rubble. It only failed when they used it on a Gem warship.

>Hell, they didn't even have the ability to transmit video signals until after the war, or if they did the practice wasn't common place.
The moonbase had a communicator with full video transmission. I don't know what's up with the Wailing Stone, though.

The real problem with humans using gemtech against Homeworld is the part where they make and use it. A lot of the Gems' stuff seems more like magic than technology; it's hard to reverse engineer something when you don't even understand the principles under which it operates.

>>86816913
I think World War 1 still happened, WWII didn't.

Most likely, after seeing the result of the Great War, Rose stepped in when she saw a new one was brooding.

>>86826614
This. The best environment for progress is alternating periods of war and peace. You make a big breakthrough during the war, and then afterward you find new uses for it so the profits keep coming in.
Look at all the third-world shithole countries that have been constantly at war for generations. They don't have flying cars or anything like that.

>>86827661
>Not really. When they used it on a recon ship, they blasted it into rubble. It only failed when they used it on a Gem warship.
I don't think you understood anon's point.

>>86827661
>it's hard to reverse engineer something when you don't even understand the principles under which it operates.

A lot of people seem to miss this for some reason. If you just handed a modern computer processor to the Romans they wouldn't be able to reverse engineer it for jack, until somebody invented the first early computer processors that operate on transistor technology.

>The creators have said there were no World Wars or Cold War in the show's historical timeline.


what the fuck is the world history of stephen universe like?!??

>>86816985
I bet this is what people who were against nazi propaganda movies in Germany were told when they pointed out the flaws in the logic.

>>86827963
Yes because that's how Nazism happens, when people don't overanalyze their cartoons about lesbian rocks.

>>86828016
The poster says show, not cartoon.

>>86827661
>I don't know what's up with the Wailing Stone, though.

A two-way radio.

>>86827754
You could start reverse engineering parts of the computer at an earlier point. You'd shave several years off the development of semi-conductors and give material sciences a leg up. But you'd need to have a 19th century understanding of science before you could even begin to start reverse engineering a computer.

>>86828063
That doesn't make a difference.

>>86828016
So what you're say is Rebecca Sugar is literally Hitler?

>>86820099
The human race is dumb and passive in SU due to developing under the heels of beings vastly more advanced and powerful than them. Curiosity would get them killed. This is why Steven rarely asks relevant questions

>>86828176
The longer I stay in this thread the more I hate this show.

>>86822238
>>86822303
It would have aided Russia's eastern expansion. An inland sea is much easier to traverse than the endless tundra of Siberia.

>>86819363
You can thank america's military industrial complex for a lot of that, they're basically running a wartime economy with no war.

>>86816831
>what is reverse engineered gem tech

Come on anon, don't be retarded.

>>86822303
>>86828234
The destruction of Siberia also obliterates 90% of Russia's natural resource base so it'd be relatively poor as shit, especially in cold war era when its economy became highly dependent on fossil fuel

>>86822103
Worst case Islam groups focus their radicalism inward and just blow each other up. Sort of like the radical groups you don't hear about in south asia.

>>86823105
Rose probably participated. Money says she shagged a lot of the founding fathers. Ben Franklin for sure. Probably joined him in his sexploits in France.
>>86828555
The sea would greatly facilitate trade and I'm not familiar with the resource distribution of Russia.

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>Why doesn't there be government bureaucracies overseeing everything in my children's cartoons?

Because then you'd have hours of meaningless committee meeting filler every time a gem monster showed up and seasons would drag on four times as long and during that time the gem monsters would destroy fucking everything.

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>>86828798
Not forcibly.

>>86816831
Computers started because Konrad Zuse was bored doing statistics by hand.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konrad_Zuse

The Imitation Game was insulting shit.

>>86828798
You have no imagination.

>>86828701
Siberia contains about 90% of Russia's fossil fuels and mineral resources so losing it would do irrepairable damage to its modern era economy that couldn't be compensated for with quicker trade with central Asia. It would likely stay a third-world agrarian country, and wide-scale industrialization would be extremely unlikely at the same time frame it happened IRL.

>>86828958
There would be fish instead. not an as bad trade as you might think.

>>86828984
Fishing would not allow them to become a super power, anon.
At best, they become a trade hub between Asia and Europe in this timeline.

>>86828984
Still much, much worse than a nigh-infinite supply of mineral resources, and contributes nothing to Russia's already strained efforts at industrialization. Russia would definitely be orders of magnitude worse off without Siberia, and probably never a major world player past the 18th century, let alone anything on par of post-war Soviet Union

>>86828967
The Poles invented the machine that broke the enigma code. Touring was just there to improve the algorithms. The machine deciphering Enigma had nothing to do with modern, proper von-Neuman-computers.

The filmmakers didn't want to make a movie about breaking the Enigma code, because every single part of that story was wrong. They were telling the story of a brilliant, gay man who single handedly won the war by inventing the computer.

>>86829069
A trade hub between east to west that allowed water transit would probably have put Russia in charge of the world.

>>86828798
You just said it, it's a children's cartoon. You don't have to show anything, just imply it. That's the magic of writing

>>86828958
>>86829097
You´re assuming that the oil/gas fields would disappear because there is water there?
(The rest would ofc)

That´s not necessarily the case - besides there´s a lot of ressources they could take from sandpeoplestan countries if they didn´t have an abundance already...

Besides the sea would, probably, result in more stable climate and more fertile land in the Russian European heartland.
More persons per area + fertile land is important for creating a modernistic society.
Things EE countries and Russia didn´t have at the same level as the rest of Europe.

I gotta say, I'm surprised this thread is still going, hasn't turned into a total shitfest, and actually has some kinda interesting discussion going.

Good job, /co/

>>86829069
>At best, they become a trade hub between Asia and Europe in this timeline.
That would radically alter it's entire history and economy.

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>>86829271
It's what we do.

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>>86829271
>>86829271
Indeed

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Just because World Wars and the Cold War didn't happen doesn't mean the planet was war free.

Also keep in mind gems had a huge war over the planet, so that counts even if it happened thousands of years ago and didn't have human involvement. A war is a war.

They don't have to necessarily show the humans bureaucratic management, but it would be interesting to see something like humans rolling through a containment checkpoint or something along those lines.

Or maybe Mayor Dewey actually doing something besides be completely fucking useless.

I like the idea, that Steven is just a retard like Chris-chan. All the spacey, magic Gem stuff happens in his head. That's why no one in town reacts to the aliens.

>>86830274
Dude what if this whole time Steven was in a hospital and the whole show happened inside a snow globe and the snow globe was actually Purgatory XD

>>86830316
That would be stupid.

Reading Chris-chan's wiki made me realize he's probably living in a very fantastical world.

>>86829271
Welcome to /co/. It used to always be like this.

>>86830500
He's making fun of the generic "plot twist" you described in your post that's said about literally every single fantastical show in existence.

>>86816831
The first computer was designed in the Victorian age.

And it's just a cartoon.

>>86816831
save yourself the effort and stop watching this gay show.