http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottme ndelson/2016/08/28/weeke

>>85855565
If there was more captain boomerang and less headshot I think I would've liked this movie better. He was the only silly silver age style villain they had and yet squandered his potential

>>85855565
Imagine how much BvS and SS would've made if they were actually good and not chopped up on the WB's cutting table. They just scream WASTED POTENTIAL. They could easily make a billion, but they decided to go the Transformers route and just be happy about any income.

God, DCEU is so fucked

It seems the trend is that these movies will make a shit ton of money no matter what because of hype and it's probably gonna stay that way til the consumer decides the fad is over, which I hope is soon

>>85855819
It has failed, it's not even making money yet

175mn$ budget + 250mn$ marketing (it rivaled CW's and BvS's) + unknown reshoot costs = not profitable until it's over at least 850mn $ worldwide BO.

Remember, the studio takes home very little of the international BO, which is why domestic BO is so important.

CW is probably the only profitable capeflick this year.

>>85855847
>175mn$ budget + 250mn$ marketing (it rivaled CW's and BvS's) + unknown reshoot costs = not profitable until it's over at least 850mn $ worldwide BO.

It's always funny when people who know jackshit start spouting numbers as a fact.

If this makes studios realise that they can do fine without China, then it's all the better.

Think about it, this movie is esging on Guardians of the Galaxy without making any money from the chinks. That's tremendous!

Like, this genuinly puts Marvel to shame.

>>85855847
This, oddly enough when you casually look at it, it was a financial flop

>>85855565
>How did a movie about Captain Boomerang and a cartoon character make this much money without China, the second biggest movie market in the entire world?
Man, Fuck China.

>>85855847
>not profitable until it's over at least 850mn $ worldwide BO.
Didn't BvS make like, 800million?

>>85855853
>>85855861
You'll be proven wrong when WB reports huge losses at the end of the year/early next year. The DCCEU is a financial distaster when both BvS and SS are huge, expensive flops for them.

Marvel/Disney is apperently the only ones who can make capefilm.

>>85855847
>Remember, the studio takes home very little of the international BO, which is why domestic BO is so important.

You know that SS made more money than both Thors, Hulk, Ant-Man, Captain America, Winter Soldier, and every single X-Men movie besides Deadpool domestically, right? Are you calling those flops?

Furthermore, do you think that Marvel didn't advertise Captain America or Winter Soldier? Because you're sorely mistaken.

Plus Suicide Squad was more heavily merchandised than movies like GotG, which as we all know, draws in a ton of money.

>>85855853
It's funny how people call them out without proving they know anything either

>>85855910
>Marvel/Disney is apperently the only ones who can make capefilm.

Then why haven't they made a good one yet?

http://www.avclub.com/article/weekend-box-office-suicide-hotline-bling-240763

>Fine, fanboys, you win—for now.Suicide Squadopened to a record-breaking $131.5 million at the domestic box office, besting the previous record-holder for biggest August opening weekend of all time,Guardians Of The Galaxy,by more than $40 million. What’s more, the film received an average B+ CinemaScore from viewers overall and an A- from female viewers, confusing the hell out of publications (likeThe A.V. Club) that spent the last week furiously pounding out essays about how gross it is that Margot Robbie’s Harley Quinn spends most of the movie in spangled short-shorts and a jacket that says “Property of the Joker” on the back.


Reminder that this is how mad people are about this movie not flopping.

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>>85855847
>175mn$ budget + 250mn$ marketing (it rivaled CW's and BvS's) + unknown reshoot costs = not profitable until it's over at least 850mn $ worldwide BO.

Never change mousefriends

>>85855565
>How did a movie about Captain Boomerang and a cartoon character make this much money without China, the second biggest movie market in the entire world?
Because it had Batman in it.

>>85855973
Batman and the Joker. Harley Quinn's also pretty popular. Characters sell, people.

>>85855962
When will SJW wankers realize that chicks don't care about how a female character looks, but if she is pro-active or not.

>>85855915
Smaller budgets, smaller marketing costs.

>>85855962
Its funny he switches from being mad about the film being sucesfull to happy that the sjws were btfo.

To be fair im conflicted on that to though.

>>85856000
Doubtful. In my country the marketing for most Marvel movies seems more aggressive, they showed tv ads for Winter Soldier(two different ones) but none for Suicide Squad.

>>85856001
Don't be a fucking tool. Pastebin or archive stupid clickbait like that.

>>85856000
Winter Soldier cost 5 million less than SS, and SS made $22 million more.

Try again.

>smaller marketing costs

do you have a singlicious satisfact to snack that up

>>85855565
>summer
>no competition
>normies will go to watch everything just to kill time

and that's your answer

>>85856000

You don't know the marketing costs though, unlike you want to believe they spent 250M in marketing for a film released in fucking august like the shill above said

>>85856046
The marketing was mostly viral for fucks sake

Everyone needs to look up the entire Harry Potter movie franchise to understand why SS is not profitable, and why the DCEU is making WB bleed money.

>>85856077
No. You spell out your ridiculous moon logic in this thread or shut the fuck up.

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>>85856101
>3.7/5 audience rating
>68% audience score

>>85855565
the new harley is incredibly popular with teenage girls. both my sisters went to see the movie for her, because in their eyes she's "not an object" like the other girls in cape movies.

>>85856123
I think what anon is referring to is WB originally starting up the DCEU to be their tentpole replacement once the HP franchise had finished. So they were expecting the same numbers as HP

Remember how when this movie came out everybody said it wasn't going to have a big opening? Then after it did, everybody said it would have a drop and nobody would ever see it and it wouldn't make money?

Now it's been the #1 movie in the country for three weeks straight and everybody is just licking their wounds and trying to meme accountant their butthurt away.

>>85856187
It was the last blockbuster to come out.
I'm seriously baffled. Are people going back to rewatch this film?

>>85856150
What's your problem, that's just slightly better than mediocre.

>>85856093
>WW is already being criticized for starring a Jew because Israel is evil to SJWs
Excuse you Netanyahu I see you trying to make "O-only SJWs hate Israel!" into a meme. Everyone outside America is disgusted by your actions.

>ITT everyone saying only domestic matters because SS made a lot internationally
>here:
>>85820765
>everyone saying only International matters because SS made a lot domestically

If it made money internationally, and made money domestically, then maybe.....just maybe......it was successful

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>>85856187
It's basically become the comic book movie equivalent of this. Which I suppose is appropriate, because, as we all know, Suicide Squad is the Donald Trump of films. The media said so!

>>85856187

They know it's impossible to keep the charade much longer. Even Transformers movies made less money with every new movie, how can internet """"reviewers"""" antagonize the audience when every DCEU movie is more profitable than the last? People want to see more of these characters and they go to the theaters even when critics say the movie is worse than having bone cancer, they see the movies and the realize it wasn't that bad. Not great but not bad either, then they go see Ghostbusters or the Age of Ultron and they see the flick for what it is: pure shit, much worse than anything in the DCEU. Who loses this game? The reviewers credibility, that's why people are so fucking salty about this movie being a success, because the gig is up and everything from now on is just embarrasing for them

>>85856197
Probably.

>>85856237
>'This Movie will Flop,' Says increasingly Nervous Man For Seventh Time This Month

DC will become the Transformers of Cape Movies.

There is no doubt this movie has been a financial success. But looking at the future, all of the success was based on the fantastic marketing campaign which the movie did NOT deliver on. The movie was a critical bomb and the general reaction from the public has been disappointment.

This is a situation where the sequel is gonna bomb and the execs (and anons) will say, "What happened??? The first one was huge!!!"

>>85856247
>when every DCEU movie is more profitable than the last?
Except SS is doing less than BvS

>>85856250
I really wish I knew what for. Leto is annoying and it ends with zombies and space portals.

Fucking hell.

>>85856290

On a smaller budget, without China, in august. Remeber I said "profitable"

>>85856101
I cant believe this giant pile of shit has a 68% audience rating.

>>85856316
>Marketing

>>85856293
Because Joker fans.

>>85856197
I've gone twice

It's succesful. It's awful, but it's succesful.

Since there are people who actually like this dumpster fire of an universe, I guess I'm happy they're happy.

>>85855610
>Imagine how much BvS and SS would've made if they were actually good and not chopped up on the WB's cutting table.

Snyder had final cut on BvS

>>85856197
It became really popular with teenage girls because of the Joker/Harley romance.

It's become the new "Twilight".

>>85856334
My favorite part about that BvS description is "grim whirlwind of effects driven action." That sounds like praise more than an insult. What were they thinking? It sounds so cool!

>>85856356
Uh, you're welcome I guess.

>>85856374
grim=objectively bad

>>85856197
>I'm seriously baffled. Are people going back to rewatch this film?
Given that it has less legs than CW and made much less in comparison. No

>>85856371

Suicide Squad started its own hate machine pretty well anon

>>85856360
Honestly even I'm not sure what side that comment was supposed to be on and I was the one who posted it.

So was I the only one who both wanted and thought the movie would have been better if they had made it a 4-way battle royale type film between the squad, joker, Batman and (insert villain)?

>>85856247
Age of ultron was better then suicide squad.

Only just but its not horrible on the level of nubusters or any of synders movies

>>85856416
Yes.

The movie had enough Joker as it was.

>>85856440
But it's shit?
Are you implying the masses have taste?
Is that the defence you're going with?

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>>85856437
>BvS>MoS

>>85856472
No, it's just a good movie.

>>85856479
You hate them both. You don't actually care what order they are put in.

>>85856507
>it's just a good movie.
>26%

>>85856396
>less legs than Civil War

http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2016/08/25/box-office-suicide-squad-is-now-leggier-than-batman-v-superman/

>SS projected weekend to final take: 2.24x
>Civil War: 2.275x

Civil War had a fucking media blitz behind it, 12 movies to advertise it, and reviews calling it the beat movie ever made, and it only had .035 times the staying power of a movie that had the entire press against it.

Remember, you're comparing a movie starring Captain Boomerang and a character normies only know from a video game to a movie starring Marvel A-Listers, and CW only barely comes out on top.

>>85856534
>Remember, you're comparing a movie starring Captain Boomerang and a character normies only know from a video game to a movie starring Marvel A-Listers, and CW only barely comes out on top.
So Joker and Harley are now characters from video games?

>>85856101
>>85856334
>>85856440

I can't really put much stock in critic reviews considering that we just don't get to know what particular standard they use for their ratings.

After all, critics once said "It’s an assemblage of spare parts—it has no emotional grip... an epic without a dream." about Star Wars Episode IV

>>85856556
Harley Quinn is a character from a fucking cartoon that got popular from those shitty Arkham games.

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>>85856534
>Remember, you're comparing a movie starring Captain Boomerang and a character normies only know from a video game
Yeah, because Batman Harley and Joker were only known from a video game.

Joker had more screentime in the ads than he did in the actual movie, who the fuck are you kidding with this shit?

>>85856468
That's probably some of the most pretentious shit I've read all month.

>>85856556

Normies didn't even watch BTAS man, they know Harley because of the Arkham videogames and maybe cosplay if they jack off to that. Black Widow was more of a A-lister than Harley to normies

>>85856416
I don't think it needed more batman nce the DCEU will be full of him already, but tattoo man vs joker vs squad vs enchantress would be nuts. Too bad the movie didn't had enought time for it's characters, imagine adding shit.

>>85856566
Harley Quinn has been consistently popular for the past decade for being the only girl most normies can name in the DC universe.

>>85856556
that's where normies know them from now, anon - and joker from TDK, obviously
I know, it hurts. I feel it too

>>85856564
Critics are as stupid as the general public.

Ad populum is the faggot's recourse.

They only way to judge a film is to reflect on how it made you feel.

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>>85856580
>Black Widow was more of a A-lister than Harley to normies

>>85856438
>better than the PT

The PT made the OT look better in comparison

TFA made the OT feel pointless since it's totally fucked in a few decades. What's the bloody point then. If it was a century or two later and Luke was a happy Force ghost it would be acceptable

>>85856579
ok kiddo

>>85855966
>>85855853
But it's straight from the studios mouth

>>85856507
>You hate them both. You don't actually care what order they are put in.
I like MoS well enough. It is for the most part put well together, and I don't mind Clark killing Zod.
BvS on the other hand is the least coherent movie I've seen in ages.

>>85856580
>Black Widow was more of a A-lister than Harley to normies

pfffffthhhhh hahahahahahaaa. Black Widow isn't even a character in her own fucking movies

Reminder that Harley is getting a solo movie before there's a Marvel girl movie.

>>85856252
This.

Gotta say while SS was entertaining, it was also really dumb. There wasn't an ounce of characterization beside "the badass one" and "the badass one who makes occasional jokes" and no narrative flow. It was simply scenes cut together in a willful fashion. Felt like a music video or a bunch of trailers cut together. I did like that they didn't bother with origin stuff in the beginning though, just throw you right in and expect you to get it. More cape movies should do that. (Although they then went and ruined it by randomly throwing in the origin stuff throughout the movie)

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>>85856618
>BvS on the other hand is the least coherent movie I've seen in ages.

>>85856276
Why hasn't the Transformers fandom revolted against Bay for making their brand name synonymous with big dumb CGI fests?

Let alone DC fans.

>>85856616

Show me a source on those 35046840968 gotrillions spent on marketing for a movie released in august

>>85856626
Not on my watch

>>85856635
>Let alone DC fans.
The DCEU is doing DC justice.
Come at me.

Listen to this guy introduce Snyder.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQi6PXkj1bo

>>85856635
I think many actual Transformers fans go "Hey long as it keeps the property alive, whatever."

They are coming out with good Transformers figures again so they likely focus more on those. New Headmasters Deluxe line looks pretty sweet.

>>85856535
>Everyone is wrong but me

>>85856383
>>85856403
The funny thing is, I don't even agree with the description. It just fails (to me at least) at making it sound bad. Sure BvS was dark at times, but overall I wouldn't call it grim.

>>85856658
listen at 40 seconds btw

>>85856635
>Why hasn't the Transformers fandom revolted against Bay for making their brand name synonymous with big dumb CGI fests?

We have. We did for years. All the stuff about "x killed my childhood" directly refers to the backlash from Bayformers, particularly when they put fucking flames on Optimus.

He never stopped making them.

Contrary to popular belief you can't give a movie a negative view, so no amount of not going to see the movie can counterbalance the billion chinks that go see them.

>>85856334
But TFA is obviously better than BvS

>>85856667
Other people feel the same as I do. We get DCEU love threads here.

>>85856671
it's just arrested development children that think anything dark is LEGRIMDARK

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>>85856683
I hope for your sake that you're just having a laugh.

>>85856101
19%
fuck man
I didn't like it much, but 19%
damn they really hated this shit

>>85856723
It's extremely obviously social engineering.
The is no argument you could make for it being that bad.

>>85856534
>Civil War
>407,826,164
>SS
>282 million
>with Batman and the Joker

>>85856733
So all those arguments they made were wrong?

>>85856692
The characterization and effects were just better.

>>85856723
The average review is actually 4.7/10. 19% is just how many reviews were 'overall positive'. The average review is pretty fair.

>>85856733
sure, dubs
I mean a really bad movie, like fucking green lantern (26%), must had a better score than this
they are sure taking it too far
if it's bad it is bad, but atrocious? hell no

>>85856734
>an Avengers movie
>a movie about literally whos with a couple of cameos

Grasping at straws there aren't you

>>85856733
>CONS
Horrible direction, cinematography, script, and soundtrack.
>PROS
For the most part great acting.

19% sounds like a harsh, but understandable assessment.

>>85856734
And Batman vs Superman made more than Ant-Man. Your point being?

>>85856765
but the 19% are from the critics, is it not?
the 4.7 is from the public/audience?

I would give it a 4.5/10 for the cuts
and because Harley, I can't stand her

>>85856775
>Horrible direction, cinematography,
You're not even trying.

Why the hoohaa do you think shit like this flies?

Who are you trying to fool?

>>85856437
Finally a ranking I agree with.

>>85856803
>and because Harley, I can't stand her
The character is eh, but I was surprised how non-one dimensional Robbie could be when the scene let her.
She's a really good actress.

>>85856734
>Civil War budget: $250 million dollars

You're right, it's impressive that Civil War, a movie the ENTIRETY of Marvel's cast made exactly twice as much profit as a movie starring Captain Boomerang.

>>85856803
Tomatometer and rating are different figures. Say you and I are critics, we both see movie A. You think it's good, give it a 6, I think it's shit, give it a 2. The tomatometer for it will be 50%, since it's gotten one good review and one bad one, but the rating will be 4.

Now, the 19% figure is the tomatometer for top critics, with a rating of 4.7. So from all the top critics, 19% thought it was a good movie, while the average rating from all the top critics was a 4.7.

For what it's worth, it's sitting on a 26% for all critics with a 4.7 as well. Current audience is at 68% with a 3.7/5. Audience scores are always bloated as fuck though cause they account for the "want to see" value movies have before release

>>85855565
Trailers were well done

>>85856688
>We get DCEU love threads here.
Cool horseshit bro

>>85856848
Ask me how I know you post from your phone.

>>85856805
If you liked it that's your business. It's ok to like shit movies.

>>85856344
Me too. Liked it even better the second time around.

>>85856864
>It's ok to like shit movies.
Always with this line.
I like it. It's not shit.
Deal with it please m'nigger.

>>85856774
>an Avengers movie
Nice meme
>literal who's
>The joker
You fags will always lose

>>85856599
Especially critics who review horror movies and TV series.

>>85856873
Same.
I actually really like Leto's Joker.
I liked Boomerang.
I loved El Diablo.
I loved Flagg.

The movie's biggest issue is that it was getting into Marvel bad territory with the quips and cgi drones/goo people attacking. (Chitauri, Ultron bots etc)

>>85855847
Wait, they spent $425m on reshoots?

>>85856931
>A movie about CAPTAIN AMERICA is an Avengers movie

Okay

>>85856934
They LITERALLY needed a $600 quadrillion dollar opening to even break even.

>>85856954
It was about Tony.

Ask me how I know you post from your phone.

>>85856959
Shit, $560 quintillion dollars are a lot, how are they going to make $700 Octillion dollars?

>same rule of thumb for working out box office results is used for every movie
>suddenly this is wrong for SS
I don't get it

>>85855915
>Thors
>644 million
>Winter Soldier
>714.4 million
>xmen
>747 million

>>85856678
>particularly when they put fucking flames on Optimus.

Skewed priorities, it's like no trunks on Superman. Yes, some, or a lot, think it's a problem but there are far worse issues.

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I'm kinda hoping it outperformes BvS and JL.

Not because I love it or anything.
Just to fuck with Snyder.

>>85857016
It's more like a Mohawk and sleeve tats on Superman, but I was talking about the phrase being used when the reveal happened.

>>85857009
But Disneyfriend, I thought

>>85855847
>Remember, the studio takes home very little of the international BO, which is why domestic BO is so important.

>>85857020
>Jews are hateful creatures

Morpheus_water_wet.BvS

>>85856658
>>85856674
Thanks for posting this. I always love seeing Zack Snyder talk.

>>85857137
He's like a real person. Most famous people are so calculating. He justs talks.

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>>85857060
So SS isnt very profitable I see since it still hasn't made back its budget plus advertisement

>>85857152
How much did SS cost to advertise? How much did CW or WS cost to advertise?

>>85856534
CA: Civil War
Day -(million)
14 – $ 3.7
15 – $ 8.6
16 – $ 14.6
17 – $ 9.7
18 – $ 3.0
19 – $ 2.8
20 – $ 2.2
21 – $ 2.0
22 – $ 4.0

Suicide Squad
Day (million)
14 – $ 3.5
15 – $ 6.0
16 – $ 8.6
17 – $ 6.2
18 – $ 2.1
19 – $ 2.6
20 – $ 1.8
21 – $ 1.6
22 – $ 3.2

DC always loses

>>85857185
>the entire marvel universe only has .03 times the staying power of a team of d-listers
holy kek

>>85857209
I want /b/ to leave.

>>85856954
An entire movie featuring: Iron Man, Hawkeye, Ant Man, Black Widow, Vision, Scarlet Witch, Black Panther, and SPIDERMAN.

But Suicide Squad should do better because it had 2 minutes of Batman and 8 minutes of Joker right?

>>85857209
You should see a doctor about that senpai

>>85857175
>How much did SS cost to advertise? How much did CW or WS cost to advertise?
It's generally taken as a figure between 50% to 100% of the production budget, leaning closer to the higher end. According to http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/08/movies/making-suicide-squad-a-smash-despite-withering-reviews.html, it cost 325m to produce and market, giving a marketing figure of 150m on a 175m budget.

Civil War cost 250m to produce, with an estimated 180m marketing budget (http://deadline.com/2016/05/captain-america-civil-war-opening-weekend-box-office-summer-records-1201750394/), Winter Soldier cost 170m to produce, I can't find shit on a marketing budget, but this http://deadline.com/2015/03/captain-america-winter-soldier-profit-box-office-2014-1201390799/ is estimating it at about 170m based on their final figures

>>85855847
>Civil War
>$250 million dollar budget
>marketing cost generally equals or exceeds production budget, so $250
>Unknown reshoot costs (http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/content/chris-evans-battered-and-bruised-captain-america-civil-war-reshoots)

Without reshoots it needed to make OVER $500 million to even cover its production budget. Using your metric for determining reshoot costs, that means CW would not be profitable at all until it made $1.1 billion dollars.

It literally JUST broke even. It was a flop in the same way Ghostbusters was.

>>85857330
CW just has to recover costs in theaters and then make bank with merchandising.

Ghostbusters didn't even recover costs in theaters.

>>85857364
>>Batman
>>Joker
>2 minutes
>8 minutes

We've been over this. Are you dumb or dishonest?

What's it like being the next Bayformers?

>>85857427
But the DCEU is good.

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>>85857455
>>85857430
>>85857393
>>85857390
>Joker in all the adverts for the movie
>Nobody went to see it for him

>>85857427
But anon, Bayformers makes money because of China.

Suicide Squad was a success without the second largest movie consuming country. That's like running a marathon with only one leg.

>>85856723

It's an okay movie. Literally a 5/10 for me. 19 percent seems like hyperbole but I can't take Rotten too seriously because every dumb kids movie gets a 9/10 automatically.

>>85857463
Can't you see he's having a mental breakdown?

>>85857488
>Bayformers makes money because of China.
>$245,439,076

>>85857330
I guess high budget blockbusters are, always have been and always will be utterly pointless for studios to make since it's, judging by this thread, is impossible to make money from them

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>lmao it's dead on arrival my wife's son's father works at nintendo and he told me the presales are EMBARRASINGLY low haha take this evans meme DCuck
>Ok it broke records in the opening weekend but it's all the presales, it won't have legs I tell you mate haha take this RT screencap DCuck
>O-ok it's been three weeks with SS on top and it's making 700M without China but who cares the m-movie is baaad haha take this accountingposting meme DCuck!

>>85857488
>Suicide Squad was a success without the second largest movie consuming country
And its still gonna make less domestically than an R-Rated capeflick, BvS and Civil War and a movie featuring a talking Raccon

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>>85856247
You do know critics job isn't just to agree with the general mob? R-right?

I mean, they don't need to change their opinion just because it's become an unpopular opinion. It's kind of funny that you think that they should, as though critical reviews are supposed to be some sort of democratic representation.

Their job isn't just to agree with what most people think. They literally give subjective opinions about art for a living.

You are like a posterchild for someone who doesn't quite get how anarchy and freethought are supposed to work.

"Why won't these damn critics say what we want them to say!"...

Amazing.

>>85856440
I enjoyed Age of Ultron more than Batman v Superman, but I think BvS was the better film

weird that

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>entire year up to release
>"it's going to flop! WB will go bankrupt and kill DC!"
>RT reviews come out
>"Holy shit it'd the worst movie ever made! It's not even going to make its budget back!"
>opens
>biggest August opening in history
>blows the fuck out of Guardians, which was considered a phenomenon at the time
>"it's just front loaded! It won't make any more money!"
>#1 movie in the country for 3 weeks straight
>meets or exceeds most of Marvel's offerings without China
>"Hmmf.... Enjoy being the new Bayformers....."


I guess Marvel really is on Suicide Watch.

>>85855565
>Studio guts the fuck out of the movie (AGAIN)
>It's profitable
>Somehow DC "fans" applaud this

You should feel bad such a shitty movie is giving Warner some money. Every time they are profitable, expect even more shit from the studio that decided to cut Harley and Joker characterization because they are pussies.

>>85857582
Shit taste

>>85857557
Relatively unknown group of villains in their own film making less money than A-listers in theirs?

Shocking.

>>85857543
Honestly, I just stop paying attention to when people tell me how much money a movie needs to make to profit.

It all looks like shitposting from here.

>>85857601
Deadpool isn't an A-lister. The GotG team are complete unknowns to casuals and Harley and the Joker are 2 of the most iconic villains of all time.

>>85856914
>it was getting into Marvel bad territory

no wonder it's been successful.

>>85857676
>Isn't it ironic how 8 years ago DCfags were gloating in people's face over how god tier The Dark Knight was?
BvS was better than TDK.

>>85857557
>two movies well known for being ridiculously successful phenomenons and a movie LITERALLY STARRING BATMAN AND SUPERMAN outperform a movie about Deadshot and Killer Croc
>this somehow makes SS a flop

By the way, of those movies, only Deadpool had a smaller budget than SS.

>>85857651
>Harley is the most iconic villain of all time

before SA most people didn't even know who the fuck she was

So now with BvS and SS falling short, DC has exactly 1 more shot at making a movie to crack the magical 1 billion mark with Justice Leage. Will they be able to do it?

>>85855565
>SS makes money
>"its..t..the domestic that counts really guys
You drones are pathetic. It made money even with China something you fags swear it wouldnt do . face it the DCEU is doing fine. Its WB's third fastest growing franchise. Its not going anywhere

>>85857754
>disneykid ignores the entire thread
wew

>>85857788
I wouldn't blame 'em, it's full of retards having a ego breakdown.

>>85856914
>cgi drones/goo people attacking

This is the worst thing about the Marvel formula, the Power Rangers putties in the third act. I hope they don't do that anymore because it was the worst thing in SS for me

>>85857591

I'm a DC fan and I'm happy. WB is on a learning curve with this, BvS also made fuckton of money and they panicked anyways, because they want a Dark Knight and not some marvel quipfest made to dumb the masses and prevent the proletariat revolution. A new Dark Knight is bound to happen (it'll probably be Batfleck)

>>85857676
>yet a movie featuring a swearing hot dog having sex actually gave it a run for its money and is more profitable than it

SS made 211 million dollars more than Sausage Party. The only way Sausage Party beat SS was that Sausage Party's opening night beat SS's second week Friday earnings.

Sorry, but your meme math is weak.

>>85857817
>learning curve
m8, they're on movie 4 of their attempt to start up a universe. Each and every one has shat the bed as a result of either them meddling or fucking it up by giving it to the wrong person. There's a root problem with all of them, and it's fucking WB

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>>85857754
>he thinks they expected SS to break a billion in fucking august

>>85855565
will things finally look up for the DCEU?

>>85857767
No one ever expected SS to not make money, but just like BvS, it's underperforming badly. Yes, DCEU is doing alright, but where Marvel keeps pushing out movies that break 1 billion worldwide, DC couldn't come close to that number. And keep in mind that BvS and SS are their big team up movies. It doesn't get any bigger than that. Justice Leage will be their last chance.

>>85857887
They're already great though.

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>>85857901
>it's underperforming badly

READ LE THREAD

>>85857918
Does repeating this make it more true?

>>85857853
They probably at least expected it to beat GotG, which also released in august.

>>85857929
I was true the first time, you poor lost soul.

>>85857330
>>85857283
Deadline estimated that Ant-Man made a $100 million profit after accounting for VoD, DVD, and tv rights. I don't know if they accounted for marketing, but to put things in perspective Dredd made something like $13 million in DVD/Bluray sales.

>>85857901
>it's underperforming badly

Tell me about those MARKETING COSTS again man

>>85855565
Because DC fanboys and Hottopic teens are quite numerous.

>>85857901
>underperforming badly

how can it outperform every single fucking movie in the country and still underperform badly

How are you this dumb? Are you just making shit up at this point? Is this some consensus reality shit where you try to meme your dreams into reality?

I'm honestly baffled at how dense and out of touch with reality you are

>>85857147
My favorite parts are when he gets nervous. He's like a comic book nerd that got famous and has no idea how to handle it at times.

I remember that one guy who asked him what his influences were for the Watchmen movie and I could tell he was wracking his brain trying to think of an answer other than "it's a Watchmen adaptation, I was influenced by WATCHMEN." You could see how retarded Snyder thought that guy was.

>>85857901
Ni they are not. BvS is IM2 and SS is a side spin off kinda. Dceu is doing better than Marvel was 3 movies in, 4 if you wanna count Hulk.
Stay salty Drone

>>85858006
WB wants to compete with Marvel. SS opened extremely strongly, blowing the GotG august opening weekend out of the water.
Now SS is at 630 million, way short of what GotG made worldwide.

How else would you call that if not performing below expectations?

>>85858027
Agreed. I find the guy to be fascinating.

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>>85858037
>comparing to movies that first started the superhero craze

>>85856437
>Any of those beating AoU
The delusion is hilarious.

>>85858057
I'd call it DC not being ten movies into their cinematic universe and you having a reality slant.

>>85857539
>>85857574
I unironically believe that Batman was the best character in Suicide Squad. I always said that I would love it and would forgive Harley's annoying attitude if Batman punched Harley.

I loved the contrast of new Batman and edge Batman. In place of the bat brand, he takes out handcuffs to hand Deadshot over to the police. I don't know if that was intentional, but I love the parallel nonetheless.

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>>85858077
>AoU is better than anything in the DCEU
laughing@u pham

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>>85858070
>marvel invented superhero movies

>>85858070
Fox's Xmen would like to play a game with you. Hell even Donner Superman.

>>85858037
>Dceu is doing better than Marvel was 3 movies in

Yeah, because DC has blown their load with their big team up movies before doing any solo movies besides MoS. BvS is the biggest DC team up movie they will ever make when it comes to pure hype and name recognition and yet as you yourself admit, it did slightly better than Marvel's phase 1 solo movies.

>>85858097
Best character was Boomerang.

>>85858097
>I loved the contrast of new Batman and edge Batman. In place of the bat brand, he takes out handcuffs to hand Deadshot over to the police. I don't know if that was intentional, but I love the parallel nonetheless.
It is. Batman regained his faith in humanity through the sacrifice of an Alien.
It's really quite beautiful.

>>85858090
>DC open with Superman and Batman
>Marvel open with b-listers
An apt comparison would have been Raimi Spidey

>>85858118
>BvS
>bigger draw than Justice League

Lay off the nigger sperm. It's rotting you are brain.

>>85858118
>BvS being bigger than the fucking JL. You fucking drones.

>>85858027
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD3byJxc9Vc

>>85858118
>ensemble movies never existed before marlel
>every ensemble movie needs a full movie dedicated to every character

Why didn't Tarantino make movies about all the guys in Reservoir Dogs before blowing his load with a teamup movie?

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>>85858102
>Actually thinking the current crop of DC trash comes even close to anything Marvel has done.
It's actually kind of sad how delusional you are right now, never seen anyone fan boying this bad.

>>85858155
I fucking love this guy. He's oaky with just calling a spade a spade.

>>85858181
Oh buddy. You're on the wrong side of history.

>>85858181
>unironically sucking Marlel cock

I think BvS is pure shit and it's still better than all the Iron Mans, Thors, and both Avengers movies.

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>>85858217
You can suck my cock ironically.

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>>85858217
Are you fucking high?

>>85858272
>he actually likes Age of Ultron
>he actually likes Iron Man 3: White Mandarin

>>85856818
that I can agree
she is good, at least in all movies I watched
but the character is a pain in the ass

>>85855847
That $250 million for advertising needs a citation and would be at least somewhat offset by merch sales and the soundtrack, which also debuted at number one.

>>85856841
got it now
thanks anon
you are a cool anon

>>85856626
j

>>85856093
>breitbart news
>sjws

You're thinking of neo-cons anon, though to be fair it's really two sides of the same coin

>>85858217
>>85858327
>Names two movies
>Not calling out the DCuck who said BvS > IM 1+2 and both Avengers films.

Your (You) is showing, regretting that retarded statement already I see.

>>85855847
If a movie needed to make more than $600 million to make money, there would be nonstop articles about the heads rolling and how it was the most expensive movie ever made all the time. This is some delusional shit.

>>85856626
I just realized this is like those school ground games where you make up rules to win.
Fuck you immunity cat gives me immunity from your no immunities.

>>85858327
>White Mandarin
Tumblr plz go.

>>85857330
>CW would not be profitable at all until it made $1.1 billion dollars

You're fucking stupid. There's no way any studio would green light a movie that needed 1 billion dollars

>>85858430
He's right. Iron Man 1, 2, and Whedonvengers/AoU are all fucking terrible.

>>85858434
>If a movie needed to make more than $600 million to make money, there would be nonstop articles about the heads rolling and how it was the most expensive movie ever made all the time. This is some delusional shit.
I don't think you realise how stupid execs are. They meddle in a movie, it fucks up the movie, then no one likes it? The last person they'll blame is themselves. They'll end up canning everyone between themselves and the janitor before they even think it might have been their end.

The Sony leaks basically confirmed what everyone knew about execs being retarded

Are we going to do this dance for every new Marvel and DC movie that comes out?

>>85856635
Bay got fucking death threats, what the fuck are you talking about

>>85858487
Yes.

>>85858487
We do this only for DC because Drones are that fucking insecure.

>>85858487
Every time DCuck's need to protect their ego.

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>>85858516
>literally DCIDF

>>85858516
Keep telling yourself that, Spoiler.

Self-delusion appear to be your game.

>>85856629
what?
when her movie will be released?
will it be in 2019?
fuck man, it is really time to stop
10 capes movie a year is not working

>>85856468
My god, all of that and all he said was "I liked da pretty colors when dey fighted :)"

>>85858582
Does your mother know that you're retarded?

>>85856626
KILL YOURSELF

>>85858654
By all means, feel free to summarize the points of the article as you see them. But he doesn't even start talking about the two films from the PT that he actually liked until halfway through, and he spends most of what's left talking about the fancy graphics of the boring video game cutscenes, before mentioning that any scene where they talk is garbage. It's an incredibly empty review, it's all purple prose and no content.

>Watch Suicide Squad and Batman: The Killing Joke back to back.
>Get taken out of it when I hear Robin Atkin Downs

Does DC use him a lot or something?

>>85858750
>the fancy graphics of the boring video game cutscenes
If that's all you get out of it, then that... is why you fail.

>>85856626
what

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>It will flop
>Oh it'll drop off
>Oh it needs to break 800 million to be profitable
>NUH UH THIS DOESNT COUNT STOP IT

Jesus you Mousekeeters really like to move goal post huh?

>>85858544
Sure mouse sure

>>85858885
It still didn't make 800 mill though.

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>>85855854
>Like, this genuinly puts Marvel to shame.

Dearhstroke is now trending on twitter because Ben Afflek tweeted guy in a Deathstroke costume. Suicide Squad 2 news incoming?

>>85859020
It's okay, Mouseketeer

>>85856934
Nah, that anon just can't explain things for shit
He saw someone else say it in another thread and assumed he knew what they meant.

Typically a studio considers a movie to be a flop if it doesn't make back at least twice it's cost. SS's production budget was $175m. It's marketing budget is assumed to be somewhere between $ 200m-300m (which isn't unusual for a big movie)

SS has made back it's costs - the studio didn't fail - but hasn't yet achieved a number that WB would consider a success.

All in all, given the negative publicity it received early on and with their previous track record, WB should be pretty damned happy with this result. It's a marked improvement over previous films and didn't lose them money. It will have good merchandise which is important.

>>85859012
Yes it did. It easily made 170mil from merchandising.

>>85858885
and yet you keep falling for it

>>85859124
So your defense is that you were merely pretending?

>>85856334
>its a /tv/ contrarian posts on /co/ episode

>>85855927
They did. Too bad they didn't make a lot of them.

Good MCU movies:
>Guardians of the Galaxy
>The Avengers
>Captain America 2: The Winter Soldier
>Iron Man

And Ant-Man wasn't bad.

Still it's 4/13 (or 5/13). Pretty bad.

does this mean we aren't gonna get the actual good movie which is the ultimate edition?

>>85859219
>contrarian
not an argument

>>85859186
no, we are actually all retarded. I have no idea how or why you keep taking us seriously but you do. which is a bit daft, innit?

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>>85859326
>we

>>85859081
You don't fucking spend more on marketing than on production you nitwit. Marketing budget usally is 60-80% of the production budget.

>>85856626
fuck off

>>85859364
>You don't fucking spend more on marketing than on production you nitwit.
You would be surprised at the number of movies that have blown more on marketing than production

>>85855847
rob lefield pls go

>>85855847

How do you even spend 250 mil on marketing? Way more than making the entire film? How?

Also needing a film to make a billion dollars to make money is incredibly retarded. Even if it had gotten good reviews you don't know and this film was all obscure Z-list characters.

>>85859364
It's been rapidly changing within the last few years. The 70% rule was valid as of 2010

In this case you're right however; SS's marketing budget totalled in at roughly $150m, making the total cost $325m

I'd originally read they wanted about $700-800 million for it to be a huge success, so ended up about $650 mill isn't too far short of that.

Wikipedia lists the total budget include marketing at about $325 million, though I can't figure out where they got that number.

Looking at about a $300+ domestic take, which is at least a moderate success on a $175 million budget for a first time property.

>>85859345
that's a royal we. we are the queen of marvel

No matter what a movie makes or what it's budget was someone on /co/ who hates it will do some weird math to show it lost money

>>85859548
/thread

>>85859020
>>85858487
>>85858181
>>85857998
>>85857926
/thread

>>85859500
>Also needing a film to make a billion dollars to make money is incredibly retarded.
Not really. You're forgetting these are WB's tentpole movies. So these keep up their other failures, which there have been a lot of. God knows Pan shouldn't haven't made it into production. Add up costs of other movies, and you can see why WB were disappointed on BvS hitting 900m and blowing up on merchandising

>>85855847
>meme accounting

>>85855962
sjw, internet feminist White Knights getting BTFO is always pretty amusing to me.

>>85855991
This has always been the case too. It's happened multiple time. People constantly spewed how sexist and perverted The Dead or Alive series was, while i was running into more female gamers online in DOA4 than any other game. ( back when people actually talked in online games and everyone wasn't in fucking party chat) same goes for shit like Bayonetta, Panty and Stocking, Soul Calibur etc and bet your ass you will see many females cosplaying this version of Harley at conventions!

Thing that white knights don't get is Women like sexy women too

>>85857020
Well i mean , Snyder's out after JL anyway.

>>85859793
Sadly.

Pa Kent was right. The world wasn't ready.

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>>85855610
>God, DCEU is so fucked
Indeed. I got special footage of DC in their headquarters at the moment over the catastrophic results of BvS and SS.

are all threads going to end in a company fight?

>>85860655
Just ones with triggered Marvelcucks mad people apparently like something other than their Disney movies. Same with Pixarfags being mad at Illumination/Dreamworks/etc.

>>85860699
even MCU threads end in this
people are to passional over shit

>>85860751
Fandom in a nutshell really. Rival sports teams. X-box vs Playstation, etc.

>>85860783
yeah

if you like something, just enjoy it
why waste so much time arguing over it

but if they didn't done it internet would be dead, I guess

>>85860823
But that shit existed long before the Internet.

>>85860699
>implying I don't hate NuDisney

>>85860843
sure
politics and sports are like that

I think jornals was like this
people printing their opinion and fighting others

>>85855565
>How did a movie about Captain Boomerang and a cartoon character make this much money without China, the second biggest movie market in the entire world?
You know how all throughout Man of Steel and Batman v Superman the kinofags were complaining about how nobody understood how serious and deep the kino was and insisting the entire planet was marvel shills and were treating "fun" like a four letter word?

Turns out that normal people *actually go to the movies to be entertained* rather than depressed and bored. They go for fun. Skwad, for its many flaws, gives them that.

Who'da thunk it?

>>85857853
What an ugly woman

>>85855847
>>85857330
>Without reshoots it needed to make OVER $500 million to even cover its production budget.
>It literally JUST broke even.
SS math is
$200mil first shoot + $75mil reshoot (conservative) + $300mil P& A
Literally needs almost a billion USD to make it a good investment.
It's not even close, it could actually sink the studio. lmao at these assmad DC fanboys.

>>85856634
In what way is that not an argument?

>>85860920
>depressed and bored.
literally and unironically too deep for you

>>85861026
You can parade around all you want emperor. I still see your tiny penis.

>>85860994
>these ass numbers
Keep whining Drone. None of your non team up movies make over 1bil everytime and DCEU crack 2bil in 3 movies alone. Its only gonna go up

>>85861048
Wrong board phamily.

>>85861061
Indeed. You should go back to /tv/.
This whole "you just don't understand the brilliance" ad hominem argument to """""""""intellectualism""""""""" bullshit is a desperately weak meme, the only defense Snyderfags have, and it's even weaker than the "if you hate this you're sexist" defense Sony tried for Ghostbusters.

Get a new argument. It's been four years.

>>85860994
If that's true what a hilariously bad investment.

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>>85861117
>It's been four years.
And still you wear your willful ignorance like a badge of honor.

>>85856616
Movie studios always inflate their budgets because they don't want to give the directors/actors more money.

>>85861160
>T-THEY JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THE KINO
I like how by your shitty logic Suicide Squad shouldn't be a success.

>>85855565

I'm pretty glad it is making a decent amount of money. it's pretty integral to the continuation of the franchise and so far, I have liked it

gotta say though that SS was the weakest of the three movies we got so far even though it was a nice watch in my eyes. solely the first third felt a bit weird considering the "this is x, this is y, this is z....." approach to character introduction

flagg and harley were also pretty annoying in my eyes, enchantress was actually a positive surprise and croc and diablo were just the best. too bad we won't be seeing more of el dios azteca

>>85861270
what?
get a grip

>>85856427

>Age of ultron was better then suicide squad

Literally kill yourself, Marveldrone.

AoU is the worst comic book film of all time with the exception of Thor 2 and Batman and Robin.

>not even 300m domestic
Poor DC.

>>85855907
BvS had a much more bigger budget than SS though. WB was aiming for a billion at least.

>>85862056
Didn't even mention Marvel. This is just sad. Hope you can recover buddy.

BvS is just a bad movie. I swear I understand that liking something is subjective, but come on it isn't even editted or written in a way that makes it good. I say this even with an extreme amount of happiness of seeing parademons on screen.

Suicide Squad was at least a coherent movie, but lack a lot of heart that was intergral to its quality. I didn't walk away loving or liking any of the characters. This can be contrasted to a movie like guardians of the galaxy where you walk away with a great deal of affection for the cast.

Really not interested in Zack Snyder or David Goyer's work at all. They clearly do not have the vision that will work for these movies.

>economically successful but critically destroyed
What else is new?

>>85862117
BvS is a masterpiece and you're a pleb.

>>85855962
Jesus, those levels of salt can cause kidney failure.

>>85856237
Marvel drones getting nervous that people are showing interest in DC movies

>>85859277
We were never going to get FREAKED edition because if the normies ever find out the truth about JokerxHarley it will threaten their future movies. It's a small price to pay, since you can imagine the scenes from that deleted scenes list that was posted before.

>>85863098
but in this the Joker actually cares for Harley
and, hell, they even have a functional relationship, in their twisted own way

she isn't the recovered woman that overcome the bad relationship, nor she is the stupid mental brat that follows him and do whatever he says, even when this fuck her up
and this applies for the helicopter scene (specially) and the jump scene

maybe a "freaked edition" would be good to solve some issues made by the shit cuts and some joker scenes (a big if here)

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>>85862117
>Suicide Squad was at least a coherent movie

>>85862094
>Didn't even mention Marvel. This is just sad. Hope you can recover buddy.
Sorry, let me fix that.
>Dumbfuck shitposter confirmed math illiterate.

We live in a reality where Deadshot is allowed to have more charisma than Superman.

>>85863470
should've just cast Will Smith as Superman.

>>85855565
>How did a movie about Captain Boomerang and a cartoon character make this much money without China, the second biggest movie market in the entire world?
>Will Smith
>Motherfucking Joker and Harley
>Marketing since last year
Is a bad movie but with a good grossing, just like Iron Man 2, great for DCEU they evaded a bullet this time

>>85856178
Sucks to have retarded sisters huh?
Considering she acts like she's jokers property the whole movie.

>>85864092
They don't sound any more retarded than normal girls. That's just how they think. They're all that stupid. The funny thing is, Harley literally has "property of the Joker" on her clothes, if I'm recalling correctly. Yet tons of normies are saying that she's "empowered."

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thread in a nutshell she'll
>I no like marvel
>I no like DC
Frankly im amazed ppl bother to argue in this threads. The autism levels from both sides are off the charts

Bad movies can make money. Look at that autistic pile of shit called Iron Man 3

>>85855847
>Remember, the studio takes home very little of the international BO, which is why domestic BO is so important.


People always seem to forget this part.

Studios and the distributors are an incestuous relationship in the states.

They work together -- if one makes money, so does the other.


Internationally, they have to negotiate with international distributors, who take a bigger cut and don't give a shit if the studio loses money.

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>>85856368
pls no

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>>85857584
>I guess Marvel really is on Suicide Watch.

Because of SS?? It's on half the worldwide gross for Civil War

>>85866975
I like both, but you got to admit autism spikes EVERY time a new DCEU movie is released. Its mix of denial and /tv/ shitposting invasion

>>85857584
>Biggest August opening in history
>WITH NO COMPETITION

>>85867012
What do you mean? It's a Marvel movie. That automatically makes it good.

>>85859257
>Avengers
>Iron Man
>not shit

>Leaving Out The First Avenger

faggot

>>85868599
On a smaller budget. With a team full of D-Listers.

Civil War was Marvel throwing literally everything it had at the screen.

>>85868660
>WITH NO COMPETITION
>What is SB and Pete's Dragon, a Disney movie
Just because they got beaten doesn't mean they weren't competition.

Furthermore, if you think that WB somehow cheated the system by releasing when it did, why doesn't Marvel do the same?,

>>85868660
>WITH NO COMPETITION

What? is there some rule that states that only movies can be released in the cluster fuck that is the summer blockbuster season?

>>85869039
>why doesn't Marvel do the same?,
I have no dog in this fight but they do. That's why Thor 2 and Doctor Strange are November releases; it's a relative dead zone.

>>85859793
Synder will never work on a major motion picture again.
I hope the japs are willing to take him though as shit as most of his films are hes pretty much made for bayoneta films.

>>85869253

The point he's making is the lack of competition contributed to the sales.....

>>85861363
Aoe was just kind of bad as was suicide squad man of steel was the worst cape film.
Batman and robin was good.

>>85855565
How can this dogshit movie even make money is beyond me
Has the summer season really been this terrible?

>>85863661
I would watch it.

If it had more capt.Boomerang it would have cleared a billion

I WANT KATANA BOOMERANG SPIN OFF REEEEEEE

>>85869455
The scary thing is, it really has been a weak movie summer. I mean fuck the only fun movie I remember was Civil War.

>>85863661
Prime Will Smith would have been a 10/10 Hal Jordan DESU FAMALAMA

>>85869383
>Synder will never work on a major motion picture again.
His wife is still a producer.

Because hot topic emo fags are obsessed with it.

>>85869515
>civil bore
>fun

Nice Guys was fun

>>85869413
Only a retard would throw their movie to the wolves that is the summer season, & a bigger fool to try to release close within Star Wars Hype.

>>85869568
New Star Wars was unbelievably one of the worst movies I've seen in years. You couldn't pay me to see another one.

>>85855565

You forget most people went in for Will Smith, Joker, Harley and assumed Batman had a bigger role. Also El Diablo captured the Latin market.

Then there was the bad guys as protagonist hype that started in the first trailer. The marketting was strong.

Also HarleyxJoker is the new twilight romance. I have that shit plastered over my FB with edgy girls.

>>85869546
Still have to see that
>>85869611
Oh fuck off you meme spouting faggot. This summer has been mostly shit and you know it

>>85869665
So what you're saying is that it had a lot of different elements that people wanted to see?

>>85869665
>HarleyxJoker is the new Twilight romance
This really pisses me off. Not just because its a less interesting character dynamic that caters to casuals but because people ignore that its a abusive relationship

>>85868640
Yeah, when Marvel fans deny how great the movie is.