>all of Krypton's scientists believed Brainiac instead

>>86008192
Yeah, it's almost like they had become pompous, xenophobic morons that had grown too dependent on their technology and comfortable lives.

>>86008230
Then they were stupid. Real science means you check findings, not trust somebody implicitly. That is religion.

>>86008230
you sir, deserve a medal

>>86008276
Right, the point of Krypton has evolved to be a morality story about people becoming set in their ways, and failing to advance as a society. They seemingly had a utopia but let it be destroyed through ther hubris and ineptitutde.

I'm sure in time you'll understand the concept of hubris. You're almost there, just keep working at it.

>>86008276
yeah maybe thats why their planet blew up

Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall.

>>86008318
It still doesn't make sense. They should have had an evacuation plan to get everyone off the planet in case there was an invasion. And Jorel was stupid for not just flying is scooter through the cities sending people to the Phantom Zone, and making a ship that only one person can fit inside.

He should have sent all the council to the Phantom Zone, then sent all the cops that came after him.

>>86008390
Do you really think that he could've gotten away with flying around sending people to the prison dimension for long enough to build a one-man spaceship and escape his shitty doomed planet? He's Superman's non-super dad, not Batman

You seem like you don't have much of an imagination. Which ironically, makes you a lot like the Kryptonians who didn't believe that Brainiac could ever betray them.

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>>86008192
>Sci fi writers and world renowned scientists warn that we should be extremely careful with AI because they are so dangerous they might kill us by accident.
>Engineers and capitalists are too busy in digital dick measuring contests to hear the warnings
I weep for the next generations children

>>86008438
He built a spaceship already. It could only hold one person.

They should have mass produced Phantom Zone things and just had everyone get in them, or made Phantom Zone guns.

>>86008454
>hurr durr muh worthless degree

Fuck off. The adults are talking.

>>86008390
They did have an evacuation plan, it was Brainiac. They built Brainiac to do everything for them because they became lazy, and trusted everything it said because that was easy.

>>86008192

Brainiac was a product of Kryptonian science. It was the arrogance of the Kryptonian people that caused them to believe that nothing they created could possibly could be wrong

As for you later points, we will never know if they had evacuation plans for the planet because when Brainiac abandoned them they had less than a minute to live.

You should probably watch the episode you're complaining about OP

>>86008512
Hey man you are right but don't turn this into a /sci/ vs /his/ thread.

>>86008390
Why aren't you running down the street shooting everyone who believes vaccinations cause autism?

That's the level of crazy you're talking about.

>>86008485
>>86008438

Due to time constraints, we're also not reasonably sure what the time-frame was. We knew that Jor-El had been suspicious that Kyrpton would explode for a while, but for all we know this could have happened in the span of a few months. Hence why he never got enough capital to make a suitable number of ships (if ship construction would take years).

>>86008532
>it was Brainiac

No, because they had colonies which means they knew how to make space colonies. All they needed was to do that.

It also makes no sense that there was only ONE escape pod on the planet.

>>86008276
Nice Reddit post.

>>86008276
>Real science means you check findings, not trust somebody implicitly. That is religion.

Lot's of people who aren't religious and believe firmly in science don't check findings and trust scientists completely. I'm not saying atheism is a religion but you can clearly see the parallels in our own world

>>86008454
>One of our leading AI's has already "joked" about killing all humans
We're going to die.

>>86008541
I'm just fucking sick of useless fucks shitting on science out of jealousy

>>86008566
That's not science. Science can be checked. If somebody put out a paper that was important you could check all their findings and see where they were wrong.

>atheism is a religion
Oh fuck off

Look, I just want some pants.

A decent pair of pants.

>>86008390
>>86008192

The Phantom Zone is pretty much a hell dimension. Did you not see the council shudder at the thought when Jor-El suggested it? As soon as he brought it up as a viable escape plan he was treated as a lunatic

>>86008532
>Oh Brainiac we don't want to think it's so hard!

Fucking morons

>>86008611
it's better than dying.

>>86008276

That's the point though. They had become so haughty and set in their ways that they didn't believe in clerical errors. They assumed that their livelyhood would never be endangered.

>>86008552
>It also makes no sense that there was only ONE escape pod on the planet.

Fucking hell retard. EVERYBODY believed Brainiac when he said the tremors were nothing to worry about and when he said "Oh wait, no you're all going to die, BYE!" The planet blew up 30 seconds later. Jor-El had already fired Kal's rocket. We will never know if there were other escape pods because they simply did not have the time to escape

>>86008629

Not if you don't believe the world is going to explode

>"The world is going to be uninhabitable in a few years but I have a plan to save us! We will all take refugee in Hell!

Imagine a scientist saying that. Even if he had the technology everybody would treat him as a maniac

>>86008647
There has to be more than ONE scientist, and Jorel should have gone to them. Nobody checked Brainiac's work. They is religion.

The planet didn't blow up immediately, either. If they had ships they could have got them working before the planet exploded.

>>86008593

I said I'm not saying Atheism is a religion

No wonder you can't understand a children's cartoon. You can't even read

>>86008676
The difference is that Jorel had research that proved it every time, and it was about something as important as their planet blowing up and nobody even checked it? That doesn't make sense.

>>86008680
>It's a federafag episode.

>>86008676
>We will all take refugee in Hell

But mr scientist. everything looks the same

>>86008706
You're retarded and reading too much into a simple story to show hubris and arrogance.

>>86008680

>The planet didn't blow up immediately, either

It sure as fuck did. I just watched the scene. The time between Brainiac telling the Kryptoninas they were doomed and the planets destruction was exactly 85 seconds

>he knew planet would be destroyed
>didn't start sending people to the phantom zone early
>tried to ask permission when he didn't have to

fucking stupid

>>86008706

It was being checked. By Brainiac. The machine the finest minds of Krypton created. How could it possibly be wrong?

>>86008754
It was long enough for him to get back to his house and set off the rocket. It had to be hours.

>>86008770
Because hey we're only getting their data from ONE SOURCE.

Who checks Brainiac?

>>86008762

>Start randomly transporting people to the Phantom Zone
>Get shot by Kryptocops
>The people you sent to POhantom Zone are trapped forever in a hell without end with no chance of escape. Literally a fate worse than death

Great plan retard

>>86008793
How many sources did you check on how Krypton blew up?

Checkmate science autist.

>>86008593
Yeah, real scientists are always eager to check someone else's work. That's what gets all the glory and advancement opportunities, right?

>>86008837
You don't know anything about science.

>>86008778

NO. Now you're just lying. That was Brainiac just telling Jor El. He later tells the rest of Krypton just before they die

>>86008793

They all checked Brainiac findings. Braniac manipulated everything. Imagine if the internet was sentient. That was what Brainiac was. Even when they checked the findings they wouldn't see anything wrong as everything was manipulated

>>86008793
>Who checks Brainiac?

Brainiac checks Brainiac, and he performs 50 megachecks per second. Brainiac is flawless, we know because it told us it was.

>>86008880

More like we know because we made it

>>86008877
They could have kept checking all of his calculations independently to see where he was lying.

This is what science is about.

>>86008856
So are scientists not motivated by normal human incentives? Are they a different species?

Or are you implying that fact-checking someone else's landmark study provides just as much in potential returns as making one's own?

>>86008880
>Brainiac checks Brainiac

That isn't science.

>>86008892
>They could have kept checking all of his calculations independently to see where he was lying.

No they wouldn't because they were so arrogant that they believed they couldn't possibly be wrong

>>86008889
And then we told Brainiac to check itself for flaws, it proceeded to do so, and informed us that it had none.

Would you rather live in the Dark Ages with no science, or the modern age and have to deal with Fedorathiests?

>>86008907

It's Kryptonian science

>>86008912
Then that isn't science.

Jorel should have gotten all the actual scientists together and saved them and let the Brainiac Christians die

>>86008925
>implying there wasn't science in the dark ages

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>>86008925
>Dark Ages
You stop that.

>>86008942
>Then that isn't science.

So your whole problem is that the science council aren't real scientists and are fucks up because they were arrogant and that's why Krypton died? Like literally everybody in this thread has been telling you?

I think we're done here

>>86008390
>>86008680
>>86008706
>>86008942
>advocates checking findings
>can't even be bothered to double check and spell Jor-El's name right

>Something terrible happened to you in outer space. All you can remember are the last few moments, the sun fading to a speck as you and your crew broke free from the solar system, the ship’s systems suddenly shutting down, the panic and blackness inside, shouting and sobbing, outside the phosphorescent fringes of the wormhole as it opened up in front of you – and then you woke up, sweat-slick in your own bed at sunrise, with the birds singing outside, in another universe. You are trapped in the world of the popular TV astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson, and you know this, because here the sunrise isn’t a sunrise at all. In fact, the earth is a sphere orbiting the sun, so the sun does not in any sense actually ‘rise’ – it’s just that you happen to be positioned right on the moving line, known as the ‘terminator’, that separates the illuminated portion of the planet from its dark side. And the birds singing aren’t really singing – actually, they’re just emitting a series of noises without any of the tonal qualities that distinguish singing from other vocal emissions. And the bed isn’t yours, because scientists have never been able to find any way of isolating ‘ownership’ in the physical composition of any object. You jump out of bed and start banging frantically at the walls. Is there no way out? Where are your crew? You rush to the window, and almost collapse in horror. It’s all there, spread out in front of you, exactly like home: everything is exactly the same, but in this sick parody of a universe it’s all been twisted into something hollow, meaningless, and mercilessly dull.

>>86009020
>Pink strands of cloud fizzle up from the horizon, and you know that actually the horizon is just the curvature of the earth, and that the clouds, which were once believed to be inhabited by angels, house nothing of the sort. A few people are already outside in the streets below you, jogging, going to work, but they’re not really people. Actually, they’re just apes of the family Hominidae, most closely related to the genus Pan, going about their ape-business, which remains primarily motivated by the ape-needs of food, shelter, and sex. There is nothing that isn’t instantly boring. It’s too much. You rush into the kitchen, rattling the drawer in sheer panic (actually just dyspnea, tachycardia and dilation of the pupils caused by a surge of epinephrine in your body), pull out the knife (actually just a piece of metal attached to a piece of wood), and open your wrists. The blood (which was once thought to be one of the four humours, governing personality traits, but which is actually primarily used to transmit oxygen) glugs out, darker in colour and slower than you’d expected. It’ll be over now, you think. But actually, you’re not dying: you’re just a collection of atoms, and every single one of those atoms will remain. Not only are you in this universe, this universe is in you.

>>86008942
They would have been arrested by the science police. Which Brainiac controlled. Remember how Superman's grandpa took Jor-El's Jetson's car and lead the science police away to give Jor-El the time he needed to prep the rocket?

>>86008891
You're right. In the real world, there's no way actual scientists could conduct over a thousand studies on breast cancer cells over the course of several decades, accidentally using melanoma cells instead, before someone catches them. No way that kind of mix up could go unchecked, right?

http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2014/12/09/368491013/mistaken-identities-plague-lab-work-with-human-cells

>In fact, scientists published more than a thousand papers with this cell line over the years. About 15 years ago, scientists using newly developed DNA tests took a close look at these cells. And they were shocked to discover that they weren't from a breast cancer cell at all. The breast cancer cell line had been crowded out by skin cancer cells.

>>86009041
>Neil deGrasse Tyson is, supposedly, an educator and a populariser of science; it’s his job to excite people about the mysteries of the universe, communicate information, and correct popular misconceptions. This is a noble, arduous, and thankless job, which might be why he doesn’t do it. What he actually does is make the universe boring, tell people things that they already know, and dispel misconceptions that nobody actually holds. In his TV appearances, puppeted by an invisible army of scriptwriters, this tendency is barely held in check, but in his lectures or on the internet it’s torrential; a seeping flood of grey goo, paring down the world to its driest, dullest, most colourless essentials. He likes to watch scifi films, and point out all the inaccuracies. Actually, lasers wouldn’t make any sound in space; actually a light year is a unit of space rather than time; actually, none of this is real, it’s just a collection of still images projected at speed to present the illusion of movement, and all the characters are just actors who have never really been into outer space. When the rapper B.o.B. started loudly declaring that there’s a vast conspiracy to hide that fact that the world is really flat, Neil deGrasse Tyson immediately jumped in to refute him, even featuring on a eye-stabbingly awful rap song insisting that ‘B.o.B. gotta know that the planet is a sphere, G’ – a passionate, useless, and embarrassing defence of the blindingly obvious. In a world that’s simply given, brute fact, any attempt to imagine it into an entirely different shape must be stamped out.

>>86009063
>Why? The subject-matter is cosmic and transcendental, the object-cause is petty and stupid. Neil deGrasse Tyson strides onto stage to say that actually the Earth orbits the sun, that actually living beings gain their traits through evolutionary processes, that actually your hand has five fingers, that actually cows go moo, that actually poo comes out your bum – and you are then supposed to think yes, I knew that, and imagine someone else, someone who didn’t know it already, some idiot, and think: I’m better than that person, I’m so much smarter than everyone else.

>A decent name for this tendency, for stars and spaceships recast as the instruments of a joyless and pedantic class spite, would be I Fucking Love Science. ‘Science’ here has very little to do with the scientific method itself; it means ontological physicalism, not believing in our Lord Jesus Christ, hating the spectrally stupid, and, more than anything, pretty pictures of nebulae and tree frogs. ‘Science’ comes to metonymically refer to the natural world, the object of science; it’s like describing a crime as ‘the police,’ or the ocean as ‘drinking.’ What ‘I Fucking Love Science’ actually means is ‘I Fucking Love Existing Conditions.’ But because the word ‘science’ still pings about between the limits of a discourse that depends on the exclusion of alternate modes of knowledge, the natural world of I Fucking Love Science is presented as being essentially a series of factual statements. There are no things, there are only truths. The fact that the earth is a sphere is vast and ponderous: you stand on its grinding surface, as that fact carries you on its heavy plod around our nearest star. The fact that the forms of organic life emerge through Darwinian evolution is fractal and distributed, so that little fragments of that fact will bark at you in the street or dart chirping overhead.

in the comics Non tried stirring up the public to believe Jor-El's claims, he got a lobotomy and a Phantom Zoning for it. The Krypton higher ups are just too deep in their own asses to double guess Brainiac. Given time it was possible they could have overturned him but Brauiniac was manipulating the data from day one to ensure its survival

>>86009072
>The fact that there is no God, being a negative statement, is invisible, but you know for certain that it’s out there.

>Which is not to say that there’s any requirement that these facts be true. None of this is real. Those multicoloured nebulae are not real objects, they exist only in fantastic pictures overlaid with Neil deGrasse Tyson’s face and some vague sentiments about how wonderful the universe is when it’s very far away from human life. The images are digitally stitched together, the colours are fake, the shapes are not anything that could actually be seen out the window of your spaceship, a real-life nebula is about as exciting as a damp fog. If you’re going to love the natural world, really Fucking Love it, it’s best that you know as little about it as possible, or it might start to seem less lovable. Like when Neil DeGrasse Tyson quipped that ‘if ever there were a species for which sex hurt, it surely went extinct long ago.’ It’s a perfect Tyson fact, true because it’s basically tautologous, its scientific quality having everything to do with the idea that actual phenomena are just instantiations of abstract laws, and nothing to do with any scientific observation, such as listening to the yelps of cats fucking at night, or to women.

>>86009072
>Or when his TV show Cosmos described the sixteeth-century astrologer Giordano Bruno as a martyr for science, executed by the Catholic church for proposing a heliocentric solar system. See how the idiots persecute us, the rational, with their superstition and their hostility to objective thought. The reality – that Bruno believed in magic, worshipped the ancient Egyptian god Thoth, and was executed not for heliocentrism but for denying the divinity of Christ – is ignored, because that isn’t Fucking Science Love. Or when he decided that ‘Italy valued cathedrals while Spain valued explorers. So worldwide, five times as many people speak Spanish than Italian.’ A spurious reconstruction of the past from present conditions, or the I Fucking Love Scientific theory of history: successful tribes were populated by little atavistic Carl Sagans; if Italians didn’t slaughter millions in the New World it isn’t because the peninsula was at the time fractured into multiple city-states (some of them occupied by, uh, Spain) which supplied significant amounts of capital rather than colonists, it’s because they weren’t interested in spaceships.

>>86008647
IIRC Supergirl was introduced when Superman visited the remains of krypton, and found a life sign on a nearby planet. Kryptonians had colonized it, and the explosion doomed the colony. They had time to get their entire civilization into stasis pods, but only Kara survived, since it had been over twenty years. Strange to think they had advanced tech as a civilization to colonize a planet, and put the entire colony into stasis, but none of these people thought to leave the planet. They must not have had a kryptonian equivalent of the nobel prize, because intergalactic-nigh instantaneous FTL wormhole travel would have gotten Jor-El SOOOOO many nerd boners over here.

>>86009116
>But all this is pedantry, the perverse insistence on how the world is, the total apathy to how it could be different. Pedantry could be broadly defined as a hostility to metaphor, the demand that every object stand for itself and nothing else, that words function in the same way as numbers. Which is why it’s pointless to criticise Neil deGrasse Tyson or the I Fucking Love Scientists for being the pompous, self-important, and utterly cretinous pedants that they are: it’s just falling back into their own dismal, boring logic, insisting that a thing is what it is rather than something else. It won’t help you, lying dazed on the lino, the blood now spluttering in half-congealed dribs from your arms, running diagonally to the corner of the room, where the cat is skittishly starting to lap it up with tiny flicks of its tongue. You lie there, and you try to remember if you ever did really go into outer space. It was so black out there, you remember. And all the stars were so far apart.

Genuinely curious- what is it that possesses people to needlessly try and poke holes in fiction?

It's like the people who look at horror movies and say "why didn't they just not do #thing and they'd be fine?"

Is it a coping mechanism to convince themselves that it could never happen to them? Are they trying to prove that they're smarter than the writer?

I don't understand it.

>>86009144
>IIRC Supergirl was introduced when Superman visited the remains of krypton

Nah. It was a sister planet. In the Cartoon Supergirl isn't really his cousin

>>86009144
There was also the time when Supergirl was from a city that got shielded from the explosion and eaten by Brainiac

>>86009153

The holes he's poking are literally why Krypton was fucked though. OP is triggered that the science council weren't real scientist anymore but that was the reason that led to their death

>>86009164
So... wait... She wasn't kryptonian? Just from a different race in the same solar system, ALSO looked human, and had equivalent kryptonian powers? I'm not questioning it, J'onn exists, but still, that's wierd.

>>86009260
Same race, different planet in the same solar system that had been colonized. In STAS Kandor wasn't the bottle city, it was another habitable planet in the same solar system as Krypton.

>>86008907
Or it's Kryptonian science, which is more advanced than your PR degree.

>>86008593
Here's one final article for you to read, if you're actually interested in understanding how human limitations corrupt the scientific process in reality.
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v483/n7391/full/483531a.html

Some choice highlights:
>It was acknowledged from the outset that some of the data might not hold up, because papers were deliberately selected that described something completely new, such as fresh approaches to targeting cancers or alternative clinical uses for existing therapeutics. Nevertheless, scientific findings were confirmed in only 6 (11%) cases. Even knowing the limitations of preclinical research, this was a shocking result.

>Unfortunately, Amgen's findings are consistent with those of others in industry. A team at Bayer HealthCare in Germany last year reported that only about 25% of published preclinical studies could be validated to the point at which projects could continue. Notably, published cancer research represented 70% of the studies analysed in that report, some of which might overlap with the 53 papers examined at Amgen.

>Some non-reproducible preclinical papers had spawned an entire field, with hundreds of secondary publications that expanded on elements of the original observation, but did not actually seek to confirm or falsify its fundamental basis. More troubling, some of the research has triggered a series of clinical studies — suggesting that many patients had subjected themselves to a trial of a regimen or agent that probably wouldn't work.

So a single instance of non-reproducible research has, on multiple occasions, spurred hundreds of secondary research endeavors that simply assume the truth of the initial paper, rather than seek to falsify it.

>>86008903
I'm pretty sure there's a saying that if a scientist wants to become famous, the best way would be to disprove a long-held theory.

Because if you can, that means everything we know about it, and everything we've developed from it, becomes fundamentally flawed and would require us to go back to the drawing board and inevitably make us learn more about the universe in the process.

>>86009301
Our science wouldn't have been tricked Krypton was.

Do you expect me to believe that NOBODY believed Jorel?

>>86008617
Now you're getting it.

>>86008192
that's where "listen and believe" gets you

>>86009329
I expect you to believe that people didn't want to believe Jor-El. Some people surely believed him, just not anyone in power. At least not enough to risk their entire political careers on the basis of one single probably wrong scientist up against a literally infallible AI system that is supposed to be more accurate than a thousand scientist checks.

In our world people go the doctor, get misdiagnosed and accept that misdiagnoses without getting a second opinion.This is like if someone thought they had cancer, got checked up, the doctor said nope no cancer, THEN they went to get a second opinion from the world's foremost expert on that very disease and they confirmed, yep no cancer. It's just that, but with political pressure added on.

You know people say STAS never hits the same heights as BTAS but I would definitely count this episode and The Late Mr Kent as high as Heart of Ice

>>86009427
>I expect you to believe that people didn't want to believe Jor-El.

That doesn't make sense because SOMEBODY would believe him, and the scientists in the council should have at least checked his findings.

>hurr durr muh Brainiac worship
If Jorel was lead scientist there had to be more than one.

>>86009467
>should have at least checked his findings.

They did, by running them through Brainiac. What is so hard to believe about that?

>Goodness, this man says our planet is doomed!
>Feed his findings through Brainiac for verification, the computer we made that's never wrong about anything!
>BEEP BOOP, JOR-EL IS FULL OF SHIT AND JUST WANTS ATTENTION, KRYPTON IS FINE.
>Fuck off Jor-El, trying to scare us by telling us the planet's gonna blow up
>But the planet is gonna blow up, Brainiac is lying to you!
>Brainiac has never lied to us before, you keep talking shit about him we're gonna get the science police to revoke your science license.

>>86009523
You don't check findings with only ONE source you fucking baboon. That IS NOT SCIENCE.

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>>86009538

>>86009538
>>86009538
>That IS NOT SCIENCE

Yeah it's not. And that is why Krypton died. Because the Science council had became incompetent and arrogant thanks to Braniac. You realize you're agreeing with the episode right?

>>86009558
It still doesn't make any sense, and there is no way that nobody else could have gotten off the planet

>>86009538
You seem to be ignoring the whole up until that point Brainiac was never wrong and never lied to the council parts of the story. Why is that? It's an Aasimov reference, Brainiac zeroth lawed Krypton.

>>86009569
>and there is no way that nobody else could have gotten off the planet

They had less than a minute. We've been over this

>>86009467
Ah yes, your use of the coherent arguments of hurr and durr have automatically rendered a relevant point null.

OP is a triggered little bitch

>>86009467
>and the scientists in the council should have at least checked his findings.

Yeah they SHOULD have. But they didn't. The science council was arrogant and incompetent. But this isn't a plothole like you're trying to suggest

>>86009594
All atheists are.

>>86009569
They had no time. And some people did survive through happenstance.

>>86009538

That's the idea.

>>86009594

He's just a moron

>>86009607
He had enough time to get home. Other people should have had enough time to get in their own spaceships

>>86008892
They probably did, but brainiac controlled the data stores themselves, manipulating the data the scientists saw. And someone did do their own primary research and came to their own conclusion- Zor-el. And brainiac made sure he was ostracized for disagreeing with the scientific community.

>>86009623

Only Jor-El knew at that point The rest knew a minute before they died. We have been over this

And before you say "Well why didn't Jor warn people?" 1) He had been trying. 2) Brainiac would still have denied it 3) He was already being hunted by the cops at that point 4) He knew he only had enough time left to save his son

>>86009651
He had the Phantom Zone thing. He should have forced people into it if they tried to stop him

>>86009623
Except no one knew anything was wrong due to Brainiac suppressing all knowledge of Krypton's impending destruction. He was integrated into all of Krypton's infrastructure, including comm systems, that's how he uploaded himself into that satellite.

>>86009329

Millions of people believe expert opinions without any real science backing them up just because they're experts.

>>86009666
>I know nothing about science

holy shit fuck off

>>86009623
He was being pursued by the police. Do you think they were doing that because they thought he was right? Brainiac revealed his plan to Jor-el and then told the government that Jor-el had done illegal, shady shit. They chased him home. His Father-in-Law even let the police arrest him to buy Jor-El time. Did you watch the episode?

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>had no idea brainiac had anything to do with krypton's destruction
>decide to read his wikipedia article
>see this
I always thought it was a portmanteau of brain and maniac.

>>86009659

Oh my God. You are actually a spastic.

He only had time to save his son. He had to get back to him. Any father would have made the choice Jor-El did

>>86009676

Neither do you. Thousands of scientific articles get published a day and routinely get touted as fact before the facts are checked.

>>86009684

Yeah so did I. At least we all got some worth out of the retarded OP's thread

>>86009153
it removes immersion when the logic of a movie is inconsistent. it's frustrating to some viewers and they like to complain about it.

>>86009707

Except this episode wasn't inconsistent. It would have been inconsistent if the council did question Brainiac

>>86009145
Nice blog nigga but brevity is the soul of wit.

>>86008566
>retards can pretend to know science, therefore science is based on faith

><>J

>>86009721
i haven't seen the episode. you just asked a genreal question. i agree the OP does seem a little nitpicky

>>86009734

I never said science is based on faith.

>it's a memethiest thread

>>86009689
If he had started as soon as he'd known the planet would be destroyed he'd have been fine.

>>86009758
>If he had started as soon as he'd known the planet would be destroyed he'd have been fine.

But he did

>>86009774
No, he should have started Phantom Zoning people

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How smart is braniac. Was he the sum of all kryptonian knowledge or did he also hae knowledge from other alien societies. Where does he range when compared to other AI

>>86009777

And then he would have been killed on sight

>>86009707
But the logic of somebody not taking a gun to a haunted house isn't inconsistent if you don't know that you're going to get murdered ahead of time.

Likewise, there's no reason to mistrust Brainiac if you don't know your planet is being destroyed.

>>86009784
Wasn't he from Colu?

>>86009784

In comics?

Brainiac is supposedly the most intelligent being in the multiverse at this point. In the show he was a Twelfth level intellect which put him at the same level as the New God Metron but that was after years of amazing knowledge from the rest of the universe

>>86009798

Comics Brainiac is. DCAU is created by Kryptonians.

>>86008572
>seething

wtf I hate superman now

>>86008925
>Dark ages.

Your opinion is discarded.

>>86008545
>Hence why he never got enough capital to make a suitable number of ships

Part of it was the official isolationist policy. He had to build the small escape ship, in secret with what limited resources he could take without drawing attention, because he wasn't ALLOWED to build an interstellar ship.

>>86008706
>That doesn't make sense.

Are you really that dumb, or is this just Trolling through being obtuse?

That's the entire point. They grew lazy and arrogant. The created their own Skynet to do the grunt work while they lived in utopia.

You're complaining that their reasoning was flawed and they didn't check the facts?

WE FUCKING KNOW. That's the entire point of the story. They were complacent and arrogant. They didn't exercise proper critical thinking, arrogantly believing their perfect society couldn't be touched.

These flaws aren't a plot hole. They died BECAUSE of these flaws.

>>86010238
Why are you so fucking dense? THAT ISNT SCIENCE

>>86010356
Well it's sure not magic.

>>86010356
>THAT ISNT SCIENCE

Yes, and? That's the entire point I just made retard.

They were arrogant and complacent. They didn't exercise enough critical thinking to spot the problem and died for it.

Kill all atheists.

>>86008230
/thread
Krypton = Hubris and Arrogance

>>86010622
It still doesn't make any sense, because it goes against what science is.

>>86010680
It really isn't a hole in DCEU.
There is a supercomputer AI that replaces peer research.
Turns out said Supercomputer prioritizes staying alive over at the least giving warning signs.

>>86010750
>replaces peer research

That doesn't make sense. No scientist would allow that.

>>86010807
well...they did.

>>86010878
No they didn't. That's not a good excuse.

>>86010807
No human scientist.

>>86010901
Do you not understand how real science works?

>>86010889
>No they didn't. That's not a good excuse.

Y'know, I've always thought being deliberately obtuse was the lowest form of Trolling.

You don't inspire shock or outrage. You don't offer contentious opinions that make people think. You don't derail with hilarious Magnificent Bastardy.

You just act dumb so people repeat themselves and explain the obvious.

Fuck off you cancer.

>>86011057
You can't just say "they did" without having a good reason.

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>>86008192
>Believing in Climate Change

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>>86010807
>>86010916
the kryptonians don't, or they do but let their biases get in the way. IT think it's even their version of political correctness(note: PC =/= leftist veiws, it can mean any political choice, as long as it is in the majority), which is Braniac is never wrong and questioning it or the supreme council is heresy. Besides, politics is the only force that scientists can't fight with facts.

>>86011197
>>86011149

/pol/, leave.

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>>86011609
Sorry not all of us are willing to believe crazy ideas from left wing extremist.

The planet isn't going to explode if the hyper 12th level intellect machine says so.

>>86008892
Nobody is that meticulous.

>>86011771
That's what science is.

>>86009659
>He should have forced people into it
How?He's but man.

>>86011812
No,it's not.

>>86010622
Wait...does that mean thematically David Goyer truly does understand Kryptonians and from him we will get the SyFy series we deserve but don't need?

>>86011821
Old Fashioned mad science. What Jor-El needed to do was tell everyone okay fine, Krypton won't 'splode.
Then build a great big fuck off Phantom Zone Projector amplifier, zap the entire global population and proceed with his Rocket plan.

>>86011862
Yes, it fucking is. Are you stupid?

>>86011880
Or he's hired somebody who does to Ghost Write him.

If only because I cannot believe the guy who gave people shit for knowing who Martian Manhunter is would actually know about the Untold Tales of Krypton.

>>86011938
It was meant as a dig at goyer for being a man of arrogance and hubris.

>>86010680
I don't know if you have autism or something and can't understand, but sentient beings are not robots, they don't always do things logically.

>>86011964
Then that's bad writing.

>>86008568
We just have to get off the grid, maybe into space if that's what it takes. Train people in infowar tactics to watch out for AI infiltration. Limit it's spreading capabilities. No Friend Computer ain't gonna subdue us.

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>>86008601

>>86011149
Climate change is something natural that has happened several times over the course of our planet's history.

>>86008192
Sounds about right. Scientists are stupid.
Remember when they thought female praying mantises all ate their mates because they observed them mating under bright lights that caused said mantises to freak out?
Remember when they thought that England had a peasantry because they all believed Karl Marx, who had flat out assumed England had the same medieval social system as the rest of Eurasia?
Remember when they thought OP was not a fag?
Sometimes these delusions can take decades to correct and only because some random grad student repeats the original work and finds it wanting.

>>86008512
>this is how an "adult" has a conversation

Haha

>>86012712
>scientists are stupid

t. Butthurt Humanities Major

>>86012791
>Remember when they thought that England had a peasantry because they all believed Karl Marx, who had flat out assumed England had the same medieval social system as the rest of Eurasia?
I'm including "social scientists" there too faggot.

>>86008230
>xenophobic
>they trust an alien

>>86012831
It's social "scientists", faggot.

>>86008454
AI dev here

Nothing we have is even remotely close to real AI. We have statistical algorythms that build decent heuristics and rule-based semantic systems.

We are nowhere near understanding the brain, much less simulating or emulating it. No, Tay does not have intelligence. Neither does Siri or Watson or Cortana.

Calling anything that exists today AI is just marketing bullshit

>>86010807
Listen kid, science and scientists are not the exemplars of reason and logic you think they are, they can be fallible to the same prejudices and faulty reasoning as anyone else. And as for the people, if kryptonions are anything like humans then they have a bad habit of believing what they want to believe and resting far too much faith in authority figures.

>>86008539
Where's a good place to stream Superman eps? Watchcartoononline.com just has the Batman half.

>>86013515
That's not true. One of my good friends is at Princeton and is a PHD graduate student studying theoretical neuroscience and there are definitely already ways in which we know the brain works. We don't know how all of it works at once but we know a great deal about it. And scoentists wiring in programs like his get recruited by tech companies all the time. You're full of shit.

>>86010807
>kryptonian society is exactly like ours
Except that's not true

>>86008512
>adults on co

>>86013523
Then they aren't scientist. Real science empirically test findings.

>>86015192
So "real scientists" are infallible and not human?

>>86015573
Real science is tested by lots of different sources.

You don't understand science. Fuck off.

>>86015647
And you don't understand people. Stick to mom's basement you fucking idiot.

>>86013523
> they can be fallible to the same prejudices and faulty reasoning as anyone else.
Yeah but they argue with each other. That's the one thing all scientists love to do. Most scientists build a career by arguing with the findings or positions of other scientists. Science works not because all the scientists agree on it, but because all the scientists love to disagree and the shit that gets through is the stuff that people are incapable of disagreeing upon.

>>86012712
>Sometimes these delusions can take decades to correct and only because some random grad student repeats the original work and finds it wanting.
You mean they do science? I don't understand your complaint, here. Science fixes itself with more science. That's the whole point. Science doesn't claim to be an absolute truth; it's just the best we've got at any given time. You've got some pretty severe cognitive dissonance about what science is. When a grad student corrects the assumptions of previous experiments, that's not an inadvertent fixing of the mistakes of science, that's science working exactly as intended.

>>86008611
Isn't a little extreme that the main punishment for criminal is spending who knows how long in hell, phantom zone basically that one dimension where you can barely exist but your still there so it's agony for however long time flies I. There did krypton not have any jail space?

>>86008680
yeah Kara's father

>>86009676
>What is Autism and Vaccines
The guy who made that study was disbarred for lying yet people still believe it.

>>86016042
Phantom Zone is literally hell I'm pretty sure.

>>86010456
You're retarded

>>86008390
Do you also get mad that no one in Atlantis had a evacuation plan? Stories don't need to make perfect logical sense if it gets in the way of the story's message.

>>86016898
But that's exactly why Krypton died, they trusted Brainiac too much.

>>86011991
It actually is good writing, not everyone has autism irl.

Man of Steel's Krypton is even funnier.

>go into space and colonize dozens of worlds.
>thriving civilization for hundreds of thousands of years
>decide to grow pod people for specific purposes
>decide to abandon space colonies.
>resources depleted
>tell the head of the house that does science and exploration, "shut up meg".
>even the military leader is convinced and attempts coup
>leadership still ignores everything

Seems like they could have survived by just moving back to a colony.

Though their decision to end colonialism when their population was large and resources low. Is perplexing.

>>86015192
>No true Scotsmen
Scientists are not magically immune to bias shit like phrenology and eugenics lasted so long because they validated people's preconceived ideas.

>>86015192
In the same way that most people won't "check" a calculator's results, no one on Krypton thought to question that brainiac could be wrong

>>86017055
And then that shit was corrected... by science. Refer to >>86016024

>>86016974
Sry it wasn't for you, it was for the retard you where talking to.

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>>86008276

>He doesn't know most scientific schools are extremely dogmatic, only allowing they may be wrong on very few occasions and with utterly undeniable proof, and even then they'll nitpick every fucking detail to make it look stupid because its simpler to pick a side than to actually make progress

Scientist, even with the whole prestige associated with the title, are still tribal-minded humans you know? The very few who aren't are the one who end up changing the world over because they dared to stir up shit, most of the time at the cost of their reputation and even life.

>>86017091
And again, you're confusing scientists as individuals with science as a whole. See: >>86016024 and >>86015977

>>86017184
No one is trying to poke holes in the concept of the scientific methods, they're trying to poke holes in your stupid argument that scientists can't fuck up because they're the living conduits of Holy Science

>>86012712
>We guess things based on available data
>sometimes our guesses are inaccurate until we get more data

It's like science doesn't even need to have its own name. "Human nature" would fit it pretty well.

Humans are stupid. Remember when they thought the world was created from a fucking eggshell? Ethereal space jews as the guiding hand of physics makes more sense.

>>86017229
That's not the argument, though. You're making a straw man argument because yours is invalid.

>>86017084
You just proved my point, whether it eventually gets corrected in the future is irelevent it shows that the scientific establishment can be wrong because it ignores evidence that clashes with its world view. This is not to say science is bad or useless only that any system based around humans is inherently flawed and you shouldn't turn science into a cult of personality by blindly accept what you are told as fact.

>>86017328
But your point that "science is wrong because phrenology" is wrong because that shit was just corrected with MORE SCIENCE. It doesn't ignore evidence, it waits for evidence to mount and be solidified before changing its position.

>>86017291
Your "argument" is repeating the same statements about the scientific method over and over and acting as if that makes you right

Nobody is arguing about the scientific method you dumb fuck, everyone's talking about the fallibility of scientists as individuals and not as parts of an abstract concept

>>86017407
>Nobody is arguing about the scientific method you dumb fuck, everyone's talking about the fallibility of scientists as individuals and not as parts of an abstract concept

Wrong. >>86012712
This is conflating scientists and science. You lose.

>>86017424
Hot damn it really is like arguing with a religious zealot.

>>86017452
Argumentum ad hominem is a good way to go when you're presented with evidence that destroys your argument.

>>86017359
And then phrenology was vindicated with EVEN MORE SCIENCE when we found out that certain skull contours strongly correlate with schizophrenia and autism, and it makes sense, since the brain and skull develop from the same structure and defects in one can mirror the other.

However, nobody cared. Scientists are generally for ignoring anything that implies that you can look at a person and judge them because they see themselves less like objective observers and discoverers of divine truth and more like the guardians of social order. And that sucks, because anything to make a diagnosis of a psychiatric disorder more concrete is good. Mistaken prescriptions are tragic.

>>86017424
Now I am wondering if you're actually this unbelievably stupid or just baiting

I am NOT conflating scientists and science. You are. That was the whole point of the fucking post

>>86008276
Real science on this planet is constantly hindered by conflicts of interest. Merely reproducing findings isn't glamorous and doesn't forward personal careers or the institutions who signed off on the research. Interested parties fund research and even when they don't cook the results, they squelch anything that doesn't support their worldview. Et cetera, et cetera. Krypton failed not because they were idiots, but because they had parties interested in the results Brainiac was delivering.

>>86017359
I never argued that phrenology proves science is wrong only that it shows that it can be wrong and not challenged for a long time because it aligns with people's biases.

>>86017468
>phrenology was vindicated
That's like saying Lamarck was vindicated by epigenetics.

> Scientists are generally for ignoring anything that implies that you can look at a person and judge them because they see themselves less like objective observers and discoverers of divine truth and more like the guardians of social order.

The lack of self-awareness in this sentence is hilarious.

>I am NOT conflating scientists and science. You are. That was the whole point of the fucking post

Yes, you are. You implied scientific consensus should be rejected just because we didn't have enough evidence at any given time to understand the greater details of various phenomena. That's what that post was saying.

>>86017540
Of course it can be wrong; it's always wrong because there is no way to get the exact, 100% truth of anything. However, at any given time, science IS the way to get the closest guess of what is true. Science is how we approach that 100% truth.

>>86017466
It's also, despite being a fallacy, admissible in a court room when you feel like your audience will be swayed by it, and judging from your vigorous defense of the scientific method, I think the desired effect may have landed.

>>86017548
Yes, it is like saying lamarck was vindicated by epigenetics. He was on to so something. His idea wasn't ridiculous given that we reproduce using parts of our bodies that can be changed by the environment, but the conclusions he reached were.

>He thinks he's intelligent
>He can't distinguish between two anons with different writing styles
Lol

>>86017604
>Heheh you may have been completely right but I won the SECRET argument

>>86008572
What type of science do you do?

>>86017631
welcome to the human race motherfucker

how many levels of argument are you on right now?

>>86017609
>Yes, it is like saying lamarck was vindicated by epigenetics. He was on to so something. His idea wasn't ridiculous given that we reproduce using parts of our bodies that can be changed by the environment, but the conclusions he reached were.

No, he was incidentally, vaguely correct in the general concept for entirely wrong reasons. That's like saying 16/64 = 1/4 because you cross out the 6's. It's not - it's only incidentally correct and implying that the logic used to get there should be applied to other situations is ridiculous.

>>86017592
Nobody is arguing about this, we're talking about how this knowledge applies to the scientists on fucking Krypton that allowed the planet to be destroyed. Then you went on your fucking faith induced ecstacy rant about the wonders of science and not only derailed the thread but completely missed the point of what everyone was saying

>>86017592
So now do understand why a group of scientists that have fallen into laziness and dogmatism would reject jor-el's warnings out of hand because it didn't fit with their world view?

>>86017681
I think you seem to have confused my intent to convey a NEAT FACT with intent to convey a MORE ABSTRACT CONCEPT because you are AN ARGUMENTATIVE PRICK

>oh and did you know the sky is blue
>HOW DID YOU COME TO THAT CONCLUSION?
>DO YOU KNOW THE IMPLICATIONS OF ACTING LIKE IT'S OKAY TO SAY THE SKY IS BLUE?
>WHAT IF EVERYONE JUST SAID WHAT COLOR SOMETHING WAS? WHERE'S YOUR SPECTROMETER FAG?

>>86017698
First of all, I'm a different anon than the first one - my first post is here: >>86015977 Second, you WERE arguing about that, but now you're backpedaling because you're wrong. >>86017775
So you get mad and insult people without contributing anything.

>>86014087
Motherfucker we just learned about an entire undiscovered lymphatic system in the brain. Let your clearly more educated friend speak for himself because I'm sure he'll agree even the best existing neural nets are baby steps

>>86018246
>my first post is here: >>86015977
Good thing it applies to you as well
>Second, you WERE arguing about that
No, I wasn't. You are either dumb, misreading or thinking of a different person.

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>>86008276
you're starting to catch on, anon.

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>>86008192
97% consesus in scientific community that global climate change is real, and dangerous to human civilization.
international corporations spread propaganda to deny it, thereby endangering humanity

>This makes no fucking sense

you got that right. we are basically krytpon now, except instead of going out w a bang, we will go w a whimper

>>86008192

Really, this entire thread could just be:

Bruce Timm is a shitty writer.

We've already had THAT thread like 20 times so far this year alone..

>>86019500
>blaming it on Timm and not Siegel and Shuster
The absence of Brainiac doesn't change the fact that 99% Kryptonian scientists refused to believe data that went against their preconceived notions of how things should work.

>>86009145
STAY WOKE MY NIGGA

>>86017631
I wouldn't be so quick to neglect emotional appeals to your audience made by other writers or the situation in which you are writing. In doing so, you may lose an argument even when the facts your expounding on are right.

However, to my eyes, it appears you haven't been arguing in good faith for most of this thread, so maybe don't bandy about statements about how right you are.

>>86019251
>and dangerous to human civilization
Gonna need a citation and a clear definition of that phrase, senpai.

>>86020105
I mean, if we want to go with a worst case scenario, if Earth's atmospheric composition tips into a "will become like Venus" situation, then humanity is rightly fucked unless we can figure out manned spaceflight (which happens to have all the barriers in place doing something about climate change does).

Can we just kill all memethiests

>>86020218
And 97% of scientists believe this is likely? Definitely need a citation on that one.

>>86008192
let's be fair, ONE scientist wanted to peer check him

>>86008230
fpbp

>>86019500
>Bruce Timm is a shitty writer.
He was working with what he got. Not even Shakespeare could find a justifiable reason to why the kryptonians were so dense.

Jor-El did not have the reputation to back his research, which was seen as apocalyptic bullshit. He was called an upstart by the council, so he lacked experience, and so it fell off the radar of peer reviewing, which had better things to concern themselves with.

This is even before Brainiac was called to check his research. When Brainiac did, he stated Jor El was wrong. That's pretty much it. Brainiac cannot be wrong, and the scientific community did not have Jor El's research on its radar. When you can be peer reviewed accurately and instantly by an AI, why would fellow scientists need to waste their precious time reviewing your work?

This is fairly acceptable. Brainiac states that Krypton did not have an evacuation plan. This is why he kept it all a secret, so he could transfer himself to a satellite and preserve Krypton's data, as no evacuation plan could be properly executed within the given timeframe. Why Krypton never had an evacuation plan? That's another issue. The motive of hubris and social collapse I suppose. Same reason they were all in the same solar system and abandoned their colonies over time.

>Your faith in him would doom us all!

Throwing as many people as possible into the phantom zone was a good idea, it was Jor El's idea, but he didn't have the time. He needed to launch the rocket, and had security forces after him.

>>86008512
Well, if you're gonna have that attitude, then no bombs for you!

>>86008572
>MUH NERD VICTIM COMPLEX
>tipping intensifies

>>86022207
He was their lead scientist

>>86009734

the egg on your fuckin face when you realise there's no such thing as gravity or evolution

remember this post

>>86023855

>there's no such thing as gravity
lmao what fuckin keeps ur feet on the ground hahaha @ u