Is this the best page in comic books history, /co/? I can't

>>85567368
Sure. Whatever.

>>85567368

No, it's pretty stupid.

>>85567368

Shitty book made readable by based Bermejo.

>>85567425

Why? Tell me why?

>>85567441

He's the worst part about Joker and Lex Luthor: Man of Steel.

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Is Azerello a Batman hack?
>This book
>Killing Joke
>DKR3 is okay, surpassed by Last Crusade

>>85567506

Wait, what does he have to do with DKR3, Killing Joke and Last Crusade?

>>85567368
Pfft. That page ain't so great.

>people not liking Joker

How is it to have such a shit taste lingering around your mouth all the time?

>>85567549
he cowrote dk3 with miller

>>85567504
>He's the worst part about Joker and Lex Luthor: Man of Steel.
Fucking wow.

>>85567504

>Tell me why?

It's meant to be this powerful one-liner moment where Batman says something really poignant or insightful, but in actuality what he says doesn't mean much of anything. So he's leaving part of his face visible to mock the Joker by showing how his face isn't scarred or deformed? Like how good your face looks somehow corresponds to how good of a person you are?

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>>85567368

>>85567607

Give me a better one, then.

>>85567673

He was playing mind games with the Joker. It's obviously not the real reason why.

>>85567673

Maybe it has something more to do with facial expression, like he allows his lower face to be seen so that he can be observed to be smiling?

>>85567702

>He was playing mind games with the Joker.

And how did that work out for him? Really helped save that hostage, huh?

>>85567504
>He's the worst part about Joker and Lex Luthor: Man of Steel.
Jesus Christ dude kill yourself.

>>85567720
The Batman in the Joker GN doesn't give a rat's ass about thugs like Johnny. I mean he throws Harley Quinn out of a fucking window.

>>85567673
You're not even supposed to be sure if Batman says anything at all, maybe Joker just imagined and went apeshit.
If he said it, obviously he doesn't mean that's actually the reason why he shows his mouth.

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>>85567682

I'm not the anon you're asking that, but here's one example of a Batman page I think is a lot more interesting. In a very short amount of frames / dialogue it gets you thinking about how crazy paranoid and well prepared Bruce is on a constant basis, to the point where he apparently:

A) Never blinks
B) Actually notices each time someone else around him blinks
C) Habitually switches drinks whenever he notices someone he's drinking with blinking as a precaution against being poisoned

>>85567720
>hostage

Fuck Johnny. Hardly a hostage since he spent 90% of the comic sucking on Joker's dick.

The other 10% was his wife sucking Joker's dick so yeah. Johnny a cuck.

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Not even close.

>>85567368
I know I can't draw better, but the blood on the Joker's face in the first panel looks awful

>>85567736
>>85567671

Pretentious art that has absolutely no sense of pacing or movement in each panel.

That page from all star superman is the best page in comic book history. The fact that you know it without me posting it proves it.

>>85567894
How can a fucking drawing be "pretentious"? Do you even know what that word means, son?

>>85567894
>calling art pretentious
Come on, anon. That's just silly.

>>85567895
I actually don't know which one you're talking about. The origin page? The riddle page? The suicide page? The real-life Superman page? The big kiss page? The Superman-in-the-Sun page? The last page?

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>>85567682
>>85567793

And here's a high quality non-Batman page.

>>85567894
>Pretentious
I don't think you know what the word means

You're right about his awful storyelling though

>>85567895
>>85567947

Me either desu. I hate guessing games.

>>85567947
Suicide page, of course. It's the page with most FEELS.

>>85567894
Fucking lol.
"Pretentious art"
Holy fucking cocks, you are a whole new level of retard.

>>85567947
the suicide page, it feels even more powerful in the wake of Zack Snyders grim dark take on the character.

>>85567953
words words words

>>85567993
Go away, /tv/, we're talking about comics here

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This page IS superman, it condenses everything WB failed to do in 2 films into a single page.

>>85568002

The trick is to read those words and understand what they mean. Words aren't inherently bad.

>>85568041
A good comic book page is a showcase of both writing and art. If one takes over the other, it's not a good page.

>>85567925
I guess that means Anon thinks they're trying to pull off something that there's no need for: excessive attempts to impress with their talent = pretentious.

>>85567953
I dont know what this is but i get the feeling Grant Morrison wrote it.

Sauce?

>>85567793

>can switch drinks in the blink of an eye

That's Mary Sue Batman, though. Page invalidated. Joker by Azzarello's Batman is much better, since he can't cheat and rescue the hostage.

>>85568061

There's still a lot of visual art there too. You see the former comic book superhero bandaged up and stuck in a wheelchair overlooking an enormous comic book floor and also get to see the interplay between the reality he's in and the fantasy world he came from that he's now having to look down on.

>>85567947
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>>85567895

The real-life Superman page gets me crying like a small girl every single time. Why is it so beautiful, bros?

>>85568040
>This page IS Superman at the very end of his career before he flies off into the heart of the sun to re-emerge a Golden God 1 million years in the future.
>WB can't get it right.

>>85568094

It's The Filth and you're right, it is Grant Morrison.

>>85568098

>Joker by Azzarello's Batman is much better, since he can't cheat and rescue the hostage.

Batman's supposed to be skilled to the point of borderline impossibility though. That's the point of his character, he's always cheating.

I liked Luthor but I don't give 2 shits about joker as a character is this worth reading?

>>85568151
>Batman's supposed to be skilled to the point of borderline impossibility though. That's the point of his character, he's always cheating.

That's what you were conditioned to believe in. He doesn't have to be a Mary Sue to be Batman. For instance, Batman Begins and TDK's Batman wasn't a Mary Sue and was still the same character we know and love. TDKR Batman was a Mary Sue, though.

>>85568196

Absolutely. Reminds you of why Joker is a good Batman villain.

>>85567894

It's like I'm really back in 2009.

>>85567368

The better one is the Superman version of this in Lex Luthor: Man of Steel.

Which you'd understand, if you were actually a Superman fan.

>>85568129
I don't know what point you're trying to make.

This page works with or without any of that context

>>85568770

Was that the one about Lex's soul?

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>>85567368
No.

>>85568098
>That's """"""Mary Sue"""""" Batman, though.

Fixed

>>85567403
best response

>>85568129
He's not talking about the story dipshit, that singular page sums up everything wrong with Snyder's superman

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>>85567368
I like this sequence

>>85568040
Part of me always wanted someone to edit this so Supes pushes her in the last panel. As a goof I mean.

>>85569614
Sauce?

>>85571060
Incorruptible, last page.

>>85568040
WB aren't trying to do this.

>>85569655

Jesus have you read any other Superman book besides ASS? There's nothing specific in the page that screams Superman, any other Superhero could do this. What makes it soo good is the context. Supes is fucking dying and is using his lasts moments to save as many people as he can, and his takes this moment to tell someone that they are important and that everything will be okay.
The I can save everyone and sun page are better.

>>85571407
>The I can save everyone and sun page are better.

not the guy you replied to but i disagree, saving everyone is just superman being super, anyone with a good enough power set can do that, saving regen was personal, an act that any human could preform, it shows that even though he is superman, its the man part, not the super part thats most important.

>>85571305
and thats why its shit, even casuals dont want grim and gritty interpretations of a character like superman, viewers want to be lifted up not dragged down.

>>85571439
For me the page shows the man in Superman, he has the problem all humans face eventually, the death of a loved one. And despite being a superhero there's nothing he could do to stop the death of his father.

In contrast with the last page, that shows Superman doing only he could do, save humanity after death and embracing his role as a 'sun god'.

>>85571439
>it shows that even though he is superman, its the man part, not the super part thats most important.
"It's not about what we've been given in this life, it's about how we use it to make the world a better place".

Even as his powers decayed and he himself shed his immortality he continued to save people. Not just save, he kicked it up to a new level, even for him.

>>85571069
Surely it was Irredeemable, the main comic in that universe? I don't recall Incorruptible showing that particular bit.

>>85567549
He wrote DKIII and TLC based on Miller cliff notes and did the cript for the animated TKJ movie.

>>85571532
Whichever had Plutonian for protagonist and not Max Damage. I always mix up names of those two books.

>>85568906

Indeed it was.

>>85571556
Yeah, Plutonian is Irredeemable. The easy way to remember is that Irredeemable is about the Plutionian giving up and just losing his shit, becoming "Irredeemable." While Max Damage realizes someone has to step up as a hero and lives his life by a set of ridiculously heroic guidelines, trying to be "Incorruptible." It's not perfect, but basically, good guy going bad has the "bad" title, bad guy going good has the "good" title.

>>85567368
It's a pretty damn good page.

I'm partial to the butlering myself.

>>85567953
>last panel
co on the weekends

>>85571627
And I always switch it, with Max Damage fighting against stigma of being criminal, and thus Irredeemable. I like Max's book little more.
Not matter, you pointed out my error.

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>>85571006
I always imagine her just hanging around on the roof and supes startles her into jumping. Jackass.

>>85567368
What is he actually talking about? Face?

>>85573915
Yes, this Joker has a glasgow smile and he's jealous of Batman's perfect chin.

>>85568970
Yes, this one is much better than OP's.

>>85573859

>dat gritty filter

My fucking sides, you did it anon.

>>85567953
shit that font

>>85569614
Does /co/ like this ending? I feel like I'm in a minuscule minority in loving that page

>>85569614
why do they look 5 years old

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>>85567368
There are a lot of really cool ones though.

>>85567673
I agree, well said that man.

>>85567894
How is it pretentious?

>>85567918
>how can a drawing be pretentious?

How can art be pretentious? Come on now. Art can be pretentious but I don't see how Bermejo's is.

>>85575641
Azzarello thinks Batman's way is a completely ineffective method of fighting crime, it's supposed to be a jerk-ass statement that only escalates the conflict. Frost's internal monologue on the last two pages spells it out.

>>85575695
I thought Frost's monologue was that there's no cure for the Joker, but there is a Batman?

Which implies that even if he can't "fix" the problem of people like the Joker, at least Batman contains the damage.

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>>85575797
He's in the process of killing himself because of the painful, possibly fatal facial wound he got as a result of Batman's failed negotiation tactics, this isn't much of a controlled situation.

>>85575545

Eh. I always found it kind of insulting that Waid would so blatantly create a Superman expy and then retroactively have that character be the inspiration for Superman.

It feels like someone creating an OC Donut Steel and making them a relative of the main character, only more awesomer.

I liked Irredeemable quite well until about the halfway point where Hornet's secret is revealed. After that, it felt like Waid started pulling stuff out of his ass to make the narrative work, like giving characters new superpowers and promoting major story events (Plutonian vs. Max Damage) that didn't really go anywhere.

>>85575657

>Hyper realistic drawing of superheroes and villains
>not pretentious

Pick 1.

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>>85567368

>>85567793
B-but Batman doesn't kill!

On the other hand it is kind of too much for him to switch drinks in the blink of an eye. Maybe he could have faked yawning and switched the drinks when the other guy yawns instead.

>>85577049
What is Batman wearing? Why is that man in the bottom right so disgusted? Is Hal so poor he has to temp as a waiter?

>>85577222
End of kingdom come. They are all old, batman is wearing an exoskeleton to support his aged and wrecked body from being batman (also the bottom chin part is totally from a darth Vader costume, which always bothered me) he's meeting with supes and wondy after a cataclysmic battle, the restaurant is superhero themed so all the waitstaff wear costumes. That guy in the background is just a dick probably

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>>85577222
Kingdom Come takes place in the future.
Years of crime-fighting and physical wear have made it to where Bruce needs a power-suit to remain mobile.
That's a Green Lantern impersonator at the superhero-themed "Planet Krypton."
Because men hugging is disgusting of course.

>>85577161
That guy was only temporarily paralyzed. Go read the book, it's great.

>>85577346
>(also the bottom chin part is totally from a darth Vader costume, which always bothered me)
I knew I wasn't the only one. I kept imagining Batman imitating Vader's breathing for keks.

>>85577412
Wanna bet Booster never paid heroes for using their name?

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>>85577222
How do you not know what Kingdom Come is?

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>>85567368
It's not even the best page from Batman.

>>85577662
BatJoker shipper pls go.

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>>85567793
>>85577161
Honestly, The Princess Bride did it better.

>>85577560
Heh. Probably not. Hal Jordan was still canon dead at the time and everyone else would have had to reveal there secret identity to file suit.

>>85577690
>there
Shit.
*their

>>85577481
Someday I will. Just spoil this little part for me though, how does Batman prevent the death? Does he use an antidote? The guy said paralysis then death.

>>85577680
That's not the point, dum-dum.
I can't find the full page tho.

>>85577720

Is that from Infinite Crisis?

>>85577222
>Why is that man in the bottom right so disgusted?
Because he thinks they're fags. He's not wrong

>>85577935
Yeah, few pages before SBP broke free.

>>85567368
When did Batman have a crossover with Crossed?

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>>85577680
don't be dense

>Edgy elseworld with tracer art is the best page in comics history
>only other examples posted are capeshit
Oh, /co/.

>>85578069
>tracer art
I don't think that means what you think it does.

>>85578115
I know what it means. Azzarello largely draws from Google Images. It's more noticeable in his Roschach work.

>>85577720
Oh shit, what's this story? This looks like an awesome spin on the "justice league goes to evil alternate universe and fights their doppelgangers" theme.

>>85578147
How do you not know what Infinite Crisis is?

>>85577787
Yeah, Batman had the antidote on him.

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>>85578140
You mean Bermejo, but this book doesn't use Poser or lightboxing, these are actual pencils.

>>85578140
>Azzarello largely draws
>Azzarello
>largely
>draws
Yep, you have no idea of what you're talking about.

>>85569360
Did Spidey just no-sell Hulk?

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>>85567368
Not even close.

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>>85578220
Not at all. Dude in question can mimic powers, but he doesn't actually have them. Like, he imitates Human Torch, but he can't set you on flame, you only think you're burning.

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>>85567682

It's pretty unremarkable. I can find a lot of better pages than that, like the Goon's mirror sequence in Chinatown.

Or any page out of Hellboy, just because of how damn nice Mike Mignola's art style is.

I also really like this one. The Japs always keep the surprises coming, and his shit-eating grin is the icing on the cake

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>>85567368

>>85578604
Ahhh, all is made clear. Thankee.

>>85578835
It's great to post out of context, because who the fuck knows what that is.

>>85567673

Missing the point much? The line is to see how mentally superior Batman is.

The Joker was doing a lot of really really fucked up shit in that comic like if it was nothing and yet Batman makes him lose his shit with a line that says '' Not impressed, you are as lame as a circus clown, you are nothing but something to laugh at!''

And the Joker losing his shit about it was great!

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Hellblazer #50 is still my favorite single issue story in all of comics.

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>>85579051
Vampires irrevocably BTFO

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>>85578051

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I hadn't even remembered that line, OP. There's a much better one earlier in the same book.

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>>85580120
end. this is such a great take on 'sane joker'. just a nice explanation of a 'psychopathic-affective' personality.

>>85569382
Do you have any idea how fast he'd have to be to start and finish the needed movements to switch the cups in a literal blink of an eye? No human is that fast. He'd have to be at the very least Superman fast.

>>85580165

OP here, those 4 pages were amazing indeed. This book gets better the more I remember it.

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>>85567368
I prefer my classic nostalgia. Being nostalgic of 90's Spider-Man is a terrible terrible thing.

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I always thought this was pretty much the best page in comic books history.

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>>85569614
>>85575545

I haven't read that story, but that page as an ending feels a little too close to this one for my liking.

>>85573561
I do to, honestly. Irredeemable is fine, I like it, but it's all a bit much. I don't disagree with the "being carted off to the alien prison" thing, but it does rather muck up some of the tone, I guess.

Incorruptible manages a nice, rather even tone and is a bit more uplifiting of a story as a counterpoint to Irredeemable being about how terrible everyone can be, deep down.

>>85580783

Kills me every single time. I can't control the tears when I get to that page.

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My vote goes to a full page spread of Jet Jaguar taking down big G in one punch.