>You know what the First issue of our Fun kid-friendly superteen

>>86803278
Fuck off, squirrelfag.

Waid did say they'd fight the real issues.

>>86803278
There tallinn real life issues. If you want light stuff and quirkiness read squirrel girl

>>86803278
Wait, this was marjeted as being an all ages book?

>>86803278
I wish Kamala wasn't on the team. I wish Robbie was there. He would have killed the clown.

Isn't this the same Mark Waid that complained about how DC kept trying to be mature and all that?
And he just drops sex trafficking in his own book?
What a fucking hypocrite.

>>86803321
>>86803313

I Knew the killer clown shit was starting to freak everyone out but didn't know waid would count it as an "issue" that needed to be fixed

>>86803360
This was written months before the clown thing

>>86803278
you tell em, OP, we should make some more threads to tell em too!

>>86803332
No. Waid just played on tone and expectations. I know that sounds all literary and shit but its not necessarily a good thing.

>>86803278
>this was given to Scholastic to give to kids

>>86803278
>Teen books are for the kids.
You're like that webcomic about that FCBD DC issue about Futures End with scary cyborg monsters.

>>86803313
>>86803321
Just because there are a few bad clowns does not mean all clowns are evil. Some clowns are really nice people. Some of my best friends are clowns. You need to stop believing in all the media lies about clowns.

Wait a minute. Dindt femvision killed her family?. Or i was rused by out of context pages?

>>86803368
Is Waid part of the clown conspiracy then? Is he trying to tell us that the reason clowns are trying to lure children into the woods is to sell them as sex slaves overseas?

>>86803360

the issue was human trafficking

>>86803356

as far as I know this clown is a new bad guy. DC took silver age goofballs and made them darkngritty.

i think you can read him named Pagliacci as a shot at DC and maybe introspection?

>>86803427
>not actually reading Vision

>>86803401
And yet thousands of websites (and Waid) called DC Adolf Hitler for that.

Then Waid puts a Clown Rapist and sex slavery book and everyone eats it up.

Of course.

>>86803455
I'll take things that didn't happen for $500

>>86803455
>>86803401

Post the webcomic

>>86803278
How much do you want to bet the underage sex slaves are gypsies? Since y'know, Marvel hates them.

>>86803278
Did the sex trafficker really need a theme?

>>86803513

http://www.shortpacked.com/index.php?id=2077

>>86803433
Maybe he is one of the agents assigned to help condition people into fearing them more

>>86803278
>Shit, I came into this book expecting something compfy
You actually expected something other than total shit? Why? The roster is garbage, the creative team is trash, and the premise is retarded.

>>86803524
Stfu faggit

>>86803513

1. no times sq billboards announcements
2. no super bendis word vomit
3. no people on the street getting news from tv
4. no geoff johns special

>>86803672
If you stare into the abyss of autism, autism stares right back.

>>86803278
Why a clown? If Waid wanted to tackle real issue then why not make him a guy in a suit or something?

>>86803810
I WILL rape you

>>86803401
It's crazy because I really can't imagine anything but a kid seeing it as "good guys beating up bad guys" and thinking nothing more than that.

>Mexican nova
>black spiderman
>Chinese hulk
>Pakistani ms marvel
>pink girl Vision
Now THAT'S diverse! Thanks Marvel!

>>86803278
It honestly wouldn't be so bad if Waid had shown the team comforting the kidnapped girls. Especially since Kamala was bitching at CapFalcon ealier that they don't do enough to help the people. It would have made the whole thing worth it and could have been a very powerful moment that shows the team cares about the victims.

Instead you get Kamala pulling the shitty "You can't kill the Joker speech" that's been done a billion times (after saying she's wasn't going to do a speech). And then skipping ahead to everyone checking their twitter.

This could have led to something really emotionally powerful. But Waid just drove past it.

I mean, considering that Scholastic ordered the most copies of this book, OP isn't wrong...

It's kind of fucked up that the very first thing the team tackles is underage sex trafficking. Like, what the fuck? And it's not even handled well!

>>86803908
Sam's Mexican? Huh.

>>86804177
Sorry, I meant to say "brave PoC of Latino-American descent"

>>86804169
>Didn't even wait for the corpse to get cold #Champions

>>86804169
>scholastic ordered the most copies
Source? That's hilarious, Marlel is now read predominantly by school children

>>86803278
I'm confused? I thought Marvel hated edgy stuff like this? I thought Marvel was suppose to be the fun one and DC was suppose to be the edgy one???

That's what Comicsallience told me.

>>86804177
Fucking gross.

>>86803424
#NotAllClowns

>>86804169
>I mean, considering that Scholastic ordered the most copies of this book, OP isn't wrong...

>They're non-returnables
Wow, they just lost a customer then, I guess?

>>86804290
Are you from 2011 Anon?

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>>86803278
Why didn't the Champion just rape Pagliacci?

>>86803823
probably because he still has a hateboner at DC, and wanted to make a not so subtle jab at harley and joker's relationship.

>>86804169
>It's kind of fucked up that the very first thing the team tackles is underage sex trafficking

I just don't see what the big deal is.

>>86804264
BC links, so beware and all that:

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/10/02/champions-1-clone-conspiracy-1-go-second-printings-already/
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/09/09/so-how-did-champions-1-get-400000-pre-orders-anyway/

>>86804363
Are you an idiot? You think this is appropriate for all ages? Or even something targeted at teens? It's heavy stuff and it just shows the kind of person Waid is where he can't turn it off and make something tame

>>86804400
I just don't see a kid thinking much of it. Like at all. I'd honestly have no problem giving Champions to a younger cousin or something.

>>86803278
>DC was suppose to be the edgy one

Isn't Marvel being edgy like their historic claim to fame? The entire universe is just 1 giant hate pile with all sorts of "fucked up just like in the real world!!!" moments happening.

>>86803278
>naming yourself after a clown that gets cucked
Literally cuckclown.

>>86804400

Don't you believe you might be underestimating what 13-18 year olds have knowledge of? I'm pretty sure your average teenager knows sex trafficking is real and not a good thing.

>>86803368
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>>86804475
not in my christian america!

>>86804339
How would Marvel civilians react to that?

>>86803401
Kids read comics? I thought the major demographic was 20somethings to 50 year olds

>>86804475
Kids grow up too fast and know about all the world's evils, but sex trafficking and young whores dying explicitly followed by a social media revolution is not how you open up an all ages superhero book

So has Waid gotten any blacklash on twitter or is this book being praised everywhere else?

>>86804568
Why not? Because you said so?

>>86804652
He's a tripfag. Listen to him. We're more wise than you

>>86804613
The latter.

>>86803278
I thought there was going to be some twist. Like, I thought it would turn out Pagliacci was turning the women into clowns to make them perform in his circus (I thought that's why they had clown make-up).

Boy, I was sure wrong.

>>86804652
It's an explicit display of sex and violence you fuck. What about that is all ages or something that you peddle for scholastic?

>>86804613
Praise though a few didnt like the ending.

>>86804822
>What about that is all ages or something that you peddle for scholastic

The parts where the heroes stop the bad guy from doing bad things and everything is okay.

>>86804850
Why can't they stop the bad guy from doing bad things that don't involve human trafficking and other scary real world stuff that kids see enough of on the news every day? Why can't comics be Fun? Do you hate Fun? Huh?

>>86804568
Kids aren't some fragile creatures that need to be protected from "sex". The real world is more fucked up than any comic can be

>>86804881
Contrary to popular belief, reality isn't stranger than fiction.

>>86804879
Who said they couldn't? I certainly didn't.

And maybe our definitions of fun are different. Did you ever think of that?

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>>86803278
Why is it a clown? Is it really because of that shit about people dressing and creeping people out as a prank? I mean he had to write this months ago, why is it a clown sex slaver?

>>86804920
It's a good thing the heroes stopped the bad guy from doing bad things.

>>86803278
>How dare people continue to like DC? I'll make fun of their Joker by making my team's first villain a creepy clown sex trafficker! That will show them!!!
>It's a Waid is butthurt episode.

Why did Waid have to be out on this? Why couldn't we have gotten someone else?

>>86804879
It's a little much for a first issue and these character really ought to be doing other stuff, I mean I don't think Kamala or Miles ever did shit like this before, but you're being a whiny faggot about this. I do hate Mark Waid though so I kind of want to be on your side however sissy and sensitive it is.

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>>86804881
I know this is fine in every other Marvel book, and it is because they've been targeted towards manchildren for 30 years, but you're delusional if you think half naked underage sex slaves are appropriate for the demographic, in the first fucking issue nonetheless. I have no idea how nobody is chimping out about this being at book fairs

>>86804911
Reality IS fiction.
Everything is wrong.

>>86804545
Those fags would join in

>>86805048
I've said earlier that I don't think a kid is going to think much of it. Do you really believe this is going to scar a kid or something or do you think they're going to see it as a bad guy doing a bad thing.

You are seriously making it sound like they had a whole page showing one of the girls getting raped or something.

So I'm seriously asking: A kid reads this issue what do you honestly believe they are going to think? What exactly do you think is going to happen?

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>>86805048


Marvel book

>>86805060
MOM AND DAD JUST DON"T UNDERSTAND

>>86805081
>Batman has to stop Gordon from instigating mass rapes in the Marvel universe
Crossover when?

>>86803643
That's what pisses me off the most about this

>>86804339
But Doctor........

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>>86805143
>Russia is mean!!

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>>86804997
Except the whole point of the book that Kamala makes is that it's NOT enough to save people and punch badguy. That's why she quit the Avengers and yelled at Sam Wilson.

She hated that heroes don't help capes don't help people or rebuild stuff.

Yet she didnt comfort the victims and Waid didn't show them fix the mine.

So by Waid's own stupid logic, its not enough to just punch badguys.

>>86805127
I think it's very very implicit and not just a bad guy doing a bad thing. The thing I posted is half a page of girls in clown makeup half naked and crying in chains, even a stupid kid could guess what's going on there.

A kid sees this, and they see these strange heroes saving some sex slaves(where one of them dies) and then twitter blows up. What does that accomplish as a first story? Who is going to want to read that again when it's heavy fucking shit showing off the awful things in the world right off the bat?

>>86805263
It's a good thing I was never talking about morals or Kamala's hypocrisy then

>>86805281
>even a stupid kid could guess what's going on
Yeah. A stupid kid can pick up that it's a bad guy doing a bad thing. Or do you think they're going to see it and be scarred for life or strive to be like that fictional bad guy?

>A kid sees this, and they see these strange heroes saving some sex slaves

A kid sees this and they see someone that's clearly a bad guy kidnapping women

>and then twitter blows up
Seeing as how there's been absolutely no backlash so far and the books been out for a good two days now I think you're full of shit. In fact, you are the only person I've seen trying to turn this into a bigger issue than it really is.

>>86804919
Maybe your wrong. Did you ever thing of that?

>>86803278
My issue with it isn't that Waid used sex trafficking for his opening issue, it's that it's so fucking sanitized.
>oh no! underage sex trafficking!
>except we're not going to say sex trafficking or slavery or anything like that
>also it is carried out by a costumed supervillain who paints the girls like clowns! Aren't comics wacky?
>aw no one of the girls died :(
>let's take a moment to tell people that killing is wrong
>we don't need to tell people that slavery is still a huge problem affecting the world
>hey and let's just ignore the other girls and check Twitter, I'm sure someone will be along to take care them
>hey we're a superhero team now! Yay!
>what sex slaves?

>>86805363
It's also because it's Marvel.
Marvel gets away with edgy because they're Marvel. If this was DC then they would be a hundred articles on why it's literally raping the minds of thousand.

>>86805363
You said everything turned out okay. It didn't. A girl died and several others were traumatized.

But who ares, LOL HASHTAG CHAMPIONS TRENDING ON TWITTER XXDDDD

>>86805480
It did turn out okay.
The bad guy was stopped.

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>>86805512
>it did turn out ok
except for the whole "dead girl and massive mental trauma for the others" part

But you know, details

>>86803278
I just wanted cute adventures with Kamala and Viv and Cyclops. I didn't ask for this.....

>>86805568
Yes. Except for that stuff it turned out okay.

I don't know why you're confused.

>>86805512
It didn't tho.

>>86805596
>it turned ok
>except where it didn't
Have you considered auditioning for Cirque du Soleil? The backflipping your doing to avoid being wrong is impressive

>>86805617
It totally did

>>86805666
It turned out okay because the bad guy got stopped and that is all a kid reading this book is going to care about. And that's all I care about since it was what I was talking about before that guy decided to hang on to one thing I said to shift the conversation from "how will this effect kids reading the book" to this.

>>86803278
Marvel needs to die now.

>>86803278
>Waid: How do you want your light-hearted fun young cape book?
>Marvel: JUST FUCK MY SHIT UP, SENPAI!
>Waid: No problem!

>>86805747
And I'm saying that's a terrible way to depict sex slavery

>>86803278
When did /co/ turn into a "think of muh children!" board? Is it because of the tumblr invasion?

I'm not saying this book is good (didn't even read the issue), but I don't see how that's a valid criticism.

>>86805868
I forget the post when I said it was a good way to depict sexually slavery. Can you point it out for me?

>>86804177
His mother is Hispanic, his father is white. Sam doesn't understand what his mom is saying when she gets mad and speaks Spanish at him. He's a Mexican't.

>>86804339
Because they had already killed him.

>>86804822
>It's an explicit display of sex and violence
Oh yes, violence, that thing that's in something like 98% of comics currently being published.

What comic did you read, though? I sure didn't see any sex happening on panel.

>>86805048
>Underage
Where did it say they were?

>>86805911
No, because the argument was whether this subject was appropriate for a book marketed to children

And it's not

>>86805931
When they find the girls I think Miles or Sam says some of them are underaged

>>86805878
>not being able to recognize Squirrel Girl
Lurk more. OP is a troll known for posting the same pasta every day for over a year.

>>86803344
They should let the clown live because obviously the clown is just some crony working in a larger organization of killer clowns in sex trafficking. This way they can interrogate and bust the clown trafficking ring.

>>86805941
Why is it not?
What will happen to a child if they read about someone clearly doing a bad thing, something the book makes pretty clear, getting stopped by superheroes?

>>86804177
He's half Mexican on his mother's side which isn't Mexican at all. One drop doesn't work with Mexicans, they're already half breeds.

>>86803278
If you're gonna do a sex trafficking in your shitty book waid take a page from ennis and go full out in how depressingly horrible it really is

>>86803278
>>Y'know, FOR THE KIDS
>Le ebin Doug Walker meme
Die in a fire.

>>86805941
The book is rated T, it's not targeted to children. It's not an all ages book.

Plus, everyone knows only 20+ manchildren read comics.

>>86806020
But muh flagship series age-appropriate book :^)

>>86805992
Because either you sanitize it to hell and back, which is not only damaging to the public opinion of the practice, it begs the question why you chose to write about sex trafficking in your costumed superhero team up book in the first place, or you go full out and it's depressing as fuck, which isn't a great way to launch your flagship superhero title being marketed to kids and teens

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>>86805048
I've got you covered senpai.

>>86806128
Why did you completely ignore my question about how a child will view the book and say something I don't care about?

>>86806059
>team is entirely teenagers
>not targeted to kids

>>86806178
Kids don''t read comics anymore, try again.

>>86806178
>kids
>reading
Get with the times, grampa.

>>86806178
It's rated T you fucking dense retard. If it's rated T, kids shouldn't be reading it unless their parents let them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_Rating_System

Not to mention, kids don't read comics.

>>86806162
It's not appropriate for children because sex slavery is not something that should be sanitized

>a literal THINK OF THE CHILDREN! thread
When did /co/ turn into such a shithole?

>>86806262
Because you say so, right?
You didn't even answer my question about what it would do to a child if they read it. Is it because nothing will happen?

If they really wanted to put a stop to human trafficking and sex slavery, they should be patrolling the Mexican border since that's where most of it comes from.

>>86806335
If a child reads a sanitized story about sex slavery, sure, nothing will happen. But why would you argue that treating sex slavery as a wacky supervillain scheme is ok?

>>86806389
Most human trafficking happens in Asia, but nice effort I suppose

Let's all be honest and just admit that Waid is fucking past his prime

His last Daredevil run was good but it got repetitive, and not all of his shit was always the best. Superman Birthright is poopy.

>>86806417
Because it's a comic book

Because most children (at least the ones I know) have no problem separating fiction from reality

Because most children I know can easily tell when someone in a book/movie/tv show/whatever is the villain

Because it's not like this is a new thing for comics at all

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>>86805931
They didn't kill him, anon.
Hulk just slammed him with all his might

>>86803672
>plainly explaining the joke in the last panel

This man has been making comic strips for many many years.

>>86806527
>Marvel civilians treating it like Mortal Kombat
Nice

>>86806252
>>86806210
>>86806229

>Kids don't read comics

What's up with you people saying this shit?

Every LCS I've ever been to has had kids buying shit and every library I've been to has had kids reading/checking out comics

>inb4 "ANECDOTAL EVI"

No fucking shit it doesn't happen in EVERY single one

>>86806516
I'm not saying kids can't separate fiction from reality

It just rubs me the wrong way when sex slavery is presented as a wacky supervillain scheme. It's one of those subjects that if you can't address it without sanitizing it, just don't fucking address it

>>86806146
rolling for 7

>>86806389
That wouldn't be PC enough.

>>86803278
I would expect DC comics to do something stupidly edgy like this, but Marvel? What the frick? I thought Marvel and Waid learned from DC that edgy is never good? Has Waid gone crazy?!!

Seriously, you can just hear the Linkin Park music coming off in the OP.

>>86807211
Waid is actually a pretty cool guy by bringing new rapey cheesecake lately. I for one welcome his degenerate storytelling.

>>86807529
Are you now woke?

>>86803278
> scrolling news today
>Backpage.com CEO arrested over sex trafficking allegations

waid is ahead of his fucking time. one day we will look back and be amazed

>>86807598
I am so woke.

>>86803278
I thought Ms Marvel was trebling across the Middle East? How can she be in the U.S?

>>86803278
Why do the girls have clown make-up on?

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>>86803278
>Comics
>For kids

>>86805984
>This way they can interrogate and bust the clown trafficking ring.

Full disclosure, I didn't read the book. Is it a trafficking ring ran by clowns, or are they trafficking clowns?

>>86810318
Both
The clowns kidnap women then paint them to be clowns and sell them on the black clown market (the seediest place ever) as Clown whores.
It's a serious problem in America.

>>86810440
Well there's a demand for it, did you see that thread asking for clowns, "especially sexy clowns"?

>>86803321
>>86803313
>Clown sex slaving rings
Is this a real issue?

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>>86810644
Been an issue since like the 70s, dude.
>I forget only millennials browse nowadays.

>>86804349
>and wanted to make a not so subtle jab at harley and joker's relationship.

B A S E D

Joking

>>86810644
It's gotten worse in America.
Clowns popping up everywhere an kidnapping young girls and turning them into clowns to sell to other clowns.

Sure, some people are rescued, but they are never the same. My sister was one. She better but still can't stop making balloon animals. The scars are still there....

>>86805048
>>86806146
marvel_gang_of_harleys.jpg

>>86810299
Nice meme

Now try having an actual argument

>>86803360
I think Waid just thought an Opera Clown being the perpetrator would make the thing more appropriately COMICS!

>>86806146
Well, it can't be the WORST thing I've ever rolled for.

>>86803424
See, what would help is, if somebody dreamed up a Clown Superhero.

Maybe his superpowers is toon force shit. Or weird gag props or just an entire crew of clowns that roll around with him in a ridiculously tiny car.

>>86805263
Honestly, that page just makes Kamala look pretty dumb. Every single point of Sam's is correct.

Superman fixing train tracks by squeezing the ends together, or Flash speed force learning how to be a building engineer/bricklayer/electrical engineer/glassworker/drywall contractor/carpenter on the spot doesn't, you know, actually work in even comic books "reality".

>>86810948
You mean like Slapstick

>>86803424
#ClownLivesMatter

>>86803524
Everyone hates gypsies

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The clown is actually an old character who used to run a fucked up circus of assassins and serial killers.

>>86811181
More cartoonish than clownish, honestly.

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>>86810278
Because the main trafficker is a clown. It's his calling card.

Honestly, the main problem I had with this is trying to get heroes to fight these "social problems". It reminds me of how Grant Morrison said that 9/11 was the ultimate problem for comics, as writers couldn't just have heroes stop it. When you're getting fictional heroes to fight real-life situations, the end result will not work.

When will Marvel give Sam a cute boyfriend?

>>86803278
Isn't Pagliacci the clown from the joke Rorschach tells in Watchmen

>>86812037
Pagliacci predates Watchmen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0PMq4XGtZ4

>>86803433
No, he's just in on the viraling for Stephen King's IT.

Also nice dubs.

>>86803278
It was advertised from the start it would be about this sort of stuff its not nesecarily a bad thing.
Shame it was total shit.