>CBR posting Newsarama-like Top X Lists Let's take a

>>86307331
I'm going to take a wild guess here and assume most of the people they named are D-list blacks and women.

A fucking slideshow too. not clicking through that shit

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>>86307331
>Half the list are X-Men characters/mutants
>Expecting Marvel to give FOX any more gimmes

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>>86307331
>13. Special Mention — Rightclops

Why is Cyclops only worthy of a special mention? It’s not because he’s already had a solo title — for the purpose of this list we’re treating the time-displaced “young Scott” as a separate character. No, his placement here is due to the fact that Marvel are doing their utmost to convince fans that the upcoming “Death of X” miniseries will feature the death of Cyclops, making a solo series rather problematic.

If this truly is the end for Cyclops, what a terrible waste of a character it will be. Although he’s been a member of the X-Men since the beginning, it’s really in the last decade that his actions have dictated the direction of the X-books, particularly in the aftermath of “Schism” and “Avengers vs. X-Men.” Since then, Cyclops has been treated by other characters with a rancour and distaste that often seemed entirely disproportionate to his actions.

Scott’s stoic nature rarely provided readers with a glimpse into his thought process, but a solo title — allowing readers to really get inside his head — would have been a great insight into a man that sacrificed so much for the sake of what he saw as the greater good. Alas, it looks like this will not come to pass — at least if we believe the hype.

>>86307357
Well honorable mention #13 is Rightclops, so maybe it wont be a total shitshow.

>>86307331
I fear CBR's solicits now and they were my backup if newsarama got fucked and now they're both fucked up

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>>86307417
>12. Taskmaster

The master of photographic reflexes, Taskmaster has the ability to replicate any move he sees. Using this ability primarily to train mercenaries and other criminal henchmen, he’s also come to blows with many Marvel heroes over the years. And yet, while Taskmaster has never managed to replicate Deadpool’s move from anti-hero to leading man, he has received some significant character development in the last few years. Graduating from an instructor to main lead in “Avengers: The Initiative” gave him possibly the most character development he’s ever had. That evolution has continued in his recent miniseries, which provided an explanation for his astonishing powers of recall.

Ironically, that recent focus is one of the main problems Taskmaster now faces. He has an interesting power set, a great costume and intriguing motivations, but he’s now received so much development that his reverting to type (i.e. training henchmen) would feel like a backward step. The logical move is for him to graduate to his own ongoing title. The ability to mimic abilities can be used in a variety of scenarios; at the same time, straddling the line between hero and villain doesn’t seem to have hurt Deadpool or Harley Quinn in recent years. Move over Punisher, there’s a new skull in town!

>>86307331

I disagree with this on the premise that a solo series is the ultimate goal for a character

>>86307357
Half were x-people which /co/ would normally agree with

>>86307450
>11. Husk

While the Summers clan may be the closest thing to mutant royalty, in terms of sheer numbers, the Guthries may have the upper hand. The younger sister of Sam (Cannonball) Guthrie, Husk was a breath of fresh air in “Generation X.” A smart, ambitious character who wanted to be the best mutant she could, Paige’s ability to rip off skin and expose new features underneath was unusual — and a little gross. Meanwhile, her constant need to prove herself tied in nicely with the sibling rivalry she shared with Sam.

Since the cancellation of “Generation X” Husk has struggled to find her place, encompassing everything from a divisive romance with Angel followed by a stint in “Wolverine and the X-Men” that saw her struggling with mental illness as her powers evolved. At her core, she is a smart, driven hero who spends so much time trying to live up to the example set by others that it’s often been hard to see the real her. A solo look at Husk, away from the stifling embrace of her family and the X-men, would allow more layers to be peeled off and help readers see what lies beneath.

>>86307513
>10. Firestar

Firestar is another character who has been around for a long time, first debuting in 1981’s “Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends” animated series. Unfortunately, she has received little development outside of a team environment. The lion’s share of this came from her prominent role in the original “New Warriors” series. Since then, she’s been an Avenger, a member of the Young Allies and most recently, an X-Man.

Unlike many of her colleagues, Angel has never seemed to crave the superhero life, being distinctly ambivalent about accepting membership into the Avengers and giving up her career in heroism when the Superhero Registration Act was implemented. She’s also one of the rare characters who — although a mutant — isn’t defined by her genetics. The fact that Angel is still willing to fight for what’s right, despite the health problems created by her powers, is testament to her strength of character. A solo title could further highlight these qualities, not in defining her by a relationship or team, but by giving her the chance to shine on her own merits.

>>86307536
she had her own four issue series when she was introduced to the comics

>>86307536
>9. Rick Jones

After spells partnering with the Hulk, Captain America, Rom and two Captain Marvels, the non-powered Rick Jones is possibly the pre-eminent sidekick in Marvel Comics. He’s been molecularly bonded with cosmic heroes, transformed into Gamma-irradiated monsters and has been at the center of two classic Marvel stories: “Avengers Forever” and “The Kree-Skrull War.” He also plays a mean harmonica. What’s not to love?

Rick is interesting because, for so long, he was something of a rarity. Unlike DC, 1960s Marvel didn’t go in for teenage sidekicks. His adventures with superheroes have rarely ended well — crippled by the Hulk, sacked by Cap, mind-controlled by Genis-Vell — yet he can’t seem to break away from that life. He might even be described as a danger junkie. Rick knows practically everyone in the Marvel Universe and is equally comfortable in street level or space-faring storylines. A series from Rick’s perspective would allow a man-on-the-street view of the often fantastical goings-on of the MU, something that’s sorely needed as both heroes and villains grow ever more powerful.

>>86307562

RICK JONES SUCKS

>>86307562
>8. Gravity

An important aspect of Gravity’s character is that he manages to screw stuff up. A lot. He trusts the wrong people, he’s plagued by self-doubt and he lets his emotions cloud his judgement. Heck, he’s already died and come back to life once in his short career. But all of these things lead into one of the most impressive things about Gravity: not his costume or even his powers, but the simple fact that he keeps trying.

Aside from scattered appearances in miniseries and a starring role in the short-lived “Young Allies,” Gravity is pretty much a blank slate. The rookie learning about his powers is somewhat cliché, but the University setting would lead to a lot of stories and situations that many Marvel books — focused on epic multi-year storylines — simply don’t deal with nowadays. In the age of the antihero, it’s also important to save room for characters that try and live up to the heroic ideal. Gravity would fill that role nicely.

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>>86307577
>7. Balder the Brave

The Marvel version of Asgard has been the focus of many stories over the years, with readers being introduced to gods, trolls, frost giants and everything in between. Balder — typically portrayed as courageous, loyal and trustworthy — is one of the most interesting of Thor’s fellow gods. He’s also one with huge potential for exploration. Sif has received great exposure through her relationship with Thor (and thanks to her appearances in TV and movies), and readers have a clear sense of who the Warriors Three are for similar reasons, but the essence of Balder is less clear. There have been great stories featuring the character — particularly under Walt Simonson — but slogging along as a supporting character in Thor’s world isn’t doing him justice.

Having Balder star in his own title would not only highlight his greatness, it would also allow a greater focus on Asgard and its inhabitants. Asgardians are often featured during their adventures on Earth, emphasizing their “fish-out-of-water” experiences. Following Balder through Asgard would provide a different perspective from that of Thor’s, while at the same time show him in his element and prove exactly why he’s so well-regarded by his fellow gods.

>>86307562

didn't he like share a book with Mar Vell

Cbr is so shit now and I'm not talking about the forum

Why the fuck did they get rid of the good columns ?

They probably do these clickbait articles because they don't link to the forums anymore

>>86307591
>6. Tigra

Tigra suffers from a similar problem to Vampirella in that many people can’t see beyond a costume that is, essentially, a bikini. Compounding the problem is that neither of her tenures in the main Avengers teams ended well — quitting her initial stint due to self-doubt and regressing to a feral state during her time with the West Coast Avengers. However, if we look deeper, it’s clear that Tigra has numerous aspects of her character that would lead to interesting stories. She is an ex-policewoman, a mother to a young son, has links to the supernatural and enjoys close ties to several Avengers, most recently in her relationship with Hank Pym.

As an Avenger, it’s clear that Tigra is somewhat underpowered, something that has become more apparent in recent years as the number of gods and god-like super humans has continued to grow. Striking out on her own would allow her to be appreciated for who she is, rather than be diminished for what she is not.

>>86307603
The movies and tv shows ruined everything

13. Rightclops
12. Taskmaster
11. Husk
10. Firestar
9. Rick Jones
8. Gravity
7. Balder
6. Tigra
5. Black Cat
4. Kitty Pryde
3. Justice
2. Iceman
1. Songbird

Eh, most of these are just obscure team characters that should appear more, although it's not a BAD list of characters.
Granted, Rick Jones would really be best suited to a Marvel Team-Up style book, where every issue has him partnered with a new superhero, because it's unlikely he could carry a book on his own, and this is from someone who actually LIKES Rick Jones.

>>86307618
>5. Black Cat

Although Black Cat has appeared in numerous Spider-Man comics, she still feels malleable enough for creators to portray her in a variety of different ways. We’ve had the thrill junkie, the Robin Hood thief, the passionate lover, the damaged soul and — most recently/most controversially — the crime boss. What’s clear is that she’s long since evolved past her original depiction as “Spider-Man’s girlfriend.” What’s less clear is where that leaves her.

With a simple yet striking costume, the visual aspect of Black Cat isn’t a problem. What’s more problematic is that her appearances as a supporting character or team member tend to give little insight into her inner thoughts, something that a solo title would help to address. It’s a little disrespectful to describe her as “Marvel’s Catwoman,” but certainly the similarities are there and a solo title has the potential for the same mix of adventure, romance and thrills.

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>>86307643
>4. Kitty Pryde (oy vey)

Ah, Kitty Pryde. Who can forget her terrible fashion sense and her heartfelt declaration that “Professor Xavier is a jerk!” — an iconic panel that has spawned countless homages in years since. Then, of course, there’s the running gag about her interest in men called Peter (including Peter Parker in the Ultimate universe). Her phasing power is simple yet effective, but probably her greatest quality is that she wears her heart on her sleeve. Whether it’s her impassioned speech against racism in “God Loves, Man Kills,” her talk about suicide in “New Mutants,” or her recent speech about whether mutants should be ashamed of being labelled, she can always be counted on to stand up for what she believes in.

In fact, Kitty is a character who can do so much more than just punch things — it’s no coincidence that her co-creator, Chris Claremont, had her become the President of the Unites States in his possible future series, “X-Men: The End.” Kitty Pryde has the intelligence and the desire to change the world for the better, and a solo title could be just the place to watch her do it.

>>86307618
>a mother to a young son

>tfw we should've gotten a solo with her or Sue instead of knocking up Spider woman

>>86307592
Mar-Vell AND Genis-Vell.

>>86307669
>3. Justice

Best known for his long association with the New Warriors, Justice is a character who has yet to reach his full potential away from this team. His initial stint as an Avenger saw him crippled by self-doubt, while recent starring roles in “Avengers: The Initiative” and “Avengers Academy” both saw him quit and return to the familiarity of the New Warriors. This makes Vance sound like an insecure, needy character. But the important point is that the New Warriors are his family, having always been there for him. The contrast to Vance’s home life — resulting in him serving jail time after accidentally killing his abusive father — is stark.

Vance possesses great leadership potential and is always driven by his belief in what’s right, regardless of the difficulties this might cause him. Who he would be and what he would amount to without the New Warriors is the big unanswered question, and a solo title that follows Vance as he charts his own path would be the ideal way to find out.

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>>86307691
>2. Iceman

For a character that’s been around for more than 50 years, it’s surprising how little the spotlight has shined on Bobby Drake in all that time. Despite spells in the X-Men, X-Factor, Champions and Defenders, he’s often been frozen in the mould of smart-mouthed comic relief. Even during his time in the X-Men, he often felt like an afterthought: the youngest of the original team, left out of the original Marvel NOW! lineup, and only given sporadic storylines in the post-Claremont era. Bobby is the very definition of untapped potential.

For starters, he’s instantly recognizable from his appearances in the “Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends” cartoon and the X-Men movies. We’ve seen glimpses over the years of the impressive scope of his powers, while recent revelations regarding his sexuality offer great scope for exploration. We’ve never really known Bobby outside of a team, and a solo title would be the perfect way to explore who the character is when standing on his own two feet.

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>>86307713
>1. Songbird

Songbird is a character that’s come a long way from her beginnings as Screaming Mimi, a C-list villain (and even that may be generous). She’s been on a journey ever since she embraced the life of a hero during her time with the original Thunderbolts, helping her to mature from an insecure, shy girl to a strong, capable leader. And yet, for all of Songbird’s successes over time, there’s this nagging feeling that she’s yet to live up to her potential.

She’s proven herself in a leadership role with the Thunderbolts, but her status within the Marvel Universe has yet to reach the level teased by her appearance in Avengers Forever. Even her recent membership on the New Avengers came to an abrupt end when she was revealed to be spying for SHIELD. Songbird’s no longer the insecure character she once was, not afraid to make difficult choices if it’s for the greater good. So perhaps she no longer needs the comfort blanket of a team around her. Flying solo would enable her to spread her wings and allow the rest of the super community to see the hero that she’s become.

>>86307713
I kinda want marvel to launch an Iceman solo in response to Midnighter, just to see the drama that could come from it.

>>86307691
pure husbando

>>86307643
Black Cat has had multiple solo books.

>>86307727
Oh god, that autistic S/D faggot wrote this listicle, didn't he?

>>86307574
YOU SUCK!

>>86307618
Not against this.

>>86307737
I cannot imagine current Marvel producing anything resembling a decent Iceman solo

>>86307781
S/D is a dude?

>>86307764

She's had two four-issue series, the one by Kavanagh and the one by van Meter.

Everything else was duo stuff like The Evil That Men Do and Claws.

>>86307866
This surprises you?

>>86307640
I agree with like half of these. Then the other half just make me wince.

>>86307841
>they give her a leather jacket and yoga pants

>>86307866
>person who ships two female characters together
>a guy
Really makes you think...

>>86307919

i don't think he ships them i think they're just his favs and he wants them to team up

>>86307618
Marvel's never really known what to do with Tigra. She was great back in the Creatures On The Loose days but since then she rarely gets a chance to shine and she was completely fucked over by whoever wrote WCA. I wonder if Hank and the others ever apologized for shrinking her to mouse size and then forgetting she existed for YEARS.

>>86307934
Hello S/D, you can stop pretending you don't ship them any time now.

Regardless of what you think of CBR, that's a terrible list.

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>>86307727
Grapplers as recurring villains please

>>86307618

Whatever happened to Tigra anyway?

>>86307417
>Scott’s stoic nature rarely provided readers with a glimpse into his thought process,

WTF is this bullshit.
Scott was THE main character for like 20 years worth of X-Books where thought bubbles were a thing.
We know him better than a lot of characters.

>>86307513
A Husk solo book would be cool, but smart and ambitious only really seemed to last as long as Generation X.
Then her personality basically just turned into gross lust for older men.

>>86307591
>Balder
>Getting a solo book
>Not just no longer existing because Hey Kids! Movies!

>>Bobby #2
This is cause he's gay, isn't it?

>>86307669
>it’s no coincidence that her co-creator, Chris Claremont, had her become the President of the Unites States in his possible future series, “X-Men: The End.”

Claremont was a detestable waifu fag by that point though.

>>86307960
I'm pretty sure he wants to inflate them.

>>86307675
Worst Spider-Woman getting pregnant wasn't about stories of a superhero mom.

It was Hopelessly reacting to Hopeless pregancy.

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>>86307513
Y-y-you wanted to see me?

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>>86307669
LOL!!! The only thing this filthy Jew cunt deserves is a painful death!

CBR is shit, but I agree with most of these

>>86307331
>Taskmaster
Sure. I remember reading a mini that was pretty cool. I think UDON made it?
>Husk
PFFFFFFTTT
That's sweet, but no.
>Firestar
Firestar will never ever matter, and everyone should except it and realize it's for the best.
>Rick Jones
Maybe? A continuityfag like Ewing could probably make it work.
>Gravity
The world met their attempt at "Spider-Man 2.0" with a collective sigh.
>Balder
I haven't read enough Thor to have an opinion.
>Tigra
I'd try it. Unless it got the sort of creative team you KNOW they'd put on a Tigra book.
>Black Cat
Make it about her stealing stuff and being hot and flirty. Not a shitty villain like she's been, though.
>Kitty Pryde
Leading a team, absolutely. But a solo? Like most X-Men, she'd never really work on her own.
>Justice
I'd rather have a New Warriors series of decent length.
>Iceman
Not even if they made him straight again.
>Songbird
Fuck yes

>>86307691
>Who he would be and what he would amount to without the New Warriors is the big unanswered question,

That question isn't unanswered. He'd be Vance Astro, Major Victory of the Guardians of the Galaxy, Liberator of Earth and Centauri, Inheritor of Captain America's shield.

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>>86307640

>9. Rick Jones
>5. Black Cat
>4. Kitty Pryde
>2. Iceman

>>86307450
Already had a mini, people threw up so hard it came out turds.

>>86307513
Jesus, who cares?

>>86307536
Limited series, one-shots.

>>86307562
Christ.

>>86307577
I mean, he literally debuted in his own title, but OK.

>>86307591
I feel like the problem whoever wrote this list has is that they don't understand the concept of a fictional character, or that some fictional characters exist only as supporting characters to the mains.

>>86307592
and Hulk

>>86307618
She's had a mini. She also had her own solo, before she got turned into a catgirl. Fuck's sake.

>

As an Avenger, it’s clear that Tigra is somewhat underpowered, something that has become more apparent in recent years as the number of gods and god-like super humans has continued to grow.

You know what? I could really do with the main team not being full of Superman expys. Fuck you, Hickman, you cunt.
>>86307764
You can't count Evil That Men Do. It's barely a comic.

>>86307643
Again... does anybody really give a shit about Catwoman? Because that would be a Catwoman book, but somehow even worse.

>>86307669
She's had minis too. Her life is pretty well fleshed out, it's just that nobody who writes her has ever read her stories because they're old.

>>86307691
>Justice
>Firestar
>separate solos

fucks sake

>>86307713
no

stop this superfriends shit

>>86307727
>>86307781
S/D could never have chosen between Songbird and Diamondback, let alone left one of them out completely

this is someone who reads comics, but only comics published in the last 2 years

>>86308441
i heard he's going over to DC now so Superman can have a friend who's Balder

>>86307919
Who does he ship?

>>86307640
>Taskmaster
>Rick Jones
>Gravity
>Justice
These could all be cool.
>Cyclops
Hasn't he had several solo runs before?

>>86307618
>>86307713
>>86307727

These could work.

>>86307669
>>86307643

This would have potential if their current position in the Marvelverse weren't what they are.

>>86307691

I've only read this guy in Yost's New Warriors, but it seems like his leadership (and the struggles of such) is the most defining point of his character, to the extent that it would kneecap him to give him a solo series.

Again, I only have twelve issues of a poorly-received team book to go off of, so maybe I'm wrong, but I feel like him going it alone wouldn't just be a poor use of his character, but *out of character* for him. I feel like he'd naturally gravitate towards having a team, or at least a partner.

>>86307713
Of course they'd bring up the whole sexuality retcon. How much you want to bet that had that never happened that he wouldn't even be on the list? It's honestly sad that his sexuality even has to be considered as a reason for him to have a solo because it just feels like Godwin's Law when it comes to justifying giving him a solo. Bobby is an entourage type character, just as many X-Men are. There's a reason most of them don't get solos and when they do, outside of Wolverine, they tend to not last

>>86309038
>Who does he ship?
He was a big Mettle/Hazmat fan.
>>86309144
Yep. Space with his dad.

>>86309431
He had a solo in the 90s too.

>>86307935
I had this idea where Tigra, realizing her low-level powerset leaves her fairly vulnerable to the heavy hitters she faced on the Avengers, rejoined the NYPD where her superpowers give her a massive edge. However, after she joins they start a media campaign to prove the effectiveness of the NYPD in the face of super threats and she gets shunted into the newly created Mystical and Paranormal Crimes Division. The series itself is mostly a low-stakes crime dramedy about Greer guiding a bunch of clueless coworkers and superiors through the magical scene of MU NYC.

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>>86309038

>>86309359
Bobby could have supported a humorous, Hawkeye/Hellcat-style book. An irreverent, skirt-chasing, superhero accountant is a pretty decent setup.

Also I thought the Nightcrawler solo had a pretty decent setup for a solo.

>>86309349
He's only the New Warriors leader in that run. He joined the Avengers in Busiek's run (along with Firestar), which had him play the role of the rookie. In the original Fabian Nicieza, he had a fairly big plot involved with his murder charge.
Before he formed Yost's New Warriors he was also a major part of Avengers; The Iniative as a teacher, a role he and Speedball kept in Gage's Avengers Academy.

>>86309504
...what the fuck?

Please delet

>>86309637

Oh. Never mind what I said then.

Do you think he could carry a solo title?

>>86309266
A Kitty solo with the X-Men would be even worse though.

>>86309980
Anyone can carry a solo with a good writer. "Can't carry a solo" usually means they have no idea what to do with the character outside of a team context.

>>86307713
Ice Man HAD a Solo Series.

It was hot garbage, but it happened.

>>86307536
Nobody gives a shit about Spider-Man and his Amazing friends anymore.

>>86309980
I know "it depends on the writer" sounds like a cop-out, but he's a character who has always been on teams, even though hes been different parts of said teams. I dont know if there's enough to just the character to build a solo on, especially in these days where supporting casts don't seem to exist anymore.

>>86307637
You know? I always find funny how people keep saying this when Dissasambled and Civil War happened way before the movies.

Let's not fool ourselves and blame everything on the movies boogeyman. Once Bendis, Alonso and Quesada got into key positions Marvel was headed this way and ironically the movies and netflix shows are the only good Marvel related stuff nowadays.

>>86307357
No, it's D-list women and gays.

>>86307417
>>86307450
Yessssss

>>86307513
>>86307536
Meh, they only work in teams

>>86307562
Rick only works as a sidekick, that's his whole shtick

>>86307591
He kind of did have a solo, although it was a mini series and yeah it was good.

I could go for a Balder mini provided Karnilla was there and it dealt with the other realms that weren't Midgard.

>>86307577
I like him but I dunno if I would read his solo, put him on a team book

>>86307618
Pass

>>86307643
I would read it with the right writer

>>86307669
Fuck no, but if it had to happen have Joe Kelly write it, he doesn’t waifu her.

But no, I am sick of Kitty Pryde

>>86307691
Make it Vance Astro, no wait just make it another Guardians 3000 pls, I want more adventures with the original Guardians.

>>86307713
No

>>86307727
Bring back Genis, have him as a supporting character, make PAD write it and maybe I'll pick it up.

>>86310343
If you're talking about miniseries, he's actually had two.