When did you realize that Batman only really works as a character

>>85552868
Sorry but Keaton is the true billionaire ubermensch, Bale is a piece of shit who doesnt want to cross the line. And when he crosses it, he excuses himself with childish excuses. Baleman is hypocritical and irresponsible .

Keaton just kills the degenerate fuckers and the GCPD loves him for it.

Hi /pol/

>>85553163
Not even a /pol/ thing, all the best interpretations of Batman have him as a character rooted in a right wing authoritarian ideology, especially the Dark Knight Returns. Bruce Wayne is a very traditional man. Even Adam West Batman is like this.

>>85552868
Never because I'm not a moviefag casual

Cape stories are about a single person being superior to all of society. Of course it's a fascist's wet dream

>>85553269
Depends on what you referring to. The classical right wing like FDR that wanted to help the poor or the nu-male right wing of today that hates everyone and is bloated by greed and stupidity.

>>85552868
>When did you realize that all superheroes only really work as characters when they are portrayed unironically as right wing authoritarian strongmen and social conservatives?

ftfy

>>85553039
I won't deny that Keaton also put out a good interpretation, and his willingness to kill degenerates reflects well on his ubermensch identity. I wasn't even trying to compare the two honestly, because they both work well to me, as they're both about Batman defending the form and order of Gothams societal structures against the subversive deconstruction of nihilistic forces.

wrong faggot

batman is a mentally ill person who cares about other mentally ill people, and uses the no-kill rule to keep his identity intact

the pseudo-intellectual Nolan twisted him into the "Establishment Belligerent," and you foolishly accepted it, not understanding the character or its history

>>85552868
Frank, aren't you supposed to be resting after your latest Chemo treatment? What are you doing on a Japanese Whale Hunting Enthusiast forum?

>>85553326
I honestly agree with this fix. The very concept of the superhero almost requires the writer to have some kind of authoritarian ideology in order to portray properly, otherwise the story just becomes a criticism of the concept, ultimately just expressing the opinion that superheroes are unjust

>>85553317
I'm obviously talking about traditional mid twentieth century aristocratic right wing ideology

>>85553385
What about the character do you think I'm not understanding? I'm asking out of genuine curiosity about your thoughts, as I think this is an interesting subject

>>85553540
you're characterizing a known quantity as being a subset of some arbitrary classification

in other words, you're reducing a 'thing' to 'a description of a thing' which is intellectual fluff, the activity of people who don't actually know anything

batman is not a political statement, he is escapsim, in the form of a sick person who also happens to be good at frightening people, ninjitsu, and searching for clues

if you choose to politicize this escapism as Nolan did, then at least have the respect to politicize it accurately, with batman as a pure anarchist

notice that nolan made joker into the anarchist, because nolan wished to destroy what batman really was, a genuinely caring but deeply flawed (fictional) person

>>85553651
Superheroes inherently deal with concepts of morality, our institutions of law and order and the spiritual health within society. Batman is intrinsically linked to ideological interpretation. He is himself an institution of authority in Gotham.

I'm also curious where you're getting this anachist interpretation of his character, when he has always been firmly aligned with the ordered hierarchy of authority

>>85553402
Do you disagree with this interpretation of Batman?

>>85553269
>even Adam West Batman is like this.

Uh.. no. Adam West Batman was practically socialist in some his episodes. Well before Unsafe at Any Speed, West's Batman was talking up the virtues of seat belts, and one episode involved him giving a lot of money to a government project for kids.

Did you even watch that show?

>>85553269
>Dark Knight Returns
You mean the one where Ronald Reagan was the bad guy?

>>85553402
>Japanese Whale Hunting Enthusiast forum
>Japanese
The meme has come full circle

Well, I like Daredevil more because he's more tortured. Batman comes off as someone who just represses things or channels it, though having thee bat family helps ground him.

The other reason DD is better is because he does it without all the tech. Daredevil is almost like a regular guy, especially when Miller writes him, but Batman comes off as OP a lot.

Also, the no kill rule is dumb. I guess if this were all real I'd be on the Punisher's side.

>>85553317

>Nu-male
>Right-Wing

Well if you mean cuckservatives like Jeb Bush maybe. But even Hillary Clinton is only like an inch Left of him.

More like the Alt-Right today that hates SJW.

Though maybe Batman focuses less on race, but he can also be very traditional in an Eastern sense.

>>85553317
>FDR
>Right wing

You're talking shit.

>>85552868
>The man who hates guns is rightwing
Sure

>>85552868
>Literally gives money to the establishment left and right to help improve these streets
>Makes it very apparent he believes in the jail system

But
>Takes it upon his private sector company to put people back to work
>Gets results by taking things into his own hands

If there were a 3x3 alignment chart for politics Bruce would be chaotic neutral

>>85553385
If that is the wrong faggot then who is the right faggot?

>>85553385
>not understanding the character or its history

The whole"Batman is really crazy you guys" thing strikes me more as a thing from the past 30 years or so than an integral part of the character. That's just something Miller drove in. O'Neil might've thought the character was strange, but not downright mentally ill. And Kane and his crew certainly didn't intend that.

>>85553317
>right wing like FDR
>this is what modern day liberals actually believe

>>85554828

Is Trump the hero America deserves or the hero America needs?

>>85553317
literally what is this post

correct the record?

>>85553039
>>85553370
Who is Keaton ?

>>85554828
Bruce is just an old-fashioned philanthropist who actually believes the wealthy have a duty to help improve society. There were a lot of them during the late 19th and early 20th Centuries. But he does actually believe in a coherent and respectful society, as opposed to today's philanthropists like Soros who are more interested in funding retarded and divisive identity politics that tear society apart instead of making it stronger. Apparently that makes him "right-wing".

>>85555452

>Calling out the Jew

Good man.

>>85554944
I think it's an interesting aspect of the character, but it's played up too much. Any man in his position in society who wields elite power will have a touch of madness about him, but it should only be a touch. I like the O'Neil perspective that he is just a strange man, not deeply insane

not to throw fuel on the troll here, but batman's political position is batman. pragmatic, practical, unconcerned mostly with the opinion of others but with positive results, and above helping people while not curtailing freedom. this message for the committee for batman for president.

>>85552868
My favorite version of Batman is Grant Morrison's, so, never.
I also think Bruce has seen way too much on his travels across the world to be a social conservative. I mean, he literally dresses in all black to chase hot, whip-wielding babes in latex/spandex across rooftops. I don't think you can be Batman and not be open-minded.

>>85554406

Too far to the left for Miller's Batman.

>>85555064
Noand No

>>85554406
There isn't just one "right-wing". Reagan presided over an age where greed and selfishness was good and fuck the dregs of society and in fact, everyone else as long as you're okay. Bruce doesn't believe that, but believing in contributing to and having a functioning society where people look out for each other doesn't make you "left-wing". There are plenty of traditional conservatives who believe in that. Reagan and his administration were really more libertarian than conservative.

>>85553269
>especially the Dark Knight Returns.

Batman was fully against any authoritarian ideology in DKR. The government considers him to so much of a threat they send in Soups to reel him in.

>>85553039
Batman not killing has always been a silly idea. It's a contrivance to make the character kiddie friendly and keep his rogues available for future stories, but naive fanboys will insist it's some real moral statement.

>>85555856
What makes the sexual dynamic between Batman and Catwoman work so well is his resistance to her temptations, and her desire to break through Batman's reserved stoicism and make him feel a sexual and emotional passion that he otherwise rejects in his life.

>>85553326
>>85553453
t. shallow observation

>>85552868
Fuck outta here you conswrvative retard.

>>85556157
Thiz isn't true at all. He's against corrupt authority, not authority in general. His conflict with Superman was rooted in his belief that Superman should use his power to impose authority upon the world and prevent the nuclear war looming in the future, rather than acting at the behest of a lesser authority

>>85556307
It depends on what you read. In some cases, he very well gives into the tempation. And even if it's an endless chase, you could say that he consciously plays that part against hers, which makes them equally kinky.
It's true that this is only one reading, though. He can also be the steadfast hardass who's tempted by her.

>>85555156
In the comics he replaced Bruce for a while. He was known for actually killing bad guys, which mafe the Justicw League realise they had to stop him. He was later retconned.

>social conservative
In a law enforcement context maybe.

>>85556363
>acting at the behest of a lesser(society's) authority
In most interpretations of Batman I'd say that's one of his core principles. The biggest reason he does not kill is because he thinks only the justice system should have that sort of power. He's careful to balance his vigilantism vs his respect for democratically elected authority.

>>85555801

Would Batman like Singapore?

>>85554750
>>85555007
The dude literally manipluted the country into participating in the greatest war in the history of mankind so our country could become a world superpower.

What's left-wing about that?

>>85555559
>the Jew

The guy worked for the fucking Nazis. He's not one of us anymore.

>>85560252
You seem to be looking at FDR's presidency from a very cynical perspective and from a modern viewpoint. The world was a very different place, FDR was a progressive and a reformer in his time - I'm not going to spoonfeed you, read up on the New Deal.

Engaging in global conflicts has never been the preserve of the left or the right. Almost every US President of the last hundred years has involved the country in foreign wars to some extent. FDR faced massive opposition to even getting involved from isolationists, but he supported Britain because he believed in freedom and democracy rather than totalitarianism and oppression. No-one had any way of knowing which way the war would go or what the consequences would be, the idea he did it "to make the US a world superpower" is either cynicism or downright conspiracy theory.

>>85553163
>read the latest Captain America
>have the audacity to call out /pol/
/co/ *is* /pol/
some comics are just literally propaganda

>>85554944
Miller doesn't believe Batman is crazy, though. He thinks exactly the opposite. He wouldn't be effectual if he was crazy.

>>85552868
when did you realize you were full of crap and thought you made a clever post

>>85552868

that's why he has to "die" in DKR and let the new generation take over

>>85560931
No, he's just using "right-wing" as synonym for "authoritarian." FDR was a progressive leftist, he was also authoritarian as hell.