Can any of DC or Marvel's reality warpers or eternals reach

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Probably.

>>86052088
Other than GER and Stairway to Heaven there's not really a lot that's too broken in jojo, at least not when compared to other series.

>>86052203
Jesus makes you nigh unstoppable.
And pretty much all the time Stands are OP....
Hell, even D4C causes instawins most of the time.

>>86052088
Absolon Mercator would probably be able to.

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>implying they can beat Matter Eater Lad after he's eaten the Miracle Machine.

>>86052275
Time stopping is Phantom Stranger level for DC at most, nothing compared to Lucifer Morningstar with universal level influence.

>>86052203
Bohemian Rhapsody, Notorious B.I.G are pretty broken

>>86052521
So is Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap when there is no jobbing

Is there a stand that could defeat Timmy Turner on a beach with a muffin?

>>86052870
The magic muffin, right?

That shit is pretty busted, but some stands still beat it.

>>86052088
Lucifer? Really? Is this Giovanni guy the second most powerful being in existence? Can he ignite suns?

>>86053252
He can reset anything to zero

>>86052088
Well the thought robot's thing is that it will always win over evil no matter what.

Also DCAU Amazo can adapt to anything. He became a god because of it.

>>86053252
He's not powerful that way. He's powerful because he can prevent anything from happening.

Then cause infinite death.

>>86053318
>He can reset anything to zero
What does that even mean?

>>86053338
exacylt

>>86053338
Okay well let's put it this way.

Try to do something to or at him. Describe some act or state of being.

>>86053318
Good. Lucifer was there before anything existed so if he resets everything to zero then Lucifer is just at his most powerful. He predates the concept of Zero.

>>86052870
Better question:
Is there a stand that could defeat Jimmy Neutron equipped with a cheese ray?

>>86052088
Couldn't The Fury adapt to anything and follow you through the multiverse and shit?

>Experience Requiem's ability is to turn anything, including its opponent's attack and willpower, back to the state of "zero". Hence, it is virtually invincible, as all "supposed" actions created by an opponent would have been reset (back to point zero). It is mentioned by Giorno himself that he is unsure of the exact workings and limits of Requiem's powers, but it has been shown that its range of influence extends from finger beams, surface contact, and to even being in the mere attention of Requiem.


>If the opponent is "killed" by the Stand itself, then they will also continuously experience death, as they will die but repeatedly return to point "zero" (i.e Diavolo's endless death loops).

>This ability renders Giorno essentially and literally untouchable by anything that would try to hurt or kill him and is perhaps the absolute strongest defense in existence.

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>>86052088
Can they even toucho the touhou?

>>86053744
Touch? Probably not.

Nullify? Yeah, Giorno's busted ass can do that.

>>86053729
Idk I feel like someone with limitless adaption ala Amazo could give him trouble.

Or it'd be a stalemate as Amazo keeps adapting and adapting as Requiem keeps reseting to zero over and over.

>>86053338
Nullification of Cause and Effect: Gold Experience Requiem's ability is to turn anything, including its opponent's attack and willpower, back to the state of "zero". Hence, it is virtually invincible, as all "supposed" actions created by an opponent would have been reset (back to point zero).

If the opponent is "killed" by the Stand itself, then they will also continuously experience death, as they will die but repeatedly return to point "zero".

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>>86052088
I see your Lucifer and raise you Lucifer

>>86052203
Jojo powers all work on absolute principle. Not "I'm so powerful so this can't effect me", but rather "These are the rules, if you want to win then memorize them, since they effect everyone equally no matter who you are".

This is what makes Jojo powers super crazy. Whether you're Batman or Superman, you have equal chance of winning or losing.

There was a guy who had the power to summon a dimension where you're attacked by everything you've ever thrown away or lost. Batman would be haunted by his own parents there, and Superman by the untold amount of people he failed to save. There was invisible zombies, power of jesus, power of infinity +1, power to summon fictional characters come to life, power to live in an electric high rise, power to do basically any damn thing you can think of and its all bullshit. Even if a power sounds strange or shitty it can be broken as shit. Power to spin your finger nails is one of the most broken things in the series.

>>86053338
>What does that even mean?

Someone replied "Exactly", and that's exactly the right response to this. Its basically no limits fallacy as a power.

You decide to kill him, the action is turned to zero, you decide to go kill him as a baby, the action is zero, you decide to kill him in time that doesn't exist, the action is zero, and eventually you start to realize that you've never taken a step in the first place, all actions become zero, you are basically frozen in place forever.

Then he kills you, if you are killed by GER you can only repeat your own death forever in an infinite amount of ways, because the action is forever reset as zero, meaning a conclusion can never be reached.

No matter what power you hold, before him no power means shit, since all things become zero. You try to use your super duper reality warp... nope its zero. Giorno's stand is sentient, he was once killed outside of existing time, and it reverted back to zero.

Imagine a retcon button given form, that's GER. Its power is "That shit didn't happen", and suddenly it didn't happen.

>>86053810
Willpower becomes zero, meaning after a bit you can't even move, adapt, or strike back. You become frozen somewhat.

>>86052088
Lucifer isn't much of a reality warper without his brother Michael to sacrifice. A more interesting opponent would be The Wolf of Ragnarok, God itself, or that freaky thing living outside god's reality that sewed souls into doll lamps to enjoy their everlasting pain

>>86054571
Another way to put it, is that GER is the opposite of King Crimson.

GER erases the answer, so a conclusion can never be reached, and so the problem must repeat endlessly. If something doesn't reach its ending, it can only keep spiraling around

KC erases the inbetween and only keeps the answer, so that he can't be incriminated.

Someone had a pretty good image that described the Jojo final boss powers, using VCR buttons.

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GER is also conceptual as hell. If a power takes a four page paper describing how the hell it works, then its probably from Jojo's.

Guys I'm serious I want to know if stands still work in the Pavilion Of Lanterns, outside the borders of Creation.

>>86053768
Probably not against Yukari, she could just make all stands not exist

And she could make cheese not exist you cheese ray mother fuckers.

He has a good chance against the weaker touhous at least, more so than most of these imaginary battles do.

>>86055107
>Probably not against Yukari, she could just make all stands not exist
And that action becomes Zero

Giorno was killed outside of time itself, and it was still reset to zero despite functionally not happening.

>>86055153
She just flips the concepts of winning and losing around there, gg

touhou

>>86052088
I'm pretty sure that Silver Age time period had such imagery, especially with Superman and his random yet convenient powers.

>>86055334
>"Well clearly this [Action] I list makes her win, right? Haha"

Becomes Zero

Any action you name that is an action, becomes zero.

>>86054461
You're gonna have to tell me about some of these powers.

Specifically the fingernails

>>86055367
Theoretically if she manipulated what an action was and meant would that cancel the power out afterwards. Or is it the kind of power that stops an action before it even happens.

>>86055439
>Specifically the fingernails

Protagonist of part seven. His power is just spinning his fingernails, literally. However someone convinces him to spin his nails in the formation of the golden rotation, which causes the nail to spin infinitely, and give him potentially infinite power.

He fights the President of the United States who dug up the bones of Jesus. Because Jesus has the power of [pushing all bad things away]. Therefore any attack against him, gets pushed away to the other side of the world, all bad luck gets pushed away, all things get pushed away, therefore only good things can come to him.

>>86055468
>Theoretically if she...
>if she...

If she does something, then that sounds like an action, which means it gets negated. If you do anything at all, then that thing becomes zero.

>>86055498
And the electric high rise?

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>>86052088
Grant Morrison's Doom Patrol

Jojo sounds like the worst kids on the playground fighting

>>86055525
So as it happens, it's a negating thing then. Not so much some time warp or preventative sort of thing.

Alright, well I'll hand it to you, that is pretty bullshit. Zun will have to try harder next time.

>>86055566
The rule for that power is that someone had to live on the electric high rise thing. If someone new came along, the previous guy could leave, but one of them had to stay there no matter what. No force on Earth can allow you to leave the high rise if no one else is there. You need to convince someone else to take your place, or trick them, in order to leave.

>>86055578
This. Knowing Morrison Patrol, they would find a way to stop GER or MiH.

>>86055580
That's part of what makes it great. Abilities aren't power-levels, abilities are just rules. Memorize the rules, and you've figured out how to win.

>>86055580
Jojo is actually pretty fair usually. Giorno is the exception.

>>86055498
Also the protagonist was crippled, couldn't use his legs.

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>>86052870
Boy2Man, GER, Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap, Kars

>>86053414
A CHEESE RAY?

Isn't that overpowered? Jimmy needs a sever handicap, or else no one else compares, there's no point.

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>>86052088
Big Hero 6's Fredzilla is literally Jotaro Kujo's Star Platinum
It's the same fucking pose for God's sake

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>>86055666
Crippled Axl Rose who shot himslef because Jesus Christ told him to do so

>>86055689
Don't forget Tusk Act 4, and Purple Haze.

>>86055587
>Alright, well I'll hand it to you
No you can't, it got reduced to zero.

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>>86053252
He can create life by transforming inanimate objects into animal and plants

And then thre's Axl RO whose Stand CIVIL WAR can bring the dead back

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>>86055802
Kek

>>86053327
Guy is terrified of his dad like a spoiled little kid. Fuck him.

>>86055819
>He can create life by transforming inanimate objects into animal and plants

You forgot the part that there's some "life is sacred" symbolism for the life he creates. So if you attack the animal or plant he creates, you receive three times the damage of your own attack. He can also heal people and stuff, by converting matter.

>>86054801
Stands exist along the souls of their users, Death 13 works in the Dreaming where dreams and nightmares become true, if he kills a peron on their dreams, that person dies IRL. If he heals a person on their dreams, that person is healed IRL

There are Stands that can bring back the dead (Gold Experience, Limp Bizkit, Civil War), Stands that travel thru multiple dimoensions (Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap, Tusk ACT 4) and Stands that cause bad luck and misfortune (Milagro Man). Heck, thee are Stands that keep people as eternal ghosts such as Atom Heart Father. So yeah

>>86055895
>Stands exist along the souls of their users,

Unless the stand is self-sentient. Such as the requiem stands. SCR and GER both existed even after the user died.

>>86055922
Also that stand in part four, who attached to people's backs.

Also NOTORIOUS B.I.G

This is your fuck up, you try to prescribe an all in one rule for stands, when they work differently each. NOTORIOUS B.I.G only works if the user dies.

>>86055819
and Bohemian Rhapsody can bring fictional characters to life. Made in Heaven sped up time until the universe ended and a new one began. So many stars ignited, and died, does that count?

>>86052088
Maybe don't talk about what GER does before the guys that are re-translating it get there, because part 5 had the single worst translation of the bunch.

>>86055439
Been a while since I read part 7, but here goes.
ACT 1- Johnny can fire off his fingernails like bullets.
Act 2- He spins them, to make them hit harder
Act 3- He spins them using the golden rotation, which lets him use them to open up portal style portals.
Act 4- He becomes part of the golden rotation himself, fires a nail bullet, and it will track your ass down and kill you no matter what you do. Even multiverse hopping can't save you.

>>86054678
>Or that freaky thing living outside god's reality that sewed souls into doll lamps to enjoy their everlasting pain.
What?

>>86055895
but could they be negated there? Souls had physical form in that place, and the shiko-me or whoever it was that liked to make them into dollskin lanterns could manipulate the physics and rules of the place on every level. Includimg causing any attack on his person to be redirected on it's attacker. Causality is reveresed there.
So would GER's nullifying effect nullify itself against him? Could GER be turned into a doll itself and kept there? Would it just be a total stalemate?

Can someone from JoJo or DC actually beat Accelerator from Index? How?

>>86056007
you know the one past the giant wall of thorns they travelled to on the ship made of dead men's nails. The Naglfar arc

>>86055941

So what you're saying is "Bizarre Adventure" is seriously underselling this?

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>>86056044
Maybe GER or King "It just Works" Crimson.

>>86056090
Oh yeah we still have no idea what's going on in the ongoing part where the protagonist is a fusion of the protagonist and antagonist from the forth part, which happened in a different universe that ended.

>>86056111
Wouldn't that turn onto zero for both at least. Like Accel can't use his powers but Giorno or Diavolo can't do shit with their stands. Also
>DC

>>86055982
>because part 5 had the single worst translation of the bunch.
Duwang exists although you could say it's the best translation

>>86055889
>He can also heal people and stuff, by converting matter.

This is when I started to hate Golden Experience.

MADARA

>>86056208
>No one has done a Duwang sub for the anime.

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>>86056246
They did for Phantom Blood.

>>86056283
"eh i forgot"

>>86052088
>this fucking thread again
You seriously need to stop sucking GER dick you /a/spie

>>86056246
you can make your own

just grab an srt and google translate it to japanese then chinese then back to english,

>>86056214
Yeah base Golden Experience was already busted to the point of being uninteresting. Giorno basically had to job for conflict to exist.

>>86052088

Since The World Over Heaven (a reality warper) defeated both Tusk Act 4 (infinite damage, speed and chases you even after traveling between universes) and GER (Absolute negation of effect while keeping causality) I guess it's pretty obvious any reality warper can defeat the Jojo universe

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Stands started to get conceptual around part four or five.

They found that perfect balance of what they needed to be in part seven.

Even the most broken sounding stand in the world, could potentially lose to the weakest. That's sort of how this system works.

>>86056330
He can't, it got reduced to zero.

>>86056408
Nah, the plot was kind of bullshit and barely made sense. Some powers effected him, some didn't, and some couldn't really clash with him at all since they couldn't figure out how they should effect each other.

They situationally said this power should work, yet Valentines power did work when they needed it to. Then it finally dies in a lame way that doesn't make sense. It was basically Part 3 wank.

>>86056408
Eyes of Heaven is bullshit and you know it.

Jonathan should've been the one to defeat Over Heaven Dio

>>86055615
Could Orqwith do it? Gold Experience Requiem resets everything to zero, but the paradox of Orqwith is that it ~has~ no zero.

>>86056475

it was part 3 wank approved by Araki whether someone likes it or not

Yeah, the reasoning for The World Over Heaven not being able to affect Jotaro was bullshit, but it makes sense

The World Over Heaven rewrites reality. Even if Tusk and GER can act outside of the laws of physics and metaphysics, they're still bounded by reality itself.

The World Over Heaven was also multiversal

>>86056208
It dose, but do you want to know the difference? Duwang was translated by a guy that had a poor grasp of English.

Part 5 was translated by people that had a poor grasp of Japanese.

Could the Flash, at his absolute most powerful state, defeat the gay priest?

>>86056524
Tusk is multiversal

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>>86056524
You know what else was approved by Araki? This.

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>>86056700

>>86052088
Are you Yahweh or the Archangel Michael? No?

Lucifer wins.

>>86056475
>>86056524
>>86056700
Neither the George Joestar novel or Eyes of Heaven is canon.

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>>86056711

>>86052088
That depends. Does Jojo have any reality warpers as hilariously OP as Mad Jim Jaspers, an Omega-level mutant who can warp reality in any way he wants to, and can make himself as powerful as he wants to be?

>>86056700
>>86056711

Jorge Joestar isn't canon

I think Araki didn't even read it

>>86052088
There was a character in classic Guardians of the Galaxy who's power was to copy anyone's ability, which went as far as the Living Tribunal.
He could probably copy Giorno's ability before he knew it, and use GER's nullification first.

>>86056750
Jojo's is complicated. As stated above, power levels don't really mean shit. No matter how strong you are powers all basically effect you the same way. Its more about rules than it is about "I'm super strong".

Guy with the power to reset the entire universe and is faster than time/space and could recreate literally everything, lost to a kid who's ability was making ghost rooms basically.

>>86056722
>>86056750

Yes, bet he approved it. [Fucking enemy stands]

>>86056824
>bet he approved it
Well you lost a bet, because he didn't.

>>86052088
Luci is much the same as One Punch Man being untouchable is part of his character and as such you cant seriously use him in any Vs battle.

Hes ACTUALLY lucifer, not some extremely powerful entity calming omnipotence because most things cant match him so nobody tells him hes not a god.

Hes actually Lucifer, not a being that mostly indistinguishable in power from our reference point like say Dormammu, Mephisto, or Shuma, Anti-monitor, ghost rider, Parallax, etc

Its a strange concept to take in, especially with so many supreme beings claiming to be deities or being given power that appears like its on that level.

But they

I don't think there is anything cringier than /co/ Jojo fans.

I seriously wish you would all kill yourselves.

>>86056874
arent Lucifer

Forgot the last part

>>86056572
>Could the Flash, at his absolute most powerful state, defeat the gay priest?

Maybe. Made In Heaven is basically Hunter Zolomon applied to the entire world.

>>86056877

shut the fuck up

>>86056916
>taking the baito

>>86056926
>E-everything is bait
My point exactly.
>>86056916
Kill yourself.

>>86052088
I'm glad jotaro died and has no sbr counterpart

>>86057341
Calling it now, he'll show up in part 9.

Batman with prep time

>>86057341
Read Part 8

>>86057341
>world resets
>the new universe starts with jonathan and dio again
no shit,sherlock

>>86057341
The implication in part 8 is that Yoshikage Kira IS the new Kujo Jotaro

>>86052088

can jesse custer stop ger?

>>86057968
Part 8 is weird

>>86052088
For fuck's sake

NO

Different rules, different worlds.

They cant even compare

Fucking Goku vs Superman fags

>>86054589
He's a robot. Does he even have willpower? Even then he can adapt to ANYTHING, so that shit wouldn't work on him.

>>86058154
That's what makes it fun

>>86054589
I don't think you understand just how bullshit Amazo was.
But yeah if they ever did fight it would go one of two ways

Amazo would adapt and he'd have to keep reducing his adaption to 0, then Amazo would adapt again, reduced to 0, adapt again etc.

Or

Amazo adapts and GER's power would have no effect after that.

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Jesus > *

So powerful that even the smallest piece of his body gives anyone superpowers beyond your wildest imagination.

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The original Jojo

>>86057968
but there's also the theory that there are bit of Jotaro in JJL Kira and Josefumi.

>>86058111
You don't say.