>No Bodyguards >Always wandering anywhere with her sister

>>85959044
if anyone attacks her she can freeze them to death.

>>85959044
why would she need bodyguards? she's a literal force of nature.

>>85959044
maybe it's a small kingdom, there could be hundred of small kingdoms around.

>>85959044
they should cover their heads with hijabs

>>85959044
Did you see the size of her Kingdom? It's a city-state at best, whose main export is ice. There was no one running the country before Elsa was of age, because every citizen knew each other by name, so bureaucracy wasn't really needed.

>>85959044
She's a stuck up recluse. They show in the movie that even her sister won't talk to any of the staff. Anya's whole intro song is about how she's a prissy bitch that only wants to speak to other high class people. Her staff isn't elite enough to quantify as human interaction.

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>>85959081
>>85959104

This is Arendelle

Is even way smaller than The Witcher 3's Novigrad.

So yeah, maybe she was a queen for that place only.

>>85959044
Why would somebody with godlike power need bodyguards? If she ever needs one she can just make another big ass snow golem.

>>85959142
Looks comfy, but I bet it'd get really boring after a while. Would visit family during Christmas/10

>>85959044
>dat jiggle

>>85959155

>Godlike power
>Easily rekked by Hans & his bodyguards

>>85959155
I hope that in frozen two there are some snow golem servants or something along those lines. It would just be a waste not to make such things.

She sure does seem to have a lot of time to play tag with Anna, plan a birthday party for Anna, go on picnics with Anna, go ice skating with Anna, and hang with NotFlame Princess. I sincerely hope she does all that queen shit offscreen.

>>85959116
She's also a corrupt dictator. She enacts a trade embargo on an entire populous due to one unruly duke. Their biggest trade partner. Lower class citizens will starve.

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>>85959229

In the official books, Elsa working as a Queen for 3 days per week.

Pic related.

>>85959275
3 days? Bitch needs to work harder.

>>85959275
which bolts need that wrench?

>>85959327
probably the ones holding that pump together

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>>85959322

What work ?

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>>85959345

>>85959341
Do you know how bolts or wrenches work?

Size matters...

Because it's a cartoon character for a child audience and they don't think or comprehend why any of that isn't a good idea. Children don't care about politics, assassinations attempts, or what the bad guys think of the protagonist's costume.

It's a cartoon and it only has to make as much sense as what a seven year old might buy. Anyone who knows better should clearly move on and invest in more mature materials if the theme causes irritation.

>>85959379
I'm an engineer

Expecting art to adher precisely to wrench and bolt sizes is for college students who should be studying

>>85959362
Bet these fucking aristos made her clean all of that up, too. REVOLUTION WHEN.

>>85959390
No, all children's shows and movies should be exhaustively researched, well developed, and internally consistent. Think of the children, the incredibly autistic children.

>>85959044
Dude, she can create life in seconds, she basically has an army of ice golems at her fingertips whenever she wants.

>>85959188
She doesn't have to make just one, anon.

>>85959362
How elitist. That simple maid's work meant nothing to them.

>>85959416
>Dude, she can create life in seconds

Just about any woman can do that. It just takes about 9 months for it to come out.

>>85959404
I'm sure you are.

>head pat

>>85959452
>maid

That's a cook, you bourgeois fuck.

>>85959104
Yeaah im almost completly sure it lacks a regent because they would have mentioned him.

Then again that film went through a lot of rewrites.

>>85959473
Nothing flew over your head!

>>85959512
I'd certainly catch it if it did.

>>85959044
lets snort blow. lets snort blooooww

>>85959467
do you know how the gestation process works

>>85959044
she has to make sure there are no witnesses when she rapes her victims

>>85959470
Go study

>>85959536
Anon, he's talking about sex taking seconds, it's cruel to point out his other failings at this point.

>>85959551
;-;

>>85959552
How many years did you have to study engineering to figure out it takes a proper size wrench to secure aptly sized bolts?

>>85959639
less than the amount of years it'll take you to get over consciously measuring wrench and bolt sizes in a children's cartoon drawing

You going to get mad about how the houses are too small for people to live in too, even accounting for perspective?

go study instead of shitposting, improve the quality of your life so that this is not the only entertainment you have

>>85959689
Why are you projecting?

Calm down.

>>85959703
I don't know, anon, why do you spend your time shitposting about cartoons?

>>85959730
I guess it makes me feel better knowing there are people that blindly defend them. Good night!

no one is asking about the hammer?

>>85959044
Now that you mention it, Anna would be perfect to get raped when Elsa isn't around...

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I want to see Eksa doing queenly things like writting edicts and having audiences.

>>85959767
No one questions it when the queen wants to carry about a wooden mallet.

>>85959768
Yeah, and she doesn't do anything about it because she's confused and it just becomes a normal part of her routine...

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>>85959793
what about a big black maul?

>>85959044

Why her tits are so fuckable despite being small ?

>>85959950
They're average size

Stop watching porn

>>85959950
best question here

>>85959060
An arrow would still end her, tie a bag over her hands and shes done.

>>85959142

Jesus. She's maybe got 500 subjects at most. Not much of a queen and all we've seen her nation produce is ice. Her people must be poor as shit. I don't think I would have been so quick to cut off trade with Weselton. I have a feeling they came out of it better.

>>85960185
snow dogs. snow dumplings. snowrolls. snowcones. she fed her people well.

>>85960244

Well at least now we know where all the waterfags from /v/'s gamer fuel threads came from.

>>85960263
what?

it was in a pokemon episode

I really need to see these zootopia comics announced at SDCC

>>85959081

Norway is small but not that small.

>>85959104

I never thought that town was her entire kingdom. I always thought it was just one area of her larger country.

>>85960531
Indeed.

You mean to tell me she would hike up a mountain range and build her Ice Fortress on foreign soil? Because that was what she was doing if the castle town was Arrendell's only settlement. No way a place of that size could project power that far away alone

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>>85959044

Her blue dress is so fucking tight that shes looks like naked when walking.

Based Disney's last minute changes. Turning villain into a whore

>>85960833
Based Disney for making 2 of the hottest animated characters. You can probably make a river with all the cum people shot due to pictures of them

>>85960833

She was hot even when she was a sympathetic villain. Did you see her original coronation dress? A-mazing.

>>85960902
Elsa & who?

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>>85959081
Doesn't look that small. At least not compared to the Isles. And I doubt both kingdoms have only one city, it's just that no where else is actually that important to the story.
Though to be fair, the map could just be very stylized.

>>85961363
Anna

>>85959142
I doubt it's the entire kingdom, just the area around the castle and main port maybe.

But Oaken's shop and the North mountain at least are part of it. It might be Luxembourg-sized or such

>>85961395
They spelled "Nordsjoen" wrong

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>>85959950
Small?! She has a D-cup at least, maybe an E, that's an insane tit-to-waist circumference ratio

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>>85961395
>posting the version where the illustrator signature has been erased

Rude and poor form desu, I spent hours on redrawing that shit from the turd-quality mobile phone fan recording. If you want to use the no-signature version, screencap it from the short itself

>>85961529
It's Nordsoen in Danish

>>85961637
Nordsoen, with the diagonally slashed version of ö which 4chan apparently doesn't know how to show

>>85960706
Your forgetting this movie went through many rewrites things are going to slip through cracks.

>>85960706
Well i have said that i want frozen 2 to be a war film and people angry that she invaded them is the perfect catalyst.

>>85961637
Sorry about that. I just quickly grabbed the first image that came up in Google.

>>85961601
D certainly, not E. That's just from my own prior experience.

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>>85961395
Anyhow here's a screencap of the map as it actually is in canon from FF.

Use that and kindly delete the version of my pic where the signature has been photoshopped out and stop spreading that around, that shit's rude as fuck. I can understand wanting a "neutral" version of the map but that's not the way to go about it.

>>85961395
Does anybody recognise any landmases on that map we could use to work out the scale.

>>85961637

This map needs to be shown more. Every fanfic writer writes Arendelle as a city-state when it's obviously a huge country. I never once thought that town was literally Arendelle. It's probably just the capital.

>>85959275
>>85959345
>>85959362
maybe Hans should've been king...

>>85961837
What, it's being spread around in google as a signature-erased version?
Damn. Well sorry for getting snappy with you, then.

Remember to never contribute anything even remotely related to lore to a fandom, kids, people will apparently treat it like official content and will even put in effort to remove credit. Huh.

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>>85961878
Yes, I worked on that too. It's a modified version of Norway + Denmark with "Arendelle" even being placed close to "Arendal". There's just a peninsula missing, so obviously it takes place in Disneyverse and not IRL Europe

>>85959345
That first panel makes it seem like she is masturbating in public

>>85959044
#giveelsaaboyfriend

triggers sjws to the core

>>85959362
I like this page catching up on lost childhood.

And if this sort of stuff were to take off maybe kids will start reading comics again.

>>85960833
it would've been hotter if she was the villain though

>>85959044
>>85962085
This
#giveelsaaboyfriend

Come on everybody.

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>>85962112
#ElsashouldmarryHans

How does Elsa stack up to original Ice queen?

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>>85962174
>>85962112
>>85962085
Disney seems to be on board with that

Just imagine if Frozen 2 features a redemption arc for Hans with strongly implied first stirrings of romantic interest between them in the end. Not perhaps a full-blown romance but definitely strong enough to clearly indicate they'll be a pair in Frozen 3, or maybe even a kiss or a hug.

Imagine all that sweet SJW rage. Imagine the angry rants.

Imagine it especially when it turns out kids and wider audiences love the shit out of straight Elsa and it turns out making Elsa 100% canon straight was an excellent business and marketing move and even most of the media is just singing praises of the Frozen franchise juggernaut instead of expressing distaste and outrage on a Disney princess musical not pushing lesbian love like they'd have hoped.

>>85962297
agreed

>>85959044
I find it funny how people on Tumblr are against incest unless it's gay incest for some fucking reason.

>>85962646
Tumblr has 300+ million accounts though, when you say "people on tumblr" it's like saying "citizens of the USA"

>>85962646
If it were up to Tumblr, heterosexuality would be outlawed all together...

>>85962782
Luckily a faggot like you would be left untouched.

>>85962297
Even as somebody who thought suicide squad was a bad movie (only bad though not the shitshow some are making it out to be) im loving the way people are trying to claim its a flop this would be even better then that.

>>85962779
Pfft, only a fat, loud minority of tumblr is composed of SJWs

>>85959467
>Any woman can create life in seconds, it just takes them nine months

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>>85962297
Hans/Elsa triggers me everytime. If only because I genuinely like Hans/Anna and it could work if all the lying and attempted manslaughter didn't happen.

>>85965711
>my X/Y ship could work if X was a completely different character

C'mon dude.

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>>85965711
>>85965836
Hans did nothing wrong.

>>85963175
>im loving the way

>>85962110

But its gonna be easily forgettable.

>>85959179

>dat everything

>>85968515
>But its gonna be easily

>>85962292
The Ice Queen was an antagonist full and through, dreaded as the villain. She was pretty much all-powerful throughout the story, butin the end sort of disappeared anticlimactically after the heroine made the boy remember her and renounce the Ice Queen's magic.

>>85965711
>The Trolls Did It Theory

But, yeah, Hans's whole evil shtick was illogical, especially when a real monarchy would require him to actually marry Anna as the queen to achieve any status in this kingdom, where he is a foreigner. Killing Elsa was in his interests, gloating before Anna wasn't.

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>>85962088

... And make them into incestious gay kids.

>>85962028

So Elsa was truly the queen for that place only (Arendelle) then and not the whole country.

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>>85962646
jesus christ, gay incest.

Disney...what have you done.....

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>>85961862
D Cups, enough for me

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>>85965711
>Hans/Elsa triggers me everytime.

>>85972263
Is this a porn parody?
S-sauce?

>>85973164
Reverse google search bro.
It's not

>>85972105
They knew it will happen.

>>85959116
>Anya

Who?

Because for all of Frozen's "realism" and progressivism, they completely streamlined or outright ignored everything about how monarchy's work.

>>85976943
As is practically all other Disney Princess films aren't guilty of that too!

But I guess Frozen is the most damning for glossing over the succession process.

>>85961863

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>>85962297
I love Helsa, but I just don't see the ship becoming canon.

>>85976943
Just like you ignored that "monarchy" is pluralized as "monarchies."

>>85977537
It might but they might just like keeping their empowerment bucks. It seems more likely they redeem Hans, period, though.

>>85977594
Touche

>>85977537
"loss" version of this when?

>>85959044

Truly she is Built for Rule34

>>85960120
You don't know that. If her ability is bonded to her soul, she could persist as an ice revenant.

>>85973107
Did you even read the rest of anons post

>>85971656
Jesus fuck they saw the reaction to there eyes in the merchandise and just fucking ran with it didn't they.

>>85977537
>>85977642
Give it time. Hans has to redeem himself before Elsa reciprocates her feelings.

And Elsa can remain a symbol of independence & power in a relationship. It wouldn't be hard to imagine Elsa having a more dominant role as a queen.

Plus, if Elsa marries Hans, she may also be considered a princess to the Southern Isles's line of inheritance.

>>85962646
>disney makes elsa a homosexual
>movie comes
>what the fuck she was meant to be with anna this gave me ptsd

>>85981684
Now i want frozen 2 to be a war film even more then i already did.

>>85959044
it's a tiny-ass kingdom

redneck tier royalty

>>85962297

Who the fuck that is sane would even see her as a lesbian. I dont' browse /co/ anymore and came here on stumbling through the front page. The only way she would be a lesbian with any modicum of predictability is if she was with Anna and that would be the most disgusting and unbelievable thing for a mainstream corporation to ever do. It'd never happen, not in a million years.

Not to mention god forbid such a thing as platonic love exist. Nah, olaf had it wrong, love isn't putting someone else's needs before yours. It's putting their orgasm before yours.

>>85982217
Almost all the desire for her to be gay is from the incest shippers.
To be fair a lot of the merchandise does give off some really incestual vibes nothing on the level as that one Amy Mebberson but still pretty fucking heavy

>>85959480
>John: So, coming off of that we have the grown up characters, it’s going to be the coronation of Elsa. She is going to become the queen of this place. I’m sure there was talk at a certain point like who the hell was running the kingdom in all this time. There was some sort of regent —
>Jennifer: Ha! We did have a regent. We had him. He turned into, and I love it because I wrote a character and I wrote it for what’s his name, Louis C.K. I wanted him so badly in the film. I just wanted him in the film. But the first act is so heavy, it’s still heavy. There’s so much in it.

>>85982142
See >>85961637
and >>85961863

Arendelle is not a tiny city state.

>>85982685

Empty mountains & one small town.

>>85982465
Dam thats a shame to hear.

>>85982465
>using Louis C K for a cuck joke
Damn, I wish they'd left that in.

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>>85965711
But lying is the only reason Hans/Anna appeared to work.
It's somewhat clear Hans doesn't much care for Anna's personality; when they meet at the docks, he seems genuinely attracted to her so he finds her cute, but the longer he spends in her company during the party and LIAOD, the more forced and fake his smiles become. He doesn't like crazy, at all, and can't stand Anna's whimsical recklessness. By the time they're announcing the engagement to Elsa he's struggling to keep smiling.

>>85971266
>especially when a real monarchy would require him to actually marry Anna as the queen to achieve any status in this kingdom, where he is a foreigner
Well, no. The nobility (we never see any Arendelle nobility aside from Anna & Elsa even though they 100% would have been present at Hans' council, guarding their interests, so it can be assumed that the assorted dignitaries sort of represent the nobility as a whole, both foreign and local) told him to his face that he is Arendelle's future now, and when he was planning to mount another search & rescue mission for Anna they directly told him to leave her to die in the wilderness and assume power directly; "If anything happens to the princess, YOU are all Arendelle has left", and later "Arendelle looks to you now".
Also Arendelle's own military supports him over the royal sisters; they accept his authority and go with him to execute the Queen, and Hans mentions in the dungeon scene that he "couldn't just let them kill you" which might very well imply that the militiamen were so afraid of Elsa after she'd sent her ice monster to attack them they wanted to kill her already there.

So it'd be a clean coup. He'd have a legit right to the throne, because the military and nobility would support his claim.

There's an IRL precedent; In Sweden in the 1800s the nobility and military got fed up with the king being incompetent, (he lost a war and half the landmass (now Finland) with it to Russia) and they simply locked the royal family up and had a meeting where they elected a new king they offered the throne to. The first one was too senile, the other - a Danish prince, like Hans - accepted but died accidentally before being crowned, and the third one, a Frenchman related to Napoleon through empress Josephine, took the throne and his family line, house Bernadotte, is the current Swedish royal family.

Hans would have the legit status of king, because the most influential subjects would accept him as their king.

>>85984611
In that scene not only is Hans struggling to maintain eye contact & smile at Anna, he is rubbernecking to Elsa. Notice how he pretty much turns his torso to face Elsa before Anna interrupts.

>>85984697
>Also Arendelle's own military supports him over the royal sisters; they accept his authority and go with him to execute the Queen, and Hans mentions in the dungeon scene that he "couldn't just let them kill you" which might very well imply that the militiamen were so afraid of Elsa after she'd sent her ice monster to attack them they wanted to kill her already there.

Doesn't that sort of contradict Hans's goal by keeping Elsa alive? And kind of nixxed by his later regicide attempt?

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>>85985181
Well it definitely goes against the idea of "Hans always wanted to kill Elsa", because it would have been very practical for him to let Elsa take an arrow to the back from the Weselton thug. His hands would have been clean, oh no nothing could be done, the queen went crazy and attacked her own soldiers with the ice golem. But instead, he saves Elsa - first from herself by snapping her out of her rage and calming her down so she doesn't become a murderer (notably, Anna in a similar scene fails to talk Elsa out of her panic and only aggravates her), second from the arrow shot assassination, and third, possibly, from her own men wanting to kill her while she's unconscious before she'll try to kill them all again.

It's interesting that he chose to bring Elsa back to Arendelle, chained but unharmed, even covered with a blanket, and attempted to politely plead with her first. He also looked shocked and sad when he realised that if Elsa can't thaw the winter herself the only option left to save the kingdom is to kill her. It really looks like he was trying to keep her alive while dethroning her, but changes his mind when Elsa turns out to be unable to control her powers, and especially when Anna shows up claiming that Elsa struck her with her powers, cursing her to death, saying she was wrong when she said Elsa would never hurt her, and completely omitting that Elsa cursed her to death accidentally, not intentionally.


But that's sort of contradicted by Hans boasting that he planned to arrange "an accident" for Elsa. Shit writing, somewhat inconsistent. I think they were writing Hans to be a different, more grey character, but then for some reason someone insisted that the movie needs an evil villain, so they had to amp up the hamfisted mustache-twirling in the monologue so that it'd be crystal clear that he's the bad guy, a real jerk, and the audience would know what to feel and who to root for.

>>85959179
Ice is not conducive to making bras, it seems.

>>85982465
I would pay money to be able to see all this movies old scripts.

>>85985582
>all this movies old scripts

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>>85985582
I really want to see how Olaf was in the version where Elsa was still evil, if one of the first notes Jen Lee wrote to herself after having been brought over to the project was "kill the f-ing snowman"

>>85985582
Most of them would be crap.

>>85985384
Hans doesn't want to rule over a frozen wasteland, he brings back Elsa because he doesn't know if killing her will actually stop the winter. It's better if he can get her to end it herself, but she says she doesn't know how, which leads him to try killing her as a last option.

It's really not inconsistent at all, Hans planned on making "an accident " for Elsa BEFORE finding out about her magic. His plan, because he had no chance of marrying her, was to marry her sister and get just her out of the way. Then magic winter comes and fucks that all up.

>>85985582
I wouldn't, honestly. Hans was kind of a dim witted idiot in the older scripts, who ended up trying to kill Elsa anyway.

Smarter, manipulative asshole Hans is better.

>>85987811
Not to mention, Hans still didn't know at that point if Anna was alive or not. And it was after he returned with Elsa when people started openly saying that he is the only one left to rule if Anna disappears.

He was supposed to return with the queen, who despite everything was still beloved by her people, not as a failure who watched the queen die.

>>85987811
>he didn't know if killing would stop tue blizzard.
Why wouldn't it? Seems like a pretty logical solution to me.

>>85988789
It could be surmised that Elsa both caused the winter & cannot/would not lift it.

>>85962085
>#giveelsaaboyfriend
We still agree in give her the most dude bruh boyfriend right /co/?

>>85971802
Kingdoms dont really have to be that large.
Denmark for example was divided into 4 or 5 kingdoms and numerous jarldoms until it was unified.
A kingdom does not have to be an entire "country"

>>85990523
So, like, who do you have in mind?

>>85991375
Would have to be OC, there no character Bru enough.

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>>85990523

>>85988460
At the point the nobles didn't see her as their queen and were fully ready to give the crown to Hans.

>>85991682
Hans would qualify. Former villain power couple, yeah! He'd be snarky af

>>85992085
Well the SJW would be more than pissed so i guess it works

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>>85992085
I really hope it'll be Hans. Redeeem juuuuust enough to be passable as a romantic interest, but still a condescending snarky douche.
It'd be interesting and fresh for Disney, too, they haven't had any redeemed villains as love interests before. Just think of the power couple they'd make, his smug ruthless manipulation & people / political skills would balance out Elsa's godlike powers and social inexperience nicely.

>>85992221
It's a Disney film, so if they redeem a villian he's going to be a goofy shit

>>85992405
How so? The only villains ever redeemed in WDAS films were goofy in the first place.

>>85959142
She's not a Queen, she's just a Baroness. Unless that's just her seat and she also has many other neighboring fiefs loyal to her.

>>85992221
Elsa is suppose to be about women empowerment do you really think they'r going to give her a boyfriend that use to be a villian, that used her sister? if they ever give him a boyfriend is going to be either a bland prince that dosen't do anything like the guy from Maleficent or a beta that she saves.

>>85993878
Like everyone's a beta to Elsa.

Because it's a fantasy that women can walk around without being harassed by men

>>85993878
Why can't he just be comic relief instead?

Like he thinks Elsa is in trouble and he goes dashing to save her and then she's like "No I'm okay I finished them off with my ice powers" and then he drops his spaghetti and is like "O-oh me t-too"

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This movie came out like 3 fucking years ago. Why the hell are you faggots still discussing it when there's literally nothing left to discuss?

>>85962297
Making her gay would be a horrible move

People "accept" gays now, that doesn't mean they want to have gays on screen taking up heroic spots

>>85962779
>>85963568
>over a hundred million people visit 4chan each year, only a loud minority is /pol/

Yet /pol/ has become so influential that the media is now referencing them as being one of the major gatherings for the dark conspiracy known as the alt right

Saying that there are "only" a few million SJWs out of several hundred million is stupid, if /pol/ can shitpost their way to greatness then clearly so can tumblr

>>85959142
You know how easy is for enemy lines to penetrate that shitty fortress? The castle is even at the very front. baka
unrealistic/10

>>85994312
wtf?
baka
s m h -> baka

>>85990835
>Denmark for example was divided into 4 or 5 kingdoms and numerous jarldoms until it was unified.

Runestones from that era have mostly been lost though, so we don't know much about it

>>85959142
That's not the kingdom, it's just the capital city.

>>85994142
>Why can't he just be comic relief instead?
This could work in a Disney film, the feminist wouldn't bitch about this because he's not stealing the hero spot from Elsa and it's been common in the recent years for the comic relief to win the girl

>>85994243
Anon do you realice that sometimes this boards discuss movies and shows that ended like 20 years ago right?

>>85992405
If they want him to become the romantic interest he won't be redeemed in a goofy way. Besides Disney's never redeemed a proper villain before, it'd be interesting

>>85971193
Why couldn't Disney do this? Why can't a villain be a unredeemable cunt?

>>85994142
>>85994599
>#giveelsaabeta

So in the second film, are they going to have Elsa marry the Sun king? A tale of fire and ice?

>>85994693
Really Disney has never redeemed a villian?, for some reason i thought they did it one time?

>>85994693
>>85995370
Iago turned good in Return of Jafar, if that counts.

>>85995799
Well he becomes a comic relief character so i guess it not a good example, maybe that Hans fate be redeem and end up as comic relief

>>85995370
The only villain off the top of my head that has been "redeemed" is Bowler Hat Guy/Goob.

>>85994935
I was suggesting that he would be an alpha, just an alpha whose heroism would be unneeded because Elsa is strong enough with her magic ice powers to take care of herself

>>85996146
But anon the feminist wouldn't like Elsa having a traditional man as his relationship partner. But talking seriously anon i like this idea in the sense that imagine this character that thinks he needs to be the traditional knight and save the princess, but sudenly the princess can save herself so the guy is the whole movie thinking what the fuck im suppose to do with my life

>>85959044
she's a mentally retarded slut

>>85995799
>>85995891
Iago was always a comic relief character, so they just kept his character and role in the narrative similar, just switching sides.

So going by that, Hans, who was definitely not comical but was used to be the butt of 1 joke in FF, could well be redeemed to be only slightly silly at times (like all the characters are) but mostly stay his snarky self

>>85998180
We're not talking about Anna here.

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>>85998261
it's funny because it's TRUE!

>>85998180
Anon she didn't interact with no one the majority of her life, she's probably a virgin with low social skills

>>85990835

So, Elsa is only a Jarl ?

>>85994243

By that logic /lit/ has nothing to discuss and /vr/ doesn't exist. Most films and caetoons we discuss ended years ago.

>>85992221

Helsa shippers are even worse than Jelsa fans. He tried to kill her sister, tried to kill her, and manipulated both of them. He's lucky he wasn't killed for everything he did.

>>85976943

No one wants realistic politics in their royalty stories.

>>85962085

Keep Elsa single. It's the safest bet. Marielsa, Jelsa, Helsa, Elsanna, gay!Elsa, straight!Elsa and asexual!Elsa fans won't mind as it doesn't ivalidate their headcanons. People who don't care will think it's progressive for a Disney princess to have no love interest.

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I mean honestly, I think they'll bring Hans back and redeem him somewhat. Santino Fontana mentioned in an interview that he'd been talking to the animators, already before the sequel was confirmed, and apparently the WDAS people told him that they have an idea, they want to bring him back and redeem him. This is also supported by Hans and also the map showing the location of the Southern Isles having been included in the FF short - why put in that worldbuilding bit and then not use it later? There was also one semicanon franchise book telling the events of Frozen from Hans and Anna's POVs, and it apparently confirmed that Hans had canonically a shitty and abusive home situation and generally made him a somewhat sympathetic character. Also there's them including him in the special edition dollset with Elsa - sure they were part of a Heroes and Villains themed edition, but every other princess-villain pair had angry or apprehensive facial expressions in the art and scenes from the movie, whereas the flirtatious looks between Hans and Elsa in the box art don't correspond with anything that happened in the film.

It's a lot of attention to lavish on a character if one wouldn't plan to use them ever again. So I'm guessing that Hans will show up in the sequel, and it's not at all impossible that he'll be redeemed somewhat.

Elsa will develop as a character a lot in the sequel, and a part of that would be thinking of love and romance now that she's no longer afraid of killing people with her presence. But who will the love interest be? Will they cram the inevitable Kristanna romance developments, Hans' redemption, Elsa's character growth and social exploring AND the introduction of a new love interest character in one film? Plus the actual main conflict. Wouldn't it be neater, in a way, to have already-introduced Hans as the love interest? You'd get two pairings out of the 4 main human characters.

>>85996014
Didn't they do it with one of Cinderella's stepsisters? If direct-to-video sequels count that is.

>>85993786
I dont pity the writer who gets the inevitable job of explaining the political situation.

>>85995370

Anatasia in Cinderella 3.
Vitani and most of the Outsiders in TLK2.
Iago in an Aladdin sequel.

>>85964851
I mean it's technically seconds.

>>85998519
I'm still predicting that they just don't have a love interest for Elsa, because they don't need her to have one.

>>85998594
Not WDAS, though.

>>85998730
But... money!

>>85998730
>they don't need her to have one.
But it's boring to just have her stay the same. Tragic, even, because love, romance and romantic partnership are a huge part of people's emotional lives.

Elsa's great tragedy is that she's been deprived of human contact for most of her life and hasn't really experienced physical tenderness, from age 8 or 10 or so she was afraid to even touch her own mother out of fear that she'd kill her with her hug. She's been so lonely, especially after her parents died and she though that for the rest of her life, she can never "let anyone know or see" who she really is.

She's lonely and traumatised and completely out of practice with social skills, she has no other friends or family outside of Anna and as we see from the scene in FF where the first cake topper she creates to show how she feels about Anna shows her mourning over Anna's dead body after she died of Elsa's curse, how everything has to be PERFECT because she feels guilty that Anna's childhood was ruined because of her freak powers, all that - after it all to not have her ever experience romance on her own but to keep sort of living through Anna, Anna's romance, be the aunt to Anna's kids, forever be dependent on Anna for her family connection needs, it'd be tragic and sad.

It would mean that she's still stuck in the solitude, still afraid to let people in. But I think that WDAS wants to let her develop and grow and become free of fear, and find love and intimacy and physical contact and all that.

I don't think that gay elsa supporters are anywhere near a significant enough audience segment for Disney to give a shit about whether or not people's headcanons will get crushed. The most money comes from merch sales anyway, and little kids will eagerly lap up the Wedding Elsa special dollsets. Most of the wider audience probably aren't eager shippers either and will accept anything if it's presented in a touching enough way.

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I love her.

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>>85999316

I want to fuck her.

>>85999207
This.

Most people do not acknowledge how unhealthy, toxic, & incompatible Elsa & Anna are together. They only associate with one-another because they are family & not because they share interests or values. They're co-dependent- Elsa is the sugarsister while Anna is Elsa's familial avatar.

>>85999316
>>85999466
I love her and I want to fuck her.

>>85999466
Please don't talk about her like that.

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>>85971656
Why does Elsa have sinister homolust eyes in the final panel?

>>85999981
Because Elsa is obsessed, she dosen't have more family or friends, so she live entirely for Anna at some point she getting in the middle of Anna and Kristoff is going to annoying for them, Elsa need her own life

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>>85999863

Shes a sex machine, anon.

>>86001524
No. She isn't like that. She deserves better than to be thought of that way.

>>86001627
Of course she does. She's more than a simple sex machine, she's a perfect sex machine who'll never sweat and who can do all kinds of kinky things to you

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>>86001627

She even ask for it.

>>86001671
>>86001704
She doesn't deserve this.

>>85998594
Still not the primary antagonists of each movie.

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>>86001764

Yeah, she deserve this.

>>86001955
Please stop. She isn't that sort of person at all.

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>>86002051

She is anon.

Just accept it that shes a slut.

>>86002051
Anon i agree with you in something, Elsa is been her whole life alone, just have like 4 friend 3 if don't count the deer, she's socially inept and never have any class of romatic experience. With all this combined Elsa is probably going to fall in love with the first fucker who show him some kindness

>>85998519
Also, shouldn't it had been Anna & Hans instead of Elsa & Hans in the doll sets. Anna is undoubtedly the protagonist of the film, so shouldn't she have been paired with Hans to show the interpersonal conflict?

>>86002275
Er, no. Elsa is showered with kindness & respect every day as queen. She needs someone who would understand her on a deeper level.

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>>86002249
Part of me is glad she isn't real. She'd feel very sad if she heard all the mean, hurtful things people said about her. I wish I could protect from all this.

>>86002345
Let's face it anon, she's going to become a slut for the first guy that wants to get romatic with her, that girl selfsteem is in the ground

>>86002400
Do you think she would lurk in 4chan?

>>85998519
Hans becomes the new love interest

for Sven

>>86002404
No, Elsa would be too frightened of hurting any sexual partner. Sex is far more physical & intimate than just hugs. Plus, Elsa would be too paranoid of her own fears that she would be very hesitant to pursue a relationship.

>>86002600

>>86002466

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>>86002600
Nah man, >>86002404 is right.

She's a 21 year old virgin who spent most of her adolescence locked away from anyone close to her age except her sister. She's probably horny as fuck, and eager to get laid.

>Elsa would be too frightened of hurting any sexual partner

That would just be treated as a metaphor for general "first time" anxieties. She'd get over it the instance she realizes how much she loves the dicking.

>Elsa would be too paranoid of her own fears

So she'd be paranoid of her own paranoia? Gonna have to disagree there.

I'll agree with you here that >>86002345

>She needs someone who would understand her on a deeper level.

But that said, she'll probably fall in love with the first guy who shows an interest with her (genuine or not) and THINK it's deeper than it is due to having no prior relationship experience.

Eventually they have sex and at some point break up, ruining Else in the process, and possibly making her into a slut, only concerned with physical pleasures but afraid of letting anyone in on a deeper level for fear of getting hurt.

In other words, she'll be the perfect woman.

So we go from this:
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>>85959081
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>>85961887
>>85962028

To this:
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>>85965711
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>>85992221

And now to this:
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>>85999466
>>85999581
>>85999981
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>>86001955
>>86002249
>>86002400
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>>86002466
>>86002600
>>86003238

Why is it that every Frozen thread starts out with a small amount of actual discussion before degenerating into "lol arendele so tiny", "redeem hans because he's hot" and "elsanna elsanna elsanna something something sluts."

Maybe I'm wrong, but the shippers for this movie seem way more aggressive compared to other fandoms. I haven't seen a single frozen thread that didn't eventually go this way.

>>85959044
1. her guards are skilled enough to stay out of sight but are always following her
2. she's a frost witch she can freeze any attackers solid and make ice walls against things like cannon attacks
3. She's been acting like a princess her whole life, she needs a break, which is what the movie is about

>>85959142
this design is terrible that castle is highly vulnerable to both sea attack and sea winds, not to mention winter storms
It should be higher up on land

>>85994312
The castles in a shitty spot but i imagine with that height they rely largly on bows for defense every citizen probably trains from childhood to use a bow.

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>>86004337

I didnt ship anon. In fact, i hate shippers.

It just my dick is hard as diamonds everytime i see those two.

>>86002466

Fuck off

>>85959044
Her kingdom is like a small town on a small island anon.

>>85959044
Her kingdom is very small. It's based off Norway. Norway is a tiny, depopulated snowhole which spent most of its time being assfucked. She probably has 1 or 2 million subjects, leaving her plenty of time to fuck around. It's like Montenegro at the turn of the 19th. Montenegro only had 200000-300,000 people, so he just sat around greeting and chatting with visitors to Montenegro. It's a small country. Any smaller and you hit microstate territory. Like Zerbst. Zerbst had 20000 people. Its ruler had to work a day job.

>>86004337

Elsanna? Most of the thread is more Anons/Elsa than Anna/Elsa.

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>>85959044
>Queen
>running from peasants

Nigger Wtf she could just execute them herself what's she scared of

>>85959322
Arendelle should be introduced to the wonders of communism

>>86004337
It's that one foreign anon who feels the need to butt in to every single frozen thread, talking about how they don't give a shit about the movie or the story itself but the girls are hot, always spamming the same shit cropped 3d r34 images and going on about their dick in poor English.

Then some waifufaggots are always triggered into replying because of the degrading way the dickanon talks of Elsa.

They're just a sad attention whore, report and ignore.

She's a slut who wants to get raped.

>>86004337
Because the 4chan is a vibrant community full of different opinions
Where else could you get, in one page, a discussion about a fictional town's size and economy turn into how slutty it's Queen is?

>>85999316
Here is the exact post when the thread went to shit. What the fuck is wrong with waifufags, why do they ruin everything they touch

>>85984611

Wow, that's really subtle emoting, especially for a kids film.

Also, I get the impression that if Anna were a real girl she'd be the type of girl that would be pumped and dumped by a lot of guys.

>>86010128
Yeah, I mean Iceland currently has a little over 300 000 inhabitans iirc, and they're considered to be a legit country. Estonia has less than 1,5 million population, I think. The Principality of Andorra currently has 85k inhabitants, and previously Europe had a lot more of that sort of small kingdoms, principalities or duchies - a kingdom or a country doesn't need to be the size of current irl countries which are quite large.

Arendelle could easily be like a province of current Norway, with a capital and some other small towns or villages and a total population of less than a million - it'd still be a legit kingdom. Just not very big or rich, but still.

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>>86011845

Elsa is a slut, Slut !!

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>>86012064
Yeah, I get the feeling the creators wanted to do something different with Hans, like they got exited with the idea of him being a dick all the time and showing it in his facial expression while simultaneously trying to keep it so subtle they wouldn't ruin the twist, so his expressions are actually surprisingly well done, full of subtle loathing.

Also considering how Jen Lee has said she sees Hans as "tragic", I get the impression they were writing a different character who's a bit out of place in a Disney film, since those usually have very clear-cut good guy - evil baddie morals.

But yes, Anna was just asking for trouble, throwing herself on strangers like that while being first-in-line to the throne.

>>86002292
Yeah, but then you would have had two Anna's, first in the hero + villain set and then in the romantic true love sets with Kristoff, and no Elsa.

So they paired the 4 main characters up.

>>86012952
But anon, She's frigid.

>>86004337
I enjoy discussing Hans' potential redemption because it is the discussion of actual character development, not because I love Helsa. (I do, but I can't see it being canon.) Shipping in general is a discussion of character development because humans are driven by emotion more than anything, and LOVE is such a nice, warm, comfy, cuddly, positive emotion. It's perfectly normal to want to see your favorite characters experience that emotion too.

When you can see a girl figure out what love is, or a guy who's whole world view is changed because of his feelings for a girl, it represents a change in the character and how they think and how they interact with people and the world around them.

>>86004337
>"redeem hans because he's hot"
Someone's strawmanning, tsk

>>86002404
No, that was Anna and they both saw where that went.

>>85959044
>there are small town mayors that dress like sluts
PICS

The better question is why even give a fuck. The movie was terrible and the fanbase is even worse.

>>85960120
They encased her hands in iron and only worked until she realized she's powerful enough to break free from that. Also good luck getting to her. A squad of soldiers almost die facing her and only avoided it because she's too nice.

If she ever needs protection she can summon fucking ice golems.

>>86014965
Still doesn't maks sense in context of the film. Elsa & Hans together in opposition like making a heroes & villains set of the Beast & Gaston.

>>85959188
>Easily
Hans had to talk her down on not ice raping all of them.

>>86018012
Bellweather is pretty hot to Welshmen but you don't hear asking for her redemption!

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>>86018586
>and only avoided it because she's too nice.
Nope anon. Elsa sent Marshmallow to attack them and shut the door. The only reason the men didn't die is because Hans is boss and managed to drive Marshmallow into the gorge, almost dying himself in the process. Without him, M might have killed a lot of the men and Elsa wouldn't have even bothered to watch, let alone stop it.

Then when she was fighting the weselton thugs, she was in the process of deliberately killing them both, and only stopped because Hans managed to break through to and reason with her - not because "she's nice".

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>>86018673
Yep, true. It doesn't make sense in the context of the (first) film, but it did make for a nice-looking dollset (that sold out really fast).

>>85959044
Because she was locked in a room for years and craves the D?

>>86018957
She's nice because she listened to reason. She had every right to gut those bastards.

>>86018957
To be fair, those Weselton guards came into her house and tried to kill her. As far as the law in my state goes, she'd be perfectly justified in killing them.

>>86019389
>As far as the law in my state goes, she'd be perfectly justified in killing them.
She's not American though, and the law in Norway or the Nordics doesn't work that way.

Also Marshmallow surprise-attacked them all with the intent to kill before they even had a chance to inquire if anyone's home. There were no "no trespassing" signs or anything either, so she's still in the wrong for endangering the lives of her own citizens just for trying to talk to their queen.

In any case, with her powers she could have easily just contained them with ice, or whatever, but chose to try to slowly push one to his death.

>>86019216
She had no right to try to kill the fiance of her sister and her own loyal soldiers just for trying to talk to her, which is what happened with Marshmallow though

>>86020248
>In any case, with her powers she could have easily just contained them with ice, or whatever, but chose to try to slowly push one to his death.
She was still discovering how her powers work and hours ago was practicing letting them loose. Plus she was being threatened and scared. Only when Hans talked to her she started reconsidering but is understandable she won't be able to use her powers smartly if she's still unused to her limits and is scared for her life.

She almost kills her belived sister by accident, how do you expect she'll react to big armed scary men coming after her neck?

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>>86020248
Well, if you want to discuss semantics of laws, she's the fucking Queen, therefore, she can kill anyone she likes.

But in sheer terms of what is right and just, if someone enters your home with intent to kill you and attempts to kill you, as far as I'm concerned, you have every right to defend yourself with lethal force.

>>86020628
>she's the fucking Queen, therefore, she can kill anyone she likes.
It doesn't work like that, anon. A Queen doesn't own the land or the people. They rule because the nobility and military think they're fit for the job.

>if someone enters your home with intent to kill you and attempts to kill you
But the problem is that Elsa tried to kill
a) her future brother-in-law and
b) her own loyal subjects
before they'd entered anything or before anyone had tried to kill anyone. They were just inquiring after Anna, but Marsmallow ambushed them before they even got within shouting distance. That's not "defending yourself", it's the equivalent of sending trained attack dogs at people who stand on the sidewalk close to your house.

>>86020397
>She was still discovering how her powers work
She seemed to control them quite nicely in that scene, though. And still, it's quite noteworthy that she sees Marshmallow attack her sister's fiance and a bunch of her own soldiers - and just shuts the door instead of even trying to tell Marshmallow to wait to hear what they want, or tell him to let them leave in peace.

I know the movie portrays her as the deuteragonist but come on, she fucks up pretty badly at times, too.

>>86020819
Marshmallow was harsh but should gey the message across that they aren't welcomed yet they ventured to force their entrance.

We know all of this suits Hans's endgame but if that wasn't the case the smar thing would be to send a message to Elsa. Something to let her now there's important stuff that needs to be talked.

Charging at her with muscle men is retarded. But again it was very convenient for Hans to have all those misunderstansings.

>>85962085

No, tbqh, I'd rather her be permanently single. I can get behind asexual Elsa more than anything. I like the idea of her being an Elizabeth-esque single queen. In the books she isn't interested in romance and in the early cut song "We Know Better" (which dates back to her as villain) this is made clear, likely to show how aloof she is and how she isn't a normal princess.

>Anna: They say a princess will one day meet her prince. She must enhance her beauty
>Elsa: And maybe try some mints
>Anna: They say he'll have royal blood in each and every vein. With royal brow and chiseled chin
>Elsa: And microscopic brain
>Anna: They say he'll come around one day
>Elsa: With royal inbred DNA
>Anna: And change your life in every way
>Elsa: But you and me... We know better...

>>86021903
>>Elsa: With royal inbred DNA
what?

>>86021903
Yeah I googled the lyrics to "We Know Better" And found them on 4 different sites, and not one had any mention of suitors.

So either you're bullshitting, or have been seriously trolled.

And in any case, it doesn't matter what a previous incarnation of Elsa thought, it's not canon if it wasn't in the film, similarly to how Life's Too Short with Elsa and Anna fighting isn't canon.

>>86024331

Most sites don't have the full song. They only have the one from the album, which only includes the pre-reprise part. Go search "We Know Better full" on Youtube.

>>86021903
>>86024233
>>86024948
Disney only released the first part of the song on their outtakes edition. The other half was apparently in some music sheet books.

>>86027049
www.onlinesheetmusic.com/we-know-better-p438250.aspx

This site sells sheet music for the entirety of the scrapped song. If thou click through the first several pages of preview, you can see some of the extended lyrics in the margins.

>>86024233

That would have likely been changed by the final song.

>>86027756
It was changed- they dropped the song in its entirety.

"We Know Better" was written for a different version of the movie. In that revision, Elsa was a pixie-cut bitch who practiced her powers freely onto anyone she wished, Anna was a prim, proper polite sweetheart who avoided making a scene at all costs, Kristoff a smelly shut-in or loser in love, & Hans was an idiot prince who could barely see beyond the nose on his face.

>>86024331
> And in any case, it doesn't matter what a previous incarnation of Elsa thought, it's not canon if it wasn't in the film, similarly to how Life's Too Short with Elsa and Anna fighting isn't canon.
Shame that we never got to see the sisters truly fighting. They shouldn't be getting along so kindly...

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What's she listening to, /co/?

>>85959244
He tried to have her killed.

>>85960185
At one point, Hans is distributing things like coats and blankets from the castle, and the Duke of Weselton complains that he is giving all of the trade goods away, so it seems like Arendelle also exported stuff like coats and blankets. Not just ice.

>>86028561

I meant if they had not removed the song and changed the plot. I can't imagine Disney letting that slip.

Anna doesn't seem that different in earlier versions of the film. A little calmer and less spunky but mostly the same.

>>85962297
It seems bizarre to romantically pair Elsa with a man who callously attempted to murder both her and her sister, just so he could be king.

>>86032149
That's cause Hans face-heel turn was badly executed so People usually headcanon a more morally ambiguous Hans.

>>86032364

It wasn't badly done, just vague. We don't kmow how evil he is.

Would he have been an abusive husband or fall for Anna? Would he have killed her or kept her around? Would he be a genuinely good king who became king through horrible means or would he be tyrant tier? We don't know.

>>86031956

Anna's heartbeat.

>>86018957
I've always found it intriguing that she managed to doom an entire city/country without even trying. In fact this was her attempting not to hurt anyone.
If she really did 'let it go', remove the brakes completely and went super saiyan, that would be a truly scary Disney villain. Different type of movie obviously but possibly awesome.