This show is coming to CN, how come I don't see a lot

I don't really know, I haven't seen a lot about it either. But I hope it turns out good

Its pretty mediocre. They really need to slow down the pacing.

>>85597819
Because im too busy bustin it to vamberes thighs

>>85597835
I feel like it has a lot of potential to be better if they slow the pacing, it's like nobody even has time to breathe

>>85597819
Idk, I can already tell from the shorts I've seen that the purple haired broad is maximum waifu b8.

>>85597819
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d15FzV0Gnm4&ab_channel=CartoonNetwork

I liked this but I haven't seen the others

>>85597819
I liked the original concept better before they forced the crappy sword gimmick, and yes i know the original concept was just a Slayers rip off but it sounded way more interesting than what we seen so far.

this is a cheap slayers ripoff which automatically makes it unwatchable trash

>>85597819
There were some shorts leaked a few months ago. It's just okay.

>>85597819
I saw an episode playing early in the morning something about a radio DJ tree needing sunglasses. It was pretty shit desu.

Grey Griffin has alot of fun and is fun as Vambre's voice actress, but her design is *just* a palette swap of Lina Inverse with no shoulder pauldrons nor pants.

This kinda sums up my feelings so far. There are enjoyable parts and some pretty hilarious line reads scattered about, but it needs more than that to succeed.

>>85597848
>>85597835
Well they were shorts. I'm looking forward to the actual series. So far I've l think this could be great.

>>85597900
Since Slayers will never air on western television again, I see it as an improvement over things like Stephen Universe. A step in a less wrong direction.

>>85597819
looks like a shitty lolrandumb flash from pre 2010's newsground.

>>85598815
>Look mom I hate timblr boogie woogie man show I haven't watched so much I'll take Johnny Test shit with plagiarized character designs over it! Do I win the 4chans now!?

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So they're animating webcomics now?

>>85598889
"Slayers is better than any cartoon made this decade." Is that easier for you?

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>>85598889
>with plagiarized character designs
Come on man, they aren't plagiarized. Similar? Yeah but come on.

>>85598889
>Johnny Test shit with plagiarized character designs
I'm confused. You just described Steven Universe, but why?

>>85598948
No, Vambre's design *is* lifted directly from Lina's. I'm not saying it's plagiarism, not saying it's a rip-off (though some might,) but it is quite clear where her inspiration came from.

Slayers is a (multi-media) spoof of the DnD style fantasy genre and Mighty Magiswords is spoofing that *and* video game fantasy, so it's not the same as, let's say, the creator was trying to make a huge fanta-comedy series while claiming it was all his when the heroine is a palette swap of Lina Inverse. That would be plagiarism.

>>85597819
So they're rebooting Slayers just like Ben 10 and TTGo?

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>>85599330

>>85599307
Oh you are so clever! How do you do it?

The fantasy genre, whether it's a video game, DnD, anime/cartoon or classic and modern lit is obsessed with magic swords as a general thing.

This cartoon spoofs that to the Nth degree to the point the main character just care about going around collecting magical blades like they were pokemon. So having the heroine look like Lina Inverse--who had an obsession with getting the world's only Lightsaber away from her self-appointed protector/affable lug-- makes sense as a parody/spoof.

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>>85599346

>>85597819
It feels like its a cartoon from the past, and not one of the good eras.

If it takes air time away from teen titans and isn't half as cancerous I'm ok with it

>>85599350
I would seriously kill for a legitimate D&D/RPG-inspired fun cartoon series that's half comedy/half drama, with lots of jokes about D&D/RPG cliches, while still having wide enough appeal to outsiders. It boggles me that we haven't gotten something like that yet, considering the popularity of the "nerd" thing nowadays.
This one is sort of like that but it's kind of shallow and I'm not a fan of the character designs.

>>85599910
Well, there's Order of the Stick (a webcomic), but it's got about a decade of back-logs of strips if that's daunting or if you were specifically looking for an animated series.

Hell, there's a number of webcomics that work with this, but OotS and...Guilded Age are the only two off the top of my head that stick with DnD themes, but GA did some weird shit after a story arc that seemed to end in a TPK.

>>85599993
I was talking specifically about an animated series, yeah. There are a lot of fun webcomics that follow that premise and I can appreciated that but man would I love a proper animated series.

>>85597878
eh, I don't like it.
Uninteresting characters, really annoying voice doing the "_____ MAGISWORD!!!!!"
>>85597848
>slow the pacing, it's like nobody even has time to breathe
This, way too faced-paced as well

Guess we'll see if it gets any better in time

>>85599346
Cankles???? Feet???
??????????????????

>>85599330
God he looks like such a smug douche in 3 and 4.
Also, why did they make her legs bare in >>85599346 but covered her legs in >>85599355.

>>85600177
Vambre hates pants.

>>85600041
The Slayers series as a whole was best described to me once as "A DnD campaign wherein the crazy players *completely* derailed and took over the plot from the DM." Which is amusing and pretty accurate, but that's an anime series.

It is, p. much the only thing I can think to suggest unless you can find a good podcast of an actual DnD campaign. I don't like Penny Arcade anymore but they did have a few games (with Wil Wheaton of all people!) that were at least hilarious.

>>85599330

What the fuck is the perspective on the 4th pose

>>85600198
So then why did they add pants to the red head?

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>>85598913
>>85598948

I really wish fox kids didn't get the rights to slayers all those years ago

They only grabbed because Toonami was looking at it

>>85600234
Princess shit? I dunno.

>>85598898
>safe mode
wut

>>85600212
If you're looking for a good D&D podcast, have you listened to the Adventure Zone? It's three brothers and their dad. It's my favorite D&D podcast, lots of comedy, and the DM doesn't get caught up in the boring details yet still crafts really cool story arcs and memorable characters.

I'm disappointed his Moobeard pilot didn't go anywhere, that would have been better.

>>85600296
... Well, I'm going to listen to it NOW.

Kinda wish the DnD podcast from the SA forums with the bunny princess didn't die off, unless I'm mistaken.

>>85600427
Hell yeah. It's a little slow to start since they have to get through basic character creation and the first arc, but later story arcs get more creative, including a train murder mystery, a Mad Max-style wagon race, and a neverending time loop mystery in an Under-the-Dome-style Western saloon town.

>>85600333
Oh yeah I remember moobeard, and yeah I agree that probably would've been better than this.

>>85597819
>Tv'sKyle shit
Yeah, no thanks.

I'd rather have something from an actual John K alumni than a guy who is inspired by a bad knock-off version of that style. Fucking schnookums and meat,

>>85599101
>MOMMY LOOK, I POSTED IT AGAIN XD

>>85600333
>male cow

That shit has to stop

>>85597819

>someone in CN are making western adaption of Shieldbro

Good taste

>>85600717
Who's this guy?

took me way too long to realize this is by the same guy who did Frog Raccoon Strawberry

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PSA: most of the shilling against this cartoon is being done by John K and members of his blog since they are pissed that it's creator took the piss out of John by calling him an intern fondling pedophile hack, which is absolutely true.

>>85602619
Well, John K is an intern fondling pedophile hack... especially now that he's using flash animation...

This doesn't seem like it will be particularly good.

>>85602619
Interesting. I do think this show has potential and it'll be interesting to see if it does well.

>>85600177
Because the final design is similar to Lina, but the first one is a fucking carbon copy

>>85597819
well, at least it has boobs

>>85602954
This is my exact thought.

>>85599355
>>85599346
>>85599330

Such uninteresting and lame designs.

>>85599355
>>85599346
>>85599330
Such interesting and cool designs.

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>>85603293
>>85603541

It's depressing to think how the only intriguing part of a show is the porn of it

>>85597848
>>85597835
>WAAH I DONT LIKE FAST PACING
A lot of the television cartoons in the past that you idiots like for nostalgia had fast pacing. Make it too slow like Clarence then you have a bad cartoon.

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>>85603875
Not really. Lots of other shows are like that.

I dig cheesy toyetic collect em all shows so I'm into this sort of thing.

>>85603892
Please, name one that has the nonstop pacing of these shorts.

It's really pitiful that this is the only new non-reboot cartoon CN's gotten in years.

>>85603957
Yeah it seems kinda fun.

>>85603975
Tom & Jerry

>>85597819
because we know it's just going to be re-runs of the shorts we've seen on youtube.

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>>85598898
Who is this literal semen demon?

>>85597819
All I know is that pan and stev like this show, I mean izzy

Because I don't plan on watching it.

It's not that I hate the show, I'm just going to fap to the 34 and never watch it.

>>85599421
That's just it, it looks like it's going to be TTG but with DnD
>>85599910
I would kill for a Fell's Five The Cartoon with actual good art and animation too. Hell, I'd kill just to get the comic back

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Vambre is cute! CUTE!

>>85597819
>This show is coming to CN, how come I don't see a lot about it here?
It's been a long time since the shorts popped up, and most people who were interested then lost interest. Also, the shorts are kind of dopey. Also also, Carrozza's gags don't play well with anyone, and the shorts were full of 'em.

>>85607441
>*anyone
I meant to say "everyone", that came off harsher than I meant it to.

>>85597819
Isn't this just a western knockoff of Slayers? I can't take those character designs seriously.

>>85607915
The premise is completely different than slayers so aside from looking like Lina and Gourry, no it's not even close to a knockoff. And you're not really suppose to take them serious as this is more of a comedy than a legit adventure/magic/quest thing.

>>85599910
There isn't any dialogue, it leans a little more on the drama side sometimes, and obviously it's kinda niche, but have you seen The Reward? It's like D&D meets One Piece.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUlg8Y_mLfA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Cw7aAFS5oc

Each of the stories are gonna have different protags, but the main characters of the first short are directly inspired by the creators' D&D campaigns. It's got a lot of lore that's yet to be fully explained and there's even an actual tabletop RPG (set in its universe) in the works.

>>85607993
After watching the short I get that, but the influence in the designs is so obvious its distracting. Even if it isn't meant to be taken seriously I'd rather be looking at some nicer designs.

>>85608175
Got the links mixed up

>second link = first short
>first link = second short (it's a prequel but you understand it better by watching the original short first)

>>85599910
There's Konosuba, but it's almost a pure comedy with nearly no drama

>>85597819
Wow, they're finally showing Slayers?

>>85608375
You are a few hours late.

>>85598889
>No one could possibly hate this show I like if they watched it, so I'm going to make juvenile generalizations in a classless, sarcastic manner to prove the superiority of said series, and therefore myself, because I place an excessive amount of my own worth as a person on the media I consume as opposed to any actual depth as a human being.

>>85599253
It's not "drawing from the same pool of references", it's a very blatant ripoff. The characters are basically Sonic recolors of Lina and Gourry. Like the whole thing is completely indefensible because not only is it complete shit but it's shamelessly ripping off a something that's infinitely better than it.

>>85608577
>very blatant ripoff.
but that's bullshit.

>>85608577
Well put. You can be influenced by something and show it through your work in a not-blatant way.

After seeing >>85608175 I decided to catch up a little on The Reward, and you can notice a bit of Eiichiro Oda's influence in the art style (most notably the eyes, large grins, and exaggeratedly long bodies), but they still managed to make it their own and it isn't distracting.

Kyle A. Carrozza (did I get it right?) really is being Sonic recolour-tier with this. Whatever happened to Moobeard?

>mighty magiswords

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FakBfSnRKjo

>brother and sister team

ruined

>>85608717
10 years. 10 years happened.

>>85608853
It's because you want them to fuck isn't it?

>>85608853
When it's a girl and a guy team of protags, why is it almost ALWAYS either

>friends that secretly want to be more than friends and that gets inevitably addressed
>brother and sister

Why can't it just be two pals that just so happen to be the opposite sex? I feel like the brother and sister one is done more often in western stuff lately, almost in a poor attempt to dispel shippers (like that's gonna stop them).

>>85608889
Jesus, it's really been 10 years? Fuck. I never followed any of his accounts around the time that tumblr came into existence (and I think I unfollowed his dA years ago out of disinterest). What did I miss in those 10 years?

>>85602619
Guy's got my respect just for telling john k to fuck off.

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>>85609004
All I know is that he worked with some other guy on a comic named Frog Strawberry Raccoon, until he got called up for this series. Some anon storytimed the comic when Magiswords was announced. It was OK.

I'm sure Moobeard just didn't get picked up. Happens all the time.

>>85609199
I-is that Kimbo's silouette??

>>85609199
Oh, I remember Frog Raccoon Strawberry. I didn't read it seriously. It was just ... odd. In hindsight I think he tries to be too quirky, not in a "lolsorandum" way but more of a "REMEMBER THE GOOD 'OL CARTOONS" way.

And yeah, it didn't.

I wonder if an issue with this guy is that he has TOO many characters? And the ones he has, he constantly changes. I feel like a hypocrite saying this because I can't settle on my own character designs, but to me it feels like his designs are kind of "throwaway." I know an artist constantly changes and improves (or worsens, or stagnates), but has he ever sat with a character and worked and reworked their personality, not their design?

I'm thinking out loud here. Time for me to do some digging myself.

>>85602619
>>85609081
John K is undoubtedly a douchebag but this surprises me - I thought he was Kyle's biggest influence?

>>85609392
Kyle is the anakin Skywalker of animation

>>85609272
I can't remember where I got that pic, so maybe. I think it's fan art, so it's probably him.

>>85609392

I agree with you in the trying to be too quirky part.

>John K is undoubtedly a douchebag but this surprises me - I thought he was Kyle's biggest influence?

It would seem that way, and after all he hangs around many of John K.'s actual alumni that worked and learned under him.
But to me , he seems a lot more amateurish than the others. His stuff reminds me more and seems more inspired by Schnookums and Meat, which is a knock off of Spumco's style, than the real thing.

>>85609004

Because if they aren't brother and sister even if nothing in the series points to them being romantically involved people will be disappointed if they don't end up with each other, that's just the way it is.

[spoilers] But let's be real, if a hetero guy and girl are close and neither are in a relationship they've thought about getting together at least once. It's unrealistic to assume otherwise. [/spoilers]

>>85609873
welp fucked that up...in hindsight didn't really need a spoiler tag anyway

>>85609909
You thought you were being all Real And Shit Like Woah Can You Nerds Handle My Truth Bomb so you kind of needed the spoiler tag to complete the effect.

>>85603834
I'm watching this just for vambre, and I'm pretty sure that's how 99.9% will be.

>>85609392
>>85609745
I don't think he's trying to be quirky, I think he's just extremely wordy. Same thing goes for that Scalie Schoolie guy. I don't know if it's better or worse that Carrozza is aware of that.

What I've seen has been completely devoid of humor I can understand. Then again I'm 25 and have no place in the world anymore. But I'm happy for Egoraptor getting a recurring part in it.

>>85597878
I kinda like it, but slower pace is very welcome, and removal of the LOL LAMO RADUM humor.

But otherwise it has potential.

>>85599330
>>85599346
>>85599355
I love how each of the designs get progressively worse. The chick is hot, tho.

>>85597819
...Slayers?

>>85610480
I'm glad you brought that up. Nobody has mentioned this so far.

>>85599346

3rd Vambre is best.

>>85597848
>>85600122

The original sorts are 3 minutes, so maybe with 11 minute shorts the plots won't be so compressed.

>>85597819
just watching the commerical
the voice acting and sound effects really annoy me, sound so phoned in

>>85609745

>A man hates his inspiration.

Here's some advice dude, never meet your heros. The people you look up to are just that, people, and people suck.

source: experience.

>>85609873
>"But let's be real, if a hetero guy and girl are close and neither are in a relationship they've thought about getting together at least once. It's unrealistic to assume otherwise."

Maybe. But there is also such a thing as preferences. I know for myself that I'm picky as fuck.

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>>85599346
Damn, they gave her thick thighs.

>>85599330
I wish Prohias was still a sorcerer. A warrior/sorcerer duo would be better because their abilities would contrast

>>85611500
God these are so tiresome

>>85611500
Who hurt/blinded this person

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>>85611500
>purple and magenta are primary colors

>>85611500
Dubs confirmed

Again, this show is spoofing the fantasy genre's Magic sword obsession. It's a spoof of that specific thing and thus it's permissible that the heroine looks like an existing character who WAS in part obsessed with getting THE magic sword of her setting.

It's bad and every virgin will only talk about the girl and her porn

>>85612176
You might be on to something
>>85610610

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>>85606102
From a dead webcomic. Put it out of your mind.

>>85597819

Well it's ugly and stupid just like you anon

>>85612222
I still want to punch Ian J in the dick with a swordvan because of how he treated his community at the end of that...

>slayers but with an extra layer of irony and 2009 newgrounds animation

>>85598898
no but the guy who did that IS getting a show

>>85612530
what are your thoughts on his work on Steven Universe?

>>85613269
I'm more prepared to not want him to be maimed for life due to his work on Venture Bros.

But I still want him to not be able to pee without the aid of a bag.

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>>85603903
>tfw only a few episodes can be found of this show.

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It's not as bad as you'd think it is just from first glance. It's gotten a chuckle or two out of me. It'll just fade into obscurity though, it's nothing even remotely special.

>>85613725
just like the loud house?

>>85611720
>>85611548
While the drawing itself has some innacuracies, at least the artist who made it (who can actually draw pretty darn well in her normal style, despite what tumblrites will tell you) has witnessed many of her own friends/aquaintences who had unique styles of their own have to lose their touch almost completely in order to fit in after going to CALArts.

I still think the majority of posts about "CALArts style" are cherrypicking to the nth dimension, but at least this one had the right reasons behind it.

>>85603892
oh hey Kyle, didn't know you browsed /co/

>>85597819
Now that is some bad character design.

>>85613777

Sure. Loud House looked like shit, ended up being watchable.

>>85614093
That's what I've been saying!

What happened to actually caring about animation instead of just slapping together some newgrounds-tier shit in flash "b/c we dont care xD its just a cartoon chill out nerd lmao. weed"?

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>>85613777
no, i gave Loud House 8 episodes. no laughs, multiple cringes, rule 34 is the only thing keeping the show alive.

>>85614346
You're so right! This is completely indicative of everyone in the entire world's attitude about animation! Kubo who? Anomalisa what?

>>85614635
Not that anon and you have a point but this kind of subculture of animation >>85614346 is getting noticably more prevalent. Even going as far as seeping into those terrible cereal shorts of all things. Thanks, Adventure Time.

>>85614696
There's always been a shitload of garbage in cartoons. In any medium, you're going to have to sift through garbage to find the good stuff. Why do you think people don't talk much about all the shit cartoons made to sell toys unless it's for muh nostalgia?

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>>85611500

please tell me this isn't plebcomics

god please no

>>85614805
Well, of course. I'm not arguing against that or saying anything like "the old days were so much better," there was obviously stuff back then that wasn't great or even good. I'm well-aware that even some of the stuff I liked as a kid is more of a guilty pleasure now, since I've been rewatching things lately.

I was referring to the "subculture" in particular of this specific tone/style of cartoon that anon mentioned, and how it's a popular trend right now. Not that it's new to have low-quality cartoons, and the decades past had trends of their own.

I think it would be interesting to make some sort of record of what was popular in each decade, but of course you'd have to consider budget, country, and whether or not it was being made for cash or out of passion. So it would probably be too convoluted to make.

>>85614346
>newgrounds-tier
>Implying there weren't amazing animations on newgrounds

It's thinking like that that persists the percieved problem. People haven't stopped caring about animation, Adventure Time just kickstarted the recent trend of simplified art styles.

The problem is people like you spend more time bitching about how "no one cares" instead of supporting the animators who are making something different to the current trend or producing something of your own.

Personally I don't mind this current AT style most of the pop shows are going with, I can enjoy it and still love the more grimy grittier looking 90's shows I grew up with just the same. But soon this trend will run it's course and something different will replace it.

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>>85599330
>>85599346
>>85599355
Kill me literally.

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>>85611548
>>85611720
>>85611751
>>85612000
>>85614983
>>85611500
I seriously don't know which is worse, idiots who call everything they don't like in cartoons "calarts" and blame everything from the fall of western civilization to the dinosaur extinction on them, or idiots who take personal offense when someone insults calarts, almost as if they've got a a shitty calarts degree and are overly defensive about it.

>>85613849
This wasnt made by plebcomics. Straight up. Like even the writing doesn't match the style in hers, its literally trying to ape that already tiresome shit in hopes if /co/ brownie points.

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>>85615870
Oh.

I'll eat crow then.

Also what is the point of making such a clearly inflammatory drawing if she's gonna back peddle with that description?

>>85615910
Because for a board that screams "tumblr!" as much as /co/ does, /co/'s also quick to put people on a pedestal.

>>85615910

to be quite honest i don't really understand what the hell is she talking about on that second paragraph, is she blaming the software, the people who use it, the industry, CalArts?

>>85616106
It reads like someone who actually takes some of the talking points from those "CalArts style" posts and haphazardly slaps them together to form a disclaimer for something clearly trying to make a "le CalArts style xD" joke

Any "/pol/!" or "tumblr!" accusations aside, she just seems really bitter especially with all those parody drawings. I don't get this board's fascination with her.

>>85615910
I guess you could call it backpedaling, but I do appreciate that she is decent enough to explain why she does what she does, even if tumblr will continue to ignore it (like when she includes sources for pretty much all of her comics that often quote them word-for-word, but people still accuse them/brush them off as "strawmen").

>>85616106
I think it's a cycle of sorts. The industry demands only such-and-such be used for making a show based on what they think the viewers want. Places like CalArts are guaranteed for getting you connections, but like making friends and appealing to certain people, they want you to fit a mold. It might not be blatant, but since animation in university is almost entirely group work, they'll want you to be able to draw in the same style as your peers so that your group projects avoid going off-model as much as you can. It just seems to be that CalArts has so many successful alumni, who all have connections, who all have some telltale similarties.

TL;DR
>the industry for it's standards
>the software for its limitations
>the students for caving in to fit the mold a little too well in order to be successful
>"what the people want" for wanting animation sooner and sooner at the expense of quality

It's a bunch of things, but I get that her paragragh got a little confused.

Source: I'm an animation student.

>>85616372
Forgot to add: that all being said, I don't like Kyle's style at all either, and I think it's only gotten less appealing over the years. Whoops!

Getting futureworm'd?

IE, Online cartoon getting an actual show?

>>85616488
futureworm wasn't pushed for years and have a creator who's an asshole. at least i don't think so

>>85614635
Kubo Tite?

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>>85614635
Tite Kubo? You mean THE Tite Kubo?

Why, this man is a legend....

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>>85610048

Yeah, taking a long time to get somewhere does come off as millennial quirky. It's actually a little hard to tell whether or not it comes from style, inexperience, quirk, or some mix of all three.

>>85616372

this is the part i don't understand, what the fuck is she complaining about exactly? she's like one of those teenagers saying "fuck da guvmint" that can't exactly explain what's is wrong with it and instead blame a nebulous conception they label as "the system", like she's bitching about people using that style

>but not because they want to use it, it's because they use ToonBoom to work faster for their projects on Calarts

>but it's not becase CalArts forces them to use ToonBoom, it's because the industry use ToonBoom

>but it's not because the industry demands to use ToonBoom, it's because ToonBoom shows are successful

>but they're not successful because they use ToonBoom, it's because kids watch it

>but it's not like kids demand the networks use ToobBoom, it's because the networks are profit based businesses

>but it's not because profits that they use ToonBoom, it's becasue Calart graduates use that style

>but not because they want to....

see? it's retarded, she might as well yell "damn you world, for being the way you are" and the argument would be just as empty and innocuous

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>>85611500
>quilty

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>>85603903
>>85613630
I have always wondered where that gif came from.
The scene it shows doesn't appear in any of the available episodes.

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>>85617067
How is this wordy

Have you seen other webcomics

>>85617104
Now that you put it that way, I guess she is kind of blaming that entire system, in a way that isn't worded particularly well.

>"she might as well yell 'damn you world, for being the way you are'"
>"world"

But that's the thing, it isn't the entire world that works the way CalArts does. It's just a strange an unfortunate thing that CalArts churns out these successes almost like mass-production, but we have to keep in mind that that's not how the rest of the world of animation is.

But THEN, at the same time, it's in America, in one of the best areas for connections in the animation industry, and the cartoons made in California are known and translated and distributed worldwide.

As an animation student who lives very, very far away from California, I try to convince myself that you don't have to fit these certain, ever-changing standards to become successful. That there are plenty of animators and creators that didn't graduate from there and are big today (ex. lots of people mistakenly think Rebecca Sugar went to CalArts but she didn't, and neither did Ian Jones-Quartey although I don't like his art as much as hers). But then I see how big Cartoon Network, Nickelodeon, and Disney cartoons are even from where I live, and all the friendships I'm missing out on by not being a third-wave feminist sjw like my peers, and I'm back at square one again. So the truth is, I don't know what to say.

^Spoilered for blogging/a bloo bloo

>>85611500
Is Plebcomics just full-on pandering to /co/ now?

>>85617686
Not that anon, but >>85617067 hurts my eyes because of the awkward spacing in the bubbles paired with that amount of words, even if they aren't that much for a single speech bubble each (though they are pushing it a bit). It makes me feel claustrophobic.

>>85617686
This is just ... ow.

>>85597819
this looks canadian as fuck

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>>85617686

There's a difference between "too many words" and "painting the screen with paragraphs of shit". Subnormality's hard to beat, yeah, but Scalie Schoolie still had too many words for its own good.

>>85617686
why is this even a comic?

>>85597819
It's literally nothing like slayers but just because vambre's design was inspired by one of the characters suddenly it's total rip off. Just goes to show that weebs are retarded.

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>>85617778

>But that's the thing, it isn't the entire world that works the way CalArts does. It's just a strange an unfortunate thing that CalArts churns out these successes almost like mass-production, but we have to keep in mind that that's not how the rest of the world of animation is.

It's an expression, i don't literally mean the world uses CalArts, i mean that her rant is so incoherent and empty that when broken down she's basically blaming the circumstances or, for lack of a better term, reality. There's no "point", argument or even a position in there. Just a slogan: "Shit's fucked".

I don't know how else to describe it but I think "shitpost" would be the most accurate denomination for this.

>>85618070
>"literally nothing"

I only watched two episodes of Slayers and this "inspiration" is just too blatant. >>85614953

Sure it has it's own gimmick with the blindbox swords, but it's not gonna last. And it feels like it wasn't made to last to begin with. That's what sticks out the most. It feels too quick and easy.

>>85617104
It's more directly complaining about how people go into the CalArts "Blender" if you will, where all their originality and fresh ideas are homogenized because of the system that exists almost entirely on it's own momentum. ToonBoom and Calarts are successful not on any individual merit, there are other cheap animation programs and other animation schools, but because they're established. Their original success was largely incidental and the industry continues to use them because it's what they've been doing for a long time now. They're not explicitly bad but if you let one school of animation dominate you innately push out alternatives and it gets tiresome because everything looks so similar. The CalArts style is a stereotype, sure, but all stereotypes are rooted in reality.

Like your post outlines, it's a viscous cycle that no one individual or entity is responsible for. Real world problems are rarely that simple.

CalArts shit is killin' me.

>all this CalArts shitposting
>a school Kyle didn't even go to

Only one person on the Mighty Magiswords crew went to CalArts, and it wasn't even for animation.

>>85617523
>>85613630
Dude, I watched it on Australian TV when it aired, it was complete garbage.

>>85618509
>calling it shitposting

It started with talking about the current trend in flash-y, "lolsorandum" styles with rounded teeth and how that came to be and grew from there.

Also Kyle comes off to me as one of those "I'm better than THOSE guys, look at my STYLE, doesn't it remind you of THE GOOD OLD DAYS" types, but his art is just as painful to look at, just in a different way.

You can lead us out of this tunnel yourself if you want, anon. What do you think about Kyle and his work?

>>85618509
But you have to admit, it has that kind of vibe to it.

>>85618387

Some of the most currently influential people on animation never went to CalArts; there's hardly more than 2-3 shows that fit her stereotype and even if it was somehow completely homogenized this has been the norm since the fucking dawn of animation, there's a reason why certain styles are immediately associated with a particular time period: round, black, animals with pacman eyes makes you immediatly think of the 30s; fit, muscular, characters with big jaws and toy-looking guns immediately makes you think of the 80s; antro animals with the 90s, etc etc.
Penn Ward pitted his concept of style when it definitely wasn't the norm, yet he was successful, same with Ben Bocquelet, so where's this supposed repression of creativity?

This takes me to the next question, what the fuck is point of ranting about something nobody in particular is to blame?

>>85612222
It has a fan countinuation

>>85618509
Also one of the animators graduated from nursing school. That sounds like a joke but it's true.

>>85618678
To earn 4chan brownie points.

>>85618678
>what the fuck is point of ranting about something nobody in particular is to blame?

Everyone does this with pretty much anything. Why? Because people like to complain. Nothing is ever good if it isn't perfect. And nothing is perfect, so people will continue to complain.

>>85618678
>what the fuck is point of ranting about something nobody in particular is to blame?
If no one is specifically to blame then chances are everyone is somewhat culpable. Again, real world problems are very complex and it's not like removing one individual/entity will fix everything, it doesn't work that way. Any sufficiently large industry has things it could be doing better, but most of those "optimizations", if you will, would require massive overhauls of how the whole industry does things. You'd have to revamp schools, the students in them, the tools they use, the mindsets of the teachers and industry pros, etc. It's a lot of work, but it would be beneficial. That's not to say that the industry in question desperately needs this overhaul, just that it would be better for it.

I don't mean to imply that CalArts is this massive monster that's suppressing creativity and I don't mean to imply trends don't exist, I'm just saying that there are valid points, and you don't need to specifically blame anyone to make a complaint valid.

>>85618678
Because we wonder whether or not this particular circlejerk will end, and what direction it's going to go in if it continues. Of course having connections is a thing that exists in almost every field of work, but this one cluster of them has gained a kind of infamy. I personally don't want it to last much longer, but it'll probably get worse anyway.

>>85618953
>>85619011
>>85619064

So she basically made a picture to satirize a situation that doesn't really exist and even in the scenario she created to bitch about nobody is the culprit other than "the circumstances". She memed a meme.

Im gonna come clean: this is my first time learning about plebcomics, is this her whole gimmick? because it honestly feels like she just took whatever opinion was wide-spread enough on 4chan and ran to make a drawing of it, then post it on tumblr with a passive aggressive explanation below and waited for whatever equivalent of (you)s they have over there.

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>>85619376
More or less, yeah.

>>85616547
I've heard nothing but nice things about Ryan, so I guess you got a point

>>85619376
Not the other anon but what part of "You can't blame a single entity for everything that's wrong" part did you don't understand.

Also, you seem rather upset.

>>85619451

>Not the other anon but what part of "You can't blame a single entity for everything that's wrong" part did you don't understand.

You're misunderstanding,her pic was about CalArts being the problem, yet the rest of her post is basically "well but really nobody's to blame"- Like if i lashed out at you because the weather was rainy but then immediately after went about how it's really nobody's fault that it's raining and rain it's not that bad, why lash out at you in the first place then?.

>Also, you seem rather upset.

What?

>>85612222

Is there an archive of RPG World anywhere? Can't ever find one.

>>85619376
>"is this her whole gimmick?"
No actually, she made this one >>85619423
a while back and has started making more again to rile up the teenage artists who can't think for themselves when drawing.

Normally plebcomics draws comics based off of whatever the latest nonsense from sjws are. At first glance they seem like strawmen and the same thing over and over, until you look under the comic and realise she left a "source" link that reveals that people have actually been that unbelievably stupid.

Her normal art style is actually pretty nice and she's good at making characters vary in appearance, even when they're throwaway ones. It's not perfect but when she calls out the tumblr artists who, artstyle-wise, just circlejerk off of their friends' styles and they say she "can't draw," it kind of baffles me.

She talks about her art evolving here, the end of the post being her more recent stuff (obviously). She obviously can draw. http://plebcomics.tumblr.com/post/149048085853/hey-i-just-wanted-to-say-i-dont-agree-with-making

That said I don't agree with her "guide to" drawings all the time. Especially the "sparklechild" one - I think that was just after seeing one too many liberal fanart interpretations of Frisk from Undertale.

Also I personally don't see the point in going that far to mess with people sometimes. Even though these guys do need to learn a lesson, it's not like they'll ever listen. And I wonder why I haven't heard of her taking up a serious job in art. It's strange.

>>85609873
>>>85609004

>[spoilers] But let's be real, if a hetero guy and girl are close and neither are in a relationship they've thought about getting together at least once. It's unrealistic to assume otherwise. [/spoilers]

Not all the time, however. I had a lady friend I was close to for a while, there was no attraction. We argued like a married couple, sure, and we just ran with the joke of being shipped by referring to each other as waifu and husbando, but we weren't into one another. She actually was my wing woman for a while. Works better than another dude, by the way. She's now engaged to a friend of mine.

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>>85611500
>purple is a primary color

>>85614983
it is.

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>>85599330
>>85599346
>>85599355

>that weird anime wannabe style that so many people used in the 90's/early 00's

Look back at that shit makes me feel uneasy.

>>85599346
>>85599330
Am o the only one that thinks these designs aren't bad?

>>85621997
Of course they aren't, they're direct ripoffs of Slayers.

What's the ETA on Lakewood?

>>85620055
So she's a person who thinks that drawing in a style that offends her should be a war crime and anyone who fails to agree with her on this is a mindless subhuman who "can't think for themselves". Or is that just other satirists trying desperately to make their satire seem like they have an actual point?

>>85622039
The posts themselves are a bit too heavy on the message, but at the end of the day it's just pointing out trends amongst young, circlejerking artists whose styles are sickeningly cutesy/try too hard to appeal to their peers, and betray some of the venomous things they say to those outside their clique.

It's not so much "offense," more like an attempt to bring this hypocrisy to light.

>>85622237
The hypocrisy in the fact that a style that offends her is too popular for her tolerate, or the hypocrisy in whatever hip new controversy that people use to pretend option 1 isn't what their rage is actually directed towards?

>>85622503
Neither, it's poking at the lack of effort and imagination it takes while the people who draw that stuff claim to be oh-so-original? It's not rocket science, and you're using the word "offend" way too liberally here.

She even made one mocking her own art before anyone else got the chance, pointing out the shortcuts she takes sometimes and other imperfections.

>>85617523
would you kindly reveal the name of this show?

>>85614346
Animation is expensive and kids stopped watching them, try to guess what happend

>>85600810
Honestly, I think it's fine so long as he doesn't have udders. That's the kind of shit that annoys the fuck out of me.

>>85615487
Purple and magenta aren't primary colors and that has nothing to do with my opinion on CalArts.

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>>85603834
Is this porn? PLEASE TELL ME THIS IS PORN! She seems like she's naked and bent over with an "I want you inside of me" look on her face!

>>85611500
I'd hit it...

>>85625421
Just look up Mighty Magiswords on paheal, there isn't even a whole page of stuff to look though.

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>>85597819

Ooooh golly! I'll stick around to see how it goes, given how the creator of this show is prone to chimping out at the sole sight of anyone having less than stellar opinion of his productions.

>>85622551
So she makes inflammatory drawings instead if actually offering advice or tips on how to find their own style like any normal artist will if there's trends they don't like being popular?

>She even made one mocking her own art before anyone else got the chance, pointing out the shortcuts she takes sometimes and other imperfections

That doesn't make up for the other drawings, that just cements she's insecure about her own drawing prowess and would rather stick to a comfort zone of "poking at" others rather than improving herself.

>>85627661
this

>>85627576
What a butthurt faggot.

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Oh gee, I wonder how they'll ruin Not!Slayers

Maybe they'll make Not!Lina gay, or have Not!Gourry be gay, or have Not!Amelia be gay

Let's throw in a few ukelele songs and have Not!Lina learn the value of selflessness and sharing while we're at it

>>85627800

There wasn't any of that in Frog Raccoon Strawberry.

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>>85600212
They say Record of Lodoss Wars is how all DMs want their campaigns to be, and Slayers is how all campaigns inevitably end up

Village under attack by Dragon? Fuck you I ain't saving shit until you pay me. Dragon being too big of a pain to destroy safely? I'll just nuke the village, I have my money anyways.

What's that? As a monk I have to be a "pacifist?" Jokes on you bro my Monk is a Princess and she uses "Pacifist Punch", also she'll murder someone for "dressing in evil colors."

What's that, there's an evil Magic Lord on the loose threatening to destroy the world? Fuck that guy, we're playing tennis

>>85597819
>Rip off Slayers

>>85627918
Shittily drawn Slayers by a Narcissist.

Can't wait for the show's fans to act like the Steven Universe faggots and call it a "homage."

>>85627902
The thing is that Slayers actually came out of an RPG campaign. The author was part of a campaign that was printed as a replay; essentially a write up of an RPG campaign, of Sword World, a system that's basically Japan's D&D back in the 80s, early 90s where one of the players took the basic world and tone of the replay and made the new main characters of his light novels the sister of the character he played in the replay.

>>85627951
>muh Chinese cartoons are pure and 100% ideologically pure!!!

Why are the anime posters on /co/ even more braindead than the entirety of /a/?

>>85628053
Slayers is western fantasy waaaaaaaaaay before it's anime. And I don't care if you think I'm "braindead" or not, just watch one episode of the dreck OP is shilling in this thread.

it's fucking horrid

>>85599910
because there's nerd and there's neckbeard, and roleplay fits strictly in nerckbeard territory

I'd kill for high fantasy played straight.

>>85608175
The Reward is great

>>85618387
>>85616372
Essentially, CalArts stagnates.

This has always been known, but 4chan's eternal fear of boogiemen led CalArt's homestyle to merge with their concept of "Tumblr" art.

>>85619376
Plebcomics is a turmblr artist that decided she was better off thinking her own and got shame mobbed for it.

She's rather vitriolic and does a good deal of kicking the hornet's nest but she's honest, and so far her stereotype parodies, perhaps except the very first, have been all spot on.

The CalArts machine may no be all encompassing but still stifles creativity in favour of getting connections, and that is something people sometimes disagree with.

>>85614346
>dissing newgrounds

get out

>>85628412
>Essentially, CalArts stagnates

No it doesn't. Students stagnate. Or hell, they skyrocket and improve greatly too. The advantage of CalArts over other schools is that its located at the heart of Los Angeles for connections and that it was established by Disney so most of the professors know their shit. Otherwise, its like any other art school where you have to make the most of it. There is no programming of "accepted styles" like meme peddlers try to push, there IS students wanting to cave into trends to sell however but again, the school is not responsible for that. Just as much as SVA or so on are not responsible for the alumni they churn out.

>>85628514
>there IS students wanting to cave into trends to sell however but again, the school is not responsible for that
>are not responsible for the alumni they churn out.

Nobody who took the conversation seriously talked about CalArts having a house style. They said the system calarts is part tends to stifle people's creativity in order to sell, and it has gotten infamous.

I forget americans don't see tertiary education as we see it in my country. We are at an impasse.

From were I stand, the school should actively discourage this behavior. Failing to do so is essentially bad rep for them.

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>>85597819
Izzat?

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>>85627576
a quick glance at his twitter he seems to be a more successful dobson

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>>85629405
It would appear he also jumped ship

>>85628967
>They said the system calarts is part tends to stifle people's creativity in order to sell, and it has gotten infamous

Again, it has connections, but that's it. Its bit being dictated by the industry beyond using the same tools that are typically used by it. In the end, you need to prove you have some voice for yourself when you apply, otherwise you're just turn down because of it.


>>85628967
>From were I stand, the school should actively discourage this behavior. Failing to do so is essentially bad rep for them

What behavior are you even talking about though? This started as "le CalArts style xD" to some roundabout way to blame the school but not really because ToonBoom or whatever JUST like that damn post.

What the hell IS exactly to blame here if its not CalArts but it kind of is, but its more the industry but also not really? This is exactly the same "fuck the system" roundabout shit that post is guilty of, and don't start the "lol, Americans" shit either, Gobelins operates at the same levels as most art schools do.

well its kinda shit rigth now, so who cares.

Is that Luna from Sailor Moon?

>>85599330
OH GOD ITS BEE AND PUPPYCAT ALL OVER AGAIN!

>>85599330
>>85599346
>>85599355

The first design looks like that faux anime bullshit popular in the late 90's/early 2000's and generally looks bad.

Second one is better but there's an off artificial "toony"ness to them that can look unappealing in motion.

Third and fourth are basically the same and look much better, the fourth ones are just simplified for animation purposes as expected.

I don't see it. The most recent iterations honestly look best. What's everyone bitching about here?

>>85620055
>Plebcomics
>good at making characters vary in appearance
Dude 2 skin tones lmao

>>85618587
I fully agree with you on Kyle's stuff.
I think that Chen reaction image with her 'not getting it at all' fits him pretty well regarding design sensibilities.

That's literally just Player 2 Lina Inverse, what the fuck?

>>85602619
I don't agree with this "enemy of my enemy is my friend" stuff that happens a lot around here. Yeah the dude hates John K, and I do too, but Kyle is an ass. We've had threads about all the dickish stuff he's done - People in the industry have shown their distaste for him, too.

>>85629405
Oh jesus, what the hell is that facial hair? He wouldn't look so awful if he got himself a proper haircut and a normal person beard. At least that way he wouldn't look like the unholy child of Dobson and Penders.

>>85629405
>>85629454
He looks like one those Jojo characters that are ugly, and therefore, die a horrible death.

>>85632523
>he's even doing the jotaro pose

>>85617067
If you're over 40 or under 13 you're a milennial as well.

>>85614635
>This is completely indicative of everyone in the entire world's attitude about animation!
Not the asians, the ones who actually do the animation for the west.

>>85632523
theyre all ugly

>>85632689
>over 40 or under 13
That aside, saying "you belong to this generation too!" in no way invalidates broad observations about things that generation has in common. I know /co/ is pretty autistic, but when people say something about the boomers, or gen x, or millennials, they don't mean literally every last one of them. You don't need to clarify that with a #NotAllMillennials hashtag.

>>85597878
>Take Slayers
>Make it bad
10/10 CN good job

>>85614498
I thought the exact same thing. Really confused as to why there's a big autistic 4chan fandom. But I remembered it's more or less just creepy pedophile/incest fans.

How could a Slayersfag do this? How could he make a piss poor copy of the GOAT fantasy series?

>>85634520
To make people like you piss and moan constantly.

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>>85630473
>chen
Bkub Chen doesn't even talk, dude.

>>85630473
>>85635798
>implying that's chen

>>85635840
Yes, both pictures are of Popuko, which is why I posted a page of Poptepipic.

>>85599910
There was a good d&d comic for a while there. Webcomics include Elf, Clandestinauts, and a lot of others. TV isn't likely to try this or do it justice though.

whos the target audience for this embarrassing shit?

>>85597819
it looks like the most generic thing i have ever seen