>#1 - 45,000 >#2 - 37,000 >#3 - 26,000 >#4 - 18,000

Art and Inhumans.

>>86655948
Writing is shit and art is worst.

>>86655948
Shit writing, terrible art.

>>86655957
Even the worst t selling Inhumans book had better sales than this. If anything they brought it up.

>>86655948
It's a bad comic.

What will the numbers for 6 be? Under A-Force and they save Singularity?

>>86656066
Guessing it will reach about 14k in #6 and have a slight bump on #7

>>86656104
>have a slight bump on #7
because NOW 2.0, and eventual cancellation will occur.

>>86655948
Everything seems just about right to me.

Hopefully this kills the Bendis.

>>86656118
Cap HYDRA appearing and advancing the plot instead of the numerous filler issues we had and Songbird returning too.

>>86656158
Anon, they're talking about the latest volume of Thunderbolts, which has been shit all on its own without Bendis's help.

>>86655948
Wasn't it supposed to be something entirely different with Citizen V back when the relaunch happened but then became a Bucky and continuation of the standoff plot? I think that soured people before it even began.

>>86656486
We didn't get anything but a picture of V in the ANAD teaser but that is probably the case. They probably planned to use V and switched to bucky at some point.

>No Zemo
>No Citizen V
>No Songbird
>Meh writing (and decompressed as hell)
>Awful art
There you have it

>>86656525
Gotta milk that MCU cow for all it's worth, yo.

>>86656525
>They probably planned to use V
Maybe Citizen Vwas going to be Bucky in disguise

I think it's and experiment to see how much a comic can sell on name alone

>>86656552
They're doing that already with X-Men, who have a little bit stronger name.

>>86656528

They also very clearly want the MCU/tumblr Bucky audience but largely alienated those with the art, and the fact that he was put together with characters that they don't have a reason to care about (and Zub failed to give them one). Since that fanbase also tends to lean SJW the shock ending with Moonstone probably put some of them off, too.

Meanwhile the oldschool T-Bolts fans were put off by the art, the focus on Bucky at the expense of everyone else, the bad characterization all around and the ship pandering shit.

>>86655948
Why the fuck is the art so 90's?

>>86656605
Because Marvel editors are fucking retarded

>hurr Thunderbolts was created in the 90's, let's give it a Liefeld clone

>>86656678
Even in the 90s...It was the more 80s feel comic Marvel was publishing at the time. If that was the reason, the editors at Marvel are more clueless than I thought. Talk about missing the point.

>>86656924

Going by their twitter, the editor of this book is dumb as hell.

I usually give a book 5 issues before I drop it.
Tbolts is one of the few books I've dropped in only one issue.

Remember when about 5 years ago Marvel would cancel anything at 20,000 or lower and they would cancel stuff even before the 1st issue would come out as their pre orders were shit. Why can't we go back then?

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>>86656528
>No Songbird

They had to steal her from Ewing to plug the holes of the sinking ship.

>>86657067

Dude, Zub hinted at her return before the first issue even came out. She was always gonna get dragged into this mess.

>first appearance: Incredible Hulk #449 (January, 1997)

Hoping for something cool in NYCC

>>86655948
Bendis.

>>86656945
Tell me more

>>86657137

>tfw January 2017 is declared T-Bolts variant cover month
>all the variants are about Bucky

>>86655948
Even good comics drop 30%-50% after the first few issues so these numbers are not surprising

Because its art style is inspired by Eov Liefield and 90's in general

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Wow, this art is really bad.

It's like I've time traveled to 1996

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OK, the artist was either a student of Liefeld or is just blatantly ripping him off.

>>86657339

He worked on Youngblood and studied under Liefeld.

>>86655948
The writing, premise, and art are terrible.

DC Rebirth killed it :/

Fuck DC...

>>86655948
I think the basic premise has been covered quiet well all ready, the art slips from OK to bad and back, the story didn't hold your interest and moved in jumps and starts and the characters are all over the place and.... It was just stupid. Knowing a characters continuity just made things worse so you try to start fresh but these people, either there mind-numbingly stupid (fixer yelling threats at a cosmic cube that thinks its a girl, because yelling at a child with the power of god is a brilliant idea) or there mind-numbingly stupid (Bucky hangs out with known criminals while chaperoning a child god, because leaving moonstone alone with a cosmic cube, in any form, is f**king madness).

The whole premise is someone's random idea that got released without anyone even once bothering to actual flesh out the idea so it actually works.

>>86657312
That is way worse than Liefeld

>>86657339
he was born in the liefeld

>>86657312
>shirt says cocks
wow

>>86657339
Its Rob Liefelds different alias

First issue gore twist end turned away new readers.
Art and Inhumans turned away old.

Tragedy is that back part of issue 3 onward is alright to good, but they squandered their growth potential while faced with an event.
The event delays preventing issue 5 from releasing just made it worse.

>bad art
>Bucky
>#4 was the only good issue
>it's filler until HydraCap's event but not fun filler

>>86656988
Yeah man, I sure wish Vision had gotten cancelled by issue 4 instead of getting its full 12 issues. I mean, fuck quality writing and art, if the braindead masses don't like it then it doesn't deserve to be on shelves.

>>86655948
Bad writing, bad art, cheap shock value "death" that was quickly reversed, nobody cares about Bucky or his shitty current status quo.

>>86658637

>nobody cares about Bucky or his shitty current status quo

Eh, Bucky is generally more popular than the T-Bolts (though I do wonder what the sales on his last solos were like).

But trying to sell the book only to Bucky fans (and spefically his shipper corner) and only catering to them at the expense of the T-Bolts was defnitely going to alienate the fans of the Bolts and kill the book all the faster.

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>>86657150
https://twitter.com/alannawrites

>Assistant editor in the Avengers Office at @Marvel Comics. Editor of Thunderbolts. Creator of SuperWhoLock the Comic. Current mood: in need of a nap.

A genderless blob who created a "SuperWhoLock" fancomic. Her feed shows she's basically Tumblr given physical form.

>>86658838

>Bucky fangirl made editor of Thunderbolts book
>book predictably turns into crappy Bucky fanfiction
>crappy book tanks

>>86658726
>though I do wonder what the sales on his last solos were like
Debuted at 47,000, was selling 15,000 by issue 6 and 12,000 by its last issue (#11). Again, nobody fucking cares about Bucky. The shine on the character has worn off and, like usual, his "fans" only care about the movie version and aren't going to read the comics.

>>86658945

Huh I didn't know he did that badly. Yeah, trying to use him as a sales boost was dumb.

>>86658838
This is why Marvel is disgusting.

>>86658838
Do they hire that kind of editors because they're cheap?

>>86659165
>Do they hire that kind of editors because they're cheap?

More like no one wants the job because of Perlmutter. Remember how Mike Marts left the batbooks to return to Marvel and them promptly left for a new company after he found out Marvel wanted to deliberately screw the X-books.

>>86658944
She responded (kind of out of nowhere) to a twitter discussion I was in that involved frustration that nothing has involved "The Thunderbolts bully Bucky" with "just wait", but I didn't have to heart to tell her "I dropped the book because the art made my eyes bleed, and I'm not reading it *for* Bucky anyway"

>>86658945
the pandering in the letter columns/Zub tagging Instagram pics with #Stucky is just embarrassing and also not actually Stucky content, lol

>>86655948
>What went wrong?
Karlafags salty their waifu didn't dom Bucky.

>>86659314

Bucky fans are the fucking worst.

I doubt she understood what you meant with "bullying Bucky", anyway. I am scared what this might mean for Songbird and Zemo considering how she obviously only gives a fuck about Bucky.

The worst part is that it's the Thunderbolts who will be blamed for this book tanking, not the art, the writing or the fact that it's crappy Bucky kidfic.

>>86658838
The quality control at Marvel is just abhorrent.

How do we save Thunderbolts /co/?

>>86660225

Replace the writer, editor and artist.

Give Bucky the Genis-Vell treatment.

>>86657067
>>86657312
>>86657339
What are feet?

>>86660225
Make the fill-in the main artist, kick Bucky.

>>86655948
>What went wrong?

Well did you read it OP?

>>86658838
>genderless blob

lmao

>>86659414
Thunderbolts are safe since they might get a movie and started appearing in the cartoons and games.

>>86658945
Was that the weird one by Kot that had good art it didn't deserve?

>>86662395
Yeah, thankfully Kot hasn't been back at Marvel since that book.

>>86662559
What's he doing these days anyway? Didn't he have to cancel one or two of his Image books because they weren't selling

>>86662573
He had a meltdown on twitter if I'm not mistaken.

>>86658945
Bucky fangirls only care about Bucky when he's with Steve. They don't give a shit about Bucky with the Thunderbolts or weird space weed adventures Bucky.

If Marvel really wanted to attract the tumblr Bucky audience, they would've made a homobait "no homo" book with him and Cap.

>>86655948
Dull writing and terrible art.

>>86658838
Well, that certainly explains why the only letters in the letters page seem to be about Bucky, buttfucking, and Bucky buttfucking.

>>86660298
If Bucky is going to be leading the team, he should have to dress like Citizen V.

>>86655948
That party cap is going to ruin his aim.

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>>86660298
>Give Bucky the Genis-Vell treatment.

>Zemo kills Bucky forever to save the universe.

Beautiful.
Bucky should have stayed dead.

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>>86660225
We call the Brits!

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>>86663935

>sullying Citizen V's legacy with Bucky

>>86655948
Dîsney.

>>86664062
Baron Zemo was Citizen V twice. It would be fine.