Which was the better "anime in a western cartoon" sequence?

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>>85996797
>sequence that actually looks like an anime
>sequence that looks like the same shit but with the framerate cut in half

Gee I wonder

>>85996797
TAWOG

Despite being an avid steven universe fan i have to go with the amazing world of gumball since it actually noticeably changed the show's style for the sequence where as steven universe did not.

>>85996797
Gumball was better animated, and it had the shows best girl in it.

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both were shit and insults to anime

>>85996861
/thread

>>85997166
Calm down weeb

>>85997166
Anime is an insult to anime.

>>85997166
name?

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>>85997166
>animu is so good

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>>85996797
One is a western cartoon show with some references and cues from popular anime that a few people might catch. The other is one episode in a comedy show with a small sequence that is a clear parody of action scenes from anime in general. Overall, this seems like a somewhat lopsided comparison overall.

>>85997500
mob psycho 100

>>85996861
>framerate cut in half

So, the latter was closer?

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>>85997166

>>85996797
But the Steven Universe one wasn't anime in a western cartoon, it was just done with the help of a guest animator from an anime studio.

Also, "anime-style segment in a western cartoon" is one of the most played out gags ever at this point.

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>>85997508
>quality animu thread

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>>85997602
>such animu
>much quality

>>85997582
Gumball was literally the first time it was actually done well though

TAWOG in general has better animation, not to mention they actually hired the Trigger guys to go full out and do what they do while in SU they just hired them to get their usually mediocre animated show and make it a little better. But it doesn't matter because South Park already made the best anime parody.

Twice.

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>>85997652

>>85997676
I watched that segment. It still hasn't been done well.

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>>85997716

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>>85997745

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Where were you when Trigger saved cartoons?

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>>85996797
Well first off, you posted the wrong one for Steven Universe.

>>85997543
DUDE

I ONLY WATCH LOW BUDGET SHONEN

LMAO

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>>85997758

>>85997676
It's cool to like the show, but no. Just nah.

>>85996797
I'm pretty sure the scene in SU wasn't parodying anime or anything. They hair got him because the dude and his team are a huge fan of SU and he helped animate the butterflies.

Anyway Gumball was just a over the top generic anime fight that has been done in the past like a hundred times.

>>85997711
Gumball's bit wasn't done by Trigger

>>85997770
Watching Rick and Morty because that was going on at the same time and Japanese writing always felt off to me for some reason, most likely due to shit getting lost in translation.

The two shows also had an episode where their main characters almost got raped released a the same time which I thought was an odd coincidence.

>>85997711
That was Studio 4C, not Trigger.

Posting because it's slightly relevant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQiGDdlJuPg

The only thing Steven Universe did was reference anime in some form.

Gumball did an actual anime scene with pretty well done animation in a not completely generic anime style

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>>85997906
>in a not completely generic anime style

>>85997846
>>85997903
My bad, I assumed since they got Trigger in SU they'd kill two birds with one stone.

>>85997906
>in a not completely generic anime style
I'm fairly certain the point of the scene was that it was generic anime but okay.

>>85997906
Is this sarcasm or do you guys really hate SU that much that you have to blatantly lie to yourselves?

>>85997512
>some references and cues from popular anime
>some

Nigga, this show is nothing BUT anime references.

>>85997904
>"FOR YOU!"
Holy shit, please tell me that was a reference to this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZq3An7Tf_w

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>Anime reference
>It's an over the top action packed DBZ style animation
Why is South Park the only one that understands what most anime's are really like?

>>85997543
>low budget trash aimed at japanese 7 year olds is the standard for all anime
Take your baito des someplace else

>>85997716
That was still a great anime. The style was just highly unusual.

>>85998096
Tiny Toons & Animaniacs will like to have a word with you.

>>85998115
so defensive
even accepting your premise, wouldn't it make sense that a show aimed at 7 year olds would parody another show 7 year olds would recognize?

checkmate atheists

>>85997941
>>85998007
I'm talking more about the art. Nicole and the other character looked really cool. yea the scene itself was pretty generic, but still fun to watch.

>>85998166
Dude the whole thing was done in generic anime style.

>>85998096
Trey is a huge weeb. 99% of other people have only seen entry level DBZ type stuff. This includes animators.

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>>85996797
>tfw you're too much of a pleb to catch the Mindful Education references

I get most of the other anime jokes the Enigma of Amigara joke clenched it as "yeah the staff is weebs", but apparently I miss the blatant shit.

>>85997798
But all anime is low budget shit aimed at manchildren to sell toys.

>>85996797
I barely even noticed the SU one was by a guest animator.
Why even bother if most of the audience won't realize it?

>>85998413
The dude from Trigger loves Steven Universe and really wanted to do it

>>85998432
That's cool then, I kind of just wish they let him have a bigger effect on the episode other than having it look a little better than usual.

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>>85998084

Oh my god Famicom or whoever that TMS-sperg guy is called is in here

>>85998372
Western art direction and Japanese boarding/animation never fails to look extremely good.

>>85998413
It sort of takes away from the episode's plot or even overall story if suddenly everything and everyone looks completely off model

>>85998096
Genndy did a spot on Speed Racer parody on Dexter, though that was more of a parody of the dub.

>>85998551
SU has everyone go off model all the time even right in the middle of big drama shit, it's not like they care about that.

I guess this isn't really a show that can do stuff like AT where they let an outside artist have 100% freedom to do what they want though.

>>85997166
> it's a "why can't cartoons consistently imitate the level of quality that anime typically manages maybe once a year, once a season if it's particularly good"

>>85998512
Obligatory:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9wi0cPrU4U

>>85998096
One of them is a weeb who actually watches the stuff.

To be fair anime references have improved by leaps and bounds since like a half decade ago, I'm guessing there's been a big influx of weebs. Same carries for vidya jokes, at least in animation the "dude spiky hair lmao" or "dude beep-boop noises lmao" fogies have been cleansed.

>>85998339
Nevermind, looks like I just missed the memo that Studio Trigger animated it.

I can tell when I look closely now, but it's interesting how close they are to the original style, I long presumed Japs fundamentally approached drawing/animation differently because there's always a tell that something's western or Japanese.

>>85998339
It wasn't really a reference to a specific anime, it was a scene animated by a guest animator from Studio Trigger.

>>85997652
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>>85998361

Not /co/ but anyone remember when Community had a random anime scene in the middle of the foosball episode? That was great.

The GI Joe episode was based too.

>>85996797
even though i like SU more, the Gumball sequence is objectively better.

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OP you posted the wrong episode.

>>85996797
>show that apes anime all the time but doesn't want to actually be anime at all
vs
>show that did a gag episode by turning into anime for one sequence
Gee, I wonder
inb4 somebody brings up the SU animated by Trigger sequence

>>85996797
Megas XLR

>>86000260
>inb4 literally the OP's image

Damn Wally.

>>86000167
The better question is, who hates their respective industry more, Miyazaki or Alan Moore?

>>85997512
>some
>popular
At least 70% of SU is anime references, and most of those are from older, obscure animes that people even here wouldn't be able to know about so I wouldn't say they're popular anime (wherein "popular" is being defined with regard to Western cultures outside of Japan and Asia as a whole).

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>>85996797
>>85996861
OP should have posted the actual fight sequence

>>85997810
Just another afternoon in Simcity

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>>86000476
>Done by an actual anime animator
>Fan animation is STILL better

When the fuck will SU get away from flat fucking angles, holy shit man. Do they not know what "dynamic" is? Sure, the animation is great, but it's still a shit fight until the camera cuts to an actually interesting angle.

Even doing a little thing like having them move a bit further off on the stage so the camera pans to get away from being static would help it.

>>86000476
All I see is slightly more fluid animation on Stevonnie and a behind-the-shoulder perspective being used. Is there more to this or what.

>>85999594
>I long presumed Japs fundamentally approached drawing/animation differently because there's always a tell that something's western or Japanese.
That's not wholly unfounded. If you're watching middle episodes of Batman TAS you can tell if it was done by a Japanese studio rather than one of the western ones, but you need to have a keen eye and background knowledge of contemporary anime that was being made at the time.
Robin's Reckoning is a good example of this, there's subtle changes to how the camera pans on a scene and the way characters' facial expressions articulate compared to the last few episodes before it

Why was my post deleted before?

I really wish SU would stop trying so hard to emulate anime.

>>86000766
I think that's it. Although, I did like TAWOG's one better for the reasons stated by >>86000632

>>86000632
I don't think SU has the budget for any dramatic fight scenes like this. It doesn't help that most of the time fight scenes are cut short as episodes are barely 10 minutes long.

>>86000888
You think they try hard? It seems to come pretty naturally.

>>86000476
how do you know hori animated this and not Jeff or Joe?

>>86000968
But they're already paying an anime animator to do something fluid regardless. They don't charge by the camera angle. Why couldn't the first angle be slightly above head and then go into the second angle the way it is now and keep the same time length, same choreography, etc?

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You hire a guy from Trigger, a studio known for extremely stylized animation and fight scenes. And you use him for an on model song. Honestly that is kinda wasting them.

>>86000888
>>86001414
Let's see:
EVA - Congratulations!, Eva 01's Berserk mode
Akira - Tetsuo consumed but with cats instead
Revolutionary Girl Utena - 1:1 copy of a fight sequence between Pearl and Holo-Pearl
Gurren-Lagann/Mazinger - Garnet's Rocket Punch
Dragon Ball Z/Naruto - Weighted clothing
Cowboy Bebop - 1:1 ripoff of the video tape Spike watches
Castle in the Sky - Ruby and Sapphire's fusion dance
they collide with one another
Dragon Ball/Dragon Ball Z - Scouter, Nimbus, Son Goku's karate gi, Jasper's head peaking out of the water
HnK/Stardust Crusaders - two people throwing rapid punches at each other, causing ripples as
Sailor Moon - Cutie Moon Rod attack, Peridot saving Amethyst
That's what I have off the top of my head and I don't doubt that there's way more than that. If it isn't trying too hard to reference them, then it certainly is relying too much on referencing them altogether.

>>86000476
This doesn't look any different from what the show usually looks like. No wait I take that back, there's a little more bounce in the hair and the ponytail follows the head motions. How much did they spend on just this?

>>86001838
Ryuko>Satsuki.

>>86002089
>pleb taste

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>>85998361

>>85997166
>insult to anime
Honey, animu does that by itself.
Also, nice webmd

>>86000476
>Sugar embraces the board artists to go off model
>Hires animator specifically for a fight scene
>MAKE SURE TO STAY ON MODEL AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE

Why.

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>>86002110
>Sugar embraces the board artists to go off model
That explains why there's so many animation errors since the middle of season 2

>>86002099
I know, Mako is clearly best girl.

>>85997166
Nigga 1 episode of Lelo and stitch was more fluid than that.

>>86000632
The fan animation has more "impact" due to a proper use of the shaking cam and great angles. However, the combat choreography in the actual show with Stevonnie is much better than what is basically DBZ (Read: Punch flash-dodge Punch.).
Instead of zipping around, you can see every step Stevonnie takes to avoid Holo-Pearl's thrust-to-slash; how Stevonnie spins to avoid the attack and uses that momentum to cut right through hollow Pearl. And that shield block to horizontal slash to roundhouse kick? Fantastic.

More fluid animation, plus more thought put into the attack sequence.

>>85997770
Kill La Kill sucked shit and you know it.

>>85997166
>insult to anime
>posts generic shonen jojo ripoff

>>85997792
It doesn't matter, the show is a bunch of shitty anime tropes and is garbage anyway.

>>86002482
It looks very fluid yes, but the fight scene still lacks any impact to what should be a heated action sequence. You don't get the sense that each blow has any weight behind it, when Stevonnie follows the spin with a jumping roundhouse it looks like it wasn't achieved by him jumping but by floating upwards without any propellant. The kick itself wasn't even thrust into the Holo-Pearl nor did it actually connect when looking at the frame-by-frame.
Simply having the animation isn't enough when you aren't giving it proper setup. With shows such as Korra the fight scenes strive to do just that, especially when it comes to the environment in which the fighting happens since they're always changing it up what with water-filled caverns and the rooftops of a government building where there's a lot of verticality and environmental hazards to play with.
You also seem to be trying to handwave the fan animation as being DBZ when in reality DBZ doesn't use that level of compactness and cramped spacing for its fight since they utilize flying and ranged attacks in addition to the martial arts, not to mention that in that animation you are able to visibly see every punch thrown rather than the afterimage of a punch being thrown. I think you are overgeneralizing what DBZ fights are like when they happen, and your deconstruction of the Trigger animation is simply praise.

>>86000632
composition (and most timing) is up the boarders not the animators

>>85997770

this anime is bad, it just weeb shit to be honest, not a single good character, terrible comedy, terrible friend character and her family, etc.

Even the animation was nothing impressive after episode one, I had to drop the show at episode 9 it was just unwatchable

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>>86002482
>"If I can see it happening that means it's good!"
You don't have to be able to see everything in shot to know what's happening, and a lot of times it makes for better scenes not being able to view the full picture. You can't see what Daffy's doing all the way in the background here but that doesn't make the gag any less funny than it is.

>>86005011
>>86004770
>>86002482
Shush I don't need your wall of texts, stop trying to pretend like either of you know shit about animation, it's easier said than done and frankly i feel like I've seen the same copy paste argument about "weight" like 30 times before

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>>86001528
well Joe's no longer a boarder but a director (directing half of the post-nightmare hospital episodes) while former non-lead character model designer Colin Howard is Jeff's board partner now

>>86005073

>posts his own wall of text
>uuuh shut up I'm probably right anyway

Anon.

Please.

>>86005184
Joe still does boards in episodes, especially since he has more involvement in the show than previously.

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>>85996797
Oh, Gumball by far.

>t. /sug/

>>86005253
yeah, but their just occasional additional boards/revisions (like Rebecca, Ian, and Kat), and only on episodes he's directed (so Lamar and Katie episodes starting with When it Rains, Colin and Jeff's episodes, and Barn Mates)

>>85996797
SU, it had a great original song and some cool visuals.

Gumball while fun, it's basically the same exaggerated generic anime fight cartoons have been parodying for years now.
Not to mention the fight itself wasn't engaging.

>>86001528
Considering that the episode was advertised as "Animated by Studio Trigger!" everywhere on the internet it had better be

>>86005303
Yes, so Joe could very well have animated that sequence, unless you have a source that trigger was the one who did it.
As far as I'm aware, trigger only helped with the Here Comes A Thought sequences.

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>>86004960
Trigger saved anime with KLK now they are saving cartoons.

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>>86005319
>SU, it had a great original song and some cool visuals.
So you pretty much suck SU's dick and hate anything that's not pretty or has gay sing-a-longs

>>86005457
No I just don't have a raging hate boner for SU like everyone else in this thread.

Does anyone have any links for the SU guest animator animation?

What, really? The 8 minutes prior to the fight in Gumball is still better than the entirety of SU's run.

>>86005561
This

>>85998096

Actually watch Steven Universe any time.

>>86005561
Can you elaborate on that please?

>>85998339
>>85999594

You still missed the Spirited Away reference at the end though.

>>86001930

The Geode is an Akira reference and there was a K-On reference recently with Lapis.

>>86005639
>anime references make it anime gais!

Some of you guys try way too hard to hate on SU and it shows.

>>86005073

I'm not either of those two but I AM an animator and they are completely right, stop making a fool of yourself.

It's NOT hard to make better animation/choreography/cinematography than Steven Universe's fight scenes. ANYONE with basic education in animation can do it. The problem is that most of SU's storyboarders *are not animators* and have little to no clue about animation - they're just a bunch of tumblr artists in their 20s who can design and illustrate but not animate.

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>>86005494
>criticism=hating a show

Why is it SU fanboys are consistently the worst out there?

>>86005795

>I have no argument so I'll spout some random shit to sound cool

>>86005908
Can I see some of your animations?

>>86005900
And many many more try too hard to like it. The last 3 eps were 0/10 and you fucking know it.

>>86006029
You're just proving my point.

>>86006010

Kill yourself.

>>86006048
While you're proving several points of other people in the thread. And you wonder why people can't stand you.

>>86005936
It was a statement just showing how stupid you are

>>86005454
>cartoons plural
>It was only one intern at trigger that did one scene of one episode of SU
>It looked like shit anyways

>>86006080
You're the one acting hostile for no reason famalam.

>>86004770
>You don't get the sense that each blow has any weight behind it
That's unfortunately due to the nature of the Holo-pearls. When they get sliced through they merely get dissipated in place, rather than demonstrate the impact of sword on flesh. I will concede though that Stevonnie's first spin slash needed more exaggeration.

>looks like it wasn't achieved by him jumping but by floating
Have you ever seen a spin kick in real life? The momentum of the body's rotation into the forward leg is what carries the attacker. Very little jumping is involved. Plus given the close proximity of Holo-Pearl (slashing range) and Steev's superhuman abilities, that short "leap" makes visual sense. IT just looks like she jumped high up because of the low angle.

>The kick itself wasn't even thrust into the HP nor did it actually connect when looking at the frame-by-frame.
I don't know what you're seeing but there is a clear connect between foot and HP.
Steev cuts through HP which bisects her midair which causes her to freeze in place, at which point Steev continues the motion and roundhouse kicks the frozen HP out of screen.

I'll admit though, this scene (or just the whole episode in general) would've been improved if the guest animator had been given free reign, rather than restricted by the designs of the show. Example: The episode Food Chain from AT (or just any guest animator AT ep in general. Except water park.)

>You also seem to be trying to handwave the fan animation as being DBZ
I was just saying that there was nothing new or interesting about the fight. It has no personal flair. Merely straightforward punches and dodging. Something that DBZ does quite often. I wasn't referring to the animation, strictly the choreography. There's less thought put into HOW Garnet fought against holo-Jasper.

In fact my whole comment was strictly comparing combat choreography, not the animation. I only said "more fluid animation" at the end because it had more fluid animation.

let's settle this

http://www.strawpoll.me/11150523
http://www.strawpoll.me/11150523
http://www.strawpoll.me/11150523
http://www.strawpoll.me/11150523

>>86005643
He said that Gumball is way fucking better than Steven Universe and he's right

>>86006055
He said he was an animator, implying that he thinks he knows more animation than anyone working on SU, so I just wanted to see his animations if he really is as good as he says he is.

>>86006116
Takafumi Hori isn't an intern, he's an experienced animator who's been in the industry since the 2000s. He's actually not a Trigger employee, but he's affiliated with the studio since working on Little Witch Academia. Before that he's probably best known for his work on Redline.

Having said that, Hori's animation on SU was generally unremarkable save for a few cuts which is a shame given an animator of his caliber.

>>86006146
He's saying that half an episode of Gumball is better than the entirety of SU. Even if you love gumbalk, (I'm a fan), I think that's a stretch. SU is a great show too.

>>86006088

No it wasn't. It was a statement showing how much my argument went over your head.

Hint: I never even remotely implied what you said. You are probably autistic.

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>>85996797
TAWOG was more fun strictly as a homage (purposefully looking choppy in an emulation of long running shonen animation), but SU's sequence was more beautiful and smooth.

>>85996797
Gumball

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>>86006143
Steven didn't try to "do anime", and the Gumball scene was boring as hell because it was a generic anime fight with poor musical direction.
And if the japs can do anything right consistently, it's musical direction.

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>>86006274
>gif
Excuse me.

>>86006126

This whole post is retarded. Please don't try to talk about things you don't understand.

I'm not saying the animation you are talking about was bad though, it was quite good.

>>86000968
>>86001694
This isn't even an animation problem; the root of the problem is in the story boards. They're the ones that tell the animator what to do with the camera placement.

SU has some major shit story board artists, so it makes sense.

>>86006274
The Gumball fight scene isn't a homage to any long-running shonen animation quality, the animation timing in the fight scene is par for the course for anime. I don't think that brief action scene in SU is by Hori since he was given control over timing his animation and it's too smooth to be his work. I think his contribution was in the musical parts where you'll find more anime-style limited animation in the movements.

>>86006373
But isn't it the directors jobs to tell the boarders "This scene is too flat, give it a more dynamic angle, maybe something overhead to make it feel like it's a spectacle and we're an audience watching from our seat".

Instead they just consistently allow flatness to pass. Even before Ian left, he allowed them to do tons of flat shit all the time, but wasn't he a supervisor for Venture Brothers at one time? Did that knowledge fucking leave him or something?

>>86004770
>It looks very fluid yes, but the fight scene still lacks any impact to what should be a heated action sequence. You don't get the sense that each blow has any weight behind it
Now hold on, looking at >>86006322, what you're saying is bullshit. It's oozing with weight. I think the problem with a lot of people who commentate in these threads is that they want every fight scene to be INTENSE like >>85997166, but weight isn't about intensity, it's about, well... weight.

When the holo-Pearl with an axe swings down, for example, it's noticeably heavier than the rest of the sequence, and the way she hangs in the air afterwards is perfect. The way things are weighted is appropriate to the tone of the show: understated but not non-existent, and punctuated with brief moments of heaviness when appropriate.

>>86002110
the animator in question was a hard core SU otaku fanboy. they probably didn't tell him to stay on model, he just is obsessively in love with the model and sleeps witha pearl hugging pillow.

>>86006403
I believe the anon was saying it was a homage to anime because the choppiness would only pass in an anime. It was very out of place in a cartoon like gumball.

>>86006438
Eh my guess is that fight scenes aren't really a priority to them.
They put much more effort into Mr.Greg's balcony sequence in regards to dynamic angles and animation and that wasn't a fight scene.
They could've had trigger animate an upcoming fight scene or something but they had him work on a song. So I'm pretty sure fights aren't really the focus of the show

>>86006322
>this 4 seconds will be the pinnacle of SU fight sequences
Kill me now.

>>86006146
Better songs too.

>>86006403
>The Gumball fight scene isn't a homage to any long-running shonen animation quality, the animation timing in the fight scene is par for the course for anime.
Dude the whole thing was a shonen homage, shit they had a Dragonball manga sequence and they even namedropped Konoha. It was shonen as fuck. It would be very hard to believe the choppiness would just be incidental given all this.

Funny how the absolutely worst part of Gumball in recent years compares to what most SU fans consider to be the pinnacle of the series.

Wonder what would happen if they put up Gumball's season finale against the episode with transvestite Steven?

SU was just disappointing in comparison.

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>>86006143
>more votes on Steven
Welp looks like the Steven Tumblr fanbase has arrived

>>86006306
>"If we ignore all of the times Steven tried to 'do anime' wholesale then it never actually tried to 'do anime' at all!"

>>86006525
>Funny how the absolutely worst part of Gumball in recent years compares to what most SU fans consider to be the pinnacle of the series.
Not really, since they're being compared because they are both animated by Japanese guest animators.

>>86006508
I still like the Malachite fight better for what it's worth.

>>86006550
>Ugh I can't believe the thing I don't like is winning in a poll
>How can the more popular thing win in a POLL of all things

>>86006116
Step up your meme game, anon-kun.

>>86006525
They're being Compared because both are done by anime guest animators. Stop trying so hard to be passive aggressive.

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>>86006487
It would've been out of place in an anime too. They usually put effort into fight scenes, whereas everything else is largely people standing still while the camera pans/zooms about.

>>86006507
Which, IMO, is why they shouldn't have them in the first place. The show's lore and tons of backstory should not be dedicated to the concept of fighting and fighting monsters if it's going to look like shit. Like, it's better to have no fight scenes than half-assed ones with the excuse "Fights aren't a priority", which is something I see so often as a response to this.

>>85997166
>another duel between two brats in school
>with magic and super nature power
man, can this be even more overused? Also, joke on you, that animation is mediocre.

>>86006550
Make a strawpoll like that one in a Gumball thread.
I guarantee that Gumball would be winning if that poll was made in their domain.

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>>86006557
Making anime references isn't "doing anime".

>>85996797
>waste japanese animator on butterflies just flying about while characters moan about their first world problems
>SUcucks proclaim it as the second coming of Christ
You can't make this up.

>>86006522
The dialogue and story is, but the animation is what it is due to the the Japanese animators having full control of the animation in their parts. The designs and direction of the anime fight was given to Tokuyuki Matsutake rather than just having the Japanese animate according to the storyboards.

>>86006274
This is literally unironically the most emotional and best animated 3 seconds I've ever witnessed in my life. The people behind AKIRA should just go fucking off themselves in shame because they failed where Steven Universe has succeeded, in bestowing visual sex upon us mere mortals. I think I might start to cry.

>>86006522
>gumball references are too deep for Steven Universe fans
I guess it flew over their heads because it didn't have the boring "comfy" music and constant crying.

>>86006634
I mean there's only like 5 fight scenes in the show in the first place, if you can call them that. They're more like action sequences. And almost none of them last over 30 seconds

>>86006634
>If it's not the most important thing it shouldn't be in there
No that's dumb.
The whole story puts a lot of effort into examining the aftermath of conflicts and trying to heal afterwards, so it's retarded to say that because they focus on the aftermath they should never show the actual fighting.

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>>85997166
Man, this show has been a ride, and we haven't even reached GRATITUDE

>>86006665
They're not autistic enough to have threads on a minute-wise basis.

>>86006715
Why are Gumball fans so passive aggressive?

>>86006143
>>86006550
I posted the strawpoll in /sug/ so that we could get a larger perspective on what /co/'s general consensus is.

>>86006683
>>86006711
>>86006715
>>86006730
Trying too hard. You can like more than one show you know.

>>86006692
Dude they even did the thing where the dialogue doesn't match up with the mouth movements, it was all intentional.

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>>86006721
Except when we do see the actual fights from the past and they look like fucking this, it makes their whole emotional breakdown from PTSD look like a fucking joke.

>>86006403
>>86006487
I took the choppy animation as them not finishing the episode in time to do in between frames and that they would fill them in for the subsequent home releases just like anime

>>86006755
>Rigging the polls
What a nigger.

>>86006777
You mean the intentionally dumbed down fairy tale version narrated by Garnet? Come on man, you can do better than that.

>>86006767
Like I said, full control. It's not so much about being a homage to something specific but rather the Gumball crew giving a portion of the episode fully to a Japanese studio for it to look like anime proper. That is the intention.

>>86006777
That wasn't really a fight. That whole sequence was like 8 seconds long dude.

>>86006739
Because their show is so consistently good yet non-risky, that there's very little to talk about; which also results in less rabid fans.
As such, there's less attention brought to it on /co/.
In essence, unwarranted jealousy.

I'm pretty sure Gumball is more successful than SU, tumblr users be damned.

>>86006809
>Always having an excuse for why something in SU is "intentionally bad"
Keep liking your autistic show, it's probably the only thing that you can keep up with mentally.

>>86006755
The poll is biased, making it invalid.

>>86006806
It's not rigging them at all if it's a public vote meant for the entirety of the board. All I've done is spread the word that it's out there and that we are allowed to vote on it.

>>86006827
>I'm pretty sure Gumball is more successful than SU, tumblr users be damned.
I mean, I love Gumball too, but SU is pretty much CN's most lucrative show.

>>86006840
>>86006806
Yet it would've been ok to post it in a Gumball thread?

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>>86006834
>I don't watch the show so I don't recognize the contexts of these gifs I save from /co/
>OH SHIT BETTER PRETEND TO BE MAD WHEN SOMEONE CALLS ME OUT Y-YOU'RE THE SHITTER NOT ME

>>86006834
Why are you being so rude?

Does it really anger you so much that people like a show you deem mediocre?

>>86006843
>>86006859
Of course not, that poll was meant just for the people in this thread because we're the ones that's actively discussing it. I say discuss when in reality 2/3rds of the thread has just been shitposting about other crap, but you get the point.

>>86006859
It still wouldn't be ok.
Also, if we had a Gumball and SU thread up at the same time and the poll was posted in both threads, SU will still win because the amount of people it has. There will be bias in the poll because both groups have an unequal amount of people.

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speaking of which......

>>86006885
The context is Garnet telling a story about how Sapphire and Garnet met and how Pearl and Rose interrupted a meeting with Blue Diamond to fight a giant Ruby in the shit fight that was nothing but anime cliches but with shit animation.

And don't say somehow that context affects it because even in non-flashback episodes, Pearl fights in anime cliches, like the entire Utena-trace-over fight.

In the fight with the Gems vs. Lapis the Gems literally stand still and fight in place. I don't know how anyone can justify that shit or even think, "I-it's not about the fights!" is an acceptable response when action sequences make up a good 40% of the show.

>>86006998
Most of the show is talking and/or crying anon.

>>86006998
>The context is Garnet telling a story about how Sapphire and Garnet met and how Pearl and Rose interrupted a meeting with Blue Diamond to fight a giant Ruby in the shit fight that was nothing but anime cliches but with shit animation.
And you know that the whole sequence was done with a completely different art style to reflect the fact that it's being narrated, which is why a lot of things are simplified on purpose, don't you?

Because if you did, you wouldn't have brought it up in the first place. But you did bring it up, so you just end up looking stupid.

>Pearl fights in anime cliches, like the entire Utena-trace-over fight.
If it's a specific reference, then it's not just cliches, which is about general trends. The Utena fight would actually be the worst example of what you're trying to say.

>In the fight with the Gems vs. Lapis the Gems literally stand still and fight in place.
They literally do not stand still.

>>86006631
It's an exaggeration of the difference between cartoons and animes, thus an homage, is what I think anon was saying.

>>86006790
Nah. I'm almost certain this was the train of thought.
>Welp, we are paying this guy to do this fight scene, but we don't want to break the bank, so wouldn't it be funny if we take a lot of shortcuts with the animation just like those old animes? It's going to be epic regardless, so why not save a few bucks if artistic licence permits?

>>85997512
Lapis and one other character are outright ripped from an old Anime when Sugar thought no one was looking.

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>>85996797
>Entry-level anime references
>Vs
>Generic anime fight
Oh jeez, anon. You tell me.
Seriously please tell me.

>>86006586
Just slow the video and watch those holo-Pearl movements. We haven't gotten that kind of fight animation since season 1.

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>>86007073
>And you know that the whole sequence was done with a completely different art style
No it wasn't, the colors were different, the backgrounds were different, the background gems were different, but all the main characters looked exactly like they do. There was no actual style change in comparison to Garnet's Universe.

>They literally do not stand still.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ddLpHci8hY
>Amy stands still and throws rocks, then makes one big jump.
>Garnet makes one big jump then stands in place and does rapid generic fist-on-fist punching
>Pearl moves her foot once but otherwise just swipes at Water-Pearl

>>86005362
it wasn't even trigger, just Takafumi Hori

>>86007672
But nobody's going to know or care who that is so it's easier to say that an entire studio that he once was affiliated with but not anymore was the one that animated it

>>86006961
What episode as this from?

>>86007952
The Scam, a Halloween episode that was probably going to air last year.
It aired in Europe in Spring this year.

Why are we comparing a clearly anime fight scene to a song which would only seem anime if you know the exact references?

>>85998096
>FLCL makes a reference to south park
>South parks makes a reference back
Must feel good to know another professional likes your work.

>>85996797
They were both pretty bad sequences, but at least the TAWoG sequence actually looked like anime. I couldn't even tell that scene was animated by a guest animator from Studio Trigger if it wasn't for the choppy frame-rate.

I wish the japanese could animate an entire episode rather than just like two scenes of an episode.

>>86000287
Alan liked cape comics until he saw what the movies based on them do to the fans and industry. Miyazaki is a man who has taken almost every role in the production of anime and is disgusted that there are few people in the industry who look to real life when making anime and just make homages to homages. it's hard to tell.

>>86009071
> Miyazaki is a man who has taken almost every role in the production of anime and is disgusted that there are few people in the industry who look to real life when making anime and just make homages to homages
Source?

>>86009059
money. Which is weird because japanese animators already work for less than a dollar a day.

>>86009158
I'm pretty sure they have enough money to get an entire Japanese studio to work on one entire episode.

>>86009087
>"Hayao Miyazaki is a Japanese film director, producer, screenwriter, animator, author, and manga artist."
- his Wikipedia page

>"You see, whether you can draw like this or not, being able to think up this kind of design, it depends on whether or not you can say to yourself, ‘Oh, yeah, girls like this exist in real life. If you don’t spend time watching real people, you can’t do this, because you’ve never seen it. Some people spend their lives interested only in themselves. Almost all Japanese animation is produced with hardly any basis taken from observing real people, you know. It’s produced by humans who can’t stand looking at other humans. And that’s why the industry is full of otaku!"
-transcript of Miyazaki’s interview with the Japanese news site Golden Times

>>86009217
Otaku pandering is killing anime.
Light novel adaptations are cancer, and so is moeshit.

>>86009158
The 2 studios they hired were alot more then that.

Japanese studios have not been like that since the 60s and not even Mushi was like that ($50 a month when Toei was $200 a month at the time).

>>86007108
do you have sauce on that?

>>85996797
SUG is for autists.

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>>86009356
>It's just a coincidence guys!
which is why there are so many other characters that look like her, right?

>>86009444
They have been keeping Lapis' hair messy lately in order to allay suspicion.

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>>86009444
atleast she got fan art.

>>86009071
But miyazaki is just angry old man. He hates everything in anime since 80s.

>>86009286
Nothing is killing anime. Anime has always had problem with getting to next big thing. And even light novels adaptions are dead. This season we only have 3 of them.

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The giant inferiority complex western `````````artists''''''' have is pretty nasty to watch.

>>86009444
Nobody cares, it's just an homage. Quit blowing shit out of proportion

>>86009556
It's constricting into a smaller and smaller thing, just like japanese videogames there was a time when anime was big around the world it was becoming a cultural phenomenon but has only shrunk and then pandered to it's most obsessive fans further shirking and relying on a small pool of customers being very dedicated to their hobby.
Now they are more reluctant to do anything new or to step outside of it's comfort zone.

>>86009598
>it's just a homage
delusion

>>86009556
No, the draft is killing anime, otherwise Japanese studios won't be returning to American/European outsourcing if Japan's re militarization did not happen.

>>86009626
Do you really want to normalfags to like anime? Or japan to pander west just because you dont like that anime is for small group or japs? Anime was never art and never will be.

>>86009657
Anime did not become popular in the 90's, 00's and prior because of pandering to anyone in particular but because it was often ambitious with much variety, some tried to be art some serious content others just pure light amusement.
I would like to see anime become a thing that has something to offer to many kind of audiences.

>>86009657
And anime was never big thing in west expect with few series. It is good thing that japan doesnt try to pander west because i still like my fanservice shows

>>86000968
They had the budget for nicki manage

>>85996797
Looking at just the writing gumball hands down
Every single thing about mindful education was trash.

>>86009717
Do you actually believe that 90s had variety? Because it didnt and last time when anime didnt pander something was in 70s. Since 80s anime started pandering otaku culture. Only one who tried to make art was Kon and he is dead.

>>86009782
>90s didn't have variety
please be bait

>>86009782
Didn't say it had no pandering, which it had but it did not became popular because of it and never would have if it's all it had, was going to include earlier decades in but it wasn't really popular at the time, not till the 80's did people start appreciating older animes, simply because they were not available before then.
Yes it's a shame about Satoshi Kon, the industry needs people like him.

>>86000766
The actual crew would never have their characters make such complex movements.

>>86009782
70s = Scooby Doo knock offs
80s = 22+ minute toy adds.

90s had loads variety thanks to Nick and why bring up Alex Lovy when Shamus Culhane & especially Dick Lundy are MUCH better directors.

Also Seymour Kneitel and Willard Bowsky will like to have a word with you.

>>86009860
NO! We need better then (the) Alex Lovy (of the east).

At least Dick Lundy quality.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFxQme3YcUo

>>86009797
Tell me then what great 90s was for anime?

>>86009838
Dude i was talking about anime not western cartoons.

>>86009797
For Americans, anime is toonami and fox kid. He literally believe the 90's only had sailormoon and dbz. Along the idea stuff like pokemon was american

>>86009951
Satoshi Kon is the Alex Lovy of the east.

I do like Lovy's work alot but Culhane & Lundy were better director.

>>86009954
But i am finnish and i know 90s anime wasnt just DBZ or sailor moon.

>>85997166
Wait a god damn second, they made an anime of this shit?!

>>85996797
Gumball because i wanna fuck anime nicole i also wanna fuck normal nicole

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>>86010839
Yeah and it is pretty good but not my favorite show from this season that goes to Amanchu

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>>85997166
>Claims Insulting to anime
>Posts insult to anime

You can do it better, baka

>>85996861
Is Rebecca a control freak? Who the fuck hires a guest animator and forces them to use her style? In AT guest episodes was seeing their vision was half the fun.
> sucrose spent all her money on Nicki Minaj and couldn't afford a proper anime episode

>>86006403
> don't think that brief action scene in SU is by Hori since he was given control over timing his animation and it's too smooth to be his work
I think so too, It might be Jeff but so far he hasn't come forward to correct the listing in Sakugabooru.

>>86006211
I was expecting more out of his animation for the episode too, I thought it's gonna be some kind of awesome camera bending action scene. What we got was nice too though. It looks like something that took him maybe one day or two (Animators there can be really fast) I think it was a small low paid job for him, or maybe he even did it pro bono as a favor.

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>>85997810
Nice to see that Rock Bottom cleaned up.

>>85999594
They didn't animate it. A Japanese animator who works for Studio Trigger was a guest storyboarder/animator on this episode.

>>85997810
Even as much i still like modern anime i do miss hand drawn backgrounds.

>>86007176
>No it wasn't, the colors were different, the backgrounds were different, the background gems were different
>It's not different except for all these differences
It was a clear, visual tell that it's not a literal showing of events.

And that video shows a lot of not standing still, so you're still wrong on that.

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>>86011111
Would you also fuck a baby NIcole?

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>>86015221
Get out

>>85996797
Didn't Mike Inel already do an anime version of the Wattersons?

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>MFW Harvey Beaks doing "anime" was just an episode confirming that Claire is a dirty manga loving fujoshi

>>86004133
(You)

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>>86002448

>>86016360
That was great

>>86016360
That was so horrendously offence that it made All This And Rabbit Stew look like modern day progressing.

If Nick cared they would of used Mir or a actulal Japanese studio.
>>86016678
No it was not, it was a insult to otaku.

>>86017033
>that was insult to otaku
And that is even greater. Fuck those otakus they have shit taste

>>86017064
No it is not, what part of making All This And Rabbit Stew look like modern day progressing don't you understand?

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>>86011945
I don't even know how can people hate this show. And here I thought it would click well in here because it's a webcomic adaptation that doesn't use generic anime artstyle.

>>86017193
It is same thing in /a/. Some love it some hate it but then again that goes with everything in /a/

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>>85997770
Where were you when david animation saved animu?

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>>85997758
>>85997810
>In my day you had to wallclimb for 15 miles to get to school and I still managed to get perfect attendance.

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>>86016360
That was fucking glorious

>>86017033
>>86017101
>waaahh they made fun of my Chinese cartoons
I like anime too but it was still ok. Go cry more you filthy weeb

>>86018159
https://youtu.be/X_C4_wNTs3I

David Productions didn't animate that episode unfortunately. Luckily DP came back next episode and KQ looks glorious

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>>86018159
They did not, you're thinking of Comix Films.
>>86018318
It was not, if Nick cared they would of used Mir like that Turtles short they did.

>>85997166
I finally figured out what the problem with SU's fighting sequences is: they are too clean. They are not rough or intense; the lack of the realist messiness of a fight makes them feel almost artificial and, well, too choreographed.
The only fight in SU that was messy and had a mostly "natural" choreography was the Pearl vs Amethyst fight way back in season one. "On the Run" was the episode, I think.

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>>86018427
It's a children's cartoon, the creator is weeabo himself making multiple references to DBZ, Katamari, kamen rider, etc. I'm pretty sure he wanted to emulate anime his way just for fun and not outsource it a JP studio while still keeping the style of the show itself
Cry more

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>>86018159
>>86018427
That is wierd way to spell Lupin

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>>86009598
Oh come the fuck on now, I seriously hope this is bait because Sugar can't even come up with an original plot, being the huge fucking weeboo she is.
Like, I get that there are some references that fans could catch on and understand (like that obscure pokemon golf game Steven was playing), but when you take an important detail or something plot heavy from another franchise and add it to to your own creation that's just blatant ripping.
I mean hooooly shit, Rose Quartz and Pearl's relationship is basically a watered down version of Madoka/Homura, Lapis Lazuli is a fucking clone of >>86009444
And don't even get me fucking started on the Junjo Ito """""homage""""" (pic related) as you fuckers call it, when really Steven Universe is just one big fucking "originul donut steel!1!! xDD" fanfiction straight from DeviantART.
I admit, I like Steven Universe, its a good show, but goddamn its so fucking annoying to see that Sugar shows herself to be unoriginal as fuck.

>>86018683
>kamen rider
Wait what? When did that happen?

>>86018683
No, it was a insult, if they cared they would of used Mir.

>>86018830
When Blue Jacket was great it felt that something was missing, just like 7D.

I hope the A crew don't retire on this to only have Telecom do nothing but fujo garbage and bad video game adaptions no one asked for because everyone who made Telecom special used Blue Jacket as a final farewell just to retire.

Please don't die on Blue Jacket, we deserved better then this after the worthless magic make over show we suffered through just to get Blue Jacket FUNDED!

>>86018874
I wouldn't say straight up kamen rider but it was toku as fuck. I messaged greenblatt about it and he said it was it was influenced by his raging boner for toku.

Seen in the nature of nature episode
https://youtu.be/mdu5NGVTfCU

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>>86018891
>No, it was a insult, if they cared they would of used Mir

No one in Nick is justified to use Mir. get your filthy love boner for that shit out of here

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>>86009444

According to SU fans, this comic would be references.

>>86004225
>mob psycho 100
>shonen
Yeah no.

>>86019132
Dude, I hate Mir, not for the quality as the staff do have drawing talent but I hate them for running a monopoly over quality where Mir tries (badly I might add) the others in South Korea have to suffer for no reason rather then catching up to Mir which they should.

Mir did the good animated episodes of Korra, that why I bought them up.

>>86018987
I hope there is gonna be season 2 of Blue jacket but then again it didnt sell that much thanks to japs and their shit taste.

>>86019506
According to Yuichiro Yano Blue Jacket was never designed to sell discs but rather to be made off of reruns.

Also if Blue Jacket were to get a 2nd season Kazuhide Tomonaga's roll in season 1 would of been replaced by Yuichiro Yano when Hisao Yokobori was going to do the same for Yano's roll in season 1, that much is known.

>>86016481
Kill la Kill did get pretty bad during the second half though. It had excellent promise, but it completely fell apart after a while.

>>86019388
>mob psycho 100
it's literally about a middle schooler with psychic powers

>>86019672
Wait they rerun anime in japan?

>>86020374
Sometimes for a few select shows.

Also the show airs in Italy as well.

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>This is modern anime

>>86020729
>Tako is like "Please kill me".
>When Nate uses him as a flesh light to avoid knocking up Katie.

>>86020314
Shonen is a demographic, the target audience. It has nothing to do with the actual content.
But yeah, you're correct. Mob100 is shonen.

>>86012864

Because a good animator it's supposed to stay in-model.

Gumball looks different because it was sent over to Studio 4C, it was made by several animators and they were free to make the animation they wanted. Takafumi Hori was invited to work with the team, therefore it was better (and easier for everyone involved including him) to work with the show style.

>>86020864
Reminder that only wimps and communists stay on model, the thing to do is to stay on design as being off design is a bad thing.

>>86001930
>>86005783
there's an episode literally titled "kikis (pizza) delivery service" (which otherwise has nothing at all in common with the anime). i think the crew are just disgusting weebs.

>>86021066
Kiki was based on a book so Ghibli can't sue.

Kiki even got a live action movie a few years ago.

We need people bringing up Fleischer, Warners, Metro and Lantz gold (as Disney will sue), not anime trite.

Was there ever a real point in splitting up Anime and Western animation? Most of the OG Anime mangaka acknowlege being influenced by western cartoons anyway.