>friendly and helpful side character >SURPRISE TWIST >four

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>>85581707

But King Candy was established as an asshole from the very beginning, OP.

>>85581707
King Candy wasn't super friendly or helpful
It was obvious he was going to be a villain, but the only way you could have known about TURBO is if you made a pretty good guess about the foreshadowing/role King Candy had in the movie

Everyone else, yeah, good point

It's baffling they keep doing this, since it deprives disney films of one of their strongest points: the villain song. In b4

>"Love is an open door is the villain song "

It isn't. That movie has more rewrites than a suicide note.

>>85581707
Who's the guy on the bottom left?

>Alan Twodick has been in every Disney movie for the past 5 years
>was directly related to the villain reveal for 4 of those
For what purpose

>>85581707
King Candy was obvious as fuck, though.

>>85582020
Professor Callaghan, "Big Hero 6"

>>85581999
Frozen was the only musical to do this

>>85581999
>It isn't
It's the only song the villain sings
it's a villain song

>>85581707
King Candy was a highlighted as the villain from the very start. His true identity was the twist.

>>85582105
Not really. We had a million Break-It Barry threads after it aired and a lot of people said they almost believed there wasn't going to be a real villain. King Candy may have seemed obvious to you specifically, but at the time the twist actually worked.

>>85582105
Yeah King Candy actually being Turbo was obvious as fuck, who didn't see that coming?

>>85582211
No, it's the song they had and never bothered to replace when halfway through production Hans became the villain. It's a villain song in the same sense that Wagner is a nazi composer.

>>85581999
For the record, I think "Love is an Open Door" is at least a better song than "Let It Go". And so is "For the First Time in Forever"

Regardless, the others didn't really have any other songs. Zootopia has that one Shakira song, and BH6 just had Immortals playing in the background of the training montage. I can't even think of a song from Ralph. A villain song would have been weird in those three movies.

>>85582297
Eh, death of the author and all. Whatever the original intent was, Love is an Open Door does feel like a manipulation on repeat viewings. He's just telling Anna what she wants to hear

>>85582434
>I can't even think of a song from Ralph.
"When Can I See You Again" and "Sugar Rush"

Both in the credits, so I'm not sure if they count.

>>85582093
>His name is Twodick
Ahahahaha oh jesus

>>85581707
This is exactly why I was expecting Hank and Bing Bong to be evil

>>85582253
I knew he was a sleazy motherfucker, but at the time I didn't know he was Turbo and that he had hijacked the game to fit himself in.

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>>85582770
Honestly not that all on-topic but it's just so satisfying to hear a song in a movie after you've learned about the twist, you notice all those little indications that something's not quite right. I love that so much.

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>>85581999
>We'll never get a Bellwether villain song

When was the last time the sleazeball character didn't turn out to straight up be evil? When was the last movie to have a character go "Even a jackass like me knows to fight true evil" or however that line goes.

>>85583382
Rocketeer.

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>>85583224
What would she even sing about? Politics?

>>85583431
Safe spaces.

>>85581707
To be fair, Liam Neeson isn't really a helpful side character, as he fakes his death like ten minutes into the movie and doesn't come back until the last 20 or so.

>>85583382
Big Hero 6 actually had a sleaze-ball character to be the red herring villain.

>>85581813
It's weird. I feel like, in retrospect, the Turbo reveal was super fucking obvious, but at the time it blew my fucking mind.

>>85581707
Every one of those movies had Alan Tudyk in them somewhere.
Coincidence?

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>>85583431
It would probably be about how the lion mayor mistreated her and how she'll be all powerful as mayor and laughing maniacally.

I actually didn't see her being the villain because Bellwether was just so damn cute.

These two guys are basically the same character and both of them turned out to be the helpful guy at first who then turned into a villain and were killed.

It was a twist in "Inside Out" when Bing Bong turned out not to be a villain after all, I was certain he was going to become a villain when I first saw him.

>>85583513
Hindsight is 30/30

>>85583611
IO didn't exactly have a defined villain in it, though. The conflict came from a bunch of shit going wrong at the wrong time.

>>85583569
He's going to be in the new Star Wars, I wonder which brave rebel fighter will be revealed to be a filthy traitor...

>>85583642
The real villain was humanity all along.

>>85581707

Whose the guy on the bottom left

>>85583708
professor from big hero six

Place your bets on who the """"villain"""" of Hawaii waifu is going to be

>>85583755
herself

>>85583513
Why would they bring up this whole backstory on Turbo if it wasn't going to be relevant?

It was very obvious.

>>85583755
me smart white man, you dumb savage make way for me

>>85583642
>>85583684
In one of the early concepts, the villain was going to be an entity called Gloom or some shit like that. Basically personified depression; but I think the movie was better off without it, and instead showing depression as the mind world getting more and more dull rather than have a set villain.

>>85583755
A flamboyant spiritual creature

>>85583755
>That giant lobster thing is just going to be the supposed villain for a while
>Maui beats him out and sets himself as the true villain

>>85583755
Colonialism

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Frozen´s villain was by far the least convincing. Out of nowhere
>oh shit, we are halfway throught the movie and now we need a villain
>how about this guy?
>ok
What a stupid twist.

>>85582846
I forgot When Can I See You Again. Maybe one day he'll write good music again.

>>85583431
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3472Q6kvg0

>>85583955
We have a winner!

>>85583983
>I got rused by the mouse but I'm going to pretend my idiocy is someone else's fault

>>85581707
Thanks for ruining Zootopia for me cunt

>>85583983
It was, wasn't it?

I was expecting him to be the "we have to do this for the greater good" antagonist.

But nope. Just a jerk.

>>85584551
You should've watched it 5 months ago like everyone else.

>>85583983
>Kuck Le Meme
when will this fucking shit die!?

>>85583983
>Waahh Hans wasn't obvious enough!
>The guy planning to sneakily usurp the throne should have been twirling his evil mustache in front of everybody!

>>85582965
It's spelled Tudyk.

>>85583932
From his description he's A villain but not the main antagonist. Like King Louie or Madame Mim.

The villain of Zootopia 2 turns out to be Bellweather again, trying to take revenge on Nick and Judy for thwarting her in the first movie, and the entire conflict of the movie is done out of hate for Carrots and Dumb Fox

>fuck all the nobles, commanders, and regeants
>give that foreigner power because the slutty princess said so
>yeah, lets go hunt the queen because foreigners said so, fuck sending out our own men
>who ruled while Elsa waited to come of age? fuck that guy!

>>85583431
I'd like a sticcato number about the stresses of her secretarial life interspersed with sinister operatic bits about what she'll do "when there's no more work to be done" with multiple crescendos interrupted by the same patter of phone rings and fax machines.

>>85584784
You are aggressively faggy. Please make crystals in a stuffy closet.

>>85584988
Who the fuck was in charge anyway? How'd that never come up?

>>85585147
He was beheaded when her time came

>>85583772
Different anon, I never thought he could be King Candy though.
I thought they broguht him up just as an example of what Slam-It Steve shouldnt do.

>>85582253
Being Turbo was a cool twist but him being the Big Bad became obvious since his first scene in the movie.

>>85582253
I didnt. How was it obvious besides him being a dick?

>>85581999
>>85582211
>>85582770
>>85583221
So much wasted potential. There was a perfect time for a villainous reprise of that song, and it was when Hans was leaving Anna to die in the room. It could have reworked all of those slightly "off" lines into more explicitly sinister ones, and it would have ended with the line "Love is an open door... and this door is closed." with him shutting the door to end the song.

>>85583755

The Rock of course

>She's about to destroy her evil volcano relative

>Tells her she loves her

>Gets confused

>Big man Rock wants to destroy her because of his big ego of being a hero

>>85583932
>>85584961

If a villain is a pronounced villain, then they aren't the real villain

Voodoo guy from princess and the frog was barely in the trailers let alone look like a villain

>>85583983
I knew he was going to be the bad guy half way through "love is an open door"

>>85582253

Turbo had nothing to do with anything

They were simply referring to him as the situation of what Ralph could possibly fuck up

>>85585804

I like that Tiana's blonde princess friend was a genuinely good person

The set up could've just made her selfish, she was in that position and you could clearly see she wanted it

But nah

>>85583513
Probably because of the "reveal" that King Candy was bullshitting about Vanelope not being part of the game. It made you think that the twist was predictable and let your guard down.

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>>85581707
Make that 5.

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>>85585980
Is this guy the product of several generations of incest or something?

Holy fuck is he ugly.

>>85586134
Yes, but his hair is amazing.

>>85581707

wtf I hate zootopia now

>>85585147
shittiest writing in recent times

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>>85581707
At this point I'd settle withy grand mustache twirling son of a bitch villain or something like chernabog would it kill them to make a animated night on bald mountain or something it could still be full cg I just want more demon lord fucking people

>>85585886
Charlotte was the best. She was spoiled as fuck but she was never a dick about it. When Tiana got knocked over she didn't complain about her ruining it, instead she helped her friend and gave her one of her personal dresses.

>>85581999
>>85582434
>only Disney fairy tales get to be musicals
>all Disney musicals have to be fairy tales
Why is doing a musical in literally any other setting so bad?

>>85583983
The ONLY thing Hans needed to be an effective villain was a rant about how a woman who has never interacted with the people would be a shitty ruler, instead of sitting around gloating in Anna's face. He'd still be an arrogant jackass manipulating Anna just because he wants to rule a kingdom, but he'd have a bit more ambiguity because he's not entirely wrong.

>>85581999
A reprise of Love is an Open Door would have made a fantastic villain song, though.

>>85586134
Well he is a demigod.

>>85586417
Why would he care if she was a shitty ruler or not? He was going to kill her anyway.

>>85585147
I don't think Elsa and Anna were that much younger when their parents died. Maybe the kingdom just kept doing whatever they'd been instructed to do during the king and queen's two week trip until Elsa's coronation.

>>85586134
He's part god, so yes, probably.

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>TFW the last REALLY good Disney Villain was one from something not in-house.

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>>85585980
Looking forward to this movie breaking the pattern, actually. I hear it does have an actual villain song this time around. Hopefully from a lava goddess.

What would you guys think if they set him up to betray Moana but then didn't? Like set up for him to be a twist villain but then he's really not?

>>85586955
>a throwaway villian that was thought up randomly when the staff were eating nachos and thought it if right then and there
>"o-o-o-o-oh no it's a reference to the illumanti and he's actually a demon yeah that was our plan all along"
Lemme guess you think Steven Universe is actually a good and deep show right?

>People are seriously saying Turbo reveal was obvious

They explained turbo as a reference to what Dang-It Bobby shouldn't do

They implies that Turbo managed to get both his game and the competing game to go out of service

They never implied he still existed

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>>85587022

It is true though. He is way more interesting then the fags posted in OPs pic. Except Turbo who was the last decent Disney Villain though nowhere near as good as Dr. Facilier.

>>85587022
>eating nachos

He's the eye from the dollar bill first and foremost. They were going to make him green, but changed him to yellow. I mean, you can go ahead and complain about the show and the character, but he clearly really is a cheap illuminati reference.

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>>85581999
Daily reminder this is the last time Disney did a good villain song

>>85581707
Hans has potential to be good but wasn't in the film enough to really pull it off. That's more an issue with all the rewrites turning the plot into a mess than him in particular, though.

Turbo was fucking great besides his death being a bit lackluster.

I barely even remember the other two, and I actually liked those films.

>>85581707
Thanks for the spoilers asshole

>>85587258
as much as I loved PATF, and Facilier had a great song, he was a wuss. The worst he did was kill the hillbilly bug.

Turbo/King Candy was deceptive, practically brainwashed an entire game to become the ruler, was going to force Ralph to watch Vanellope die. I'd say also being hypnotized into a flaming spout of boiling water is a worse way to go than spirits dragging you into a portal.

>>85586134

That's what happen if you try to make a CGI Dwayne Johnson a hawaiin god

>>85581707
I think what made Belleweather's reveal a bit disappointing, was the fact that everyone called out on it as soon as the first promo pictures appeared.

>>85587681
Yeah, it might have been a much better reveal if not for that, and if it had come out before WiR or if the trend had never happened or something.

I wonder if audiences in the future who don't know the progression of the chronological order of the films will watch it and appreciate it more.

>>85586955
> LOLOLOL look at me I'm so deliciously EVUUL I want to destroy da world for some reason huehuehue

He's absolute trash

>>85582211
Let It Go was going to be the villain song. But the crew lost their balls and didn't leaving Elsa as a villain.

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>>85581707
To be fair, I thought Krei's secretary/assistant was going to be the villain the whole time, so I was actually decently surprised by Calaghan's reveal

>>85588290
I think you may have been the only person to notice... I want to say her? They have a very good androgynous look going for them, but a tad feminine leaning. I would either way.

>>85583772
I pegged it as world building and showing what was at stake given Ralph's BS.

>>85582973
But those are Pixar characters. All the ones above are from WDAS. Two completely different entities.

>>85588043

I still say Let it Go is a villain song. Elsa did more harm than Hans and the lyrics make her sound like a sociopath.

>>85581707
Yeah, I hate how much the "twist villain" is used now. It gives zero leeway to make the villain memorable or cool. King Candy worked, but partly because he was already an antagonist before the reveal.

>>85583382
Lionheart and the sleaze from BH6.

>>85588290
I was thinking the pilot in the other dimension got back and wanted revenge.

>>85588500
Definitely female, that's a blouse. Check the neck.

>>85583431
When you're only Three Feet Tall
Life has fewer sunrises than mobs
When you're only Three Feet Tall
You feel every shake see every sob

I bet it's a gilded sunny life
To be a big tall man, just like you
But down here when you're Three Feet Tall
You can see things as I do

I see the way we get along
If you can call it that at all
I see divisions wide and long
But not the ones we need to call
I see their teeth dig into flesh
But it's fine, because 'it's not your own'
And since I'm only three feet all
I see we're prey and ALL ALONE

When you're only Three Feet Tall
Your herd's the only thing that Ewe've got
But when you're only Three Feet Tall
This city makes SURE that Ewe have NOT

SO IF I'M ONLY THREE FEET TALL
I'M GONNA MAKE THIS LOUD AS I CAN ROAR

I AM HERE
I AM AWAKE
And you have no idea
What I've got in Store
I tried recording vocaroo but my mic is just loading static after the first try and I only got it right the second time

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>>85581707
I hate the "twist" in BH6. It's a murder mystery with two suspects, and one is so obviously a red herring from the get go that he's not even convincing for a second.

>>85586661
At least he'd be justifying it to himself, rather than suddenly turning into a cartoonishly evil moustache-twirling fiend.

>>85589313
>big tall man
What's a man?

>>85589575
a miserable little pile of secrets

>>85589608
I was really hoping someone would say that.

>>85581707
Seemingly unaligned or non-malignant characters as hidden villains is popular right now. Its because people are bored of the traditional "big bad evil" villains like Darth Vader and Sauron who are considered too classic and overplayed, and everyone these days is scared to touch comedic villains because when actually menacing they tend to come out like the Joker or similarly crazy.

It's an interesting concept because when you really think about it a lot of major events in the real world are set in motion by uninteresting and average people. A villain that was or still is an every-man is usually relatable and may even be trying to be a champion of the people but usually with corrupt means or perhaps hes only looking out for himself and certain people he deems worthy of saving.

>>85589708
Kylo Ren and General Hux were pretty straightforward bad guys.

>>85588997
I can picture a guy wearing a shirt with one of those collars.

>>85589313
You tried.

you guys can't actually believe that disney gives a shit about their movies right

>>85583611
Ifigured the sheep was the villain because she was acting a little too pathetic.

>>85589925
Kylo is still a punk even if hes powerful and scary in his fits of rage. I was referring to villains who are considered a big bad simply because they're a menacing and unstoppable figure capable of killing any protagonist as is. Someone like Arthas as the Lich King or Frieza from DBZ.

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>>85581707
>tfw King Candy did it first and did it best

>>85583989
I love Mobile Orchestr.

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>>85586134
Thought he was based on this guy

>>85588500
...that's Tadashi. He faked his death so he could live out his true life as a woman.

>>85590693

He did it best because his backstory was fleshed out onscreen enough for people to understand why he did what he did, so when he actually showed up you could understand and feel the menace.

The others basically said "lol jk im actually evil whaddup bitch" and we were expected to be floored by such a scandalous betrayal. I mean shit, do you have any proper understanding of why Hans did what he did? What about Bellweather? Outside of some blase comments about a past that we never get to see in action, their turnarounds come out of the blue in an exceptionally negative way.

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>>85590026
I think she's actually also that pathetic.

>>85583617
making the number higher actually makes it less clear.

>>85590746
You're weird. You're a weird person.

Let it go, op. This is Disneytown.

>>85590853
Hans did what he did in order to gain power even though he was already going to gain power and frozen is a bad movie

>>85590888
personal favorites


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MP6VjY4nOfI

and

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ga4F0_xGQI

>>85581707

>King Candy

>Friendly and helpful

Since when

The guy was a douche from beginning to end

The surprise of him being turbo catches you off guard because they pretended the lie was the twist

>>85590965

Exactly. Compare him to, say, Scar, who actually had a legitimate motive for wanting to usurp Mufasa AND had enough interactions with other characters to show that nobody really showed him any respect, so when he decides to stop fucking around and actually do something, he succeeds at making the audience understand why he kills his brother and takes over Pride Rock.

I'm not saying Scar being a bad guy was a surprise, mind, but if they had wanted to they could have easily made him play the good guy without any hint to the audience right up until the moment he kills Mufasa, and it would have still felt right.

>>85589323

Honestly the twist for me was big brother dying

Never saw that shit in trailers

>>85587022
Easy, don't drag /sug/ into this.

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>>85583611
I really wanted Bellwether to be good and subvert the trope but I guess they really wanted that wolf in sheep's clothing theme. I hope she gets some kind of development in the comic but I doubt it.

>>85589925
Force Awakens was essentially A New Hope, so that makes sense.

So anyone want to guess what the villain in Moana will be like?

>>85591391
Going from the image in >>85587002, I'm hoping for a female version of Hexxus from Ferngully only made of lava instead of pollution.

>>85591391

Maui will be the villain. The movie will build up how he's essentially been forgotten by the world, so he will use the power of the artifact Moana seeks out in her quest to attain full godhood and finally get the respect he thinks he deserves, even if it means getting rid of Moana in the process.

>>85591391
Herself. She goes out to prove herself and screws up something and spends the rest of the movie tring to make it right again.

>>85591637
Like in Brave?

>>85591035
I disagree with your taste, but I'm happy someone is supporting Adam, Ultraviolet makes me sure he still has some more to give, it's just a waiting game. He's been releasing too much back to back.

>>85591659
Yes, but better executed and the stakes are higher since would be an ecological disaster if not stopped.

>>85585674
>"Love is an open door... and this door is closed." with him shutting the door to end the song.
this is why you don't have a produced script

>>85590860
No, that's the role she plays in public life because she's a sheep.

The whole movie is about who you really are vs what world sees you as, so it makes sense. Judy didn't break, Nick broke, Bellwether successfully forced herself into a role but resents every moment of it.

>>85581707
Worst part about Frozen is that it didn't really need Hans.

It would've been sick if the writers weren't such pussies and just made Elsa the villain, but even beyond that, Hans felt so fuckin unnecessary. The story was standing fine on its own for the first 90% of the movie, his inclusion as the villain was so tacked on and meaningless.

>>85581707
but lil sheep was the cutest fucking thing
i was gonna draw cute things

but now i can't
damn bitch

>>85591850
>He doesn't want to draw her making out with pig warden

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What, no mention of Toy Story?

>>85581707
Yet, you're still somewhat surprised, so the trope is still worthwhile.

To be fair, the mere existence of a villain in zootopia is a twist.

>>85592319

In what way?

>>85581707
>Bellwether
>villain

>>85592084
Stinky Pete was a good twist.

Lotso you kinda already had a feeling (plus leaked merchandise kinda ruined it too)

>>85592974
this. Pete leaving his box was also a great way to reveal it.

In general I thought Pete's motives and characteristics made more sense than Lotso's. Lotso was cool anyway though

>>85581796
>>85581813
It was obvious until the scene 'Listen Ralph, if she wins the race, she could die.'
You could EXPECT him to plot twist after that, but calling it obvious is a bit silly.
I mean, if I had been Ralph, I would've listened to him too. He was kinda convincing.

>>85590865
Not if both numbers are raised. 20/20 roughly means "A line of letters at 20 feet is as readable as if it was at 20 feet to a normal person", essentially it's just saying your eyes aren't fucked. Poor sight would be 20/40, as in "a line of letters at 20 feet would be as readable as if it was at 40 feet to a normal person", so shit would have to be at half the distance for that person to be able to see/read it.

30/30, if it were a thing, would just mean "A line of letters at 30 feet is as readable as if it was at 30 feet to a normal person"

>>85592451
The fact that the sickness in artificial and there's a conspiracy wasn't really alluded. Before the very end it gave impression that it's more like a zombie plague or rabies.

>>85593793
I think that's what the twist was more than it was Bellweather behind it all.

I'm more upset with how Disney films rarely have Hero/Villain physical clashes.

Old school Disney had the heroes and villains brawling as there was a physical element. Now a days its a protracted stare down then the villain is defeated

I love the climaxes of Ralph and Big Hero Six but they seem to be rare. Now its

>IT'S YOU
>(Insert dialogue where the two finally communicate and show their different ideals(
>Que ultra quick resolution via outside parties interfering or something similar to that ilk

I love new Disney films but there are some trends I wish came back

>>85586191
Theres been chatter of doing a live action NoBM sadly

>>85587326
>good

I realize that you got understandably confused by her shaking her slutty green ass but her song was sub mediocre at best.

>>85581999
It foreshadowing how "love" isn't the goal but just an open door for the villain towards his own kingdom.

>>85593862
There's two of them. First is that the plague is anthropogenic (or mamaliogenic or something?)

Second is that, yes, Bellwether is behind it.

>>85581707
thankfully Inside Out's helpful side character was actually that.

I believed the false spoiler and was waiting for his betrayal all the way until I realized he was going to sacrifice himself ;_;

>>85594153
>Cmon, Joy, one more time. I got a good feeling about this one.

>>85590015
>you guys can't actually believe that disney gives a shit about their movies right
They'd sue you for your soul if you got caught pirating them, so to say they don't care at all is like saying the sun is made of fire.

>>85583983
It was clear some sort of issue would arise from Anna's love for Hans once she partnered up with Kristoff, especially after that dumb troll song.

The more upsetting twist is how unbelievably evil and manipulative they tried to sell Hans as right before the climax. Couldn't he have just been a misguided soul more interested in power than love who came across an opportune moment?

Elsa used to be more of the villain in previous drafts of the adaptation, but since Let It Go was sung so well, they felt the need to place the irredeemable blame on some other character.

>>85593293
I felt they tried too hard to make Lotso's backstory sad. I really liked Pete's backstory told through his own words while trying to finish off Woody, because while I definitely saw him as the antagonist first and foremost, his reasoning felt raw and understandable.

>>85582434

Shut up and Drive

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oh dont worry.

Moana is going to have some minor villains like Kakamora and singing crab.

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In Moana final boss is giant Vulcano Island angry at some settlers.

Hope his/her song will be cool.

>>85594275
I don't see why it couldn't just have a villain attain redemption and not force a bigger bad that is supposed to be beyond saving. Is it because its too complex for the target audience or something?

>>85582434
Let it Go was pretty cool, but not very representative of Elsa's role/feelings in the story. She went straight back to being a nervous wreck after Anna came to visit.

>>85583755
>>85594339
>>85594372

>>85594381
I think the writers wanted to push the message to not blindly trust your "first true love at first sight" really really hard.

I'm thinking they already tried and failed to paint Elsa in a morally grey light, so they needed an outside factor that would cause Elsa to redeem herself and save her sister by admitting her love for her.

I really like that scene where Anna sees Kristoff running to save her, but then sees Elsa in mortal danger. Hans at that moment is nothing but a plot device to force Anna to choose Elsa's safety over her own.

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>>85581707
Why didn't that professor guy just use nano bots as a sort of rope to enter the teleporter and grab his daughter, and then use them to pull both of them back? You might say because the portal is too powerful or something, but the portal is capable of being stable as shown when the hat was thrown through it. That professor is super smart and has access to the facility that housed the teleporter, why didn't he just work to fix it and make it more stable and then do the nanobot rope thing?

Of course he might have just thought his daughter was dead, but most people would just try and kill the guy instead of faking their death and becoming a kabuki supervillain

So what's Disney's next film? Maybe we can guess the plot.

>>85594711
Moana is the next film, and unless the Rock's tattoos are the villain I dont know who could possibly be the surprise villain

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>>85594711

>Three thousand years ago, the greatest sailors in the world voyaged across the vast South Pacific, discovering the many islands of Oceania. But then, for a millennium, their voyages stopped — and no one today knows why. From Walt Disney Animation Studios comes Moana, a sweeping, CG-animated adventure about a spirited teenager who sails out on a daring mission to prove herself a master wayfinder and fulfill her ancestors’ unfinished quest. During her journey, she meets the once-mighty demi-god Maui (voice of Dwayne Johnson), and together, they traverse the open ocean on an action-packed voyage, encountering enormous fiery creatures and impossible odds.[

>>85594734

no twists, it's just some bitter island.

>>85594734
>>85594750
Okay already figured out the villain. It's gonna' be some fucking animal fuck that seems like a pretty cool guy, but it turns out it was a god or something and it's just trying to get rid of Maui because it doesn't Moanas people to sail the world or some shit.

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>>85594802

no wai, tudyk is done doing villains.

>>85594750
I'd rather it was about Maui with no Moana

But I hate kids, not women

>>85594836
Yup, that's the villain right there.

>>85594851

i think it's a Genie 2.0 movie.

>>85594679
I always assumed he didn't mean to fake his death, he got power he didn't know he wanted.

>>85582434
For the first time in forever deserved the academy award for best original song.

I think awards people just hate duets look at how the emmys snubed this day aria

>>85594102
And I somehow think you're tying the quality of the song to your opinion of the character. To each his own.

>>85581707

Zootopia is probably one of the best mystery movies I've seen in a long time. I NEVER saw Bellwether being the bad guy.

It was a great plot device to have her help Judy find the missing predators. Because you don't know yet in the story that Lionheart is keeping them captive, your mind can't connect the dots she's not helping Judy, she's helping HERSELF by killing three birds with one stone (showing Zootopia savage predators that are hidden from the public/implicating Lionheart/positioning Judy as a poster prey savior of the people.)

While the rest of the movies were great, Zootopia was pure genius. It deserved it's 98% rating (I'll bet my fucking paycheck those 2% didn't guess Bellwether was the villain either).

>>85582434
"Try Everything" is clearly a villain song. Just listen to the lyrics.

>>85595329
It's basically telling kids to do drugs and rob stores. Ban Gazelle

>>85581707
It's a kids movie for kids teaching them something us grownups already know. Trust nobody

>>85595528
People are going to hate me for bringing this up but, ironically Batman v. Superman has the opposite message: there are people you can trust.

>>85595302
Anon, you might be retarded. I guessed it from the first trailer.

>>85595546
People with money, power, and secrets to keep. Trust those people only

>>85595800
The Big Guys.

>>85585980

From the thumbnail I thought they edited his face too look like Pepe... my god...

>>85581707
>spoilers

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>>85592084
>>85584879
Excellent example. The bear in Toy Story 3 had a great exposition and his twist made sense. The guy in Frozen barely did anything, just had many brothers, and then bam. Villain.

>>85592084

The best thing about Pete is that he got what he always wanted in the end.

>>85592974
The best twist for Lotso wasn't him being evil, it was staying evil.
>WHERE'S YOUR KID NOW, SHERIFF?

>>85595148
It really is inexplicable that this day aria did not win any awards best duet of the year hands down.

>>85594102
The song had litereraly no flaws it could maybe have been a little better but holy shit it was one of the best villan songs ever

>>85581707
You might also count Mother Gothel though it wasn't a surprise to the audience, it WAS a surprise to the MC. And I don't think anyone could've realized just how rotten she actually was.

>>85597714
What? From the intro where she kidnaps baby Rapunzel it's pretty obvious she's rotten to the core

>>85597714
>Literally shows her being evil at the start of the movie
>Not a surprise
Just because the characters in the movie didn't know doesn't mean it's a surprise twist. A surprise twist refers to the viewer being surprised

>>85595302

>I NEVER saw Bellwether being the bad guy.

Look, I mean

Even if you were fooled for like the first half of the movie, you HAD to have seen it coming after Lionheart was arrested, if only for the fact that there was another hour of the movie left and there were only a few characters left, one of whom was less fleshed out than the others, therefore hiding something.

>>85581707
>white
>white
>white
>white
Is this what /pol/ calls being redpilled?

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>>85581707
>King Candy
>surprised twist.

It was painfully obvious it was Turbo the moment they gave that foreshadow story of his game getting unplugged. My 78 year grandma figured it out where the sound the same and "have the same old big head full of teeth"

The other thee have more merit but I say the only one that was a complete blind side was Hans and that was due to the story focusing on him alone in three scenes and not showing any hints there could be agenda. The other two you don't get single narrative moments.

>>85593751
I disagree, because namely how would Candy know that's all it would take to get unplugged? Better question, what harm would there be in her being a racer of the day? They rotate racers daily, KC and Ralph know this at that point in the film meaning that even if she did get the game with a repair tag they have a day or more to boot her off the roster and lesson learn.

Sorry, that was what ran though my mind in that scene the first time I saw it.

>>85598275
King Candy is a character from what in-universe would have been a Japanese game and the one is a fucking sheep.

>>85593906
It's not that mindboggling. These recent movies all argue that there are no genuine ideological differences between people anymore, just a handful of corrupt individuals manufacturing conflict or spoiling a perfect system. When they're identified and removed, we can all be friends again.

This is a thing they've copied from Pixar. Toy Story 2 and 3, Monsters Inc, Cars 2 and UP all did the same twist.

>>85598976
Not them but there was a little black sheep in the beginning when Gideon bullied them all and pushed Judy.

Bellwether is Jewish

>>85598183
I knew something was up at "It's a real proud day for us little guys," I didn't expect her to be so sinister though.

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>>85582244
I think it was the turn from self serving dick to world conquering asshole in the span of a minute is what did it. Candy would have been a decent antagonist if he did not just transform into the typical giant impossible to stop badguy out of nowhere.

The bugs alone could have accomplished that much without needing a special face to represent them.

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>>85584618
Even if he was just a jerk villain, it still would have worked if he just used this excuse around the other characters.

People would have gotten behind a usurper if he promised to removed the cursed winter from the kingdom that the current royal family started.

>>85598335
>and not showing any hints there could be agenda
Love is an open door was the single biggest hint. Also Kristoff's statement that Anna had just met him and thus didn't know him.

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>>85594802
>>85594750
Seems a bit more like some pro-nature, anti-civilization type of message. Where nature deities hate the onset of humanity because they fuck up the environment so humans are forced to remain on a few islands so the rest can remain wild and natural forever. Once nature badguy is defeated then humans get to spread out and settle in more places.

>>85599317
Same thing with Giothel, she could have just been an ass that only thought of herself but then she just became a total murderous over the top villain around the end. Disney writers cannot really see the difference between selfish prick and world dominating supervillain.

>>85599938
Gothel did nothing wrong. It was the monarchy that was at fault for violating the rights of citizens.

>>85581707
>nice guys are evil loosers
>rude assholes are good winners
It's a jewish conspiracy. Fucking hollywood.

>>85581707
The top 2 were pretty obvious, though.

>>85593751

What bugged me to trust in him though was that scene in the game's memory when King Candy goes to retrieve the medal to give to Ralph, and then you see Vanellope's memory card unplugged/damaged from the rest of the memory.

It showed there was something wrong about Candy and the whole thing about Vanellope being a glitch, but you couldn't say what until that reveal in the last minutes of the movie.

>>85601781
>you couldn't say what until that reveal in the last minutes of the movie.
Well yeah, one could've said that her file was there simply because she was intended to be in the game and got cut out but not completely. But if that was the case, there wouldn't have been reason to show it the way they did.

>>85599236
>jewish
>engineers a scare campaign to rake over the coals entire species in the name of progress


Jesus. Is Zootopia /redpill/?

>>85582434
The best songs of Frozen got cut. Namely "Life's Too Short" and its reprise.

>>85581707
King Candy/Turbo I think worked because he was an antagonist, just not the antagonist you thought was.

I think my biggest problem with it though is that hiding the villains and making them look unassuming also makes them less memorable and enjoyable.
Again King Candy/Turbo escapes this because he has enough screen time and activity beforehand, we just don't know exactly what he's up to till the end.

>>85591599
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C4%81ui_(mythology)

Maui is an actual hero from mythology though. If they made him a villain, they'd have to deal with people making a fuss and saying they're disrespecting the Polynesian people.

>>85598976
so
>jap
>ambigiously yuropean
>amerijap
>jewish
To answer your question:
>Paranoia is a thought process believed to be heavily influenced by anxiety or fear, often to the point of delusion and irrationality.[1] Paranoid thinking typically includes persecutory, or beliefs of conspiracy concerning a perceived threat towards oneself

>>85604501
forgot to add >>85598275 >>85602158

>>85598976
>>85604501
Turbo is from a western produced game, though. He's a gaijin disguised as a jap.

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>>85596326
Yeah, he may look horrified, but in a later "interview" he's shown to be quite happy with the stickers and the barbies.

>>85585674
>"Love is an open door... and this door is closed."
Naw, that would be shit.
At most, he should have hummed it.

>>85583772
To fucking set up suspense, you double mong.

>>85599852
So the bad guy is in the right?

I hope the pull a Kirby: Nightmare in Dreamland and make the villain actually trying to save the world this time around
>>85581813
>but the only way you could have known about TURBO is if you made a pretty good guess about the foreshadowing/role King Candy had in the movie
Not really it was one of those "abruptly brought up piece of information you know will be used later" like Nick's favorite food being blueberries in Zootopia.

>>85592084
Legitimately didn't see Pete coming.
Lotso was also a surprise but you sort of knew there had to be trouble in paradise so it was less so.

>>85581707
I like turbo, but the rest were really boring and uncreative. I just want there to be another visually interesting villain who has an awesome song and theme to them. Hans, Belle weather, and the guy from big hero six all just seemed like normal people who were boring and not very interesting. I feel like we are going to get one in Moana though because the last time we did get a straight forward villain with a song was mother gothel, and that was also a Disney princess movie.

>>85591079
Lion King is Hamlet anon, except Ophelia doesn't drown herself and instead of one queen, it's a harem. Also the setting itself showed how much worse they were from Scar killing Mufasa and ruining the balance they held for years.

>>85594216
>KEEP SINGING

>>85593755
What the fuck is with English and having every saying have a backstory behind it? And if it doesn't have a backstory chances are the common saying is incomplete.

>>85610051
English is basically the Frankenstein's monster of languages, pieced together from the body parts of other languages.

>>85610051
20/20 isn't a saying, it's a medical designation. Of course it fucking means something.

>>85593755
What they're going for is 20/10, I think.

>>85594275

> since Let It Go was sung so well, they felt the need to place the irredeemable blame on some other character

This is one of the reasons I dislike Frozen on principle. The entire reason the movie is the way it is is because the creators bought the original villain's motive song hook, line, and sinker. It is a film defined by its own pity.

>>85614245
When you put it like that maybe it was the right choice for best original song.

>>85609774
also there isnt just one guy that lives

The thing that I liked about the king candy/turbo twist was how, after felix laid out the story for turbo (or maybe even beforehand, i don't quite recall) king candy used the phrase going turbo while talking to ralph. That combined with him giving ralph the medal and explaining how the cabinet might get unplugged made me completely stop suspecting him as the villain. He was still a douche to ralph, but he had an excellent motive. Seeing vanellope on the game cabinet was probably the best part of the movie, and the turbo reveal was just icing on the cake

>>85595302
I was spoiled on the twist well before seeing the movie, but I have to say if I had seen it blind I would have been immensely disappointed.

It's one thing to make the villain someone the audience wouldn't suspect, it's another thing to make that person an actually good villain. My reaction to Bellweather's revelation would've been, "Oh, that's it? Meh."

One glaring thing sticks out about it for me, the fact that she's all about uniting the prey against the predators, yet throughout the film the only prejudice is against the predators anyway. There were no instances in Zootopia of predators abusing prey except for Lionheart and and that was just typical abusive boss stuff.

Even so, she was the second highest office in the entire city. What need did she have to unite anyone against anything if she could get that high up the corporate ladder? Even Judy proved there was no species barrier in the police force, the chief was a non-predator, it was just that she was physically tiny.

So she just came off as a really pointless villain, worse, a self-made victim with an imaginary crusade, and the movie was entirely too proud of itself for being "clever" with it's twist.

>>85618899
>she could get that high up the corporate ladder
Bellwether was only appointed assistant mayor so Lionheart could get the sheep vote, then he stuck her in a boiler room do do all of his work for none of the credit. As long as he was around, she had no power at all.

>Judy proved there was no species barrier in the police force
Judy only got into the police force at all because she was at the top of her class, and it's likely Bellwether convinced Lionheart to put her there because it was good PR. Then she just got stuck on meter maid duty, with the implication Bongo was just going to keep her there and never take her seriously.

Bongo may have been chief, but nobody had any problem with putting a big beefy wildebeast or elephant into the police force. The movie established that there was a lot of prejudiced against more specific species than just under the two umbrellas of predator and prey. For example: everybody trusted Lionheart the lion enough to be a good leader, but nobody ever trusted Nick with shit because he was a fox. Judy and Bellwether got shit on less because they were prey animals and more because they were a bunny and a sheep respectively. And that was what Bellwether had a problem with.

>>85611825
ANd yet it is the most common and learned language in the world (not the most spoken, that would be Mandarin because the Chinese literally WANT their continent to sink under the weight of their population.)

>>85599317
That's a fair point, but I feel him becoming a giant monster was perfect because it was a video game movie. He literally became a giant monstrous final boss for the hero to fight, and it was appropriate for the stylistic theme.

>>85601781

There's other hints too.
King Candy is the only one in Sugar Rush, a newly installed game, who knows who Ralph is and Candy mentions Turbo at one point ("You're not going Turbo on us, are you?") who, again, is someone he shouldn't know anything about.

>>85595302
>>85618899
>>85619166

Exactly. This is another reason I love the movie. I can understand why the villain is the villain. I fucking hate the tired old cliche of "I want more power just because". Bellwether have legit reasons for wanting the change she tried to implement.

What makes her wrong is how she goes about it. Even if she succeeded, the collateral damage would far outweigh the benefits. We see this in real life all the time because, historically, this is exactly what people have been doing to minorities from the beginning. And all it's caused is a never-ending cycle of bullshit that will never end.

Honestly, Bellwether said it best. "Fear ALWAYS works." Truer words have never been spoken.

>>85583443
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXQkXXBqj_U

>no villain song
>four+ films in a row
Why do they keep doing this? Muh grey morality?

>>85594679
He thought she was dead.

>>85623726
There is nothing grey about these new Disney villains. Pretending to be nice is not 'grey'.

>>85591234
Wait, there's a comic coming out?

>>85623726
Well, three of the four had no songs at all. And you could argue Love Is An Open Door is half of a villain song.

>>85623726
No villain song at all is better than shit like

>THEY'RE NOT LIKE YOU AND ME
>WHICH MEANS THEY MUST BE EVIL

>>85581707
The King was always a dick though

>>85624460
>thinking pocahontas wasn't gloriously campy

Also I don't see how that line is any worse than

>WE DON'T LIKE
>WHAT WE DON'T UNDERSTAND
>IN FACT IT SCARES US
>AND THIS MONSTER IS MYSTERIOUS AT LEAST

>>85624519
Sometimes you gotta be blunt. Subtlety is not a virtue in storytelling, in fact it's somewhat pretentious, like you're trying to hide the point you're making because it's more 'artistic' that way.

>>85624519
Not Howard Ashman's best work, but to be fair he was dying of AIDS at the time.

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>>85624309

two actually. we're desperate for it,and then comic book series announced at SDCC.

>>85622970
Hero's duty was the new game
There's no indication given as to how long sugar rush has been in the arcade

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>>85624460
>dissing Savages

>>85626081
Aren't those two just going to be illustrated versions of the film?

>>85626788

why were they postponed by like 4 months?
is there some plan to it?

>>85584982
It would be clever only if there's a true decoy villain that's still a threat outside of Bellwether.

Well, at least Moana will have a proper villain

>>85588007
But he didn't want to destroy the world he wanted to break the laws of physics and elevate us to a higher level.

>>85624460

Bite your tongue, nigger, Savages was the best fucking song of the movie.

>>85614245
>creators bought the original villain's motive song hook, line, and sinker

You mean like how /co/ continues to fall for Han's nice guy act? Despite the fact he himself said he was lying and the whole thing was bullshit?

I swear, Hans could set a pile of babies on fire and /co/ would still say he was the REAL hero of the film.

>>85583611
>That pic
Rouke was intentionally exploitative and didn't give a shit about anyone but himself
Quaritch's main goal wasn't even his companies interests but protecting his men and actually cared about the people under his command.
Quaritch is a far better person.

>>85630020
Those babies were likely Satan's children.

>>85587022
There's that random SU whining every thread has.

>>85595302
Dude.

It's fucking Training Day (add bits of G.I. Jane and The G-Men) with fluffy animals.

>>85595528
That and politicians always do the wrong thing.

>>85583611
>Roarke and Quaritch

I now want an Atlantis/Avatar crossover just for this.

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>>85583894
>flamboyant spiritual creature
>setting with island volcano
Get hype

>>85630900
AWAKEN, MY MASTERS

>>85594750
>Maui voiced by Dwayne "the Rock" Johnson
IF YOU SMEEELLLLLL
WHAT THE ROCK IS COOKIN

>>85587326
What's this?

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>>85630900
>>85631000
>00 and 000
He's become a god!

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>>85581707
Sometimes they do it right.

>>85631407
They couldn't really make the twist a surprise when they were adapting a well-known hundred-year old book, so they could characterise the character more without worrying about making a big reveal.

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>>85631098

he's going to be great!

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>>85603735
I'd be fine if they went with a villain who was an unstoppable force of nature. It'd be a nice change of pace for Disney.
>>85607394

In an ideal world it'd be a cross between Grandmother Willow from Pocahontas and pic related maybe since we're talking about fantasy Polynesia