Why is Slade Wilson considered a "supervillain?" Apart

>>85803693
Has a cool design.

>>85803693
Before New 52, yes. Now he's edgy Batman.

>"Actually, I never thought of Deathstroke as a villain or bad guy.” Wolfman says in justification of this decision. “I thought of him as someone who was put into a bad situation and couldn’t find a way out so he kept getting deeper and deeper into the hole he was digging around himself.

>"I think one of the best Deathstroke stories was one I did in Titans called ‘Shades of Gray’ where he and Changeling go to a diner and just talk. I think that showed who Deathstroke was. I’m not comfortable with him being a mega-villain. As for how he acted after Terra—well, he was in the early process of redeeming himself. I think of Terra as the manipulator, not Deathstroke. She was his means of getting out of the HIVE quagmire he was in. He was her means at getting revenge against the world.”

He knocked up a 15-year-old.

>>85803807
So he is more anti-villain than anything in general

>>85803815
Truly a hero of the people.

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>>85803693
He's a mercenary, refused to save his own son life, later killed said son, fucked an underaged girl, nuked a city, killed the Atom and watched teenagers having sex while high on dead children.
However Slade is hot, so he is okay in my book

He nuked bloodheaven killing everyone nightwing knew

>>85803784
Priest is fixing that

>>85803836
Tell that to fans of Freedom Fighters, I dare you.

>>85803861
>He's a mercenary, refused to save his own son life, later killed said son, fucked an underaged girl, nuked a city, killed the Atom and watched teenagers having sex while high on dead children.
Alright, please post some issue numbers for some of your preffered Deathstroke runs. That tagline alone has me interested.

He's a pedophile

>>85803898
He just described Slade's shitty comic book life for the past 15 years. He used to be a lot more nuanced. read New Teen titans, his first even ongoing(Deathstroke, The Terminator) and the current Rebirth series. He's not evil, he's just an asshole.

>>85803807
Yeah but Wolfman also thought Terry Long's relationship with Donna Troy was #lifegoals and that Dick getting raped by Mirage was something to joke about.

>>85803693
Contract killer. World leaders, public officials, superheroes, etc.
Accessory to the crime of nuking Qurac. Hundreds of thousands dead. Even more chronically irradiated. Somehow got off free. So did Cheshire.
Ordered chemical weapons dropped on Bludhaven. Nearly 300k dead. Somehow was never punished.

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>>85803693
Slade drops people right and left, desu. Fucked up Batman in their first meeting, too.

>>85803898
>He's a mercenary
Literally every book he's in
>refused to save his own son life, later killed said son
I'm guessing he's talking about Jericho? Titans Hunt (the New Titans arc, not the miniseries)
>fucked an underaged girl
Terra Incognito and The Judas Contract
nuked a city
Nightwing: Renegade and Infinite Crisis
>killed the Atom
Wallace's Titans run
>and watched teenagers having sex while high on dead children
IDK what he means here. Judas Contract again? Titans East?

>>85804014
>and watched teenagers having sex while high on dead children
Titans Villains for Hire and Titans Brightest Day, one the worst runs ever written

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>>85804003

>>85804003
I feel like I am about to have an aneurysm every time I read "But he's quicker where it counts".

Either way a stroke

>>85804003
what the fuck? HOW IS THIS EVEN POSSIBLE

>>85804074
>one the worst runs ever written
Basically all of the Titans runs are awful.

Marv Wolfman in the 90's?
Dan Jurgens Non-Titans?
The guy who came after Devin Grayson in the early 00's?
The guy who came after Geoff Johns in the mid 00's?
Eric Wallace Evil Titans?
Lobdell's New 52 shit? And that other guy?

Titans are almost universally shit.

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>>85804152

>>85804152
Not even the only time he beat the Flash.

>>85804003
>Wally running full speed into a sword

Yea it's already all been said with this comic but seriously. I'm pretty sure his reflexes have been shown to be fast enough to feel a blade beginning to tear through his costume and react in time.

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>>85804196

>>85804216

Was this prior to Wally's MASSIVE power boot following Return of Barry Allen though?

>>85804153
Wasn't Titans good in the 80s?

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>>85803815
>yfw you'll never nut inside a feisty 15-year old

>>85803815
she was asking for it

>>85804216
LOLLLL

Slade this high school whippersnapper?

>>85803882
Well that first arc did make him a bit of an antihero but i have confidence that will not be a regular thing

>>85804003
>tfw this was one of the first comic books I ever read
>tfw can't read this shit now either thinking it's some serious Deathstroke wank
Honestly I love the idea of Deathstroke being a general DCU villain a lot but yeah, no.

>>85804335
Yes. I didn't list all of the runs there, just the bad ones.

Classic silver age Titans are worth a read.
Bronze age Wolfman Titans are good
Devin Grayson late 90's Titans are decent (the JLA/Titans mini is good)
Geoff Johns Teen Titans repeats a lot of the Wolfman stuff but it's still good.
Abnett's stuff right now is decent

>>85803815
Well if he knocked her up she was obvisuly old enough.

>>85804085
Thats a nice page

>>85804153
you forgot convergence atom where he was made a blubbering bitch by ryan choi who came back from the dead.

>>85804085
DELETE THIS

>>85804172
>testing a theory
Science is a nobel goal

>>85804403
Remember, Priest knows nuance. Priest's Deathstroke is a murderous, duplicitous, wife-beating child abuser and we're only two issues in. His Deathstroke is still human. He still can love, he's not a dog-kicking mustache-twirling cartoon villain.

>>85804468
Whats wrong with it of course deathstrike beats batman in a straight fight.

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>>85804335
Wolfman & Perez New Teen Titans is one of the best cape comics of all time

Also he sort of raped raven in the cartoon

>>85805235
You're on the wrong site, tumbler is over there ->

>>85804152
I mean, Flash gets hit by boomerangs thrown by an aussie, so...

>>85804403
Making Slade an antihero is literally the opposite of what Priest said he's going to do

He writes Slade as an awful person through and through

>>85803807

Yes, the 14 year old girl manipulated the 50 year old master assassin and not the other way around

>>85805291
>wrong site
They don't call this board /co/mblr for nothing.

>>85805337
Wolfman had some very strange ideas....He always wrote Deathstroke in a way that justified him no matter what terrible things he did.

The impression I got from the comic was that Terra was nuts and Deathstroke made her even more crazy.

I'm interested in how Priest plans to handle things.

>>85805312
No he doesn't, you're just too dumb to understand nuance and human characters. Slade is a piece if shut by cir instances, not by choice. He doesn't rape children up the butt for fun or kill homeless people as training but he won't think twice about hitting a woman or actually put his life on the line to save a child he doesn't know. Slade loves his children, but he never wanted them do he never knew how to raise them, couple that with the fact that he's an asshole and you get a really shitty father but since his creation, in the very first issue, Slade is shown to care about his estranged children and maybe he regrets how things turned out but he's too proud to admit that he failed. He's a jerk, but he's not a moustache twirling evil planner, he just kills people for money because that's the only thing he's good at.

>>85805535
>Slade is a piece if shut by cir instances, not by choice.
I'm pretty sure beating your kid with belt is by choice.
>he never wanted them
So is having children

>>85805535
Slade is always written as an awful person but sometimes the writers try to portray him as a misunderstood antihero and ignore the bad stuff he does.

Priest seems to be focusing on how Slade's choices screw over his family.

>>85805975
Nothing wrong with beating your child when he's being cheeky.

>>85803815
Like you wouldn't.

>>85805988
>sometimes the writers try to portray him as a misunderstood
Nothing wrong with that. Writing him as a pure evil planner is dumb though.

>>85805975
If beating his kids with belts was the worst thing Slade did to his kids, they would be less messed up.

>>85806033
oh sure but he's shown to do it before any of the other stuff happens
we're not to the makes it so joey goes mute and drugs/manipulates rose parts yet

>>85803693
Read a fucking comic christ
>he was more evil in my favorite show!
Seriously reconsider your life

>>85806033
I know but Priest haven't gotten to other things yet.

>>85804152
Slade-force

>>85806031
Him being good at planning is part of his character.

I'm not saying he's pure evil but it's really weird when some writers try to blame other characters for him being screwed up.

>>85806128
Nah, he's a fast thinker but he's not really a planner because he has no goals. He's pretty nihilistic, he kills people and...that's it. He doesn't want to rule the work or anything, he's pretty nihilistic in that regard. Another awful thing writers have been doing with him is making him very money hungry, robotically taking contracts and being shackled by them instead of taking or turning down what he wants.

>but it's really weird when some writers try to blame other characters for him being screwed up.
Really doesn't happen often, not as often as him being pure evil anyway. But Slade's a screw up and he's made many mistakes and although he doesn't wear his emotions on his sleeves, he regrets those mistakes.

>>85804153
>tfw Young Justice was the best Teen Titans run created
why won't dc reprint it

>>85806287
It wasn't very good.

>>85803693
He banged a 14-year-old and then used her to infiltrate a team of teens and young adults with the intent of killing them.

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>>85805988
Slade is the guy who beats his wife, as written by the guy who beats his wife.

He does horrible things, he's an asshole, but it's not his fault! If only the world\wife\you didn't provoke him into doing the horrible things! It the World's\wife\your fault if everyone would just leave him alone he'd be a good person!

>>85804277
After

>>85805535
He killed hundreds of thousands of people.

Shouldn't the Justice League and every law enforcement agency on the planet be trying to kill him at this point?

>>85803898
The stuff concerning the Atom and the drugs made of children is from Titans:Villains for Hire. Do not read that run, it's godawful

>>85803947
>Dick getting raped by Mirage was something to joke about.

Well, it is.

>>85807940
Priest is also going to address that. There's an interview around where he explains it more eloquently than I'm about to, but basically it's just a result of the heroes respecting the justice system. Slade is able to bribe/blackmail/lawyer his way out of stuff.

>>85804730
It aged horribly.

>>85803815
Good man.

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>>85805337
>no seriously trust me, that 14 year old was way more evil than me.

>>85808387
It aged better than 90% of 80s comics

>>85808422
>I might be a middle aged assassin but that 14 year old girl I fucked was the real manipulator!

>>85808465
bronze age comics have aged pretty well in general though

>>85803815
Wait, he cucked BB on the comics too?

>want to read a villain story
>oh suite, comic villain # 45 now has a new series for him
>he's in a bad place, he's family is taken, he'll be rough but fight for the good reasons
FOR FUCK'S SAKE.
WHEN I READ DEATHSTROKE, I WANT TO SEE HIM KILL PEOPLE FOR CASH -without rubbing in my face that said people are hitler-level dictator so it's fine to kill him-FUCK BITCHES AND BEAT UP HEROES ALONG THE WAY

Why do they have to make every villain non evil in their story runs? We have tons of stories about battles fought for good reasons. Thousands.
If you want good acts write a hero doing them, not a villain.
Sheesh.

>>85808487
Fuck no.

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>>85805488
This is my favourite page.

>>85808519
yes they have

>>85808517
Shut the fuck up, you child.

>>85808422
>>85808477
>Just like the old man
>in that book by Nabokov

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>>85808510
Yes though technically no because it was all a sham in the first place.

>>85808539
No, you're just a sheep.

>>85808517
ok then read Deathstroke by Priest which just started cause he's writing Slade as a complete shitty person and not shying away from it

>>85808594
I'm enjoying the current run, I just fear he shows all the stuff with his kids to have him try to redeem himself and mend their relationship later on.
So far it's fine though.

>>85808654
He won't redeem shit but he won't be shown to be proud if the way things turned out either.

>>85808477
>Terra able to manipulate Slade
That's the biggest laugh about Judas contract.

>>85808698
Yeah I get that they wanted to make Terra a completely irredeemable bitch for their reasons but they did it very poorly.

>>85808678
Just as long as it's mostly killing folks for cash instead of saving himself from old enemies or protecting his family, I'll be good.

>>85804003
Not refuting that he can beat him, just the "first meeting" part.

I always go by the story that Slade is one of the people that trained young batman

>>85808698
The biggest laugh of the Judas Contract was Raven suspecting Terra and not telling the others.

>>85806363
Them's fighting words, m8. Square up.

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>>85803693

Pre-FP Slade killed approximately a million people by dropping Chemo on Bludhaven.

He was also never punished for it, which was one of the biggest fucking failures of DC editors to fucking follow up on their own stories. Like, way to fucking make all your heroes look worthless. A guy kills a million people and gets literally fucking no penalty of any sort for it.

>>85809507

didn't Dick beat him up in a hospital bed for a page for that? i think when he was Batman

>>85806439
Marv Wolfman beats his own wife?

>>85803693
>Why is Slade Wilson considered a "supervillain?" Apart from the Teen Titans cartoon where he's specifically designed as a total sociopath, has he done anything extremely evil?
judas contract
he's riding those coattails even now

>>85804172
sword handle is too fat

>>85804730
Why Wonder Girl/Donnna Troy was never featured in the cartoon?

>>85809539
>didn't Dick beat him up in a hospital bed for a page for that?

Yeah, he kind of shoved him on the floor from his bed. Which, I think we can all agree, is a fair trade. Guy commits the biggest mass murder in history and gets pushed like he was in a schoolyard looking nerdy.

If you have a villain do shit like that, he needs to be either killed, or put into some interdimensional space prison on a barren asteroid. You can't fucking act like it's a parking ticket. If you do, your heroes are fucking garbage.

>>85806287

Was Young Justice good?

>>85808523
Jesus Christ.

>>85805488
Priest laid it out pretty clearly in his interview, and interestingly he has the exact opposite belief as Marv Wolfman and I'm biased here, but I've always disliked Wolfman's NTT and enjoyed Priest's work.
>I wanted to begin by asking the question of alignment. Do you see Deathstroke as a hero, villain or anti-hero?

>He’s a villain. He is unquestionably a villain. He’s Darth Vader. He is a bad guy.

>So how do you approach a story where you’re asking readers to cheer for the villain?

>I think to adopt Deathstroke’s attitude, it’s the readers’ problem to work out. [laughs]

>If you look at the film Collateral with Tom Cruise. Half of the audience is rooting for the assassin character and half of the audience is rooting for Jamie Foxx’s character, but at the end of the day, the Cruise character, no matter how much you want to like him, he’s a bad guy. He runs around and kills people. So my approach to Deathstroke is he’s a hired killer. He’s an assassin. He’s a bad guy, and he’s the world’s worst bad.

>I think Slade is ultimately amoral and a sociopath. I think he struggles with relationships and so forth, but he’s addicted to the action. He’s addicted to the run and gun and the challenge of different things.

http://www.dccomics.com/blog/2016/07/18/blood-bonded-christopher-priest-sets-his-sights-on-deathstroke

>>85810007
Was that even for Bludhaven? I swear Dick said it was for what happened during his time with the Titans

>>85810275

I think it was for Bludhaven. Doesn't matter, the end result is the same either way. The villain commits an atrocity that's inconceivable in real world, and gets away with a slap on the wrist. How are you supposed to root for "heroes" like that? Ones who can't protect people, and having failed that, can't even take revenge for them? It was just terrible storytelling.

Another thing worth noting: this was right around the time when DC had decided to turn Cassandra Cain evil for reasons that made no sense. Now, Bludhaven was a city shared by Cass and Tim at the moment, they had moved in there about a year ago. Why didn't they use this as a reason for Cass going evil? Her murdering Slade for blowing up her city would have made so much more sense as a motive for becoming a Bat-Punisher.

>>85809408
Why is Judas Contract considered good again?

>>85803693
He's a heroic heel at this point.

>>85809967
IIRC, there was actual legalese surrounding her that blocked her usage from DC media at the time. That obviously changed by the time Young Justice/Super Best Friends aired which makes her absence from Superhero Girls all the more inexplicable.

>>85811194
>which makes her absence from Superhero Girls all the more inexplicable.

That one makes sense to me. WW is the more marketable character to them. Same reason it's Barry and Hal instead of one of the kid speedsters and one of the newbie GLs

>>85810892
I don't think the story itself was good but it was a huge part of probably the only good run of the franchise.

I will get flamed for saying this but the 2003 cartoon did the Judas Contract better than the comic.

>>85811899
why, you're right

>>85807940
>blaming Slade for the Bludhaven incident

>>85811179
like almost every villain now.
I'm so sick of this shit.

>>85808844
I want to punch you in the face right now.

>>85811179
>he didn't read the beginning of Priest's run

>>85811179
>>85812097
Priest is writing him as a villain and so far the comic has been pretty good.

>>85812227
I think there is a large reading comprehension issue when it comes to protagonism and some people on /co/. I saw some arguing that even in those two issues he was anti-heroic. People really think that just because the main character succeeds they're meant to be shown as ethically correct.

Surprisingly enough, Deadshot always seems to get the better of Deathstroke.

>>85803693
He's definitely a supervillain, I think they rely far too much on his children as shitty plot elements.

It's something that comes up with all the Teen Titans, though.
>deathstroke?
throw his kids at him
>raven?
trigon.

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>>85812288
>>85812227
you're both so full of shit

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>>85812403
Nice cropping.

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>>85812505
what's your point?

>>85812403
thank you for proving my point that you can't read, that you think one positive result means he's being heroic and we're supposed to see him as an ultimately good force by any stretch of the imagination

>>85812403
He literally said
>>85810103
>>He’s a villain. He is unquestionably a villain. He’s Darth Vader. He is a bad guy.

>>85804216
well, its been said that Slades reflexes are so fast, that in just the first two steps of a race, theyll be even.

So, take that for what its worth....

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>>85812684
yeah bro
look at this ruthless mass murderer

>>85812684
Seriously, comic book readers are such plebs that they can't understand nuance. This first "arc" was all about Slade saving his friend, yeah he did some good on the way, but it's all "collateral damage" in his mission to save Wintergreen. "you people" are so obsessed with black hat/white hat that you seriously can't comprehend the concept of a three dimensional character.

>>85812824
Read Titans For Hire, dude. It seems like that's what you're looking for.

>>85812901
so he's an emotionless killing machine who doesn't care about anyone except when he does.

A+ character

>>85804003
>But he's quicker where it counts
what did he mean by this?

>>85813005
Not sure if retarded or just pretending. He cares about a handful of people, but he's a terrible friend/father regardless and he'll end up fucking them over/disappointing them more often than not.

>>85813039
his sex dick

>>85813072
are the thousands of people he saved from that genocidal tyrant in rebirth part of that handful of people?

>>85813182
Retard status: confirmed.

>>85812824
>thinking it's even anti-heroic to gain power by sparing their families

you're really not getting this

>>85813216
nice argument

>>85813230
He's a shitposter, dude, so don't bother. The guys are shaking in their boots telling Slade how they fear for their families' lives and he just tells them "I don't care". When he finds out about Wintergreen he decides to use these guys to help with with his plan. But hey, I guess that since he's not senselessly murdering everyone he's coming in contact with then he's too heroic. Seriously, guy is just baiting, there can't seriously be someone so childish and edgy that he's bothered by a character having a personality beyond "I kill everyone I come in contact with because I'm an edgy badass assassin".

>>85813359
>mission to save his friend
>villainous
Kinda, if it involves killing innocents in the process. But it's besides the point. When I read "hired assassin" , a rescue mission isn't what I strapped myself in for.

>>85813466
Too deep for you? Do well written and nuanced characters trigger you? Sorry m8, no one dimensional characters in priest comics, look elsewhere.

>>85813516
>you can't have a well written character in a story where he kills for money

Oh, he's a villain all right. Just not a SUPER one.

>>85815028
slade did kill while getting paid

>>85815028
Priest has said on record this is an introductory arc to introduce Slade and his supporting cast and was the second arc he wrote. We'll get to the assassinations soon.

>>85815096
Yes but that's a side effect. His motivation wasn't to get money by killing.

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>>85815097
>we'll get to the assassinations soon
slightly triggered by the lack of umlaut in this

>>85813182
He didn't save anybody from genocide

He helped get an anti-intervention politician elected and then had him killed, that doesn't guarantee there will be any interference, and he only did it after he was sure his check cleared

>>85810007
I recall Dick promised to follow up on that (since the Al Ghul's guards were nearby). Not entirely sure if he did though.

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>>85804174

He has done is several times, here is from the 2nd issue of New Teen Titans pre-crisis.

>>85805535
>he's not evil
>he just kills people for money because that's the only thing he's good at
Listen to yourself.

>>85808359
>basically it's just a result of the heroes respecting the justice system. Slade is able to bribe/blackmail/lawyer his way out of stuff.
I think that realistically there would be 24/7 assassination attempts against him and entire organizations dedicated to his demise, but well, comics.

>>85815680
Wally was really slow before he became Flash.

>>85815505
He did in the 2008 Titans book
Don't read any of that series, it was garbage

>>85815844
The people who are not willing to kill for their goals wouldn't do that.
The people who are willing to kill for their goals tend to need him now and then.

>>85810088
That man literally murdered Gar.

>>85803693

He literally gets paid to kill people.

He isn't only a murderer, he's a greedy murderer.

>>85811899
I agree.

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>>85812684
>>85812901

>>85808517
It's pretty hard to make your readers root for a character who's a total fucking bastard, unless he's fighting someone worse (Dexter, Punisher, ect).

Priest thinks he's good enough to try though, so we'll have to see where things go.

>>85816262
I disagree with your first line.

>>85816336
Let me rephrase that, it's hard to make the readers NOT root for the antagonist when your protagonist is a total fucking bastard.

>>85816438
I continue disagreeing.

>>85803861
>watched teenagers having sex while high on dead children.

>>85804074
Worst runs, or worst runs even by titans standards?

>>85816457
Am I going to have to list the examples where the "villain" ended up being better than the hero? Let me start with one, "AvX Rightclops".

>>85816646
You're arguing that if mc is evil bastard, people will root for the antagonist.
Examples won't prove that.

>>85816586
>Worst runs, or worst runs even by titans standards?
Yes

>>85816692
I'm arguing that if the antagionist is a better person, it can easily happen. Shit, Priest outright mentions an example >>85810103

>>85816820
Fully depends on the audience.

And at the end of the day, the people who get pissed at the protagonist of a story because he kills people for cash when the protagonist is "DEATHSTROKE THE TERMINATOR, WORLD'S GREATEST ASSASIN"? Fuck those people.

>>85816962
We have someone getting mad because he's saving his only friend, and getting some meat shields by pretending he'll get their families out too, remember?

>>85803815
In the old days, most boys eere considered men and old enough to go to war at 13 and most girls were married and had kids by age 15, by age 30 most men and women would be grand parrents.

>>85803861
>watched teenagers having sex while high on dead children.

what

>>85817085
He was old

>>85818461
2008 titans book, villains for hire
don't do it

>>85818461
shit like this is why DC needed to do the new 52

>>85818461
He watched teenagers have sex while being high on a drug made up of dead kids.

>>85818686
>>85818661

I don't even want to read it really, it sounds awful, I just need some context or this is gonna have me wondering for a long time

Like, does he... light a bunch of children on fire and get high off the smoke? I don't know how else to interpret this

>>85818732
they were liquified somehow

the story also featured a lava woman killing someone with her vagina

>>85818567
So was Indiana Jones and John Smith.

>>85819490
also while Deathstroke watched