It's time we settle this once and for all. When did Simpsons

>>85902163
The first episode the cast started dick-sucking the celebrity guest star every time they mentioned him.

Stark Raving Dad.

>>85902163
When Milhouse became a meme.

>>85902515
So the simspons are still good?

>>85902515
But Milhouse was never a meme

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>>85902543

>>85902515
Are you from the future

>>85902163
Season 7 was the last good season, they started experimenting too much from 8 onwards and thought that being ridiculous alone was good comedy.

>>85902163
Season 10 Season 10 Season 10 Season 10 Season 10 Season 10 Season 10 Season 10 Season 10 Season 10 Season 10 Season 10 Season 10 Season 10 Season 10 Season 10 Season 10 Season 10 Season 10 Season 10 Season 10 Season 10 Season 10 Season 10 Season 10 Season 10 Season 10 Season 10 Season 10 Season 10 Season 10 Season 10 Season 10 Season 10 Season 10 Season 10 Season 10 Season 10 Season 10 Season 10

I am frankly disgusted by people who don't include season 9 in the so-called "classic era". Season 9 is great. Season 10 on the other hand, is not.

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>>85902163
There were a few warning signs of the things to come in season 9, but it's still good on the whole. Season 10 is where everything became noticeably worse. From there it was a sudden and sharp decline into soul-crushing mediocrity.

Season 1&2 - Great at the time, difficult to watch now because of the sluggish humor and overuse of sappy moments.

Season 3-8 - The greatest years the show ever had, probably the greatest years of any comedy show

Season 7-9 - Still watchable and better than most shows , season 8 is one of my personal favs.

Season 10 - I choose not to discuss it.

>>85902163
>settle this once and for all for the 9001st time

>>85902868
>season 3
>great
lol

>wow, alec baldwin, kim bassenger and ron howard are on the simpsons

This episode was a 90 degree drop

>>85902682
This is a fag who lives with the Armin Tamzarian episode in the classic era of the Simpsons.

>>85903178
The Armin Tamzarian episode is okay in my opinion. That episode was produced by Oakley-Weinstein, the characterizations, good humor, etc. were still intact, "classic" in that episode and not yet full retard.

Sure, the plot of Skinner being an impostor was silly, but that episode didn't yet have guest stars playing themselves or Homer being treated as the center of the universe.

And the rest of season 9 is pretty good anyway. If you want episodes that truly signified the downfall of the show, these are more fitting picks:
>When you dish upon a star
>Kidney trouble
>Sunday cruddy sunday
>Monty can't buy me love
>The old man and the c student
>Saddlesore galactica
>Kill the alligator and run
>Alone again natura-diddily

These episodes were the true point of no return.

>>85903209
I can agree with you that it isn't as bad as it gets, hell, your list is pretty fantastic at pointing out the highlights of awful.

My thing is that the Tamzarian episode comes in and does something the Simpsons was always pretty adept at doing: parodying or putting a new spin on sitcom or TV plots.

But it doesn't do it nearly as well as something like Last Temptation. It's mediocre jokes with a few highlights, more Jerkass Homer who saves the entire town's lives with his idea of just ignoring the issue. I guess I can't get over how Homer is portrayed, how the plot isn't a vehicle for good jokes, but mostly to flip off the audience with an asspull plot-twist that exists to give the episode weight, and an ending that tries so hard to be meta and tongue in cheek. i see the defenses for it, but man is it a low point for classic if you want to put it there.

>>85903346
How is Homer a jerk in Principal and the Pauper? His classic character seemed pretty "intact" when I watched that episode

>>85902163
The breaking point for me was when Homer killed Maude.

>>85903371
It might just be me. His actions at the end and his general attitude during the gathering to start finding Tamzarian just rubs me the wrong way. I might be exaggerating.

I'm probably pretty biased, so I'll need to go through Season 9 again.

This has been settled more than Northern Africa already.

8 was the last good season tbqh pham

>>85902163
It's still good, pleb.

>>85903493
No 9 was

The show was awesome when it was on Thursdays. How many of you queers were even alive when the Simpson was on that night?

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Leftist propaganda forced on them for years.

The episode with Alec Baldwin, Kim Basinger and Ron Howard.

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People like to point out Frank Grimes but I think the Shary Bobbins thing was worse. Frank did himself in but Sharry just got sucked into a plane engine as a throwaway joke after spending the whole episode helping and bonding with the family.

And I double checked her episode did come first

>>85902751
This is the correct answer

season 16

>>85903579
Yeah, fuck the left-biased reality!

>>85902200
Having Michael Jackson be an insane white bricklayer was a farcry from *Gasp* "IT'S [insert celebrity here]!"

It started with season 4, became apparent during season 7-8 and was solidified with season 9.

Season 10 is already part of post-classic bad Simpsons and it will never ever be included in the good Simpsons you tasteless apologists.

>>85904066
Actually, S10 is lumped with the first nine simply because people like using round numbers and since it is easy to say: "Yeah, the first ten seasons were great then it sucked!", S10 suddenly appears better than it actually is.

>>85903934
>not noticing how the entire city of Springfield and Bart were suddenly out of no where OBSESSED with Michael Jackson.

>>85904125
To be fair, everyone on the planet was obsessed with MJ back in the early 90s

>>85904125

Spotted the underage. Dude I don't think you GET how big MJ was. He was Beetles big.

If there where two booths next to each other manned by MJ and the returned Jesus Christ, MJ's line would DWARF Jesus's

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This was the last good "Celebrity episode" prove me wrong. and the only good season 13 episode

Screaming caterpillar. Final nail in the coffin.

season 5
homer's stops being bumbling dad and becomes actual idiot
marge begins her ever increasing nag
lisa becomes mini marge, a know-it-all, and starts gaining awful traits
bart stops being prankster and more of an overall dick

tl:dr season 5 is when they all gained the traits that blew up to what we despise today
season 9-10 is when they become more apparent
season 14 is when the traits finally fully consume any character they had left

>>85904125
Jacko was a really big deal at the time. What helps make it work in the episode is that it's not just done for the sake of fellating the guest star- it's to set up the massive disappointment of a hyped celebrity turning out to be some random guy.

>>85904267

and it's also carried by some genuinely nice Bart and Lisa moments. MJ's character is only there to support the larger story about Bart and Lisa

>>85904232
It's true, but season 5 also has one of my all-time favorite Simpsons episodes (Marge on the Lam).

>>85904178
Blame it on Lisa was OK.

But yeah for the most party S13 was pretty meh.

>>85904137
>>85904173
>>85904267
>it's ok when it's a celebrity -I- like

>>85904340
Aren't you too young to be on 4chan, kid?

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what would have happened if Conan stayed on as a writer and he got to write more episodes?

he wrote "New Kid on the Block", "Marge vs. the Monorail" & "Homer Goes to College"

>>85904359
>"Marge vs. the Monorail"
It has the structure of a wacky "whole town is involved" zombie Simpsons episode.
>"Homer Goes to College"
Homer's an usually big idiot retard for a whole episode.

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>>85904299
>>85904232
season 5 - 9 is still great/solid but also the tragic and rapid change to what we hate today.

side note grandpa Simpson actually managed to be the best family member far past season 9 due in part to his neglected status/ little episode use. as a result it was quite some time before he too received awful changes.

In season 9, the jokes are very sharp, the characterization is still (mostly) pretty intact and some of the plots are very enjoyable.

But in season 10, we get bland, homer-centric bullshit with thin plots, wooden dialogue and stiff, UGLY fucking animation. The characters, or rather, the lack thereof, are also messed up. Lisa is reduced to a know-it-all, marge is reduced to a nag, bart is reduced to homer's sidekick, Burns is a senile and friendly old man (rather than evil), and Homer is a superstar rather than a put-upon breadwinner.

>>85904340

It's not about what I like or don't like you tit. MJ's popularity at his height was beyond the usual celebrity. He was a literal world wide phenomena

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When did Lisa become a vegetarian?

That's when.

"My god, are you always on?"

>>85904537
>"There's a can"

7 8 ish.

Although the ones when they travel it's the best. The france one recently left me in tears

>>85903163
Hah, that's exactly the episode I bring up when talking about the death of Simpsons

>>85904359
>Homer Goes to College
Which was horrible.
>AND THEN THROW HIM OFF A BRIDGE! IHIHIHI!

>>85904340
>>85904507
There's a reason he was called "The King of Pop". He was Elvis big.

By 2003 or even before.

It's still pretty good honestly. I don't think it ever really had a bad season. It's just a popular thing to hate.

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>>85905844

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>>85902515
So never?

>>85902163
The one Treehouse of Horror segment where they met Jerry Springer.

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>>85902163
>"Well, good night son."
And it was all downhill from there.

>start to turn to shit
Mike Scully seasons, show was clearly getting much worse but was still able to get actual laughs
>turn to shit completely
Al Jean seasons, they're not even stupid Family Guy level funny

I mainly think of Simpsons quality in terms of joke quality and not characterization quality (this is the objectively correct way to judge the show by the way, it was always driven by clever writing not strong characters) so I have different standards than a lot of fans but anyone who says season 8 was the start of the end or the first non-classic season or whatever can get fucked

>>85904413
Why are you in this thread if you don't even like the simpsons?

>>85904178
>Stan Lee killed the Simpsons
Huh, why didn't I think of it

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>>85902163
I'd like to say everything after season 19 is when everything got just terrible. Grant it season 19 back to season 10 didn't have the best episodes and there was signs that it was getting bad but atleast they weren't complete dog shit like season 20 and so forth.

>>85905844
Al Jean get out of the thread.

>>85904066
>started with season 4

The fuck? So you're saying seasons 1-3 are the best?

>>85902163
michael jackson

Seasons 3-7 are gold
1, 2 and 8 are almost gold, you could include them in the gold area.

9, 10, 11 things get shakey. Like an over cooked or undercooked pizza, you'll eat it anyway and maybe enjoy it.... it varies. Sometimes its perfect still! You wonder why things were bad.

12 on the chefs clearly didn't give a fuck and you're lucky if you get a decent slice, which can still happen, but mostly its awful and you're sick of it.

While it had already gone downhill by the time it aired, you can consider "Behind the Laughter" to be a decent series finale.

>>85902163
Cape Fear when they learned about everything they could get away with and most of the writers left

I think the better question is when did you realize modern Simpsons got better and was actually able to enjoy it again?

When Homer did nothing but watch while Toadfish fucked his wife.

What season did they killed ned's wife that when it started

>>85904125
Bart wears the album sleeve for Thriller as a hat during the seance in the first Tree house of horror episode.

>>85911774
This. all the good writers left after cape feare.

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What is the most recent episode of The Simpsons you have watched in full?

>>85911959
Now that's a clever pop culture joke.

>>85912462
I watched the one with the miyazaki tribute out of curiosity when it aired. It just confirmed my feelings that the simpsons is a rotting corpse. I live with my parents and they watch the new ones sometimes. I catch glimpses and it somehow went even more downhill from season 20

it started being mediocre around season 11 but the movie was when everything really came tumbling down

>>85904125
You need to be 18+ to post on 4chan.

>>85912462
one from the current season where homer and flanders go to the grand canyon.

i liked it

Depends on the person

I loved the Scully era and thought it started to sour during season 13

>>85906029
It was such a simpler time back then.

>>85902163
For me it had to be when the animation was smoother everything up to that point was very good or tolerable but after the animation became smoother the writing became worse.

>>85902163
never

>Going downhill
Season 11

>Point of no return
Season 16

>>85912462
Itchy and scratchy and marge, you can really tell the difference between episodes like this and the newer ones.

That episode with blink 182 was when I knew something was wrong. It was a special episode number or something and they had them and Tony hawk?

>>85912462
The episode where Lisa got pissy at Marge and they were both away from the others while Homer and Bart showed off they cannot live without Marge doing things,and then they reconciled at the end.

>>85912462
The one where they hyped an upcoming bender cameo for weeks and he only appeared for 7 seconds

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>>85917528
>season 11
First it started falling over

>season 18
then it fell over

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>>85912462

the one where sideshow bob literally abuses Bart's corpse for the majority of the episode.

thought I'd give it a shot after all these years.

>>85919003
>Says while posting an image from the b-plot of "Homer's Enemy"

>>85906884
Amen brother, Scully era get a lot of shit but it was still "funny", Al Jean era is so bland and unfunny

I'd say Season 11. They were still some decent episodes after and they were some dumb episodes before the end like Maude dying, but I think Behind the Laughter was a solid enough finale for the show.

I always wonder why the Simpsons keep going. The ratings are getting lower year after year and every season just keeps getting worse. Why can't Simpsons go the way of Flintstones and Charlie Brown? Where you can still make money from merchandise but you don't have to produce any cartoons. Say for the rare movie or special reunion.

>>85904507
yeah, and the absolute height of his celebrity was sometime around Bad

four years later he was that has-been whose music was stale and repetitive and being overtaken by rap as the "safe choice black music for white people"

oh and by 1991 the early reports of him sleeping in the same bed as children he'd paid for were coming out (reports he later confirmed on camera, and would likely have been tried in a criminal court over had he not "overdosed" when he did)

he was by no means as huge as at his peak but his bug-eyed fanbase were deep in denial about him and represented a significant market for FOX, which was at that time a hungry little studio on the grow, not the behemoth you see today still protecting sex offenders

so they booked a down on his luck star who needed a little extra popularity and unironically had him hang out with children while their parents weren't around, and told the whole world they didn't have Michael Jackson or maybe they did, they weren't gonna say

everybody fucking knew, that was the point of saying it like that

>>85919018
That entire episode gave me cancer the only thing that was good about it was Sideshow Bobs fun little outfit.