>after 20+ years, this superhero cartoon STILL hasn't

>>85596536
Spectacular took the mantle and won.

>>85596536
Brave and the Bold, son.

>>85596536
>this superhero cartoon STILL hasn't been topped
>if I write it on 4chan it becomes true

>>85596536

Bad bad bad.

>>85596553
hahahahahaha no
the shitty animation ruins spectacular

>>85597254
i actually liked it

>>85597254
A fan of Spider-Man TAS complaining about animation quality in another show is a completely meaningless opinion. TAS was ugly as sin.

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>>85597257
>>85597274
(You)
Spectacular was a mess.

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>>85597274
Your opinion is shit and you should feel bad for holding it.

>>85596536
I enjoyed it, but man oh man did it have problems.

>>85597312
I thought it looked great. The animation was smooth and the choreography was top notch. Compare the Sinister 6 fights to literally anything in TAS.

>>85597350
You only remember it looking cool like that because your memory has blocked out the action figure anatomy, cgi flybys, and animation that ran at like 5 fps.

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SHOCKER! I'LL CHASE YOU TO THE ENDS OF THE EARTH!

>>85596553
This.
The 90's Spider-Man had awkward animation, and even awkwarder voice acting in my opinion

>>85596536
It's fucking horrible. The obscene amount of censorship and the fact that it felt like it was always on fast forward make it a shitty cartoon.

>>85596536
Take off your nostalgia goggles.

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>>85597254
>>85597274
Spectacular had a bad art style, but great animation.

TAS had a nice artstyle, but terrible animation.

>>85597312
>>85597350
>It's a "retard doesn't understand the difference between character design and animation" episode.

>>85597820
Even then, that's objective. I thought TSSM's art was a refreshing break from all the Timm rehashing and faux anime styles of that time.

After 20 years I still don't know what a "radioactive spider glider" is supposed to be.

>>85597931
It was "radioactive spider blood".
The distortion just made it sound like there was another syllable.

>>85596536
I mean, it is true that there since hasn't been a better Spiderman cartoon.

>>85598387
Spectacular Spider-man was objectively better.

>>85598399
You're objectively as dumb as a rock.

>>85598409
Keep telling yourself that, nostalgiafag.

>>85597715
The voice acting was weird, but I bet half this board reads anything Kingpin says in his voice from the show.

>>85596536
Superior Spiderman coming through: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uMdh4DkslVk

Can someone tell me what makes TAS better than Spectacular?

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>>85596536
>tfw we will never have an adult Spider-man movie or cartoon ever again

Fuck Ultimate Spider-man for this.

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>>85597429

>The Spider-Man cartoon from MY childhood was the best

>No the Spider-Man cartoon from MY childhood was the best!

There we go, I just did the thread.

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>>85598434
Better plot, characters and art style mostly. Also, best girl is on TAS.

>>85598490
>Better plot
You wanna explain this a little more? You're not really saying anything. I could easily say Spectacular had better plots and leave it at that too.

>characters and art style mostly
This is completely subjective. It's not like TAS had amazing or even good character designs.

>best girl
ugh

>>85598434
The plot and characters in TAS are far superior.

>>85598532
You wanna actually explain how or?

>>85598523
>You wanna explain this a little more?
What is there to explain? TAS plots were far better and more memorable, so much so that Green Goblin and Venom adaptations since then have been following the show's version rather than the comics. Hell, even the comics have retconned Goblin to some degree.

>This is completely subjective.
No, it's not. Most of the Spectacular characters are a joke, TAS were far more adult and complex without being grimdark. The art style is obvious, Spectacular looks like shit.

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>>85597312
>>85597350
Huh. Are you aware that's an in between of a show that's really fluidly animated (which is not that janky looking to begin with and is only seen for a fraction of a second) vs a still of a show that's made to look good on screenshots but it's incredibly awkwardly animated and even worse paced?

Have you even watched Spectacular?

You should watch those two things in motion. In fact, have something from those two episodes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSEVO0ENSHY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dc7qFjuFlrc

>>85598613
Yeah, but the Spectacular designs is just so ugly and bland.

>>85598604
So your logic for why one is better than the other is seriously "A lot of people have used this popular cartoon's adaption of two characters so therefore it's better"

>Most of the Spectacular characters are a joke
A joke how?

>TAS were far more adult and complex
So this automatically makes something entertaining in your eyes?

> Spectacular looks like shit
TAS doesn't look much better. They're both shows with terrible character designs.

>>85598626
Better than the generic and too safe ones from the 90's cartoon.

>>85598644
Do you have any counter-arguments or are you just gonna end everything with a question?

>>85597820
I can't get over the weird 80s action figure anatomy. Mary Jane is built like a linebacker.

>>85598660
Can you blame me for trying to understand your incredibly batshit argument?

>>85597715
I think most of the voice actors did as well as they could with the voice director screaming in their ear, "SPEEDITUPSAYEVERYTHINGASONEWORDSPIDERMANHASNOTIMEFORSENTENCES."

Ed Asner was an excellent JJJ though.

>>85598644
>TAS
>terrible character design
kys

>>85598686
Name three good things about the character designs.

>>85598674
How is it batshit? Of course more complex characters and plots are better than basic ones.

>>85598604
I'll give you Venom, but how was Goblin anything like the show?

Also, if that's a measuring stick, then Electro from SSM clearly inspired TASM 2.

>>85598686
TAS takes place in a universe where everyone evolved football player shoulders because shoulder-tackles are the only attack you're allowed to do.

>>85598710
You haven't exactly explained how one is more complex and how the other is "basic"

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>>85598669
wat

>>85598711
>how was Goblin anything like the show

the split-personality gimmick

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>superiorfags will defend this

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>>85598729

>>85598604
Spectacular Liz Allen alone is better than any character in TAS. Eddie's abandonment/inferiority issues and the interpersonal drama between MJ, Peter, Gwen, and Harry blow TAS out of the water in adultness and complexity.

They also had the GOAT Norman.

If this is a thread for terrible opinions about Spider-Man cartoons, then I'll give you one of my own.

Spider-Man Unlimited is not that bad.
It could've used more villains beyond Knights of Wundagore (shit, the totally-not-Kraven episode was pure hype), but overall it was enjoyable and had an interesting setting.

I also love 2003 MTV Spider-Man cartoon.

Ultimate is probably the only Spider-Man cartoon I can't enjoy. Even the Amazing Friends is actually fun to me.

>>85598755
>there are people ITT who will argue Spectacular had better character designs

>>85598762
>I can't come up with an actual argument so I'm just going to say this post is bait

>>85598732
She's like 6 ft tall and the animation makes everything feel heavy. It's very awkward.

>>85598745
That was from the comics too.

>>85598780
I don't think anyone is arguing that.
I think most people are saying TAS didn't have good character designs either.

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>>85598755
>they will ACTUALLY claim that's better than this
lol

>>85598768
I like you. The MTV Spider-Man is fantastic and never gets any love.

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>>85598763
ugh, you teen drama faggots are the worst part of the Spider-man fanbase. you're the reason we're stuck with this shit

>>85597274
>Those horrible cgi uses in TAS
>The constant reuse of the same shots over and over
>Embarrasing recreations of classic storylines
>Venom had eyes
Do you also fail at life or just at b8?

>>85598801
TAS GG looked like a roided out Joker, so he was pretty effective as a villain. Spectacular was just silly.

>>85598729
Having overstuffed six-parters does not make you adult or complex.

>>85598817
Are you implying a big part of Spider-Man isn't the drama he has to deal with in his personal life?

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TAS' black cat gave me muscle-girl fetish.

>>85598808
I had a feeling that tried to tie it into Raimi's movies and that's why villains used are either low-tier or OCs like that girl who's "totally not Black Cat" or Russian mercenaries. It didn't stop me from enjoying the show, but I think it hurt it for many people.

And it also did the whole "Electro is a bullied spergy outcast on the verge of going on a metaphorical school shooting" much better than TASM2

>>85598849
When did I say that?

>>85598817
I personally thought it was too heavy handed, but you're crazy if you think it isn't an important part of Spider-Man's development. He's been juggling bitches and feeling bad about it since Betty Brant in '63. At least Weisman handled it well.

You have to admit it's better than Hydro MJ.

>>85598853
Drama is one thing. Teen drama is another. Most people forget or don't even know that Spider-man spent only 15-20 issues in high school. Almost all of his best stories are from his college years, yet they always go for the tween shit because of Ultimate Spider-man.

>>85598626
Well, I guess that's subjective?

It's very simple looking and the color palette was downright poor, but I prefer have those sleeker designs fluidly animated. I mean, compare the Rhinos of both shows. Spectacular's looks, feels and sounds like a fucking TANK, wrecking shit left and right and having the ground tremble with every step of his, and it certainly helped that even when Spidey was at his strongest he had trouble holding a candle to him, he always had to outsmart him. TAS' Rhino on the other hand was tripped and tossed around like a sack of potatoes, and he had to stop after ramming walls and fences, got stuck in walls after ramming them... and look at what Spidey did to him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCJg3DSW7Q8

I won't get into how much I prefer Spectacular's armored look over this one, that's just a buff guy in great tights, but I do feel most of the characters in TAS feel sloppily executed. Except for the Lizard I guess. Even Kraven, who's better written in TAS is a lot more fun to watch in Spectacular. My point is: that show has brilliant designs that compliment how characters were animated and felt, and I feel in TAS it was the other way around, they were designed to look good on stills and concept art but they look quite awkward when you see them in motion.

And it's not because it was an old cartoon, Batman and Superman TAS got so many characters so wonderfully right...

>>85598755
>>85598780
I do, I guess? It was very expressive, not to mention wonderfully acted and animated.

>>85598768
>Even the Amazing Friends is actually fun to me.

Does this show hold up? I have memories of watching it when I was very, very young.

>>85598881
see>>85598888

Also, I was always more for Black Cat fan, and in that respect TAS did much better than Spectacular.

>>85598900
I don't know if it holds up because I only saw it for the first time in 2008, but it was enjoyable. Not the best show Spider-Man show ever, but as a piece of dumb fun it works for me.

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TAS is the reason for my love of the Hobgoblin. He was so fucking awesome in the show.

>>85598950
It doesn't hurt that Hamill voiced him. He looked cooler than Norman, too.

>>85598646

You are aware that spectacular's style is the 00s equivalent of safe and boring, right? Anime and Bruce Timm are the only two things that seem to inspire action cartoon designers anymore.

>>85598908
Tastes vary I guess. I preferred SSM Black Cat since they got the core of her character correct and her VA nailed her lines and innuendo. TAS Felicia was forced hard into the role, her VA sounded whiny as hell for most of it, and the whole involvement with Captain America was unnecessary.

>>85598997
We'll have to agree to disagree, but TAS Felicia had much more character development. Also, Jennifer Hale sounded better than the Spectacular girl, though they were both good.

>>85598981
But SSM's style was inspired by neither and actually stood out.

>>85598908
College drama, teen drama, it's all the same. Personal drama is personal drama, and Spidey was always heavy with it until the eighties when the best girl won. At least Weisman took a fairly mature route with his drama instead of easy angst. It was watchable, even if I'd have preferred they went another way with it.

I thought the first 120 issues of Ultimate Spider-Man was easily one of the best Spider-Man runs.

>>85598981
>Anime and Bruce Timm
How is it like either of those?

>>85599034
>College drama, teen drama, it's all the same

It really isn't. I can tell you that from experience since I dated high school girls when I was in college.

Also,
>Mary-Jane
>best girl

>>85599051
Well, yeah, of course it's different in real life. In comics and other media it's all just window dressing for the same basic drama.

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>>85598981
Wha.

C'mon man, it looks nothing like Timm. Watch some TNBA or JL alongside with it and tell me it looks anything like it.

>>85598434
TAS is the far more ambitious show. It's highs are higher, but it also has far more crippling flaws, compared to the very neat, well polished, and solid Spectacular Spider-Man.

But TAS has huge plotlines spanning multiple seasons, dozens of complex storylines that intersect with each other in interesting ways, and a cast of 3-dimensional, well developed characters.

Spectacular's well written, but never really gets that deep into the characters and their struggles, comparatively. On a similar note, the voice acting. Spectacular's voice cast is solid, no one's really poorly cast, all function well. TAS ranges from god-tier to garbage-tier. Kingpin is voiced by fucking Roscoe Lee Browne who delivers a stellar performance and absolutely nails the roll, 100% the voice I read Kingpin in, and Mary Jane's voice acting is some of the worst ever aired on television.

At the end of the day, TAS is more like the comics. Big, ambitious, dramatic storylines that feel like a part of a much bigger universe (it had crossovers with other shows like X-Men and Iron Man), and long term character development and changing dynamics. This wasn't always a good thing though. Like the comics, tone was all over the place, censored to hell and back and often coming across as goofy and silly, but also getting incredibly dark and cynical at times. This is one of the darkest takes on Spider-Man himself we've seen in an adaptation. There's also, again, massive budget and censorship issues that plague the series.

Spectacular is much more small, self contained, and well polished. It's stories aren't as big, it's universe smaller, it's characters more simple, but everything is much more cohesive, and fits together in a neater, more well constructed package.

>>85598434
Nostalgia

>>85598729
Can someone actually answer this post?

>>85597744
>obscene amount of censorship

I'll never forgive Fox for making them change the Sinister Six's name to the Insidious Six when they had a fucking X-Men Animated Series character NAMED Mr. Sinister.

>>85598480

90s spider was what I watched when I was a kid but Spectacular is far better.

>>85597254
you

>>85598950
It's a shame he was based in on loser Macendale Hobgoblin and not based Roderick Kingsley Hobgoblin.

You can call it censorship, but I still think Morbius having lamprey mouths in his hands is way cooler than just being a normal vampire.

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>this bait

>>85596553
No because it was cancelled way too soon.

>>85597429
>>85598468
This is actually funnier when you realise that shocker could easily beat the shit out of anyone wearing the venom symbiote.

>>85596536
>How is this possible?
SPIDER BLOOD SPIDER BLOOD RADIOACTIVE SPIDER BLOOD

>>85600720
>But TAS has huge plotlines spanning multiple seasons

Not a very fair comparison, considering how Spectacular's plug was pulled earlier than intended thanks to Disney buying Marvel.

>>85596536
Bait harder. It's been overtaken by a lot of shows, mainly because it aged like milk.

>>85600720
>it's stories aren't as big

It was cancelled after two seasons, you dumb shit

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>No punching and kicking allowed
>No blood/killing/injuries or deaths caused by violence allowed
>No breaking glass allowed
>No use of the word “sinister” allowed
>No guns with bullets allowed
>No real vampires allowed

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>Frog mouth.
>Snake eyes.
>Butt head.
>Weird red shine.

Why did TAS's Venom look so fucking weird?

>>85603169

The 90s Spider-Man cartoon was made for preschoolers. Usually with cartoons, there's a "preschooler version" and an "older kid version" running side by side. Like how The Real Ghostbusters and Slimer ran simultaneously or how Transformers Prime and Rescue Bots ran at the same time.

For some reason, they made the preschooler Spider-Man cartoon without making a version for older kids.

tl;dr 90s Spidey cartoon was made for literal babies.

>>85603169

So how many characters on TAS "fell into a vortex" as a cheap means to "kill them off" without actually killing them?

>Norman
>Venom
>Carnage
>Spider-Carnage
>Mary Jane
>The Spot (lololololol)

Anybody else "fall into a vortex" at some point during this fucking show?

>>85600720
Okay, so in the first 26 episode of TAS, are its storylines bigger and more complex than SSM's?

90s Spider-Man was more of a horror show than a superhero show. Remember Morbius,Vulture and all the body horror?

That being said,it was good.

>>85605913
>Remember Morbius

How could I forget?

He was in about 40 episodes.

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>>85597254
>the shitty animation ruins spectacular

here's your (You) fucking retard

>>85606666
he means art style and character designs.

>>85598755
This was the only series where I actually liked Gob.
He was a little too Joker though, but man he was so much fun.

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>>85606740
then he should have said those things. :^)

besides, I like the TAS as well but everybody had the same bodytype. In Spectacular, everybody had their own unique body type. You can actually see that Rhino or Venom is bigger than Spidey.

>>85603258
He looks better like that.

Is it odd that my favorite part about this show /was/ the flaws? I mean, the shitty budget and the unnecessary censorship gave this show a specific style to it that I honestly think made it better. Also, it had some good ass arcs to it, not to mention it made spider verse before spider verse came out and did it better. Hell, it's basically the only animated Secret Wars movie we ever got if you play all the episodes back to back. And what about Chris Barnes? Easily the best Peter Parker we have /ever/ had. Wouldn't mind seeing this get a continuation, maybe on Netflix or something where the stakes aren't high and Marvel has no need to censor it up the ass. Or at least Bring Chris Barnes back to play Peter.

>>85598604
>You watch shows made for 5 year olds!
>unlike me, I am an adult and i watch shows for 10 year olds!

>>85606981
>maybe on Netflix or something where the stakes aren't high and Marvel has no need to censor it up the ass

I thought you liked the flaws? Make up your mind!

>>85606831
you can see that rhino and venom are bigger than spidey in the 90s series too. I'm not really sure what you mean.

>>85607032
I do, but I wouldn't mind seeing a few punches here and there. Keep the badass laser guns though and all of that, if anything those make more sense in a world like the Marvel Universe.

>>85607035
He means they don't all have 1980s Schwarzenegger physiques.

>>85602914
>>85603125
And TAS had bigger plotlines in it's first two seasons, and had set up larger ones for down the line.

>>85596536

>Still hasnt been topped
>was a great, but still only 3rd best cartoon superhero show of the 90s

>>85607108
>And TAS had bigger plotlines in it's first two seasons

Were they good?

>>85607203
Yes! The show didn't start being shit till season 4

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>>85597429

SHOCKERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

>>85607108
Wasn't Spectacular's symbiote arc an episode longer than TAS's?

>>85607290
I've always really loved the 90s symbiote design. I looks smiley with the light reflecting in the blue and red highlights.

>>85607203
Yeah.

Season 1 less so with the plot lines, but Season 2 did a ton.

Spider-Man begins mutating further, and has to seek a cure through neogenics, which was set up in Season 1, in searching for a cure accidently creates Morbius, who has his own plot thread that ends with Blade being introduced (and these two will in turn later come back to team up with Black Cat when she leaves the show in the end of Season 4), Spider-Man begins to interact with Kraven again who will become a recurring character, after he was introduced in Season 1 with a similar neogenics plot thread, he does a cross over with the X-Men, which introduces a character who will become Kingpin's replacement for Smythe, after Smythe's plotline that started in the second episode gets resolved, then they combine that with an arc where they adapt the Time Tablet story, which is then used to introduce Vulture who teams up with Scorpion (introduced in Season 1 along with neogenics). Lizard has a plot line in there as well involving him getting cured through neogenics time tablet stuff, and his plot line continues throughout the show.

Seasons 1 and 2 also set up a lot with The Hobgoblin, and pre-Green Goblin Norman Osborn (along with Harry obviously), establishing Norman as providing tech for the Hobgoblin and being bankrolled by Kingpin. It also introduces Felicia Hardy before she's Black Cat and goes into her backstory and family history, which doesn't become important until Season 4, and that in turn ties in with the Captain America backstory, which itself will come into play in Season 5.

And this is leaving out all the stuff with Peter's own character development, and love triangles with MJ and Felicia/Black Cat, and quite a few other cross-overs, or Wilson Fisk and Peter Parker's relationship which comes into play quite a few times after being established in Season 1, and a whole bunch else.

cont.

>tfw downloaded 90's Spiderman recently
>About to watch it for the first time in like 15 years

I cant wait

>>85607539
>Seasons 1 and 2 also set up a lot with The Hobgoblin, and pre-Green Goblin Norman Osborn

Why did they have Hobgoblin come first? Was it a marketing thing because Hobgoblin was more recent?

remeber when spidey wore webs on his armpits?

>>85607539
Which isn't to say that Spectacular didn't have anything like this.

The show did do continuity as well, Eddie Brock and the Osborns were introduced well before they became villains like TAS, Spider-Man has an ongoing relationship with Tombstone, there's also a sinister six arc with previous villains teaming up, but nothing of the ambition or scale as TAS, nothing that gave the same sense of being part of a much larger universe, with dozens of different stories constantly crossing and intertwining and paying off.

And TAS had a lot of problems, it was a mess in more ways than one. But surprisingly, the story wasn't a clusterfuck. It did an outstanding job of managing all it's plot threads and characters, keeping them consistent, logical, non-convoluted, and striking a good balance between things being plausibly intertwined, but not TOO intertwined, giving a great sense of a large yet cohesive universe.

>>85607638
They fucked up, it was supposed to be the Green Goblin but the production team got confused.

>>85607644
Remember when Spidey mutated into a Spider Monster?

>>85607638
No. The show was at one point going to tie in with the James Cameron movie, which thank god never got made (from what we know about it it would have been REAAALLY awful), but the James Cameron movie was going to feature Green Goblin, Electro, and Sandman, so they were offlimits.

They wanted to have a Goblin though, so introduced Hob Goblin.

Plans eventually fell through, so they were able to use the Green Goblin after having built him up for two seasons, and they did eventually technically use Electro in Season 5, but he was very different from his comics counterpart. Sandman never showed up, which might be because they used Hydroman instead, and their powers are a bit too similar.

If you ask me though it worked out great. Hobgoblin hiring Osborn to make his tech, and then Osborn going using gear he made for Hobgoblin post going crazy made sense, and added a certain weight to the character. It honestly makes more sense than the Hobgoblin coming after the Green Goblin.

Black Cat artificially growing her muscles based on super soldier formula was so fucking weird.

The Sinister Six episode was hilarious in the beginning. Kingpin somehow made a Spider-man robot who was as athletic as the real guy.

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>>85607739
How could I forget? It was awesome.

>>85596536
>Spider-Man can't punch anyone
>The end of season 1 was edited badly due to 9/11
>Guns are lazers

That's what's holding this show back from being the greatest.

However, I did like the relationship between Spider-Man and The Punisher. I also think this was the last Marvel tv show to have a white Nick Fury.

>>85596536
kek

>>85598888
People also forget Peter had no friends in high school.

>>85607751
It's funny, I don't like this show but the more I learn about it the more I see that most of it's problems were out of it's control. Perhaps it could have been good even great if the odds weren't against it. Plus there are things I liked from TAS: I liked the whole "Peter becoming unstable" idea though him turning into a giant monster kinda ruined it, what they did with Hydroman was very interesting, and despite the censorship they managed to do a good job with Carnage.

Overall, it's nowhere near the worst Spidey cartoon out there. If anything it's very far from that title.

>>85608206
Was there more than one episode with the punisher?

I remember the one where Pete turns into the man-spider which involved a subplot that referenced the 1993 attack on the world trade center, which stopped being rerun with the rest of the series after 9/11/2001

>>85608206

>Spider-Man can't punch anyone

he punches a lot of people

>>85608361
In TAS?

Are you sure?

>>85608361
The only character he tries to punch is the spot, and it don't think any of the punches actually land.

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>No one remembers Japanese Black Spiderman and his neverending fire escape battle with Black Widow

>>85608351
Yeah. Mary Jane's mom or grandma or whatever asks him to find Mary Jane for her because she's in denial about her being almost certainly dead. He connects Peter to it, as well as Spider-Man and Green Goblin, and ends up thinking that Peter is the Green Goblin (at this point Harry has taken up the mantel).

He ends up calling it off when Mary Jane shows up on the doorstep with amnesia, we don't see him again.

It's not actually her though, it's a clone developed at the insistence of Hydroman (who himself is technically a clone of the original Hydroman, and madly in love with Mary Jane) who escaped, but she ends up being unstable and dying not too long after marrying Peter. The real Mary Jane is never found.

>>85598523
>I could easily say Spectacular had better plots and leave it at that too.
In fact you haven't said anything that makes Spectacular better.

>>85608466
Oh right, I remember that now.

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>>85606869
Capcom Venom is the GOAT, don't even pretend.

>>85608441
That's awesome, is there more of him?

>>85608543
The MvC artist was great. An animated series with them doing the character designs would be nice.

>>85605913
Vulture becoming that spider monster scared the shit out of me.

>>85608441
Are any of the Marvel Anime shows any good? All I know is that the Blade one had him saying "Motherfuckers always trying to skate uphill"

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>>85608586
>wanting Bengus to do even more work
After the shitshow he did in SFV? Not a chance. And even before that, I wasn't a big fan of his work anyways aside from Alpha and Darkstalkers.

>>85608473
Because I never said or implied one was better than the other. I haven't given my opinions on Spectacular at all.

Can you read?

>>85608543
>>85608695
I never understood Venom's green slime. I get that it's there to look cool/menacing, but is there an actual reason for it?

Did any Spidey cartoon have any sort of original plot or was everything pretty much adapted from the comics?

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Did Green or Hob Goblin ever get the goofy giant glider extension on the comics?

Man that shit looked stupid

>>85608441
>Marvel Anime

Is this a thing??

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>>85608736
I doubt it's anything but to make him look cool/menacing.

>>85608796
How did you sleep on the Wolverine, Blade, and X-Men animes?

>>85608794
i think it was just there to sell toys

>>85608825
Sorry, I don't frequently lurk here, the last Japanese Marvel thing I remember was a failed kid show and an amazing artbook. Are they on nyaa?

I NEED PLAAAASMAH FELEEECEEEAH!

>>85608543
Too bad he was trash in MvC. Well Red Venom was OP in 1.

>>85602349
>rapid air vibrations
>sonics, fire
You're gonna have to explain this to me

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>>85608441
jesus that's terrible.

>>85608768
Sure. TAS had a lot of original stuff, most of Season 3 with the goblin wars and portal plot was mostly original, little bits and pieces were adapted, but the plot as a whole was original. The show did a lot of that, taking little bits and pieces from the comics and adapting them into larger stories.

Unlimited was basically pure original.

Most of the MTV series was original, though various episodes did use comic stories for inspiration, some more heavily than others.

Spectacular introduced a decent amount of it's own stuff, though it also based a lot on ultimate.

>>85608958
Probably.
I really wouldn't bother with them. They're not good at all

>>85609176
I really loved how his symbiote suit transitioned from the movie version to the comic version overtime, as it's effect grew more pronounced.

>>85608441
Which show is this from?

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>>85609219
It's the little things in life.

>>85609188
Quality aside, that webm got me curious.

>>85609165
"Sonic" means sounds. Sounds are air pressure vibrations.

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>>85608549
>>85608638
>>85608796
>>85609242

Marvel Disk Wars

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_Disk_Wars:_The_Avengers

Essentially it's Pokemon/Digimon except with Marvel heroes and villians.

Didn't get talked about much on /co/ because any threads would be deleted.

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Still the best Kingpin

>>85607108
>and had set up larger ones for down the line

So did Spectacular.

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>>85609165
>>rapid air vibrations
>>sonics

>sonics

>>>>>>rapid air vibrations

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sonics


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>rapid air vibrations

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sonics

>You're gonna have to explain this to me

>>85610160
>Still the best Kingpin

...and Rhino

>>85611708
>Kraven and Lizard swamp smackdown never

>>85612220
lel I remember this meme

>>85596536
The 80s series ruined the symbiote forevermore with it's shitty drug analog.

>>85597715
Maybe but for most of those characters the TAS voices themselves are so on point that it's hard to read them in anything else. Spider-Man himself, MJ and Kingpin especially. Likewise Asner is a superior JJJ to Simmons. Simmons sounds like a fast talking newsman but Asner's gruff cigar chomper voice is way closer to how the character should sound.

>>85601937
Kingsley wasn't revealed as being the Hobgoblin until basically right before the show ended and there wasn't really anything there for him as Hobgoblin before that beyond obscure hints from the '70s. They were forced to use Hobgoblin which meant it would either be Macendale or Leeds although given the way the show seemed to more heavily draw on the '70s and '80s era of Spider-Man I'm surprised they didn't use Leeds.

Also they really dropped the ball on Richard Fisk who would've made a great regular character to use in place of the Punisher IMO.

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>>85613509
This. Symbiotes dindu nuffin

>>85606981
>Hell, it's basically the only animated Secret Wars movie we ever got if you play all the episodes back to back.
I really don't like that in all honesty as that stuff always felt a bit out of place. I would've rather them adapt Maximum Carnage as the big "a bunch of heroes team up" story.

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>Pissed me the fuck off that it ended it a open ended cliffhanger bitch you better let him fun MARY fucking Jane
>And didn't he due in spider verse cause if he didn't than he definitely died In Secret Wars
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=muXld0ECq3w

>>85615013
Didn't Slott fuck up the universe designations for a few Spider-Men? I'm pretty sure that Amazing Friends and TAS are still around

>>85615013
>And didn't he due in spider verse cause if he didn't than he definitely died In Secret Wars
No, Slott's a fucking idiot who can't even do five seconds of basic searching. He killed off Unlimited Spider-Man and then claimed it was TAS Spidey because Unlimited was a continuation.

It wasn't, Unlimited was a Spider-Man 2099 show that got reworked into being about Peter instead. They did the beginning of the first episode in the style of TAS but it's a completely separate continuity.

>>85615090
Slotts the writing equivalent of Semen cancer completely overrated and terrible but is somehow popular enough to get people readings his garbage still I don't Animated series Peter survived the incursions his universe probably died off panel or maybe he survived I. Secret wars then who knows what happened to him

>>85610160
>>85612220
And Peter.

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>>85603258
It seems his design was based on Disney's Chernabog, from Fantasia (1940). He looks like a Botched badly animated Chernabog.

>>85608796
Yes. And it sucked.

>>85615013
John Semper had a crowdfunding event for his animated short. He didn't get the goal, but he's still giving the few donors a book version about how the finale was resolved.

>>85603356
The spots girlfriend and the blonde chick with venom?
Also hydro got evaporated.

>>85596536
I'm assuming you meant that there hasn't been a better Spiderman cartoon, because otherwise you are terribly wrong. I liked it but it wasn't perfect. The animation quality could be spotty and the pacing was way too fast sometimes.

>>85615090
The begining of the first episode was really fucking bad, too.

It had both carnage and venom working together, operating without a host and both of them setting off Pete's Spider-Sense.

That's about as wrong as you can possibly get it.

>>85617564
Re-watching it as an adult I also felt the pacing was pretty fast, especially how quickly characters begin dating and then fall in love, but I have to concede that it's primarily a show for children and they get bored by that kind of stuff.

In terms of cape toons in general, Batman:TAS was already better in every way. Superman:TAS and then the Justice League shows obliterate Spider-Man on every front.
Spawn was awesome.
Batman:Bave/Bold was glorious for old school stuff.

Fox's Spider-Man isn't even the best Spider-Man cartoon , much less the best superhero one.

>>85598801
Animate that with the most stilted, artifact heavy animation since Filmation's day and WOW so superior.

>>85610160
Something I remember was when he said he was 5% body fat....I'll never forget that shit.

>>85617793
>Fox's Spider-Man isn't even the best Spider-Man cartoon
but it was spectacular was awful because it had a ass character design and a shitty theme song

>>85608736
>>85608814
Didn't Venom ate people? I remember he ate the brains of some dude once, the Green slime is probably yo help with digestion

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Best Venom.

>>85597931
>>85598374
To me it always sounded like "radioactive spider blogger".

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>>85603258
>>85615708

It's based on how he looked in a Spider-Man Christmas Special.

>>85603258
I think the red shine is supposed to be their explanation for why Carnage is red. Of course, in the comics, he's red because his symbiote is black like Venom's, but got mixed with his blood, but can't really do that on a kid's show.

>>85607638
>>85607751
If I recall, besides the movie thing, Hobgoblin was suggested to them because they wanted to make a toy of him. Despite all these factors, there was a writer that kept pushing for Green Goblin instead, but lost in the end.

>>85608695
>After the shitshow he did in SFV?
In fairness, everything about SFV except for the actual gameplay is a shitshow because it was rushed to fucking hell. It obviously needed another year of development.

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>>85597429

I loved STAS as a kid but I tried rewatching it last year and it was fucking horrible

>>85607751
>The show was at one point going to tie in with the James Cameron movie,

which was courting Arnold as Doc Ock, so that's why he was relatively jacked

>>85608206
>I also think this was the last Marvel tv show to have a white Nick Fury.

That was X-Men Evolution.

>>85624114
That explains the accent, too.

>>85600720
This guy gets it. There were some clunky deliveries, but overall SM:TAS had the better voice cast... which wasn't surprising, given how they more or less borrowed a couple of people from BTAS (Ed Asner, Roscoe Lee Browne, Mark Hamill, Efram Zimbalist Jr, David Warner, Rob Paulsen...) as well as voice actors like Jennifer Hale, Edward Albert and Tony Jay.

Anon is also right about TAS being more ambitious - it kind of snowballed in the last couple of seasons, where things got really fucking goofy, but at least they didn't end things on a damn cliffhanger like SSM did, and this is from somebody who loved SSM.
>>85598950
>tfw you assumed Hobgoblin came first in the comics, because that's how it was in the cartoon
>>85598997
Well, the Captain America thing was from the comics... sort of.
>>85606981
Barnes was Spider-Man Noir in the Shattered Dimensions video game
>>85608466
It was her aunt... voiced by Majel "Lwaxana Troi" Barret, of all people.
>>85610160
Michael Clarke Duncan comes a respectable second, of course. I still haven't watched the Daredevil Netflix show.
>>85616640
Wow, that's really nice of him!

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What's the best plot arc and why is it The Six Forgotten Warriors?

>>85624614
>The Six Forgotten Warriors
That's a funny way to spell "Sins of The Fathers"
>dat Edward Albert as Daredevil
>dat Kingpin backstory
>dat ironic twist as Kingpin realises he's perpetuating a vicious cycle of betrayal started by his own father

>>85609165
.......you cant possible be this stupid.

>>85596553
I liked both and wish someone would combine their best parts into one supreme spider-man cartoon

>>85624707
Season 3 was fucking outstanding

>Daredevil/Kingpin arc dealing with their fathers
>Norman and Harry drama about the Goblin

honestly though if I had to pick the best arc it would be the Green Goblin/Time-Dilation-Accelerator arc. A lot of interesting villains and parties, all playing off each other, building up, all leading to the climax on the bridge.

And I mean, don't get me wrong, I see how a lot of people would be too upset about people 'falling into limbo' instead of just getting killed, but the show fucking made it work in the long run. It added a lot to both the plot threads of Mary Jane's clone and Harry's Goblin visions.

With MJ coming back, if we had straight up seen her die, we would have definitely known something was up, but her having just fallen into an unstable portal, it made you really believe she could have just shown up out of the blue with no memory of how she got there. And with Harry, the Green Goblin actually being trapped in inter-dimensional limbo made it much more unclear whether the Goblin visions he was having were actually really the Green Goblin talking to him, or just hallucinations coming from stuff he repressed about his father.

Season 3 = Season 4 > Spectacular Spider-man > Season 2 > Season 1 = Season 5
Five got weird and silly and over the top, but also had really good individual moments and character resolutions, where as 1 was more polished on the whole, but it's high points weren't as high. Seasons 3 and 4 are by far the best though.

>>85596536
I like both this and Spectacular about the same.

THE CHECK'S IN THE MAIL, BABY!

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>>85624707
Also:
>dat twist where it turned out Jameson had Peter's back all the time, but didn't let him know because it would hurt his image as a cranky fuckface

I would love Ed Asner to read some classic Jameson dialogue.
>>85626136
>dem rankings
Sounds about right.

>>85626555
As great as Simmons was, Asner will always be the voice I read JJ in.

>that episode where JJ and Wilson Fisk are both trying to pay for Peter and MJ's wedding, and keep buying him increasingly lavish and extravagant gifts to outdo each other

>>85627274
I thought it was great how Fisk actually had a good relationship with Peter Parker, and even when Peter knew the truth about Fisk, Kingpin knew nothing at all about Spider-Man.

>Spider-Man is a scientist!?