Is it safe to say that DC has the better comic books, but Marvel

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>>86005368

Marvel has had better comics and movies since around 2010. DC has better characters except for standouts like Spider-Man and the F4 at Marvel. Marvel also has the better shared universe and cosmic hierarchy.

>>86005523
Everything you just stated is not true.

>>86005523
>Better comics
Kek, no. As a neutralfag I can safely say Marvel's been in a drought of good storytelling for a good while now.

>>86005368
I would argue DC has better villains at their disposal

>>86005368
It comes and goes. Once DC used to have better written characters, heroes and detectives, and Marvel mostly did soap operas in comic book form.

>>86005368
No, that is not safe, although it may be true.

>>86005368
Nope

Marvel USED to be amazing up until the late 80s and 90s and then DC slowly overtook them with Vertigo and stuff like Morrison on JLA, Robinson's Starman, Death of Superman, Knightfall, No Man's Land, Kyle Rayner, Emerald Twilight etc.

Meanwhile Marvel was dicking around with shit like Clone Saga, and shitty X garbage like AoA and Genosha... even Hulk sucked and they had him running around in bunny slippers and smart

>>86005523
>Marvel has had better comics

lol

>>86006489
Pick up the side, you goddamn fence-sitter.

>>86007209
>skub.jpg

Marvel shitting threads are mostly by marvelfags anyway, can't be helped when the kike and fatfuck is in charge.

>>86005368
Marvel has better comic books, but the median is waaaaaay in DC's court

>>86005523
As a marvelfag, you're way off the fucking mark. Marvel's movies have been consistently going downhill since 2006, and are the lowest they've been in 20 years at the moment.

>>86007209
Nobody who reads comics treats companies like some kind of stupid ass sports team. That's strictly moviefag tribalism.

>>86005368
Marvel characters are pretty shit, and most of their movies are unwatchable (Fant4stic, Daredevil)

>>86005523
>Better comics
>Marvel


HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA

>>86007493
>Marvel has better comic books

This is objectively false

sure. whatever. who cares

>>86005368
Marvel has better marketing
that's pretty much the only thing they are better at

>>86007520
This.

Longtime Marvel fag for over 2 decades. I still give some love to brand ecch! though. Couldn't live in a world without Bats and Supes.

>>86006489
yeah, nowadays they only pander to Tumblrinas

>>86007690
All I've got to say is Harley Quinn and mansplaining.

But it is okay when DC does it, amirite?

I would say that DC has much better comics atm.
Marvel's movies are better but no where near as big a margin as DC has with comics.

Any modern comic from either of these companies is rather shit atm.

But please keep drawing lines in the sand and competing in pointless debates though.

>>86007895
Oh come on, guy.
Current Deathstroke and Superman are pretty good.

>>86006882
>Emerald Twilight
>good
I agree with most of what you said, but the mid-90's is when the GL franchise began to fall apart.

>>86005368
>Is it safe to say that DC has the better comic books
Yes
>Marvel has the better movies
Yes
>their characters are about equal?
No. Marvel has self-insert or edgelord people that hate being heroes and are hated by the people of their world. DC has heroes you look upto, are good at their jobs and actually love doing it.

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Marvel Now and All-New Marvel Now had lots of amazing books and while DC was struggling to make readable Supes comic, however right now it's hard to deny that Marvel is utter shit with a few exeptions.

only DC comis I em currently following are Red Hood & The Outlaws, Suicide Squad, and Hellblazer
not following any Marvel movies

also have not watched any Marvel or Marvel related movies with the exception of Deadpool

>>86005523
This

Do Marvel have some kind of HEAT equivalent for their legacy capes (like Kamala, Miles, Chulk, Falcap, Loeb's son, etc.)?

>and their characters are about equal?
not quite
currently, being a marvel a-lister characterfag and/or dc b-lister characterfag is suffering. unless you're an x-fag or cassfag, then the suffering will never end

>>86009605
No.

>>86006489
and up until rebirth, so was dc, dc you was a failure

>>86008214

>are good at their jobs

que?

>>86007833
Harley Quinn is softcore porn and your "mansplaining" panel security blanket was from a webcomic

Do I really need to post all cases of Marvel going full SJW? Because I promise you I can fill this thread to the image limit if you want me to.

>>86009943

do it

>>86005368
>Is it safe to say that DC has the better comic books
There are exceptions like Ms Marvel and Vision but ReBirth has overall been very well received (unlike Convergence and DCYou) in both critical reviews and sales.

So for the moment this is clearly true (and if the recent solicitations from Marvel are anything to go by it's not going to change in the near future).

>but Marvel has the better movies
Marvel has had much more CONSISTENT movies. If you like their Big Mac And Fries then when you wander into the drive through you won't be unhappy with what you get; but some people don't like the formula (hence the bitching/trolling about memes and 'quips').

And remember that we're talking about Disney/Marvel Studios in house productions: most of the non-disney Marvel movies (Ghost Rider, Daredevil, Hulk, Fant4stic) have been pretty consistently shit.

And some of that just comes down to taste: I prefer the dark street level Marvel Netflx shows like Daredevil and Jessica Jones, but despised the Disney-fied family friendly Agents of S.H.I.T. At the same time I've enjoyed the whacky comic-book-ness of Gotham and Flash even though it's lower budget and higher cheese than Agents is because it's not even pretending to take itself seriously. But that's just me.

>and their characters are about equal?
Pretty much. You'll get fanbois/character fags/console warriors arguing the point though.

It's another case of things coming down to taste: DC was born out of Golden Age Mystery Men (when no one even thought to question how the fuck the Lone Ranger could come riding up in a fucking mask and not get shot ... because he was wearing a white hat and riding a white horse; OBVIOUSLY he'd get the benefit of the doubt!) and the whole attitude is: SUPER HEROS!

Marvel came about and hit their stride during the 1960's Counter Culture ("Don't trust anyone over 30!", watergate, 'Nam) so it's "soap operas about people with powers."

>>86009605
>Kamala
Is she really considered a legacy character?

>>86010025
well, she did eventually get the original's approval

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>>86009943
>Marvel going full SJW
"It's ok when DC Does it."

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>>86010036
>I have never read Green Arrow

>>86010036
OK, that's a stupid moment, but actually fit's Green Arrow's characterization from the 1970s

>>86009943
>your "mansplaining" panel security blanket was from a webcomic
it was from DC's Sensation Comics issue #30

>>86009907

DCYou actually had good stories though

>>86010025
>Is she really considered a legacy character?
Only in the loosest sense of the term: she's got a totally different costume and a totally different power set; although to be fair Captain Marvel (currently Carol Danvers) has also been used by multiple people with exactly nothing in common (the current Spectrum, for example, was CM at one point).

Marvel's never really had a tradition of passing the mantle like DC has with multiple Green Lanterns and Flashes other than when dealing with Time Travel Shenanigans; although they seem to be going at it hard the last couple of years with Totally Asian Hulk, Ms Muslim, Deadboy Nova, and The Spictacular Spiderman.

>>86007338

It's sad that people believe this

>>86010086
yeah, from what I remember, it was a web-series where they allowed indie writers to write their own ideas for WW

it went as well as expected and was soon canceled to much buthurt of Tumblrinas

still got a physical release

>>86010092

so does marvel now

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>>86010077
>that's a stupid moment
The whole current run is like that. The bad guys are evil international bankers who *literally* skin poor people alive.

>>86010036
he's always been a libtard.
read Brave and the Bold

>>86010127
OK, that's kinda hilarious

good thing I stopped reading after Jeff Lemire left

>>86007338
Too accurate.
Marvel is fun and willing to take risks. DC is gritty and stuck in its ways.

>>86005368
SAfe???
No, since /Tv/ raided us, /Co/ is not a safe space anymore ...

>>86010170
Implying 4chan was ever a safe-space

The only thing of DC's that has been consistently better than Marvel is their cartoons. Aside from X-men evolution Marvel cartoons are pretty shit.

>>86010189
UMMM... but it was?!?!

>>86010152
>OK, that's kinda hilarious
I'm actually not complaining: if you read it as tongue-in-cheek satire it's fine (and the art is some of the best in the whole of Rebirth).

>>86010153
go back to facebook, normie!

>>86010198
if you want safe space, go to Tumblr

>>86010196
>The only thing of DC's that has been consistently better than Marvel is their cartoons.
THAT'S A GODDAMNED LIE!

There's nothing at Marble that generates the level of butthurt that Arrow does. I stopped watching several seasons ago but I still read the talkbacks just because it's such a self parody at this point. The thread for the ep where Not-Oracle Got Her G̶r̶o̶o̶v̶e̶ Legs back just so she could literally walk out on Ollie was fucking GLORIOUS!

>>86010116
Wasn't a web series digital issues were sold first before print and various indie and pro writers worked on it.

>>86010189
It was a safe space from the normies.

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>>86010153
>Marvel is fun and willing to take risks
Yep. That is *totally* what I'm getting looking at the solicits: some ground breaking originality all UP in this bio-tch.

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>>86005368
>a battle between a douche and a turd

Literally who cares? They both have a very, very small number of comic books worth reading among all the garbage they put out.

>>86010198
...when?

>>86010022

>"Marvel has had much more CONSISTENT movies. If you like their Big Mac And Fries then when you wander into the drive through you won't be unhappy with what you get; but some people don't like the formula (hence the bitching/trolling about memes and 'quips')."

Like, I get where you'e coming from, but what you're saying about a Big Mac and Fries formula really applies to ANY comic book movie.

I think within the confines of the Hollywood formula (the generic three acts separated by action beats), Marvel does make better movies. It's not a matter of consistency (what does consistency even mean?), it's a matter of the in-house Marvel movies actually being enjoyable, disposable action to a majority of critics and movie-goers.

The DCEU has the exact same formula as the MCU in terms of the Hollywood structure of the movies, so I don't really get why you'd imply that Marvel alone is guilty of that.

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>>86010387

MCU movies have really, really common plot beats.

>>86005523
Hahaha i bet you dont even read comics, nerd. You probably dont know f4 is no longer a thing in the comics

>>86010551
Nobody reads F4, how could people notice that?

>>86010387
>I think within the confines of the Hollywood formula (the generic three acts separated by action beats), Marvel does make better movies.
I would agree; esp when it comes to balancing large teams as in Avengers I and II and CA:CW.

But it's hard to watch them close together and not notice just HOW similar they all are: very similar colors; very similar scores; very similar quips/comedic beats; ect.

There's no question that GoTG was a MCU movie, for example. You could just drop Iron Man or Cap into GoTG II and they'd fit right in.

And that's not a BAD THING for the most part. But it's hard to look at the two Thor movies and not think that they would have been vastly superior if they'd been free from needing to fit so tightly into the same box.

So I'm much happier with Daredevil being on Netflix and (R-Rated!!) Deadpool being done elsewhere.

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Maybe we should just stop with the console wars and judge things by there objective quality

>>86010533

Yeah, definitely. No denying that. Can you honestly look at the DCEU movies and say differently though?

It's just like there's this different standard for movies made by either company in some people's eyes. They're the same type of movie, with the same type of action beats and the same silly plot points.

It just seems hypocritical to point the finger at the structure of movies in the MCU or the DCEU exclusively

>>86010708

To be fair, the DCEU movies all have the same fucking third act. The first and second acts might be different between movies, but the third act always in a big CGI-heavy shoe-horned showdown.

>>86010641
But nobody cares about "objective" quality. People enjoy things for subjective reasons, and that's an objective fact.

>>86010734

That's every superhero movie though.

>>86010817

Not every MCU movie had such a third act, and i'm the original poster who said that the MCU have very common plot beats.

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Mods?

>>86010835

Which one didn't end in a big showdown?

>>86010613

Totally agree with everything you're saying. I think they've got a really good formula for the team movies, but I wish that they gave interesting directors more creative freedom within the individual movies.

It's frustrating because you can see these awesome glimmers of creative potential in all the cape movies/tv shows. The first shrinking scene in Ant-Man was so much fun at the cinema, but the movie gets so bogged down in exposition setting up a villain to fight in the third act. The idea of examining a real life Superman's impact on the world at large in BvS is a sweet idea, but Snyder expresses that dilemma through a series of CNN debates, graffiti, pickets and over exposed religious imagery. Stuff like this happens every time! There's so many good ideas in these movies that get lost somewhere in translation and it's pretty disappointing.

I'm *hopeful* that Thor 3 might not be so bad with Taika Waititi directing, if they give him some freedom, but I doubt it. Whatever. Hunt for the Wilderpeople was a fun ride though.

>>86010863

Civil War, for example.

>>86010835
what mcu movie doesn't end in a big overdrawn cgi battle? What superhero movie doesn't? I'm honestly drawing a blank besides the Batman flicks.

>>86005368
>Another company wars thread
wew lad
I thought summer was over.

As someone who likes both, does it really matter if someone likes one over the other?

>>86010961

I'm not even that guy, but there's a fight between all of the Avengers, with a short break, followed by a fight between Iron Man, Cap and Bucky within like 10 minutes...

What we mean is that there's a big, general push for a massive amount of action in the third acts of these movies. Civil War *definitely* fits into that mould.

>>86010271
who won?

>>86010898
>I'm *hopeful* that Thor 3 might not be so bad with Taika Waititi directing, if they give him some freedom, but I doubt it.
Hard to say. They *DID* kick Bendy and the other comicbook types to the curb though; and I'm sure that they're all looking at how popular Jessica Jones, Daredevil, and Deadpool are in comparison with, say, Agents of SHIELD. (I know that AoS is a Prime Time show on Network TV; but I'm talking about how popular the darker more adult writing is and how that might work its way back upstream in the future solo movies).

But you've got a better shot with the upcoming DCEU movies (which are still wobbly and trying to find their stride) than the MCU movies (which are not about to change a literal Billion Dollar Formula).

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>>86011019
>who won?
Look under the "g" in "bingo."

It's not even a question, m8.

>>86011217
tick event launches a relaunch. We already got that in insurrexion

>>86011258
>insurrexion
I thought it was Resurr(X)ion? (I swear you can almost *smell* the 90's on these titles).

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>>86011287
>Resurr(X)ion?
HOUSE OF IDEAS!

So we'll get some pseudo-(X)ian imagery/puns and then a Phoenix Phorce'd Ass-Pull non-resolution, right?

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>>86010803
Your idea of enjoyment is arguing with people on the internet?

>>86011528
Don't kinkshame me.

I find the worst of Marvel's movies to be innoffensively mediocre, and the best of DC's frustratingly mediocre (not counting the Nolan films, the first 2 of which I liked).

This might be because I don't particularly care how a Guardians of the Galaxy movie turns out, but feel that characters of Superman's caliber deserve a certain level of respect and reverance.

I don't read much of either's modern comic book output, so I'm not really in a position to comment, but the very best comics I've ever read have all been DC/Vertigo; Animal Man, All-Star Superman, Sandman, Preacher, Swamp Thing, Watchmen, etc; as far as I'm aware, Marvel has never produced anything on that level.

Where DC really blows away Marvel, though, is in animation. Even ignoring BTAS and Bruce Timm's other work, DC have a track record of quality feature-length animated movies, whereas Marvel made 2 good cartoon series in Spectacular Spider-Man and Avengers: EMH only to replace them with the bulging backs of dicks that are Ultimate Spider-Man and Avengers Assemble. Marvel animated features have all been meh to shit.

The funny thing is I've been reading Marvel longer and consider myself more of a Marvel fan, but in terms of quality, live action movies & tv of the past decade or so are the only areas in which Marvel have DC beat.

>1940s
DC > Marvel

>1950s
DC> marvel

>1960s
DC<marvel

>1970s
DC < Marvel

>1980s
DC = Marvel

>1990s
DC > MArvel

>2000s
DC < Marvel

>2010s
DC > Marvel

And as for movies....nothing has come close to the 1978 Superman movie as it's an actual film and not just "it's good for a super hero flick"

>>86011606
>tv

Gotham and iZombie >>>> Agents of SHIT, Frankdevil, and Tumblr: the show

>>86011619
>1980's
>DC
>Watchmen, Dark Knight Returns, Killing Joke
>=

>>86005368
This is the comic a cartoon boards, by this definition DC wins over marvel in all that matter.

>>86011606
idk ever since their flashpoint movie they have shit animated crap pushed out. Its glaringly obvious how small their budget is now compared to their previous releases.

>>86011637
Gotham is fine. I enjoy Gotham.

iZombie is a goddamn police procedural. "Hey, what if a zombie girl used her powers to HELP THE POLICE SOLVE CRIMES?" Get that shit taste looked at, son.

>>86011646
Anon don't tell me you are retarded.

We had Stern Avengers, Byrne FF, Millers Daredevil plus Nocenti, Claremont FF, Simonson Thor, X-factor, Power Pack, Roger Stern Spidey, Peter David Hulk, Grunewald's Squadron Supreme, Cap was on a roll, OG Secret Wars was senseless fun, Rom the fucking spaceknight and the list goes on and on during the 80s.

so sincerely stfu

>>86011692
Yeah, but they'll have to do another dozen movies that are all like the 1st half hour of Killing Joke before their average falls below Marvel's.

I thought Gods & Monsters was one of their better recent efforts.

>>86011750
None of that measures up to Watchmen, tbf.

>>86011750
Claremont X-men not FF.

Marvel was really on their best work throughout the 60s to 80s. It was the 90s that creatively bankrupted them to the point of no return

>>86011619
>nothing has come close to the 1978 Superman movie
I dunno: 1989's Burton Bats was pretty fucking mindblowing at the time. Still my favorite cape soundtrack.

>>86011724
>iZombie is a goddamn police procedural.
Have you seen Lucifer? It's literally Season One of Castle (only instead of being a smirky jokey famous writer the male lead is, you know, a smirky jokey Prince of Darkness.)

>>86005368
Both produce fairly poor comics in general. The constant switch of writers, the convoluted macro universe storylines, the overall lack of consistency and quality across the titles.

Good comics are a weird occurrence, but most of what we could call "the epic ones" are under the DC brand.

The movies, are also just average high budget blockbusters, one company makes movies to pander universal audiences and the other one just pukes poorly edited turds.

>>86011287
It's Ressure(X)i[Black Bolt]n

>>86012006
I tried watching the first episode & couldn't get past 10 minutes. Utter dogshit.

iZombie at least took a whole 4 episodes before I'd had enough.

>>86011724
Watch iZombie.

>>86005368
Actually I have just been browsing a site listing comic book sales figures and I came here to start a thread just to mock Marvel's complete and utter failure when compared to DC.
Marvel had a thing going with Civil War II but finally people caught up with Bendis' bullshit, so that's dropping too.
The only other comics that Marvel seems to be able sell, is Amazing Spider-Man, Star Wars, Deadpool and Captain America Steve Rogers, and most of the times they don't make it to the top 10 even, rarely even in the top 20.
Top 20 comics are always dominated by DC. Last month for example, 18 DC titles and 2 Marvel titles in the top 20. June had 15 DC titles and 5 Marvel titles.

And I'm not even a DC fanboy, to be completely honest with you I have not read a single DC comic book in my entire life. And that's as much of a fuck I give about DC.
But I'm just so fucking glad Marvel's sales are plummeting, it's just what they deserve.
You crap on our favorite characters, you get crapped by us, that's how it goes.

>>86010248
>cartoons

>>86011783
I totally agree with that.
That's when I gave up on them too.
But... with things as they are now, I miss even the 90s.
Marvel is at their worst ever, now. And I do mean ever. Even their no-superheroes 50s were better (Actually the 50s were great.)